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“Malvinas Hall” in Comodoro Rivadavia recalls Air Force strikes command against UK Task Force
The room in Comodoro Rivadavia from where the Argentine Air Force command operated its attacks on the Falkland Islands during the 1982 conflict has been renamed 'Malvinas Hall', and has been declared part of the city's heritage, a place where students and visitors can recall “the ever present Argentine claim over the Malvinas Islands, and the heroism of its pilots”. Read full article
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Oct 06th, 2015 - 09:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Malvinas cause ....eh, news just in YOU LOST !
Oct 06th, 2015 - 09:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0With all the displays showing the links that had been forced upon us prior to 2nd April 1982 it sounds like an amusing historical room:
Oct 06th, 2015 - 09:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Look Argentines- If we had not been such total arseholes by militarily invading the Islands in 1982 - by now all this would have quietly become ours.
Instead we were the arseholes and now it never ever will be ours!”
We are lead to believe that Argentina regrets its invasion of 1982. They seem to celebrate it an awful lot for something they regret so much.
Oct 06th, 2015 - 10:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0What a load of nationalist crap,
Oct 06th, 2015 - 11:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0the desperate leading the blind.
I am all for keeping those places well preserved, so new generations can learn and experience where history took place. I think it is also great to pay honor to those who fought and offered their lives ... regardless of how unnecessary that war was. Nevertheless, veterans deserve recognition.
Oct 06th, 2015 - 11:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0HOWEVER, there is a huge difference between preserving history and trying to keep the wrongful claims that lead to that history still alive. Our kids should visit that place to learn from history, not to keep that senseless idea going on.
Can you imagine a guided tour around the German Reichstag, which ends up with a cute `Stadtführerin´ still saying “Austria belongs to Germany”? pretty crazy, right? As crazy as Argentina claiming “malvinas argentinas” +30 years after a lost war over those Islands. And spare me if my example is pretty extreme, but I am trying to make my point as clear as I can.
Islander @ 3 is absolutely right. It was wrong. It was idiotic. It should not have happened. Just like when you screw things with your SO, there´s no turning back, only moving on.
I do not know how to make it even more clear.
“While I'm speaking Spanish, let me clarify something for president Cristina Fernandez Kirchner of Argentina - whatever the (new) Labour leader says, this Conservative government will never sell out the Falkland Islanders”, said Hammond who recalled how the Falkland Islanders voted unanimously (99.8% on a turnout of more than 90%) to remain British in a recent referendum.
Oct 06th, 2015 - 12:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”The bullying and harassment to which the Islanders continue to be subjected is shameful - it's counter-productive, it's wrong and it must stop. The Falkland Islanders have every right to develop their economy”.
Thanks Philip.
Its all very good celebrating and promoting an illegal occupation, but Argentina YOU LOST!
Oct 06th, 2015 - 12:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Humiliating! how many photos can you display showing surrendering cowards before boredom sets in.
:D .....oh and by the way argentina did i mention you were DEFEATED!
Don't these Argentines just go on & on………just leave it, they are not your lslands.
Oct 06th, 2015 - 12:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Only the Argies could celebrate a defeat by dedicating a monument to their stupidity. Perhaps FIGO would like to send a notarised copy of the 1982 Document of Surrender to add to their display?
Oct 06th, 2015 - 12:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I remember having a conversation with an Argentine friend about the country's annual celebration of the start of the Falklands War. I pointed out how ridiculous it was as they had lost and wondered if they chanted “We lost” and “We are losers”. Instead it should be a commemoration of the soldiers that had fought and those that had lost their lives. But she would not accept it should be anything less than a celebration.
Oct 06th, 2015 - 01:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So, there you have a prime example of nationalist brainwashing. Though in her defence she has moved from being a CFK supporter to loathing the K's. I guess there is hope.
It beggars belief. It simply beggars belief.
Oct 06th, 2015 - 01:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Malvinas Hall… . Bahahaha… Losers… Bahahaha...
Oct 06th, 2015 - 01:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0At 1:
Oct 06th, 2015 - 01:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0'D' All of the above.
6- I would agree in that all fair and respectfull to remember those who fell in combat - regardless of which side.
Oct 06th, 2015 - 01:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina refuses to take their case to the ICJ and seem to think the islands I'll fall to them on the wind of bombastic bullshit.sooner or later they will thrash themselves into a patriotic slather and try invading again. If they do the FIG and UK governments that all bets are off and retaliation will be taken openly against specific targets on the mainland
Oct 06th, 2015 - 03:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Once again celebrating the military dictatorship and Galtieri - why am I not surprised?
Oct 06th, 2015 - 03:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What about celebrating the sinking of the ARA Belgrano?
that would be equally disgusting.
@10
Oct 06th, 2015 - 04:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What a wonderfull idea, does anyone know where on the internet one might find said article? Absolutely brilliant.
@16 redpoll
Oct 06th, 2015 - 04:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You're not wrong there.
Should Argentina be stupid enough to try invading the Falklands a second time, nothing the USA says will stop us from bombing the crap out of any Argentine military installation that is considered a threat.
We listened to the Yanks last time, and it cost us the lives of sailor and soldiers, and the loss of numerous ships. All because the Yanks didn't want to risk the USSR getting a foothold in South America, and were worried that a UK attack on Argentina might open the flood gates.
Well, the UK shouldn't have listened to the USA then, but there is no way we'd balk at bombing Argentina in future, should they try for round 2.
The price Argentina would pay would be high, very high, and no one in South America would risk the life of one of their soldiers to help them.
And the price of peace would be Argentina dropping their childish and illegal claims, and paying reparations to the people of the Falklands. If they refuse then there would be no peace.
But they won't try again, certainly not in the next decade, as they haven't got the military hardware to invade an infants school let alone get across submarine (?!) infested waters in their sometimes working ships.
However, I do think they'd try something different. I'm thinking of a government 'sponsored' terrorist attack or sabotage on an oil rig in Falklands waters. But Argentina should be told in no uncertain terms that any attack like that would be an act of war, and then they should be given a good shoeing to ensure that they understood the error of their ways.
Whats with this nonsense celebrating a resounding defeat? It is akin trying to explain to a future employer “ Ok I was shit at school but I could have done better in different circumstances ”. Imagine the student saying” this is all very well but we lost did we not, please explain.
Oct 06th, 2015 - 05:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@19 There you go bragging about your superiority again. I bet you would love to bomb us until we bend over to your whims.
Oct 06th, 2015 - 05:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@18
Oct 06th, 2015 - 05:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Headquarters, Land Forces
Falkland Islands
INSTRUMENT OF SURRENDER
I, the undersigned, Commander of all the Argentine land, sea and air forces in the Falkland Islands [Menéndez's signature, scribbled over the crossed-out word of “unconditionally”] surrender to Major General J.J. MOORE CB OBE MC* as representative of Her Britannic Majesty's Government.
Under the terms of this surrender all Argentine personnel in the Falkland Islands are to muster at assembly points which will be nominated by General Moore and hand over their arms, ammunition, and all other weapons and warlike equipment as directed by General Moore or appropriate British officers acting on his behalf.
Following the surrender all personnel of the Argentinian Forces will be treated with honour in accordance with the conditions set out in the Geneva Convention of 1949. They will obey any directions concerning movement and in connection with accommodation.
This surrender is to be effective from 2359 hours ZULU on 14 June (2059 hours local) and includes those Argentine Forces presently deployed in and around Port Stanley, those others on East Falkland, (Menendez's signature) West Falkland and all outlying islands.
[Menéndez's signature] Commander Argentine Forces
[Moore's signature] J. J. MOORE Major General
[Pennicott's signature] Witness
2359 hours 14 June 1982
@21 MagnusMaster
Oct 06th, 2015 - 05:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina seemed to be confident, if not over confident, in terms of superiority when the illegal invasion of the Falklands took place in 1982. So why should the Falkland Islanders not brag about the superiority of the defending forces at this time of history? Good for the goose and for the gander? Or not? Boludo!
@21
Oct 06th, 2015 - 05:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No not true , it is your country ( or your politicians ) that are inferior. Your country started the war remember. It was your good fortune that Maggie listened to Regan otherwise it would be completely different. It makes no difference if we consider that we are superior, certainly as regards military might I would suggest that we are far superior. Say what you like but drum beating will not cut the mustard.
The only country in the world who celebrate losing. Losers Hall for losers who want to sit around and discuss losing with losers.
Oct 06th, 2015 - 06:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Enjoy your hall losers!
Since I live not far away, I happened to recently visit the airport at Puerto San Julián in Sta Cruz province, from whence many of the Argentine sorties against the British forces were launched in 1982. This air base was I believe the most distant [from the Falklands] of the three most used during the war, the others being at Río Gallegos and Río Grande. Argentina likes to say that the proximity of the Falklands somehow makes the islands theirs, but in fact the considerable distance involved created enormous complications for their offensive air missions during the war.
Oct 06th, 2015 - 06:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Losses from Argentine air force and navy sorties launched from the Río Grande base during the war were rather high and returning pilots, asking around for what happened to their fellow fliers, were sometimes told that “teniente Fulano has been transferred to San Julían” when in fact Fulano had been splashed by the British and was never to be heard from again. But such was (and still is) the level of truthfulness with which the Argentine leadership treats its people.
There are some ironies here , since it was mostly British sheep-station owners who made Pto San Julián into the thriving little town that it was, and many of the sheep in these parts were introduced from the Falklands. In fact it was British capital, management, trade, and technology that made Argentina for a time a successful nation, but that is a story for another time.
Some of the Falklands war monuments hereabouts are more comical than others. Next to Ruta 3, and near the local military airport, there is a perfectly eloquent metaphor of the Argentine 1982 war effort. It features the tail section of an Argentine aircraft embedded in a solid wall. To the observer, this is “Argentine fighter aircraft hopelessly running into a concrete wall.”
Perhaps it’s the masterful 28 Brasileiro
Oct 06th, 2015 - 06:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We have to worry abt.lol
20 Brasileiro (
As soon as the war started we'll make a point of invading the Malvinas and kick your ass back to England
Talk is cheap...
We have knowledge of all your strengths and weaknesses.
And one thing I guarantee to you: Brazil and Argentina will continue to exist after the war. St. Helena and the Falklands not!
Russia will provide us the bases and targets. We will send our AT-29 through Angola, Guinea-Bissau, Portugal and finally Taranus
Say’s
28 Brasileiro
http://en.mercopress.com/2015/10/05/st-helena-airport-certification-exercises-planned-for-this-month-and-november
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I wonder if they all had a ceremonial shit on the floor of the hall in keeping with those “brave” argie soldiers of the “war”, that they lost?
Oct 06th, 2015 - 07:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0At the end of the day,
Oct 06th, 2015 - 07:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0they will never get the Falkland's against the will of the people that live there,
and that means never.
They open a room we open HMS Conqueror. http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/564017/British-submarine-HMS-Conqueror-sank-Belgrano-new-Falklands-exhibit
Oct 06th, 2015 - 07:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm sure we could lend them a few exhibits like the article of surrender or one of the 10,000 guns they left behind.
@28 ChrisR
Oct 06th, 2015 - 08:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, but they can't clean it up yet as they've mislaid the plans of the commemorative minefield.....................
@ 31 Pete Bog
Oct 07th, 2015 - 11:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0I like it!
That would provide a new mental picture of “throwing shit over everybody”!
:o)
Argentina had two missed chances to be something different that the sorry as peronist sh*thole it is now:
Oct 07th, 2015 - 01:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0First, when the Brits tried to seize Buenos Aires back in 1806/07. Argentina didn´t exist yet, but we could have started as a well organize, properly managed colony. And then, maybe, we could have being like Australia. Was so hard to try it for a third time?
Second, right after the surrender in 1982. It is so sad that Britain did not annex Argentina, sending a Governor. What a missed chance, we could have had 30 years of mature management, at least two generations would have being born and educated under civil standards...
Well, it´s 2015 and we are still listening to the same old and boring songs.
@33, your comment reminded us of the book:
Oct 07th, 2015 - 02:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Land That England Lost: Argentina and Britain, by Alistair Hennessy and John King
The Argentines are, after all, largely Italians who speak a heavily polluted variant of Spanish, wish they were British, who admire the orderliness of Canada but organise like Bolivians, and comport themselves as Somalians.
@ 34
Oct 07th, 2015 - 03:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Spot on. Sadly.
@32 Chris R
Oct 07th, 2015 - 09:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Is the museum interactive?
As there are no Brit soldiers present, the punters can be as brave as they like on interactive screen scenarios.
”You are a brave Argentine soldier, proud of defending the Malvinas Myth.
You and your amigos are on the top of a wet freezing mountain. Your officers are nowhere to be seen. You are short on food. It is dark.
In the distance you can just make out some unfamiliar sounds-'Ayo Ghurkali' and 'Where de Argy?
Use the mouse to click on your preferred option.
Do you:
A/-Call up Korned Beef Kate's Super Gauchos to attack the enemy?
B/- Pick your weapons up and attack the Ghurkas yourself?
C/-Radio the C24 for help?
D/- Get the white flags ready?
E/-Sing the Malvinas song at the top of your voice?
Remember, your answers will be available for La Campora to view, so consider your selection very carefully. We still haven't found out where the napalm booby trap exhibit has been sited in the hall.......
The Falkland Islanders and their British brothers have not forgotten how, after the Argentines completed their cowardly invasion, their courageous soldiers delighted in pointing their rifles at women in Port Stanley, pulling the trigger and then laughing when they just went click. Very brave.
Oct 08th, 2015 - 12:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0Meanwhile in Stanley, the capital of the Falkland Islands, officials have named a public toilet ‘Argentina’, a place where visitors can relief themselves and recall the ‘heroism’ of those Argentines who, albeit briefly, ‘squatted’ there in 1982.
Oct 08th, 2015 - 07:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0And we can all rest assured that in this Falklands Hall in Comodoro Rivadavia celebrating Argentine heroism, there will be a comprehensive display detailing the cruelty and acts of cowardice perpetrated by Argentine officers on their own troops. What a disgusting, vile shower.
Oct 08th, 2015 - 11:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0I deeply respect the memory of the Argentine pilots/aircrew involved, some of whom were very gallant but gave their lives for nowt. The ones who do not properly respect these airmen are the Argentine government.
Oct 08th, 2015 - 02:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do the Germans commemorate the invasions of Belgium in 1914 and Poland in 1939?
Oct 09th, 2015 - 10:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0Have the Argies recreated one of the Islanders' houses, like the houses their troops defiled by defecating in during the occupation of Goose Green?
Is there a map showing the route of the flights that dropped people out of helicopters into the River Plate during the Dirty War? (Out of theatre, but it shouldn't be out of mind).
@ 41 “Do the Germans commemorate the invasions of Belgium in 1914 and Poland in 1939?”
Oct 09th, 2015 - 11:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0NO. And here is why: lesson learned. Through sacrifice and suffering. They learned they were wrong, they paid an high price ( unconditional surrender, + 40 years of military occupation, etc). They had to rebuild their cities from its very ruins. They learned that their place was with the west, not against it. They learned that the only way out was through hard work and innovation and ZERO tolerance to any kind of BS.
See what kind of country Germany is now.
I am going to say something really awful, but I have heard this from a lady friend of mine so I may not be the only one who thinks like this:
Argentina needs a serious shake.
The Falklands war was not, it was a distant conflict.
Our repeating crisis are not neither, one way or another we get out. Poorer, but we get out.
Argentina should have being invaded and annexed back in 1982. People should have suffered. We should have had 30 years of foreign management. I´m sorry, I know it is terrible, I know that several people would suffer (me included) but when I see Germany I can only have hope, hope that maybe after a serious crisis people grow up. Maybe.
@42 SebaSvtz
Oct 11th, 2015 - 05:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There must be an easier way than laying waste to the country.
A start could be made by simply not indoctrinating the young.
However the “political will” would have to be there to effect any sort of a meaningful change.
@43
Oct 11th, 2015 - 07:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“ political will” vos is das mein herr, they have no idea, they spend all the time sniping at each other, as I have said many times the Argie politicians have all got “ skeletons ” in their cupboards. Just look at buenos aires herald for details. Everyone is throwing dirt at one another, what a crazy country. No one is completely innocent and transparent, it is in the Italian genes.
Buenos Aires was founded on smuggling. Its not really about the nationality of the forefathers just people taking advantage of a situation. The viveza criolla mentality stuck and set the tone for the nation.
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