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Falklands' bound Argentine 'militant' yacht rescued abandoned by fisheries protection vessel
An Argentine flagged yacht “La Sanmartiniana” belonging to a political group which responds to Argentine president Cristina Fernandez son, Maximo Kirchner, was detected abandoned in the high seas by the Falklands Islands Fisheries Protection Vessel, FPV Protegat and is being towed to Port Stanley, reports a release from the Falklands government. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesSink it.
Oct 09th, 2015 - 07:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0Sell it on Ebay, that would upset them. Can you imagine the furore over that.
Oct 09th, 2015 - 09:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0Give it to that nice American Hedge Fund as a way to reduce Argentina's unpaid bills.
Oct 09th, 2015 - 09:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0Another Argie vessel that doesnt function as a boat! What a surprise!
Oct 09th, 2015 - 09:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0Bahahahaha…
Salvage, bring in some money?
Oct 09th, 2015 - 09:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0or,
Do the Falklands have a Sea Cadet unit? They could give it to them?
I can see the headlines in the Argie press, “ Pirates board the La Sanmartiniana on the high seas crew taken off by unknown fishing vessel ” Pirates understood to be operating form Port Stanley Falkland Islands. PMSL, nothing floats in Argentina ( for long ) anyway.
Oct 09th, 2015 - 09:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0We salute these new hero's of the republic! These guys deserve war pension like everyone else. Viva la patria!
Oct 09th, 2015 - 10:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0ROFL
Something a bit odd about this - the Argentines say it was abandoned because 'bail pump' (presumably a bilge pump) wasn't working yet here it is three weeks later still afloat!. Not much of an emergency then!
Oct 09th, 2015 - 10:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0Nor it seems, did the crew take to the life rafts as there just happened to be a 'fishing boat' nearby.
Equally strange is that the 'fishermen' who rescued the crew didn't attempt to salvage a $90,000 yacht.
Looks to me like the crew came up with a nice excuse to not go through with their idiotic plan
Well, I´d personally chop it to pieces, then I´d send the remains in a cute box to Mr Maximo with an note that reads as follows: “Please don´t park your trash in our islands. Love, FI”, but I tend to be a little bit violent some times.
Oct 09th, 2015 - 10:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0I am not aware of what LOS may rule in cases like this. They can probable call the owner and request them to tow it away (after paying a bill for the use of the Port), if no notice is received then they should take ownership and sell it / donate it to the local school. That sounds cool also.
Oh, and I would certainly let a trained search Dog to spend one or two minutes inside, just in case the campora kids forgot something ... if you know what I mean.
It's a nice looking ketch and dirt cheap at 90k. Whomever found it abandoned and towed it owns it.....admiralty law.
Oct 09th, 2015 - 10:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0#8........perhaps the rolling and pitching seas were more than their land legs....and stomach could bear.
This story is too funny for words LMFAO.
Oct 09th, 2015 - 11:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0What a bunch of thuggish prats :a Camping It Up are, they couldn't even get it back to TDC!
Oct 09th, 2015 - 11:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0Now of course Maximus Prattus has really earned his nickname I gave him. I bet TMBOA is really pissed of and once she has recovered her breath from “dancing” she will be back to her usual brainless self and screaming her head off.
You have to laugh though.
I think I'm with @3 Mr Ed on this. Give it to the Hedge Funds - I would be able to hear the screams from the Pinkie House from here!!!
Oct 09th, 2015 - 11:55 am - Link - Report abuse 05 R I F , I think your idea is the best. Use it as a youth marine resource. Sea Scouts/Sea Cadet Corps. Show them just how resourceful and responsible the FI can be in maintaining a marine conservation area free from dumped rubbish.
Oct 09th, 2015 - 11:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0I'd have just scuttled her. They will start screeching about the British stealing their kiddies boat next.
Oct 09th, 2015 - 12:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You Islanders stole the Argentine boat. Stop playing around with luck!
Oct 09th, 2015 - 12:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Abandoned=salvage.
Oct 09th, 2015 - 12:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sell it on eBay or tow it to Arjuntina with Falklands flags all over it.
Make a movie about the brave crew.
Oct 09th, 2015 - 12:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@16. Here's the way it is. The boat was abandoned. That's already been admitted. Two issues. The cost of the salvage. How far is it going to be towed? Should be good for at least US$50,000, maybe more. Then there's the offence of leaving a vessel adrift. Perhaps “someone” will decide to prosecute the crew and owner(s)!
Oct 09th, 2015 - 12:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#16 tobi you ignorant pig, do you understand what abandoned means? Admiralty law appeals here under salvage rights. The salvor who tows it in can charge the owners damn near anything they want to.
Oct 09th, 2015 - 01:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Good luck with your theft claim idiot.
16 - Go and look up the International Law of Open Sea Salvage you idiot!
Oct 09th, 2015 - 01:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think you will find that under Int Law that vessel is now the property of the Captain and Crew of the vessel that salvaged it.
They will probably invite her owners to make them an offer to buy it back if they wish - at a fee that would cover the ship,s towage and time costs
and a bit of a profit for the crew.
Or she will be offered to anyone else who wants to bid - or if no bids, then all fuels and oils etc removed to ensure no maritime pollution - taken out to see and sunk. Any bits of equipment of value would be removed and sold off.
Get real Brasileiro!
I think this is hilarious. The Argentine navy has warships that sink on their own and the campora had a yacht that decided to float rather than sink like the navy boats. I would recommend taking it to Stanley and put it up on display still with the campora flags on it. Turn into a kids playground or something.
Oct 09th, 2015 - 01:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think that they FIG should rename “Falklands Freedom”, paint it in a huge Falklands Flag, and get a capable crew to sail it around South America telling the truth about the Falklands, and as an added bonus to sail it up and down the coast of Argentina laughing at the impotent Argentines.
Oct 09th, 2015 - 01:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And then when they've had their fun they can either sell it to Singer or let the RN use it as target practice (using our nuclear power penguins of course)!
But the whole thing is just so funny. These Argentine muppets can't even sail a yacht between Argentina and the Falklands without getting cold feet and abandoning it and running back home.
Just how do all these Argentine muppets think they're going to get their glorious military over to the islands?
Use it for target practice but sink it.
Oct 09th, 2015 - 02:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Chubby Kirchner should have called it the “Malvinas Celeste”.
Oct 09th, 2015 - 02:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So much for the La Campora plan ... FUBAR!!!
Oct 09th, 2015 - 02:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What a cluster...
Sell it and use the money for a “True History of The Falklands” media and educational campaign.
I can't stop laughing about this... !!
Argentina obviously consulted their own revisionist historians on the Trojan horse.
Oct 09th, 2015 - 02:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“So the Greeks got out when they were inside the walls of Troy, oh right”
Idiots.
@20 Cap Brit Popeye
Oct 09th, 2015 - 03:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Someone filmed the islanders stealing the boat. They intended to invade Brazil!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZifMT-akPg
Lol
LEprecon that is a fantastic idea. Call if the Freedom Falklands and sail it around South America. You could probably sail it into Puerto Madero and out again and the Argentine navy could send out a destroyer to capture it. That is if they have any boats that are sea worthy.
Oct 09th, 2015 - 03:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Actually you could send it into BA to capture the city. They have no navy to oppose a 2 masted skiff.
Of course. You've domesticated penguins and will invade Buenos Aires mounted in them.
Oct 09th, 2015 - 03:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@30: You really are quite the dick, aren't you?
Oct 09th, 2015 - 03:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This event should be sent to all the major news carriers world wide and Argentine should be seen as the incompetent and ridiculous lot that they are.
Oct 09th, 2015 - 03:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am totally amused by this news. I hope this will be kept from the Pumas - they won't be able to play rugby for laughing!
#28 tobi you really are a child. All you RG's are so traumatized from that 1983 ass waxing you've still to get over it mentally and physically. You're the Rex Ryan of countries, still feeling the pain of the Patriots.
Oct 09th, 2015 - 04:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You can call me anything you like. I feel the pain with it's bullets and shrapnel. Words, albeit stupid.
Tú muy estúpido
You know, the really nice thing would be for the FIG authorities to send a very nice note to the Casa Rosada informing nicely to the current resident that her son's sail boat was found abandoned and that she's very welcome to personally come to Stanley and recover it. She of course would need to sign the normal documentation recognizing the FIG transfer...
Oct 09th, 2015 - 04:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Chilíndio arrived!
Oct 09th, 2015 - 04:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It looks like a nice yacht being sailed by muppets. No need to destroy it - there's plenty of people that would want it.
Oct 09th, 2015 - 05:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0News flash:
Oct 09th, 2015 - 06:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Kirchner family contributes gift of $90,000 yacht to Falklands economy!
They should be imprisoned as spies. The boat could be used for tourism around the islands. Provided there's no risk of its sinking. Never know with these Argies' floating contraptions.
Oct 09th, 2015 - 06:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They were hoping to land quietly,
Oct 09th, 2015 - 07:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and start spying for CFK,
but if caught, we don't know you.
Hey, who are those gays on the boat, the onesa wid the pansy flags?
Oct 09th, 2015 - 07:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Abandon ship here coming nuclear penguins!
What a mistaka to makea!
37 No , Kirchner s family never use thier saves , This vessel was bought with our taxes
Oct 09th, 2015 - 07:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In fact the original plan was , that this vessel could arrive Falk Is , for a new arg claim. Its a pity that the vessel was found without Camporas followers , perhaps the Royal Navy lost the opportunity to have a target Practise .
The vessel calls sanmartiniano , San Martin was a honorable man. The vessel should be call Argentitanik
Salvage rights! or just scuttle it!
Oct 09th, 2015 - 07:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Is a small donation to our British friends!
Oct 09th, 2015 - 08:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0May be used in the following situations:
NHS 2.8 Billion in debt.
Obsolete prehistoric 100 Billion Trident.
HS2 50 Billion useless train.
To hide the useless Rugby English team.
For secret encounters between Mr. Cameron and his Porky friend :-)
The story has hit Argentine newspapers.
Oct 09th, 2015 - 08:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Clarin: “Primeras imágenes del velero de La Cámpora en un puerto de las Malvinas”
The first pictures of Cámpora's sailboat in a Falkland Islands harbour
http://www.clarin.com/politica/La_Sanmartiniana-velero-La_Campora-Malvinas_0_1445855619.html
“Los Andes”, Mendoza:
“Hallaron en las Malvinas el velero de La Cámpora perdido en altamar”
The boat the Cámpora abandoned at sea was found in the Falkland Islands.
http://www.clarin.com/politica/La_Sanmartiniana-velero-La_Campora-Malvinas_0_1445855619.html
The irony is exquisite.
Oct 09th, 2015 - 09:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't suppose it provides a level of support at the UN for these morons either, does it? “Nope, we wouldn't do anything intimidating to our neighbours”. Does this rather humorous event make La Campora proto-terrorists?
Oct 09th, 2015 - 09:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Los kelpers se divierten con el velero kirchnerista: “Está como la Argentina con Cristina, abandonado y a penas a flote”
Oct 09th, 2015 - 09:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Los residentes de Malvinas compararon el barco “La Sanmartiniana” con el estado del país durante el kirchnerismo; “La misma historia de siempre. Los isleños limpiando el desorden argentino”, dijeron
The Falkland Islanders are making fun of the kirchnerist sailboat: It is like Argentina under Cristina, abandoned and barely afloat.
The Falkland Islanders compare the boat “La Sanmartiniana” with the conditiopn of the country under the Kirchners; The usual history. The islanders are cleaning up after the Argentine mess.
http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1835212-los-kelpers-se-divierten-con-el-velero-kirchnerista-esta-como-la-argentina-con-cristina-abandonado-y-a-penas-a-flote
U-Boat = Under water boat.E-Boat enemy boat.
Oct 09th, 2015 - 10:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So this would be either a PMSL-Boat or maybe a F-Boat=Fail Boat!
@41 diefra
Oct 09th, 2015 - 10:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“37 No , Kirchner s family never use thier saves , This vessel was bought with our taxes...”
Thanks Diefra, - “ CFK & son Max, contributed to the Falklands economy by donating a yacht that cost Argentine taxpayers $90,000 !!”
There... Does that sound better?
Old habits die hard eh argentina?
Oct 09th, 2015 - 10:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0still sending mindless minions to foreign lands for populist reasons, obviously the crew had heard what happened to the last illegal invasion onto the islands, and panicked thinking the conqueror was in the area and lets face it no argentine wants that do they? but abandoning a perfectly good vessel on trumped up mechanical reasons, must of just left shore and thought “what the hell are we doing”
The next La Campora meeting will be awkward for the abandoners who may ironically end up back out to sea........ far out to sea.....from a height....
sad c*nts
Marcos- Is it really then an Argentine tradition that Arg men - when frightened - like on the eve of surrender in Stanley in June 1982 - crapped all over the place-onfloors in houses, in postoffice mail boxes etc etc?
Oct 09th, 2015 - 11:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Because - the fisheries vessel crew found human crap on the floor in the boat - must be an Argentine thing(they feared it was sinking) - when frightened - drop your pants and drop everything!
She is in a bit of a rough state - maybe value nearer US9000 than 90,000!
PMSL
Oct 09th, 2015 - 11:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery.
Laughing stock of South America!
Are they taking offers...?
Oct 10th, 2015 - 12:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0I'll start the bidding at £20k...
value nearer $900 in that condition and location and that would be after she had been fumigated and de-turdigated.......
Oct 10th, 2015 - 04:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0Just another failed RG attempt at something...
@51
Oct 10th, 2015 - 05:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0Apart from the usual turds, were there any weapons on board ?
Or a whole chest of white flags?
@ 43 Marquitos Alejandrito
Oct 10th, 2015 - 05:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0And your point is? You really are a silly juvenil!
@43
Oct 10th, 2015 - 08:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0You are jealous that we can afford all of those things you allude to, just imagine lights on 24 hrs a day, 365 days a year, what a novelty for Argentina. get off your arses and work for your country and see what difference it will make. $ peso devaluating daily inflation 25-30% and YOU THINK we have problems? LMFHO
@55 the real turds abandoned ship....
Oct 10th, 2015 - 09:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0thank goodness they got the crew off,you know what there like for eating each other.....
Oct 10th, 2015 - 10:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0This going to get a little interesting. because no one from Argentina actually recognizes the islanders and run a mile from speaking to them. However the law in this situation make it very clear that they will have to talk to the Salvers.
Oct 10th, 2015 - 10:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0The right to be rewarded for salvage at sea under common law is based both on equitable principles and public policy and is not contractual in origin. Historically, salvage is a right in law, when a person, acting as a volunteer (that is, without any pre-existing contractual or other legal duty so to act) preserves or contributes so to preserving at sea any vessel, cargo, freight, or other recognized subject of salvage from danger. This is the typical case of salvage and is distinct from Prize law, which is the rescuing of property from the enemy at a time of war, for which a reward is made by the Court of Admiralty sitting as a Prize Court.
The law seeks to do what is fair to both the property owners and the salvors. The right to salvage may not necessarily arise out of an actual contract but is a legal liability arising out of the fact that property has been recovered. The property owner who had benefit of the salvor's efforts must make remuneration, regardless of whether he had formed a contract or not. The assumption here is that when faced with the loss of his vessel and cargo, a reasonable prudent owner would have accepted salvage terms offered, even if time did not permit such negotiations.
And seeing as the owner is that daft idiots son who has run Argentina into the ground, this could and should be a major embarrassment to Argentina,
The idiot Maximo is denying that it is the same vessel, which apparently wasn't abandoned (despite being reported as being abandoned by the actual crew of the ship) and that this is all a British 'conspiracy'.
Oct 10th, 2015 - 11:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0No doubt he's got a lackey running around trying to buy an identical yacht to 'prove' it.
I'm see the 'usual' suspects aren on here desperately trying to deflect attention away from this huge embarrassment for Argentina, but as usual it doesn't work.
I haven't laughed this much since the Libertad was impounded in Ghana, and then the government threw a 'victory' parade to ensure that the whole world knew just how pathetic, impotent they are, and the fact that they are a bunch of deadbeats who won't pay their debts.
Living where I do I've been around boats all my life and I've seen yachts come in out of Atlantic storms with their rigging, mast, sails all torn away. I've seen yachts with 20 degree lists and with holes in the hull patched with sails but still got into harbour. It's no co-incidence that there is a RNLI lifeboat based at Valentia Island.
Oct 10th, 2015 - 12:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Looking at the pics of this tied up in the FI it looks to me to be in pretty good nick. It's on an even keel, slightly down at the head but only very slightly, the masts and all the rigging seems to be intact and the sails are reefed. Although it does look like they were trying to run a spinnaker or a foresail which wouldn't help them a lot in a serious blow. I find it difficult to believe that it only had one bilge pump and the fact that it's on an even keel suggests to me that she wasn't taking on much water, if any.
I suspect that they got into a bit of a swell and panicked. perhaps they didn't have any experienced seamen with them - who knows. Whatever, they seem to have made themselves look very foolish.
Apparently La Nacion is trying to pretend that they weren't heading to the FI at all and were just calling in at Argentine ports.
OH, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, BAhahahahahahhahaah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oct 10th, 2015 - 12:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just too funny for words, BAhahahahahahahahah!!!!!!!!!!!!
Where to begin, ohhhhh just where to begin, BAhahahahahahahahah!!!!!!!!!!!!
Perhaps it’s got 'Stiuso' on board, BAhahahahahahahahah!!!!!!!!!!!!
Or is this a case of Argentine people traffickers who forgot to put the refugees on the boat.
An attempt to “suicide” the boat, it knew too much perhaps.
Either way, Maximo don’t got no boat no more. Conspiracy theory explanation required quick.
Nice present for the Islanders though, I’m sure they will find a good use for it.
Unless of course the Vulture Funds get an order to impound it.
@59 lornefirth
Oct 10th, 2015 - 01:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think you are confused - la Cámpora does NOT compare with very brave Uruguyan rugby players of 1972.
All English Rugby Union supporters must be disappointed at 33-13 defeat by Australia. Bye bye England :-))))
Oct 10th, 2015 - 09:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/10/04/09/2D1111BA00000578-0-image-m-33_1443947927607.jpg
Marcos- Jesus you are asleep and a week out of date with news!! So out of date and thick to realise that there are still THREE British Isles national teams all through to the 1.4 finals:
Oct 10th, 2015 - 10:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Wales
Scotland
Ireland (combined team from Eire an N.Ireland as the usually do in most sports).
Yes England - the hosts got knocked out - they did not play well when it mattered - their fate was sealed when Wales beat them 2 weeks ago.
If you want to follow the World Cup - do so- and keep up to date with it!
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Oct 10th, 2015 - 11:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Surely it would be the insurance company that would deal with the salvors...
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I would have thought that it would be good sense to abandon the boat if the bilge pump had stopped working rather than run the risk of taking on water without the means to remove it, so far from shore....it's only a boat....
Argentines are incompetent cowards.
Oct 11th, 2015 - 12:30 am - Link - Report abuse 066 Islander1
Oct 11th, 2015 - 12:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0I don't have an issue with either Scotland or Wales, you can join the old “rugby” player gordo.
Swing low. Sweet chariot. At least now you can all go home!!! Your bloody chariot awaits to take you home!
Marcos,
Oct 11th, 2015 - 01:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0I'm Welsh and I still think you're a cunt. :)
Marcos-
Oct 11th, 2015 - 03:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0So what is wrong with the Irish then?A damn good strong team.
Why your fascination with the English team? I don't understand the bit about chariots await- the English ARE at home - they are hosting it all!
Here in the Islands there are most likley more more Scottish and Welsh supporters than English.
3 damn good games today - even the English played reasonably well!
67 “voice”
Oct 11th, 2015 - 06:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0“I would have thought that it would be good sense to abandon the boat if the bilge pump had stopped working rather than run the risk of taking on water without the means to remove it,”
Are you for real???
Abandon a perfectly good boat that is still afloat “...rather than run the risk of taking on water ...”
“gosh amigos, something bad could possibly happen, sometime, given the right circumstances.., surely we ought to abandon our seaworthy vessel as soon as someone happens to pass by... ”
er... “chuckle”
Voicy has obviously never sailed a yacht! He doesnt realise you can lift floorboards and bail with a bucket a saucepan etc, and, that there will doubtless be a manual pump of some sort. He has the same sort of mindset as the Argie so called crew. Low intelligence, no resoucefulness and no balls. And he has been barred from the Yacht Club… Choob
Oct 11th, 2015 - 08:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0Somebody needs to resurrect OverDoverRover and pretend to know something about boats.. clearly nobody in Argentina does.
Oct 11th, 2015 - 11:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0I feel sorry for the crew - they were clealry picked on the strength of their support for the FatBoy and MBOA, rather than any inherent sailing prowess ... so a bit of a swell and they jump ship as they finally realise the truth and reality around them.
No doubt they were told the Falklands was a 2 hour sail off the coast and believed it.....
Typical mindset of folk without money....
Oct 11th, 2015 - 11:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0The value of the boat above the value of their lives....
Risk young people on the Atlantic when there is a safe fishing boat there...
To geriatrics like yourselves it doesn't matter...you are nearly dead anyway...
“Anyone who's ever tried to work a hand pump for five minutes knows that these things won't do. Even a man in good physical condition can't operate one of these things for very long. ”
http://www.yachtsurvey.com/bilge_pumps.htm
Why am I not surprised that VoiceThinkDover knows all about hand-pumping...? ;)
Oct 11th, 2015 - 12:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Bunch of idiots....
Oct 11th, 2015 - 12:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Abandon ship...Bilge pump failure...full insurance claim...
Boat doesn't go down rescued by Salvors...
Full insurance claim...
Insurers decide whether boat is written off or not and reimburse Salvors or not...
Everyone safe, no lives put at risk...NO BRAINER.....
lessons learned...
Small boat with a group of people cannot get to the islands undetected....;-)
@75
Oct 11th, 2015 - 12:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They made the choice to travel all that way, anyone in their right minds would have made sure that the bilge pump/s were working prior to taking to sea. Common sense really but these Campora guys do not seem to have any. The boat looks in remarkably good shape having been towed for quite a distance so the question of whether the pumps work or not is irrelevant as it reached its destination, albeit not under the command of the Argies.
Moron @77. Self evident you have never sailed. How many people are on that deck in that photo? Ever heard of a bucket? Stop making yourself looking even more stupid than you have already proved over and over again. A windbag blowing into a windbag! Just because you have no balls dont assume everyone is as windy as yursel…
Oct 11th, 2015 - 12:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@67
Oct 11th, 2015 - 01:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A ketch this size - what is it 50 - 60 footer would have at least and I say again at least 4 bilge pumps, two would be high level at around 16 -20 thousand litres per hour and two lower level at around 3 - 5 thousand litres per hour each of which should be individually connected to separate 32v batteries and would quite possibly have internal ballast pumps to maintain an even keel in case of major leaks but the fact is that the pics of her in the FI show her on an even keel just slightly down at the head. As she had been abandoned three weeks ago and was still afloat demonstrates quite clearly that the bilge pumps or at least most of them were working well (they would switch on automatically when the water in the bilges reached a certain depth). Also the pics of her in the FI seem to indicate that they had tried to rig some sort of foresail though god only knows why because that wouldn't help them in a gale or heavy swell. Any experienced sailor would take in all her sails, keep her head into the wind as much as possible and use her motor to keep forward momentum and head into the swell at about 45 - 60 degrees.
Now if they said that their engine had failed in heavy weather I would agree that it would be opportune to abandon ship if possible but I stick to my previous post, I think they were far too inexperienced for ocean sailing and they panicked when a swell started running but I am still amazed that the fishing boat didn't try to salvage her.
Argentina is an object of ridicule in Latin America because of its pathetic resort to gesture politics, carrying out some stunt or other that aims to have one effect but always results in the opposite effect.
Oct 11th, 2015 - 03:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The greatest example is, of course, the cowardly invasion of the Falklands which ended in a humiliating surrender and which has guaranteed the islands will remain British for generations to come.
This latest farcical gesture, by Buenos Aires heart-throb Maxim Kirchner (joke!), has ended once again in humiliating failure.
Thank goodness we can rely on Corruptina Kirchner and her sprogs to put smiles on our faces. Ho, ho, ho … Ja, ja, ja…
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Oct 11th, 2015 - 03:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Speculation...you don't know the details, most bilge pumps don't fail, it's the electrical system that controls them that does....
Also usually a bilge pump fail is not noticed until there is a noticeable amount of water lying that has not been pumped out...
The same system that controls one may control more than one....
Pumps designed to move thousands of litres per hour are not working...will the hand pump do.....
A boat full of youths hundreds of miles from the shore in a stormy Atlantic.....
Make a decision Captain....carry on or take the fishing boat....
If they stayed and the Captain knowingly endangered all of the passengers....
Manslaughter....
Are there any sensible people on this forum....at all....
Should we follow Old Man Voice's suggestion.....“Get the saucepans out lads...”
Silly old fool....
@82
Oct 11th, 2015 - 04:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ha Ha Ha.
You may call it speculation but it's speculation based on experience.
Of course electrical systems sometimes fail but that's why they are independent for each bilge pump and why they are insulated against influx of seawater. Any experienced seaman would be immediately aware that a bilge pump had failed by the 'feel' of the boat and by the big red light that would come on on his control board.
I repeat it's clear to see from the pictures of the ketch in the FI that the bilge pumps have worked admirably after she was precipitously abandoned by an inexperienced crew three weeks ago - how do you suppose she remained afloat all that time??.
No sensible skipper would ever get into a situation where he had a mob of hysterical passengers and no experienced crew, certainly not in the South Atlantic which I seem to recall is quite famous for stormy weather.
Quite clearly you are not one of the sensible people on this forum or you wouldn't keep on blathering about something which you clearly no nothing about.
@69 Marquitos Alejandrito
Oct 11th, 2015 - 04:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Another of your juvenile suppositions! As a true Brit I support England, Wales, Scotland and, to a lesser degree, the combined Irish team.
It is disappointing to see that England, the host nation, did not progress to the quarter finals but I can still cheer for the other “home” nations. Indeed, I am also supporting the Pumas as their play is very entertaining.
I don't know where you are located, indeed I don't really care, but England is the host nation and a good job of organisation is clearly present. And, of course, we are “at home”.
Boludo de m----a!
@82 Voice
Oct 11th, 2015 - 04:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh Voicey, Voicey, Voicey use some common sense (Remarkably un-common at times).
“Pumps designed to move thousands of litres per hour are not working...will the hand pump do.....”
Obviously will, as the boat got all the way to the Falklands still afloat with no one pumping at all.
I agree they were wise to abandon ship when they had the chance, they were very stupid to take to sea in the first place, when they clearly had no idea what they were doing.
83
Oct 11th, 2015 - 04:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Wow...your expertise comes from living near boats.....“Living where I do I've been around boats all my life”
All based on a picture of a boat AFTER it has been docked....
Did they pump out the water after towing it in ...are the pumps Engine run or battery, is the charging system working....
A lot of variables ....yet you know it all without any details....
Living where you do, do you know a lot about bombs too....
Ooo...Ketch...Skipper....you have all the lingo...
Save your Googling expertise for those that can't also Google and play the armchair expert...
Besides they probably didn't have the luck of the Irish on their side...
You have been AROUND BOATS ALL YOUR LIFE. Liar! You are a choob of the first order. You know nothing. You have never been in a yacht. You have NEVER sailed. As an experienced qualified Ocean Yachtmaster I know that the last resort is the buckets and saucepans. You can reroute the engine waterpump to pump out a boat, I have done it. You know fuck all.
Oct 11th, 2015 - 05:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We can tell what an ageist tool you are . Everyone agrees except your sock puppet Snr Think. Stop embarrassing yourself! Windbag. Bahahahaha…
84 gordo1
Oct 11th, 2015 - 05:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well Done!
This certificate is awarded to the little Englander
For the participation in Your World Cup! :-))))
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/10/04/09/2D1111BA00000578-0-image-m-33_1443947927607.jpg
@86 Voice
Oct 11th, 2015 - 05:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Reality Check Here:
“Did they pump out the water after towing it in”:
No if it had been full of water it would have sunk, try towing a half full boat and it also sinks.
“are the pumps Engine run or battery, is the charging system working....”:
Whatever the system layout, it was obviously working as THE BOAT DIDN’T SINK, IT STAYED AFLOAT.
Nothing “variable” about it.
87
Oct 11th, 2015 - 05:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Get some glasses OLD man I was quoting darragh @62....
Hence the quotation marks....I realise they are quite small for an Ancient Mariner like yourself...but...Doh!
Embarrassing....
89
Try reading the article....the bilge pumps did not work....
For safety and common sense they abandoned it....Correct procedure...
Who said it had taken on water....there is no info either way....
@90: Actually, the bilge pumps were in perfect working order........
Oct 11th, 2015 - 06:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@90 Voicy - resident of gods waiting room. If you can get out of your electric tip up chair, disconect your incontinence pants from the receptacle, find your teeth from that glass and plug in your ear trumpet and get yourself to that yacht club…… they wont let you in because like with the Combined Services you have been barred. Bahahahaha…
Oct 11th, 2015 - 06:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Been around boats? I expect you have.. Looking to meet sailors no doubt.
Nothing else to do in Dunoon. https://youtu.be/4ruwmeWFqyc
@ 92 The Voice
Oct 11th, 2015 - 07:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0PMSL at the comments on that vid!
@88 Marquitos Alejandrito
Oct 11th, 2015 - 09:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nene - as you must be the youngest of the trolls given your juvenile postings you should be made aware that Wales and Scotland together with Northern Ireland and England make up the United Kingdom - n.b.UNITED KINGDOM. The Monarch of the United Kingdom(not England) is Head of State of the Falkland Islands which is an overseas territory of the United Kingdom(or Britain)
So if you have nothing against Wales and Scotland then you must have nothing against the other provinces of the United Kingdom.
Boludo de m----a!
A soft wind takes a little ship from continent to the islands... best prove that Malvinas are argentinians.
Oct 11th, 2015 - 11:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 092
Oct 12th, 2015 - 12:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0Gramps...I realise it's way past your bedtime and you will have to read this in the morning, if you actually do wake ...at your age it's always a wonder....
You have got to be at least thirty years older than me, so don't feel too bad not being able to see the quotation marks and getting all confused....
Drink your cocoa and dream of the good old days when you could see type....
Ps...It's Voice btw....in case you forgot who you were talking to....
I said VOICE....you silly old duffer....WHO YOU WERE TALKING TO YESTERDAY!!!.....;-)))))
94 gordo1
Oct 12th, 2015 - 04:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0“So if you have nothing against Wales and Scotland then you must have nothing against the other provinces of the United Kingdom”
Dear Sassenach, No I don't have anything against Wales, Scotland or Ireland, United what? Just have a trip to Edinburgh or Glasgow on a Saturday night and express your English accent there, you can see the hairs rising on the backs of there necks.
On the plus side for England and Mrs. Tootle , the chariot that's coming for to carry them home will not be expensive. #ENGvAUS :-)))))))))))))))))))))))))))
@97 Marquitos Alejandrito
Oct 12th, 2015 - 05:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0I have been to Edinburgh on several occasions and I have always been treated with utmost courtesy and I have been to Glasgow once when again I was treated with courtesy. Also, my son attended St Andrews University and he regards his time there with much affection.
So what is your point? Boludo de m----a?
PS It was only a sporting occasion NOT a major disaster!
ChrisR, yes, its a great vid. Billy confirms that Dunoon is a rather bleak spot. Like Worthing, Gods waiting room Scotland! It gets right up Voicy's/ Thinks' nose. The old windbag is wishing desperately now that he never mentioned his location and has resorted to shouty capital letters to try and score points. Bahahahaha
Oct 12th, 2015 - 08:45 am - Link - Report abuse 097 Marcos Alejandro
Oct 12th, 2015 - 10:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0You really are a silly boy who is blind to the deep fractures in Argentina. Anyone who travels in the provinces is soon aware of the hatred felt for the capital which many Argentines regard as a leech sucking the blood out of the rest of the country.
Dear deluded friend, you also need to have the courage (no chance) to admit that racism is endemic throughout your land. Any black foreigner who visits Argentina comes away with shameful stories of how they have been treated. That is one reason why the peoples of Brazil and Uruguay feel such contempt for Argentina, a country that is trapped in Thirties Fascism.
Go away, little chap, your poison and bile are making you sick in the head.
@97 Marquitos Alejandrito
Oct 12th, 2015 - 12:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://edition.cnn.com/2013/04/28/health/argentina-psychology-therapists/
Do you have any recommendations to pass on to paulcedron and your other “compinches” trolls?
#100 Yes, when I was cycling down through Patagonia from Mendoza I was surprised at the anti BA comments from so many people I stayed with. BA is a huge magnet sucking the population in. Result? Poverty on a massive scale. This is where KFCs support seems to come from.
Oct 12th, 2015 - 12:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Marco 97- You really are a thick ignoramus with no knowledge of democracy and what it means!
Oct 12th, 2015 - 02:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Of course there are those in Scotland and wales and N Ireland who would like to be independent of England(well in the case of N Ireland to join the Irish republic).
But unless they become the majority in those nations - it will not happen - simple as that.
Even if it did - both Scotland and Wales and even Ireland - would still be part of the British Isles you idiot! - Look at a map.
And both Scotland and Wales would be aiming to keep the Queen/King as their head of State,and probably the same currency(in which case their overall economy finances would still be controlled by London).
There is a very small call for Independence from Wales - count the Plaid Cymru MPs and last year,s referendum in Scotland fell quite a bit short and so is pretty well off the agenda for another 10-15yrs at least.
In May the people of Scotland did NOT vote Independence wise - they voted for their elected representatives in the overall British Parliament . Independence was not an electoral issue for the UK general election - understand?
By the way - we are aware there is also a small % of the Tierra del Fuego population who want to be Independent from that shambles north side 0f the Straits of Magellan - and I do not mean Chile!
The boat belongs to those who found it under maritime law.
Oct 12th, 2015 - 02:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sell it and put the proceeds to a Christmas party.
If England , Scotland , wales , northern Ireland,
Oct 12th, 2015 - 04:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0won everything, Footballs European and words cups,
rugby cups , tennis polo cricket tiddly winks,
you would all scream foul cheats corruption,
so we lose some, and still we have people who now say we cant win nowt,
seems we cant do anything right these days.
still,
as they say,
only halve the world loves us,
only halve the world is civilised.
chuckle.
@95 fercastellanos
Oct 12th, 2015 - 04:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Coming from a country that worships little blue plastic statues, I should not be surprised that wind direction is regarded as “proof” in an alleged sovereignty dispute.
@95
Oct 12th, 2015 - 05:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0According to the report it wasn't the wind that took it to Stanley but a FPV that towed it there. In which case, how does a British vessel protecting FIG fishing rights that removes a potential threat to shipping help your claim? Surely this example of effective administration by FIG/UK goes against your claim (together with all the other 180+ years of examples of effective administration).
@95 fercastellanos
Oct 12th, 2015 - 06:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Have you read the real story of this vessel's fate?
“voice” @77 etc.
Oct 12th, 2015 - 08:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“voice” the ageist dickhead's, opinion on bilge, is just that!
About as ridiculous as his opinion that American mindset of carrying guns is because much of the country is rural and danger is everywhere out of doors!!!
PMSL laughing - once again, no frickin' idea of reality - but what can you know if you never leave your bedsit in Dunoon... ?
Troy, the irony is that Voicy/Think is in his late 60s and retired anyway. Being alone, his Mrs running off with a US serviceman and his kids shunning him he is a lonely and bitter windbag. He's been put in his place by the Falkland Islanders after blowing his bagpipes rather too loudly when he was there in 82. Constantly seems to need to big himself up. Pathetic really.
Oct 12th, 2015 - 09:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0101 gordo1
Oct 13th, 2015 - 02:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0“As a former expatriate and a British citizen who now is retired in the UK I cannot understand why you would even consider giving up your life in Canada to establish yourselves here”
You got that right gordo, who in the right mind will move to England nowadays.
You also ask me”Do you have any recommendations(therapists)“
Sorry you are a lost case but for the many children refused mental help in fifth world England I am sure we can help.
BBC
October 12/2015
”More than a fifth of children referred to mental health services in England have been refused treatment, according to research by the NSPCC“
”http://www.bbc.com/news/health-34485848
@111 Marquitos Alejaandrito
Oct 13th, 2015 - 05:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0“As a former expatriate and a British citizen who now is retired in the UK I cannot understand why you would even consider giving up your life in Canada to establish yourselves here” Kindly explain what this is all about - who has made this statement?
As far as my question in my 101 why do you answer a question with a statement about matters in England? I am well aware of the problems of our wonderful NHS which, sadly, is subject to so much abuse by many of our citizens that, at times, it is unable to cope. Our present Government is working very hard to solve its current problems and is investing more taxpayers money that at any time in the history of the NHS.
112 gordo1
Oct 13th, 2015 - 06:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0Marcos is too intellectually lazy to understand the consequences of events, let alone think much about what he himself posts.
Appears easily confused and willfully blind, should anything conflict with his belief system.
A prime example of an ideologically duped, dullard.
111 Marcos Alejandro
Oct 13th, 2015 - 09:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0We are all filled with pride that persons living in a poor, backward, Third World country spend so much time obsessing about the United Kingdom. But may we respectfully suggest that these obsessives give attention to the horrendous problems facing their own land, including the children who are starving to death. Have you heard about them or don't you care? And dying children are not the only shameful issues facing Argentina.
Read this in the Washington Post: “All is not well in Argentina. The economy is stagnant, the fiscal deficit unsustainable and growing, foreign and domestic investment pathetic, inflation running at 30 percent, drug-related violence rising and the country remains an outcast in the international financial community.”
Kirchner has been a disaster for Argentina. That is why she has to keep shrieking and screaming about the Falklands.
So can these sad people who are fixated on our fantastic United Kingdom let us all know what they are doing about the Argentine cess pit in which they wallow. But, having said that, you little people do make us feel proud when you write about our Great Britain. Make us smile.
Is Marquitos Alejandrito (I prefer the diminutive as he is so immature) resident in the UK(Scotland?) or, indeed, is he a Scot masquerading as an Argentine troll - given his apparent love affair with our fellow citizens north of the border and hatred towards England.
Oct 13th, 2015 - 12:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Whatever, why is he never able to post meaningful contributions to the debate - he must be brain dead! In his last posting(@111) he introduces a statement addressed to an unknown implying that I have something to do with it, Previously, in another thread he did the same concerning some other matter.
What is his problem? But, then, Exelielman maybe has hit the nail on the head in his final paragraph @114 above.
If he is from Argentina - which seems possible - then he should be ashamed of himself!
Oct 13th, 2015 - 01:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0114, 115, 116,
Oct 13th, 2015 - 02:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Marcos” is typical Troll 'flak' ( not flack) thrown up to distract/insult/divert.
Multiple ID's, minimal effort... no intention of actually arguing a point.
I do hope the FIG are going to use this boat, its an excellent propaganda tool. Just another chapter in the Liberturd/ roll over destroyer, saga. The canoe invasion to commemorate Malvinas day was the best laugh, Liberturd impoundment was second and I think this yacht episode is a worthy third. The still rolled over destroyer is a permanent monument to the incomptence of KFCs navy. I can just imagine the suppressed giggles and muffled laughter from our good friends on the other side of the Andes!
Oct 13th, 2015 - 03:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0114 ezekielman
Oct 13th, 2015 - 05:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Excellent post!!
If the Falkland's don't return the boat to fat-boy Máximo, what will Argentina use in their next invasion ??
Oct 13th, 2015 - 05:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Jack… canoes of course!
Oct 13th, 2015 - 06:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentinian president Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner's applies for strictly come dancing
Oct 13th, 2015 - 06:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In the UK,
This is her audition dancing routine.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/argentina/11918458/Argentinian-president-Cristina-Fernandez-de-Kirchners-dancing-goes-viral.html
Watch it now….
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Bahahahaha Briton, thats magic!
Oct 13th, 2015 - 06:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Heres one for Voice/ Think, I believe these things are de rigeur in Dunoon, all residents up there have to wear them to keep the place smelling sweet, free issue on the NHS up there!
Thats where Billy comes from… https://youtu.be/zDhETFcgWTE
Chuckle chuckle..
“Falklands' bound Argentine 'militant' yacht rescued abandoned by fisheries protection vessel”
Oct 13th, 2015 - 08:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“The “sunken” yacht La Sanmartiniana is now safely moored at the port in Stanley ”
huh, might I suggest, as a last humiliating chapter to this sad story, that someone tell the “Vulture funds” where this yacht is currently berthed.
I am sure that Mr Singer would be MOST interested......
@121 The Voice
Oct 13th, 2015 - 10:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Good idea....I've got an old kayak rotting down at the yatcht club....d'you think the Kirchners would like to buy it ? only problem is that it might capsize if they use any calibre greater than that of a pea shooter...but, on second thoughts, don't think that'll be a problem.
122 Briton
Oct 13th, 2015 - 11:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Funny vid!!
Sciolimis laughing - no way is he hoving power back to that witch, after his term is over, and she put himninbyhere... !!
@07 Markshitmullet
Oct 14th, 2015 - 09:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Just have a trip to Edinburgh or Glasgow on a Saturday night and express your English accent there,”
I have expressed it with my ex RAF Scots buddies(to Edinburgh) and all the jocks did was take the piss oota ma accent so I transformed into Rab c Nesbitt and took the piss oota maself. Resulting in no hostility whatsoever. The Scots are great, welcoming, and fun to party with.
I hope you weren't asleep when the Scots voted to stay part of the UK last year.
@97 Marcos
Oct 15th, 2015 - 05:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I lived in Glasgow for nearly a year and no one had a problem with my English accent.
But I tell you what. Why don't you go there waving your Argentine flag and demanding the Falklands?
The Scots remember Mt Tumbledown. The remember the Falklands War. They remember that Argentina started it by invading a peaceful territory and holding its people hostage.
And the thing about the Scots is that they don't like bullies, they never forget, and they certainly won't forgive until Argentina learns some humility and common human decency and apologies to the people of the Falklands.
I've been in pubs in Glasgow when England were playing Argentina in football. And it is the ONLY time I've ever seen a pub full of Scots cheering on the English team.
The Scottish and English have a long and complicated history and a sometimes rocky relationship, which is built on mutual respect.
The Scots have no respect for Argentina at all.
And if you want to know what Scots think of cowards who do sneak attacks, just remember what they did in Glasgow to the cowardly terrorists.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OuGD0vpW5Y
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