MercoPress. South Atlantic News Agency
Scioli needs to convince some non-Peronist voters to reach the 'magic 40%'
With less than three weeks to Argentina's presidential election, the government's candidate Daniel Scioli has chances of avoiding a runoff but he still needs a couple of points, according to Fabian Perechodnik, head of pollster Poliarquía. In Argentina the winning candidate needs 45% of the votes or 40% but with a ten-point difference over the runner up. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesEven if the votes don't materialise he will still be declared the winner and all the argies know that.
Oct 13th, 2015 - 11:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0Bent, no! It's a corkscrew that will appear.
@1. I agree. The peronistas have been “bending” the voting for years. Still, at least we can be happy that argies will suffer if they vote for Scioli. Isn't that good? So much for viveza criolla. They get what they vote for.
Oct 13th, 2015 - 02:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Scioli has always been a spineless coward. He will just end up being a Kirchnerite sock puppet.
Oct 13th, 2015 - 02:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Twelve years of progressive policies building an economically independent Argentina that is socially just are giving Daniel Scioli a great opportunity to lead the country further on the same path.
Oct 13th, 2015 - 07:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Those who aspire to bring the country back to the 1990s are of course having a hard time selling the idea.
Their problem is, the disaster of the politics of the 1990s and the pain they caused are still too fresh in Argentines' memories.
Too bad, Mauricio.
You really are ignorant to the reality of life in Argentina quique. If I pay for your ticket will you return? Pedophilia has become a misdemeanor in honor of Fat Max kirchnrr, so you're good to return.
Oct 13th, 2015 - 10:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@4 Captain Poppy is right. The lady that used to clean my house, had her first child because she was raped by her uncle. Her aunt stabbed him to death and was imprisoned for it. This kind of story is not unique.
Oct 14th, 2015 - 02:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Seriously, go and live in Argentina for a year. Try getting a job there. I'm sure you might even be able to find some sort of religious foundation that might give you room and board, and some volunteer work to do. Then come back and tell us if it lives up to your expectations.
@4 Reekie
Oct 14th, 2015 - 04:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Their problem is, the disaster of the politics of the 1990s and the pain they caused are still too fresh in Argentines' memories.”....
You are giving the average Argie voter too much credit. How many Argies really remember what happened 20 years ago ? it's the handouts that are speaking louder than anything else. If the majority (of voters) was truly intelligent, and not just voting to maintain their handouts, the likes of CFK and her puppet Scioli wouldn't stand a chance. But they deserve Kirchnerism, if that 's what they want.
The working and productive class in Argentina remember. They lost a lot of what they had worked for. Then, when it started turning after Nasty Eyed Nestor decided no to pay their bills and debts, they , the Kirchnerites began to pick the flesh from the working and productive class in Argentina, like stealing their pensions, outlawing the dollar as a means to finance corruption, stopping imports and creating mega inflation.
Oct 14th, 2015 - 07:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@8 Captain
Oct 15th, 2015 - 05:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“The working and productive class in Argentina remember”...
Can't disagree really, but what the hell happened to them that now they so passively accept Kircnerism after seeing where it's taken them ??
Or, were the working and productive classes in Argentina already in the minority ??
I don't know any that accept them. Realistically what can outsiders expect them to do? Revolt in the streets? Take to arms? They are not like the poor, ill-educated who except and demand handouts who would turn to violence.
Oct 15th, 2015 - 07:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina by and large has always been poor and they were a true oligarchy which is what enabled someone like Juan to create a movement that he did. His failings however was to create a work ethic. Look at the vast portions of South America. Poverty….more poverty than not. The concept of removing poverty is no doubt noble. Without less poverty comes less crime. However these SA dictocrats prefer to provide handouts, just enough to sustain so that their own selfish motives are feed. If they truly wanted to end poverty they would provide short term assistance with job training and and end in sight to welfare for them…..give them a fish or teach them to fish.
The easiest approach is to blame wealthier countries for their misery. Many blacks in the USA and some still do the some….the WHITE man is holding me down. When they do find a way out, others call them Uncle Tom’s…traitors. Notice how many here on MP blame the Western world and see the Chinese as their saviors? The North Koreans believe Kim does not shit and his father walked on water. Go figure.
There is a fair amount of working class in Argentina. They are the ones supporting the poor in areas such as villa 5. They are not going to turn to violence. Maybe one day they will. I figure this. One way or the other Cuntlips is gone. Even if Scioli wins I don’t think is is a puppet to Cuntlips…..but we will see. In the end, it’s no skin off my ass, I live in Massachusetts, but I feel for my extended family.
@10 Captain,
Oct 16th, 2015 - 06:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The root of the problem is, as you said, “However these SA dictocrats prefer to provide handouts, just enough to sustain so that their own selfish motives are fed”.
If these governments did have any real interest in reducing poverty, they definitely would invest in the right places, instead of in lies and meaningless propaganda....and in their bank accounts....just to perpetuate themselves in power, by transforming the people into ignorant dependents.
But, it's hard to believe that the Argentines, who until (perhaps, not so) recently, were considered the most politicized population in South America, have become so stupid, in their majority, to the point that they actually elect shit like 'cuntlips' (like it) and now, probably her candidate. Beats me.
It's the youth movement, the camp thaat is really destroying the minds of the upcoming population in Argentina. I know a far amount of people in Argentina and met even more. But never have I met any Peronista's.
Oct 16th, 2015 - 07:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Peron movement has truly created a sector, a growing one at the where even the classes above poverty expect handouts. In Argentina as in the USA, it all starts in the home. One does not have to be rich or well off to have values and work ethics. But mom and dad have to have to to pass it to their kids.
Read my post in this article. Regardless of who wins, the tail winds are gone and it will be all uphill.
http://en.mercopress.com/2015/10/14/if-scioli-is-argentina-next-president-he-should-have-a-strong-support-in-congress#comments
That is the won decade of what the Kirchner's did to Argentina, along with dropping them from a #2 economy to a #3. They desperately need an infusion of cash via investments or foreign bonds, China cannot afford welfare to them.
@12Captain
Oct 17th, 2015 - 03:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your post in the link says it all. Even darker days ahead.
In all sincerity, I do not wish any ill well on the people of Argentina. However, the slight majority or peronista/kirchner minded people in Argentina, in large part due to the vast majority are in poverty. They may say they beat and almost eradicated poverty, but even according to their own stats, 3 out of ten argentines live off of 1,000 pesos a month, according to INDEC!!
Oct 18th, 2015 - 04:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://en.mercopress.com/2013/01/12/eleven-million-argentines-surviving-on-7-dollars-per-day-according-to-indec
They are the ones who are easily swayed in their votes. God forbid if they government attempted to educate them and getting them working. Education is knowledge and knowledge is a dangerous thing. History recalls how Gutenberg was received with the printing press which ment.....MASS MEDIA=knowledge.
Noticed that when people talk REAL numbers and irrefutable facts of Argentina, the Argentine trolls scatter.
RIGHT QUIQUE?????????????Think/Stevie?????????
(backdooring some websights is like picking a skelton key lock and your IP's give you away)
Argentina is literally broke and they are behind to the tune of almost 8 billion in import trade payments. 27 billion in reserves are earmakred, if Argentina honors where they are designated to. The trolls can say as they are told or wish and choose to ignore reality, but the facts are reality and that cannot be changes:
http://en.mercopress.com/2013/01/12/eleven-million-argentines-surviving-on-7-dollars-per-day-according-to-indec
When you have, literally a stupid President who was betrayed by her husband for dying and turning over economic control to a faux economist who believes Venezuela and Cuba are paradise, one cannot be surprised by what is happening in Argentina.
One week, then we wait for the runoff.
@14 Captain
Oct 19th, 2015 - 05:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You hit the nail on the head when you said “Noticed that when people talk REAL numbers and irrefutable facts of Argentina, the Argie trolls scatter ?”
Same thing with the brasshole, and a couple of others I've met on this forum, who think they own the truth......never questioning the source, as long as the information coincides with their views, distorted by government propaganda aimed at the ignorant.
I've nothing against the Argentines either, at least those who have, and use their brain. Have some family left there and every time I go back I'm surprised by the decadence. Looks like the Argies are in for another 4 years of hoplessness.
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