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Malvinas Forum, Uruguay chapter with new coordinator and agenda
The Malvinas Forum, chapter Uruguay, which supports Argentina's sovereignty claim over the Falkland Islands, held a meeting to commemorate the UN General Assembly resolution of 1965, name new authorities and prepare the agenda of activities for next year. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesRes 2065 is dead.
Oct 20th, 2015 - 03:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0“ … Considering that its resolution 1514 (XV) of 14 December 1960 was prompted by the cherished aim of bringing to an end everywhere colonialism in all its forms, one of which covers the case of the Falkland Islands (Malvinas),
Noting the existence of a dispute between the Governments of Argentina and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland concerning sovereignty over the said Islands,
1. Invites the Governments of Argentina and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland to proceed without delay with the negotiations recommended by the Special Committee ... with a view to finding a peaceful solution to the problem, bearing in mind the provisions and objectives of
the Charter of the United Nations and of General Assembly resolution 1514 (XV) and the interests of the population of the Falkland Islands (Malvinas);...”
1. 2065 did not recognise any validity in Argentina's claim; it merely noted the existence of a sovereignty dispute between the UK and Argentina.
2. 2065 was an invitation not a demand. UN General Assembly resolutions only being “advisory.”
3. 2065 specifically noted the; “.. provisions and objectives of the Charter of the United Nations and of General Assembly resolution 1514 (XV) - which was a direct reference to the right of self-determination of all peoples (without exception).
3. Negotiations commenced in 1966 - “.. with a view to finding a peaceful solution to the problem..” -and continued until 1982 when Argentina abandoned 2065 and chose the non-peaceful option of war.
4. Argentina's abandonment of 2065 in 1982 fatally wounded 2065 in the eyes of UN members.
5. In 1982, and at a rumoured cost to Argentina of over $200 million, 2065 was mentioned in the 5th preambular paragraph of UN Resolution 37/9 which again called for negotiations in its first operative paragraph. 37/9 requested that negotiations resume as soon as possible in order to find; “... a peaceful
solution to the sovereignty dispute...
The Uruguayans mentioned are a bunch of has-beens and obscure backbenchers, quite possibly on Argentina's payroll.
Oct 20th, 2015 - 05:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0These misinformed individuals all believe the lies of José María Ruda viz:
Oct 20th, 2015 - 05:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.falklandshistory.com/false-falklands-history.pdf
Fray Bentos......for brains!
Oct 20th, 2015 - 07:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0Sorry, we are a bit busy hosting the Chinese president at the moment. He has come to the UK to invest lots and lots of money here, especially Manchester where he is on Thursday and Friday with a very big cheque book.
Oct 20th, 2015 - 08:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0I'm sure your forum is lovely, maybe when your are not so busy in your forum, you may be able to attract the Chinese president to visit Uruguay, instead of wasting your time on the lost causes of other failed states.
Wishing you well, the UK.
Who cares what a tired talking shop has to say.
Oct 20th, 2015 - 08:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0The UN have designated the Falkland Islands a non-self-governing territory (NSGT)
Oct 20th, 2015 - 08:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.un.org/en/decolonization/nonselfgovterritories.shtml
The UN has also determined that all NSGTs have the right to self-determination http://www.un.org/en/decolonization/nonselfgovterritories.shtml http://www.un.org/en/decolonization/nonselfgovterritories.shtml http://www.un.org/en/decolonization/nonselfgovterritories.shtml
This has been re-affirmed by the United Nations International Court of Justice (UNICJ). The UNICJ General Report 1971 (page 31) states the following:- ”the subsequent development of international law in regard to non-self-governing territories, as enshrined in the Charter of the United Nations, made the principle of self-determination applicable to all of them”.
I repeat - both the UN and the UNICJ proclaim that the principle of self-determination, under the UN Charter, applies to ALL non-self-governing territories. They do not say it applies to all of them except the Falkland Islands.
@1
Oct 20th, 2015 - 08:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0Spot on Roger.
And it could be argued that the whole point of decolonisation at that time was to encourage independence for' colonial peoples' and in my opinion this is implied by the inclusion of:
“recommended by the Special Committee on the situation with regard to the Implementation of the Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples.”
Some might argue that the commitee's recommendations are paramount, but if so, why was “with regard to the Implementation of the Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples.” not omitted?
It could be argued from this text that the negotiations 'requested' (and not demanded) that Argentina and The UK discuss how best Independence could be agreed for the Islanders, otherwise why include the reference to Independence, provisions and objectives of the Charter of the United Nations and of General Assembly resolution 1514 (XV), and the interests of the population?
Argentina, Uruguay et al who support Argentina's claim, seem to have a blind spot when reading this document and I believe that the UK should send letters to the Argentine government pointing out the wording of 2065 and not stick heads in the sand.
Although 2065 was nullified by the 1982 invasion, it IS a tool that the UK and Islanders can use to back their side.
The history of 1833 was previously seen as an embarrassment to be ignored, when in fact, as debated on these posts, the events when taken into proper context regarding the British claim, support that claim.
“Those of us who belong to this forum simply say that just look at the Malvinas map and history, and you will see they are not British”
Farcical-the history has not been analysed by these cretins.
” the forum is also open to those who believe that the Malvinas are the Falkland Islands. “Nobody has turned up, but you never know”.
No invite for the Islanders themselves. Have the MLA's been invited?
“The UN has resolution, 2065, from 1965, which means it has been pending for half a century, which calls on Argentina and the UK to hold talks on Malvinas sovereignty, but London refuses.”
Oct 20th, 2015 - 08:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0Clarify:
Which side in the dispute insists that any outcome favour them *before* negotiations begin?
Which side deliberately walked out of talks when the legitimate inhabitants of the Falkland Islands were present to represent their interests?
Which side has lied about damn near everything regarding the history and present of the Falklands?
Correct answers: Argentina, Argentina, Argentina!
There are two ways the sovereignty dispute can be resolved in a fair and equitable manner for all three parties in the dispute (Argentina,Britain, Islanders), but Argentina will never agree to either, because neither involve them getting sovereignty.
If they want progress on this issue, ceasing the Malvinas Lie and telling the truth as gord01 has pointed out would be a reasonable start. However, they've spent countless time and currency lying to their people - even spreading the Lie to their children in schools - that any reasonable action on the subject would make their past actions look like a waste.
It's a waste either way, but at least this way they don't have to acknowledge it.
UNGA 2065 XX 1965 is no longer relevant as it stated “peaceful solution” and “interests of the inhabitants.” Peaceful solution was broken by the events of 1982 and “interests of the population” has been superseded by the international law on self-determination developed by ICJ Judgment and Advisory Opinions between 1971 and 2010 and is now “inalienable rights”.
Oct 20th, 2015 - 09:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0UNGA 2734 XXV 16 Dec 1970 confirmed that new principles in international law such as the right to self-determination are interpreted into the UN Charter therefore self-determination supersedes all other obligations.
https://www.academia.edu/10573354/UNGA_2065_XX_Question_of_The_Falkland_Islands_16_Dec_1965
More hot air from South America……just ignored as usual.
Oct 20th, 2015 - 09:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0Where are the trolls?
These stupid idiots don't realise that you can't start a war, lose it, then “demand” to be given the spoils that you went to war for in the first place!
Their audacity, er no, their cheek, um yeeeees, their stupidity, thats the word that l was groping for, is amazing.
Plonkers all, the whole shower of the idiots.
Sheeeeeesh.
“The UN has resolution, 2065, from 1965, which means it has been pending for half a century, which calls on Argentina and the UK to hold talks on Malvinas sovereignty...”
Oct 20th, 2015 - 09:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0No it doesn't, it just makes note of a sovereignty dispute. When you read that, you know whatever else they say will be full of the usual propaganda.
So 'England ' usurped then from the Argentina/UP. but they were inherited from Spain! One man's usurpation, is another man's inheritance. Depends which side of the fence you are on.
Usurpers Saxons! The barbarians are always barbarians and all that barbarism brings.
Oct 20th, 2015 - 10:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0The barbarian lives and dies by the power of arms and not by moral reason.
Shameful!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHQ8pkWmjeQ&list=LLmXPTu1f8AdGlizWNiASx2A
“..........said Rosadilla who said the forum is also open to those who believe that the Malvinas are the Falkland Islands. “Nobody has turned up, but you never know”.”
Oct 20th, 2015 - 10:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0So who did you send the invitation to Sr Rosadilla ? I have checked with Gilbert House who confirm nothing has been received by the Falkland Islands Government. Would this be one of those invitations after the event so as not to have to listen to contrary views ??
Toby - shut up! Back to your cell....now!
Oct 20th, 2015 - 10:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0There's a strange situation in south america. For instance, virtually the entire world operates quite reasonably with something called political asylum. That wasn't good enough for south america, so it came up with diplomatic asylum. It's what Ecuador gave Assange. It's not recognised anywhere else. As far as I can make out “uti possidetis juris” is also something south america came up with. Probably because of all the internecine conflicts. After all, with the exception of Brazil, the administering power for all the rest was spain. It's not as though many are capable of providing a decent government.
Oct 20th, 2015 - 11:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0So, let's try again. UNGA resolutions are non-binding. Moreover, a bit of real international law is uti possidetis. It's been confirmed by the ICJ. It's fairly easy to understand. UNGA 2065 is non-binding. Britain has no need to pay attention to it. Then we get to 1982. Argieland started a war that it went on to lose. Uti possidetis means that everything Britain possessed when argieland surrendered belongs to Britain. All those UNGA resolutions can go in the bin. As has been pointed out (@9), it's difficult to see any point in “negotiations” when one party has already decided what result is required. How about the UK agrees to “negotiations” on the basis that no argie or argie proxy can EVER set foot on the Islands? Besides, the Islanders have made it quite clear that they want nothing to do with argieland. And successive British governments have committed to supporting that view. Incidentally, a state cannot “inherit” territory. It has to go there and make a proper claim. Equally, I see no indication that spain gave up its “claim”. But do let's see the treaty in which spain transferred territory, over which it had no sovereignty, to argieland/UP.
@12. Read your post quietly to yourself. Think hard about the “power of arms” bit. If that's how Britain survives, perhaps you think about your own survival.
Having more professionalism is very easy to achieve now the alcoholic Tupa moron Rosidilla is leaving.
Oct 20th, 2015 - 11:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0A lump of shit on a stick looks more like a defence minister than this disgrace of a Uruguayo: he is of course one of No Money Pepe's bestist mates and the holder of a 'special award' given by the arsehole Dovena for NOT turning up to fight in 1982 “but would have done if he wasn't in prison”.
The whole cretinous lot of them need to be dropped off the point into the South Atlantic while they are swanning around PdelE.
When I posted on Arg journals , I ever say that we (arg) misunderstood UN Resol . Unfortunately journalist , politicians , and teachers at school , only shows us a part of this, focusing only , about a future dialogue of soveriegnity. When I read this part of the resolution, because of, the resolution involve other territories in disputy around thw world, the resol said that we take into account the interest of the islanders, and of course in a peacefull way . But in my opinion the big responsible for this situation in the UN , cause , when Arg claim every year , the UN don t say anything , or perhaps I ve not information, in order to help in this way , I said above that this resolution involve other territories that nowadays are independent. Why the UN don t take into account this, in order to finish this disputy , and perhaps the only disputy is about exclusion maritime zone and their projection over Antartic zone is a misterious for me . Borders problems between countries must be solved at The hagues Int Court, ( maritime zone) and of course UN should give you the independence in the same way f ex Belize, that its mentioned in the same resolution . So , the UN burochrats, paid with our taxes doesnt do their jobs properly . We must go to hell for managing this situation as Poncio Pilatos.
Oct 20th, 2015 - 12:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the Kelpers should go ahead and declare independence have their own seat at the UN and mantain a close aliance with the UK NZ Canada and all the anglo and nordic countries
Oct 20th, 2015 - 03:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A formular All país for by La Campora?
Oct 20th, 2015 - 03:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@18. So you misunderstood the resolution, did you? Here's a few dates that might help you to understand.
Oct 20th, 2015 - 03:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 01690 Islands discovered by Britain.
1765 Britain makes its formal claim to the Islands.
1770 Spain has bought the French settlement and decides to throw its weight about, descending on the British settlements with warships and 1400 troops and evicting the settlers.
1771 After word gets to Europe, Britain asks the king of spain if he'd like a war. The king thinks, apologises, arranges for everything stolen from the settlers to be restored, pays reparations and the British settlers return to their Islands.
1776 Britain evacuates the Islands due to the economic pressures of the American War of Independence. A plaque is left asserting continuing British sovereignty.
1811 Spain evacuates for similar reasons.
1820 A pirate from argentina/UP arrives (Jewett) arrives but his claim was invalid because he was a criminal.
1828 A fraudster (Vernet) obtained British permission to start a commercial enterprise on the Islands.
1831 Vernet descends to piracy seizing three American vessels. The USS Lexington is sent and arrests seven.
1832 UP sends an expedition to set up a penal colony. The new “garrison” mutinies and murders its officer (Mestivier).
1833 Britain re-establishes its rule. The criminals of the “garrison” had only been on the Islands for SIX weeks. When the UP personnel sailed away, they only took four people associated with the previous “garrison”.
1850 Britain and argentina sign a Convention of Peace and Friendship. The Islands aren't mentioned, thereby confirming that the Islands ARE British.
Now, where do you get your “claim” from? In 1982, you “misunderstood”. You thought that the expected withdrawal of HMS Endurance meant that Britain would do nothing. Then the news came that Britain was despatching a Task Force. Argieland ignored UN Security Council resolution 502.
Be quiet and never mention it again. Maybe things will be better in 50 years.
Who did the catering at the meeting/forum. Must be a good day out, there would be no other reason to attend.
Oct 20th, 2015 - 04:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 021 I read the UN resolution, and appreciate that you wrote about Falk History, I support your self determination, About 1982 , it was shame and Arg gov should apologize to the falk people in the future.
Oct 20th, 2015 - 06:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But in this post I try to enphasize UN reposibility in this matter . In fact they creates more problems than solutions.
Most southamericans countries have the idea that Falk Isl is only a Brits military base , and perhaps because of only few habitants living there , it means only brits from UK island living there . So in my opinion, the UN in this matter should recognize the independence as a new southamerican country, in this way the disputy will finish,
@13
Oct 20th, 2015 - 07:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“The barbarian lives and dies by the power of arms and not by moral reason.”
Correct. That's why Argentina's barbarians rejected negotiation and invaded the Falklands in 1982 “by the power of arms and not by moral reason”.
And in 1833, the UP militia were asked to leave by a polite letter from Captain Onslow. No one was hurt.
Prior to June 1982, UN resolution 502 asked Argentina to leave the Falklands.
Preferring war rather than peace, Argentina chose to fight.
Imagine how stupid Argentina might have made the UK look had they withdrawn after the Task Force had nearly reached the Islands, and forced the stand off by both sides required by the resolution.
Argentina poked the stick into the wasp's nest, with the inevitable result.
Argentina should be refereed to the ICJ,
Oct 20th, 2015 - 07:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Uruguay, if it truly supports CFKs claim, should also refer Argentina to the ICJ,
Britain should refer them to the ICJ perhaps the UN should refer them to the ICJ stating if they have no interest, then they have no claim,
surely if anyone anywhere thinks they have a claim, then take it to the ICJ or soddy offy.
just a thought.
Why have Mercopress taken to sending “new comment alerts” when there have been no new comments? It's becoming a pain in the backside. Please stop.
Oct 20th, 2015 - 09:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh no! Uruguay speaks.
Oct 21st, 2015 - 01:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0I can't imagine the UK government cares quite frankly
Brasherboot @ 27ow (including a Falklands desk)ricultural shgest stand at the recent ag 27
Oct 21st, 2015 - 03:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0If the UK government didn't care I doubt whether the Embassy would be making such a big effort with public relations, including the biggest national stand at the recent agricultural show in Montevideo, complete with Falklands Islands desk and the presence of FIG authorities.
The UK government must be well aware that the average Uruguayan (as opposed to the government) is against Argentina regarding the Falklands and several other issues.
The illegal barriers Argentina imposes on imports are of far greater importance to Uruguayans. The global cause of Argentine criminality in finance and trade needs referring to the International Criminal Court now. Kirchner and her corrupt cronies have been allowed to get away with their immoral actions for far too long.
Oct 21st, 2015 - 06:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 02065 is not dead. Lies. Thanks to Uruguay for their support. Not like old fat uKlover Trobo.
Oct 23rd, 2015 - 03:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@30 PJ,
Oct 23rd, 2015 - 08:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 02065 is dead & buried, you can forget about it already.
What happened to Resolution #502?
You didn't honour that one, did you?
You cannot pick & choose which resolutions that you like & ignore the ones that you don't like.
You have NO RIGHTS here so you can forget that also.
Pity, we could have been friends but you want us as slaves.
Adios
PJ @ 30
Oct 24th, 2015 - 12:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0Jaime Trobo is not particularly fat or old. Not that anyone should care unless they're seeking sex. He's an honest plain-speaking Uruguayan MP who has not given in to bribes or pressure from Argentina. He has the guts not to follow the government line, unlike you and Argentina's Uruguayan lackeys (a small minority of the population).
As long as there are people like you, the Falklanders will despise Argentina. And so will the Uruguayans and I dare say also the Chileans, Brazilians and Paraguayans, who have the misfortune of being Argentina's neighbours.
@30 PepperJohn.
Oct 24th, 2015 - 06:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You have never read 2065, nor has Argentina.
Argentina says that 2065 hands them sovereignty of the Islands.
2065 says something completely different.
You have your head planted up your behind which prevents you reading this part:
“with regard to the Implementation of the Declaration of the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples.”
So in this case who are the Colonial peoples in Resolution 2065-Argentines? I thought Argentina ceased to become a colony in 1816-but you know different eh?
And I know that like most Argentines you never mention Resolution 502 WHICH WAS A COMPULSORY RESOLUTION that Argentina did not follow.
You selectively mention the UN but never 502.
Argentina did not obey 502 so has NO RIGHT to lecture the UK on 2065.
ynsere
Oct 25th, 2015 - 08:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0Trobo?
Jaime Mario Trobo?
Por la plata baila el mono, we tend to say in Uruguay...
Guzz ... er ... Stevie @ 34
Oct 25th, 2015 - 09:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0What would you know about Uruguay? Have you ever even been here? I very much doubt it. Are you the monkey who performs for money?
Now scram!
No, underestimated, I think he's probably the organ grinder. No double entendre intended, por supuesto.
Oct 25th, 2015 - 12:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://corrupcion-uruguay.blogspot.dk/2008_04_01_archive.html
Oct 25th, 2015 - 11:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A lot more than you, it would seem...
;)
Yes, as far back as 2008 there were already Frente Amplio people involved in corruption. Some have made their fortunes, but nothing like your bosses Cristina and Maxi. Is there ANYTHING you can tell us about Uruguay that you haven't learned on the internet, or simply invented? Of course not, you've most probably never been here.
Oct 26th, 2015 - 01:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0Dismissed.
The UK will return the Malvinas within the next 25 years.
Oct 26th, 2015 - 04:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0#39
Oct 26th, 2015 - 09:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0You remind me of one of these automatic dialling machines from call centres.
Interminable meaningless messages with nothing of importance or interest to say.
Just the same meaningless crap.
@40 Clyde15,
Oct 26th, 2015 - 10:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0She is just trying to irritate us.
l don't think that she is completely sane, myself.
Shouldn't answer her but l'm going to anyway! lol!
ln a way l'm glad she's posting.
We at least know that she's reading our posts & knows that we'll never weaken or cave in to Argentina's ridiculous “claims”.
@39 Hepatia,
l'll be actually surprised if Argentina actually exists after the next 25 years.
l hope not, so that we can reclaim Sta Cruz Province which rightfully belongs to the Falklands.
But try to have a nice day, anyway.
Uruguay chapter? So short that it's only a single word long. And the word is.....BOLLOCKS..
Oct 26th, 2015 - 12:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0See Lily Liver has been at her hallucogenic Pink Medicine again.
Senator Huelmo says “look at the map”. If we use his logic Greenland belongs to Canada so does Grand and Petite Michelon. The Faroes would belong to the UK, the Canaries to Morocco etc.. Get a bigger map Senator and a bigger brain.
Oct 26th, 2015 - 05:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@39
Oct 26th, 2015 - 06:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina will return Santa Cruz to the Falkland Islanders within 25 years
“The UN has resolution, 2065, from 1965, which means it has been pending for half a century”
Oct 26th, 2015 - 06:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No, 2065 is dead and buried by all sane, clear thinking people.
It died....oh...... just after 02nd April 1982.
It was replaced by Resolution 502 which argentina saw fit to IGNORE and thus they have the blood of about 1,000 people on their hands.
It can be “Pending” all you like Luis my misinformed friend, but it does not mean that anyone is going to “un-pend” it any time soon it now does it?
#30
Oct 26th, 2015 - 08:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 02065 asked for talks. Argentina decided to ignore talks, fight over the issue, pulled out a gun , fired it. We fired back, kicked the crap out you and sent you home...at OUR expense. Talks now terminated PERMANENTLY .
Get used to it.
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