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Argentine presidential run-off in November but with completely different scenario

Monday, October 26th 2015 - 08:21 UTC
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Argentina's presidential election is headed for a November 22 runoff between incumbent Cristina Fernández chosen successor Daniel Scioli and conservative rival Mauricio Macri, according to results released into early Monday. Read full article

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  • Jonaz_BsAs

    Fantastic result. Best of all: Anibal Fernandez is out - he may very well end up in jail. Vamos Argentina!

    Oct 26th, 2015 - 08:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • willi1

    now the 2001/2002 bondholders hope to get the right person in the second round.

    Oct 26th, 2015 - 09:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • SebaSvtz

    It´s the first time in many years that I have some hope. Maybe, just maybe, Argentina may have a chance not to sink to the very bottom.

    Oct 26th, 2015 - 10:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    Scioli's numbers hardly moved at all from the primaries. There is a lot of public opposition the the kirchner. It seems Hanibel “Lecter” Fernendez is behind as well.

    Argentina.....I wish all good luck in the run off.

    Oct 26th, 2015 - 10:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Klingon

    Can't wait to see hoe Reekie spins this one.
    Great result!

    Oct 26th, 2015 - 10:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Mendoza Canadian

    “As Cristina Fernandez cast her ballot, the 62-year-old leader said she was proud to be handing over a “normal” country....” yes, now it is Crissy.

    Oct 26th, 2015 - 11:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Aureliano

    I'm so glad we are finally able to see something different.
    And i'm happy as hell that Vidal won in my province. We are safe from the drugdealer Fernandez.
    What a lovely day.

    Oct 26th, 2015 - 11:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    Oh, how the mighty are fallen!

    All I can say is: HA, HA, HA, HA!

    Let's hope Macri makes it at the final round.

    So much for Scioli poncing around the media announcing his 'government members for when he is president.

    I bet Riki Mashed Potato head is pissed as a newt in Canada and we will have to wait for him to spin it before he can post.

    Shit and fan of epic proportions could be very close now. :o)

    Oct 26th, 2015 - 12:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Voice

    Oi Marcos! After the disaster at Twikers now this! Bahahahaha.. Perhaps this will be the start of a new chapter in Falklands/ Argentina relations?

    Marcos, did you notice the crowd at Twickers, mostly British people from English Rugger Clubs. Urging the Argies on, applauding their spirit, no insults, no burning tyres, no stome throwing, no intimidation of defensless visiting pensioners, even leaving tbat noxious slug Maradona in peace to enjoy the match!

    This is how the CIVILISED rugby fans from England behave. Look and learn… !

    Oct 26th, 2015 - 01:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marc1

    What a pleasant surprise!
    When Julio Alak, the justice minister finally appeared with the much delayed results, he looked like he was chewing a wasp.

    Oct 26th, 2015 - 01:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • redp0ll

    Animal Fernandez, architect of Sciolis collapse.
    First line of a possible requiem to be sung when he goes to jail
    “ does the bog brush lose its bristles down the toilet overnight...”
    Any think of a second line.

    Oct 26th, 2015 - 01:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Klingon

    Argentine stocks up 20% this morning so far !
    Need I say more.

    Oct 26th, 2015 - 02:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Tarquin Fin

    Absolutely! The walrus is the big looser this time. And he dragged the whole apparatus with him.

    But this time, no chance that he will find a trunk big enough to hide him and his narco cronies.

    Good times! Good times!

    Oct 26th, 2015 - 02:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • redp0ll

    @11 & 23.. The original song to adapt the lyrics to. “Does your chewing gum lose its flavour on the bedpost overnight” by Lonnie Donnegan. Well worth a listen

    Oct 26th, 2015 - 02:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Heisenbergcontext

    So the Peronists are, if only temporarily, disarmed. Massa could be the king maker.

    @10

    “...chewing a wasp”. Lol,

    Oct 26th, 2015 - 02:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jonaz_BsAs

    I expect that the desperate Kirchner regime will blow what's left of currency reserves on a one month all out attack on Cambiemos/Macri. There will be attempts at voter fraud, massive voter bribes etc. They are desperate now, they really are.

    Oct 26th, 2015 - 03:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Skåre Anti-K.

    chuckle chuckle chuckle

    ... but, given that the kirchnerists will stop at nothing, expect a massively rigged second round.

    Oct 26th, 2015 - 03:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • MagnusMaster

    I am surprised by Vidal's victory in the province of Buenos Aires. I hope she does a good job, the opposition really needs to prove they can govern properly if they want to be an alternative to the Peronists.
    Now let's hope Macri wins on the second round. It won't be easy, since a lot of Massa's voters hate Macri and would rather vote for Scioli.

    Oct 26th, 2015 - 03:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    Sounds like the Fernandez cartel is going to suicide someone:

    http://www.buenosairesherald.com/article/201763/an%C3%ADbal-f-aims-at-traitors-and-congratulates-vidal-for-ba-victory

    Aims at his traitors???

    Oct 26th, 2015 - 03:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Tarquin Fin

    @19
    Nothing but a friendly reminder to the Tattaglias

    Oct 26th, 2015 - 04:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Enrique Massot

    The results of yesterday's election are not flattering for the Victory Front, and candidate Daniel Scioli will need to make adjustments in order to have chances at the Nov. 22 second round.
    He will need to pay heed to the results in Buenos Aires province, where the defeat of Aníbal Fernández has sent a clear message to the party in power.
    Third-runner Sergio Massa could attempt to direct the vote of his followers to one of the two candidates going to second round--that's something to be seen in the next few days.
    Electors would be wise to ask candidate Mauricio Macri for clarity on his goals in case of winning the presidency; until now he has been all over the place.
    There is no doubt a new political reality in Argentina today, but both enthusiastic Macri followers and disappointed Kirchnerists should take last night's results with a grain of salt; the party in power for over a decade remains pretty much an established political force, now facing a new political entity with good prospects.
    Above all, Argentina has gone through another election without incident, with high citizen participation--80 per cent!--and the opposition, in face of its good results, seems to have set aside any fraud claims.
    Such an election process speaks volumes of the state of democracy in Argentina.
    And everybody, of course, can celebrate that.

    Oct 26th, 2015 - 04:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • axel arg

    THE POSSIBLE ELECTORAL VICTORY, AND THE CLEAR CULTURAL DEFEAT.
    I have always said that something must have changed deeply in Argentina after these long 12 years of kirchnerism, beyond how arrogant C. F. K. is, it's more than evident that a relative majority in the country agrees on the policies applied since 2003, that's why, since many months, even a conservative like Macri, who represents the most reactionary interests of the economic power, has made campaign making a defence of kirchnerist ideas, despite his party voted against almost all measures taken by the government at the congress, in fact, he has said that he is disposed to keep all the achievements that workers could get, beside, he dared to assure that enterprices like aerolineas argentinas, the pensions sistem and ypf'll continue under statal management, which was hardly criticised by some of his followers.
    All these objetive facts show clearly that in the social context of the actual argentina, there is not so much acceptance for his neoliberalism.
    Although i don't believe a word of what he says, it's pretty obvious that many people do, that's why they put him on the second place, beside, i have never discarded a possible electoral victory for his party, but what is undeniable, is the fact that his ideology is suffering a hard cultural defeat, that's the reason why, reality forces him to defend the progressive policies applied by kirchnerism.
    On the other hand, we don't have to forget that in case he wins the election on october 22nd, he will be the weakest president of the last 32 years of democracy, because he won't have a majority in both chambers, beside most provinces are being ruled by parties from the oppostition, which is another fact that shows how extremely difficult will be for him, if he tries to return to the neoliberalism that he loves.

    Oct 26th, 2015 - 04:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Artillero 601

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6V1DSAbv2s

    Oct 26th, 2015 - 04:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • gordo1

    Let the mass of sensible citizens of Argentina take this opportunity to start the funeral “mass” of Peronismo/Kirchenerismo.

    Oct 26th, 2015 - 04:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    Quequi is it your goal to regurgitate common knowledge, because you have succeeded.
    Scioli's numbers have not budged from the PASO. Macri jumped 60%. On top of all that, Kirchner lost the lower house and the largest province in Argentina. Those people will want their newly elected governor to have support at the federal level. Good luck quequi. Oh.....and Jim Caravelle was probably a poor choice as a campaign consultant. It may have worked for Evil Morales, but he can't pull a miracle out of his ass this time.

    Oct 26th, 2015 - 04:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    Do we think CFK regrets falling out so spectacularly with Massa?

    Oct 26th, 2015 - 04:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Artillero 601

    Vamos Mauricio carajo !!

    Oct 26th, 2015 - 04:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pugol-H

    A small window of opportunity opens, for Argentina.

    @ 22 axel arg
    I accept what you say, that some changes which have been made, he is not going to be able to undo any time soon.

    However “most reactionary interests of the economic power”, is this from a North Korean phrase book?

    Oct 26th, 2015 - 04:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Tarquin Fin

    @23 :-)

    I dedicate this to Anibal: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOY2NQdFHuc

    Oct 26th, 2015 - 05:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jonaz_BsAs

    @22
    Neoliberalism, shneoliberalism. Must be the most devirtualized word in modern leftish speak. Hardly any of you know what liberalism is anyway.

    Listen: Argentina has never had any rule based on liberalism, and perhaps even less so under Menem, although your brain is washed in order to make you believe so.

    The last 70 years, however, POPULISM of varying flavors have ruled Argentina. It's all been a big lie.

    If Macri wins, I expect the Peronista-mafia to behave at its worst: Pure destructivism. Soon, 'Gorila' will become be a term of honor.

    Oct 26th, 2015 - 05:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    My “Granito de Arena” for the “Non Turnips” present at this thread...:
    ((15) Mr. Heisenbergcontext, (21) Sr. Enrique Massot, (22) Sr. axel arg, (27) Cabo primero Artillero 601...)

    Think is more than happy with yesterdays presidential election...
    A highly participatory, multi party, peaceful and clean one!!!

    Think is also happy with its results...
    Firstly because it was a nice “Memento Mori” to some that, after 12 years in power, were becoming “too established”...

    Secondly because the coming Ballotage will give all of us a very clear picture of which “Country Project” the majority of us Argentineans want...

    Last but not least because..., unless something very strange happens..., Mr. Scioli and his/our/my “Country Project” will prevail...

    Why do I “Think” so...???
    ..................................................... Let's have a look at yesterdays numbers...:

    On the right corner...:
    Sr. Macri (Conservative/Rightwinger) with ~8,300,000 votes...

    On the left corner...:
    Sr. Scioli (Peronist/Populist) with ~9,000,000 votes...
    Sr. Massa (Peronist/Populist) with ~5,200,000 votes...
    Sr. Del Caño (Socialist/Leftwinger) with ~800,000 votes...
    Sra. Stolbizer Progresist/Lukewarm Leftwinger) with ~600,000 votes...
    And finally..., Sr. Rodríguez Saa (Peronist/Populist) with ~400,000 votes...

    Do the maths...

    Saludos.
    El Think.

    Oct 26th, 2015 - 05:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Artillero 601

    @31 You got the rank wrong but I'm ok with it ! :-)

    Macri will be the next President so Mr Think with all due respect “start getting” use to it . Saludos from the Republic of Texas

    Oct 26th, 2015 - 06:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • toooldtodieyoung

    31 Think

    “.................................................... Let's have a look at yesterdays numbers...:”

    Ah!! The “numbers” game!!! I love me a bit of math .......

    Now can you please, please, PLEASE post the “actual” totals and not the one's where someone from La Campora is counting.

    After all, as any fule kno, 2 + 2 in argentina does not really = 4 now does it?

    chuckle, chuckle..........

    Oct 26th, 2015 - 06:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    There will be a lot of negotiation and intimidation before the run off. Who knows which way it will go at this stage but it is certainly worth it all just watching the CFK devotees squirming and changing their position.

    Oct 26th, 2015 - 06:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (32) Pomi...

    Sorry about the “Wrong Rank”...

    Was inspired by an old 1960's Alberto Olmedo sketch....
    It was about an imaginary military coup in Argentina, where all the high ranking Putsch officers were granting themselves the diverse ministries...
    The Economy ministry went to a General Galtieri...
    The Industry ministry went to a General Videla...
    The Foreign ministry went to a General Viola...

    And so on and so forth..., until they reached the less desirable post, forcing a certain Cabo Primero Menendez to become Education Minister...

    Quite funny ;-)))

    Oct 26th, 2015 - 06:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Klingon

    So far today we have not heard a peep from the wicked witch.
    I bet she has steam blowing out her ears.
    She may yet have to dash off quickly to Venezuela to escape the wave of corruption charges coming her way.

    Oct 26th, 2015 - 06:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    Think's analysis is right up there with the polls projectiing Scioli with a “Massive Margin” as well as Hanibel “Lecter” Fernandez. He soundly lost the Province of Argentina to MArci's group. The Fvp lost the lower house. 64% voted against Scioli and Kirchner. But why argue as it's pissing in the wind. November 22 will tell the full story.

    Oct 26th, 2015 - 06:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Enrique Massot

    A lot will be happening from now to Nov. 22.
    Macri, particularly, will keep his contortions, trying to show he can be all things to everybody.
    A white knight for the poor (he has promised to work for “zero poverty”) while being also a staunch defender of corporations and estancieros (he has promised to eliminate tax on exports) willing to lower wages to lower production costs.
    He has promised to be a free-enterprise champion while ensuring that AA and YPF remain under the state, and also to keep the Universal Child Allocation (even if he voted against in the Legislature).
    Will take a lot of dancing for sure!

    Oct 26th, 2015 - 07:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Artillero 601

    @ 33 LMAO !

    @35 :-)

    Oct 26th, 2015 - 08:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    Come people, come,
    respect for the departed,

    R.I.P. CFK

    Chuckle.

    Oct 26th, 2015 - 08:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Voice

    22nd November!!!

    The day Kennedy was shot

    The day Margaret Thatcher was sacked

    Not a good day for incumbents!

    Chuckle chuckle. :-)

    Oct 26th, 2015 - 08:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Enrique Massot

    #40 Briton
    You wish, dear!

    Oct 26th, 2015 - 11:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Klingon

    Reekie is like wounded dog licking his ass trying to console himself.
    Relax Reekie, it won't be long till we hear the screeching from that mangy old crow vowing to retake las Malvinas and return once again to glory.
    We heard from Animal this morning mumbling on about how he lost due to Lanatta exposing him for the Narco he is.

    Oct 27th, 2015 - 12:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    Briton, not quite dead........but I can hear the steam venting from her nose and ass. She's been quite and she probably will be through to 11/22 to try and disassociate herself with scioli. I suspect for now they have her sedated and on a lithium drip.
    You can read in the post of some canadiense argentinos that disdain for Macri. Maybe the (he has promised to eliminate tax on exports) killed the exports. He seems to think the leader is supposed to serve one sector of the population....the poor. Quequi, what do you think is better....a job or a hand out? Simple question....can you answer it succinctly?

    si siente si siente Mauricio for Presidente!.....Com'on quequi......you can sing it!!

    64% anti kirchner.

    Jujuy lost 50 years of peronista rule.

    Buenos Aires list a peronista governorship

    257 seats in the legislative branch and now peronistas have 117 seats. They lost seats in the last presidential elections as well......a downward trend. 45% peronistas and 55% anti-peronistas.

    Wounded dong Klingon....lol. Yup, only he needs to stop licking his balls and start tending to his ass.

    6500 miles up north and has not been in Argentina in over 30 years yet he has the audacity to claim he knows what is going on. Get a live quequi and face reality. The people of Argentina are fed up with the bullshit.

    si siente si siente Mauricio for Presidente!.....Com'on quequi......you can sing it!!

    Oct 27th, 2015 - 01:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Heisenbergcontext

    @31 Think

    Like everyone has been stating, it all comes down to what Massa's supporters want. A lot of things can happen between now and 22/11. Personally I'm happy that the smart, decent Argentines ( I trust they know who they are ) who sometimes post here are happy with this result.

    For myself I'm glad that there are limits on what bully's like Anibal Fernandez can now do and that the chances of a sensible approach to the Falkland Islands can now, possibly be developed. If Argentina is ever going to be honest with itself about why it wants them, it will have to be a process and the best hope of beginning that process will start with Macri's election.

    Oct 27th, 2015 - 02:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Klingon

    The K klan are like rats fighting and scattering to get away from the shit storm coming.
    Scoli doesn't need to cuddle up to the K's any longer and may just turf out Zannini as vice and get someone else in. (Maybe Massa)

    Oct 27th, 2015 - 02:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    Maximo and Alicia are elected so the K's are still around and CFK has said she will stay in politics - she has to if she wants to keep the bodies buried.

    The debate is fierce in Argentina. Scioli's supporters are in shock, especially as he acted like he had won and then had to back-track furiously. His advisors told him to distance himself from CFK - she is poisonous to him now.

    Marci has run an efficient campaign - very U.S. is style - lots of razzmatazz.

    Really the debate will pin both down to some real issues and is where this will be decided. What is very apparent is that the Argentine people see change as the key.

    Oct 27th, 2015 - 03:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcos Alejandro

    9 The Voice “Look and learn… !”
    England rugby and dwarf-throwing? No thanks I like Pumas much better.

    .http://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2011/sep/15/dwarf-throwing-england-rugby

    23 Artillero 601
    Milico copión :-)

    Oct 27th, 2015 - 03:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Enrique Massot

    Even under shock, Kirchner officials have acknowledged their less-than-good results and recognized those who have won positions as it's to be done in democracy.
    It can't be said the same of most contributors in this board, whose vindictiveness matches only the most virulent opposition members in Argentina.
    Wonder where all the claims of fraud (fraud was a true fact for some posters here too) were gone in light of the opposition's better-than-expected results.
    Not that long ago, that same opposition argued cried fool and tried to quash an election in Tucumán when voters supported the officialism.
    Looking from the outside, for me the true democrats are the Kirchnerists. Macri et al, instead, are ready to use any tactics to grab the power.

    Oct 27th, 2015 - 04:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @49 Calm down, old man.

    No one has won yet. We don't know if there has been, or will be, vote buying and fraud. All we know is there was no clear result and there will be a run off.

    We do know that Scioli went from making a premature victory speech to very quiet. Awkward.

    The debate should be a good opportunity to get some clarity on the candidates' policies.

    Oct 27th, 2015 - 05:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    From the mouths of actual Argentine's actually voting and not a Canadiense:

    If the results released were that close, imagine what they really were?

    Argentino's do not trust anyone of there current government. Funny thing even Lecter Fernandez reports that evening had him winning the province. Yet that pobrecito is spitting at the mouth up in Canada.

    James Caravalle is advising Scioli.

    Oct 27th, 2015 - 10:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jonaz_BsAs

    @50
    Wrong. We do know there has been vote buying and fraud. There hasn't been an election in Argentina without fraud, ever. However, the anti-K sentiment in the country is so strong that the standard level of fraud - typically estimated at 5% - isn't enough for the K-scum to stay in power.

    Oct 27th, 2015 - 11:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @52 Fair enough.

    Speaking with friends in BsAs last night (early morning here) this result has sparked fierce debate amongst voters. I think the voters really are split between the main candidates. The debates will be the window dressing, the deals behinds the scenes will decide the result.

    Oct 27th, 2015 - 11:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Artillero 601

    @48 jajajaja !!!

    Oct 27th, 2015 - 01:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    The trolls are awfully quiet.

    Oct 27th, 2015 - 03:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @55 They are waiting to see who they are going to back, because they always supported *insert winner's name* who is really a Kirchnerite through and through and will continue The Model.

    Oct 27th, 2015 - 03:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Zaphod102

    @36 “So far today we have not heard a peep from the wicked witch.
    I bet she has steam blowing out her ears.
    She may yet have to dash off quickly to Venezuela to escape the wave of corruption charges coming her way.”

    You could be correct. She has said nothing and Apparently she has left on a plane somewhere allegedly on her way to attend some sort of commemoration of her husband's death tomorrow. Or something like that.

    Macri has commented on her lack of communication...

    Could she have realised that the game is up and she's preparing for her departure? We shall see...

    Oct 27th, 2015 - 04:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    I read she had said that she will continue to be a political activist. She is not going far with her son in office. JMO

    Oct 27th, 2015 - 04:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Enrique Massot

    #52 Jonaz
    Interesting how opponents of the Victory Front magically translate speculation into fact.
    “We do know...the standard level of fraud - typically estimated at 5%...”
    Wide-eyed Jonaz believes there has been fraud--that, for him, makes it real.
    “There hasn't been an election in Argentina without fraud, ever,” Jonaz concludes.
    Jonaz: There is not a single report on fraud occurrence in the last election. Claims such as those made in Tucumán were never proven.

    Oct 27th, 2015 - 04:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ezekielman

    Has Ol' Gargoyle Face had anything to say about this disastrous result or is she still celebrating Scioli's heroic victory? We think we should be told.

    Oct 27th, 2015 - 04:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Artillero 601

    @58 Elaine, assuming that you can read Spanish in “ La Nacion” today, read the article “ El imperdonable error de confiar en los argentinos” , explains a lot of things :-)

    Oct 27th, 2015 - 06:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @61 Thanks for the heads up.

    Oct 27th, 2015 - 06:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jonaz_BsAs

    @59
    Do you know what “punteros” are? Every person in Argentina with more than half a brain know that voter fraud/bribing happen at large scale. The Peronist party has always had a tremendous apparatus in the Conurbano in order to control the masses. That's why Massa went from front-runner to 20% - because he got the intendente/punteros estalishment against him. Internet is full of proofs of voting fraud in Argentina during the K-regime. You'll find it, if you know how to use Google.

    Oh, btw, I happen to know people who have worked as punteros. They have told me how this works. It is well known that if you control the Conurbano, you control Argentina. Just ask Zannini, that happen to be his speciality.

    I advise you to check the results in Formosa and Misiones, where poverty-stricken municipios had Scioli in the 85-90% range. These are provinces where children die of malnutrition on a daily basis. Why the hell would these people vote for the incumbent party?

    Oct 27th, 2015 - 06:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pugol-H

    @58 ElaineB
    UNASUR Parliament minister for the Malvinas, operating from a Uruguayan embassy somewhere?

    Oct 27th, 2015 - 06:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    Are you lot saying that CFK is not part of the walking dead...
    mmmm
    still
    she must surely be on her way, when all that plastic melts.

    Oct 27th, 2015 - 07:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Argentinean turnip at (63) says...:
    “I happen to know people who have worked as ”Punteros“. They have told me how this works.”

    I say...:
    “I happen to know people who work as ”Punteros too. But they have NOT told me “how this works.”

    Would you PLEEEEASE share with us “how it works”...
    HOW can a “Puntero” (or anybody else for that matter) control, influence or EVEN know, whom the voter votes for once he/she has entered the ballot boot?

    PLEEEEEASE?

    Oct 27th, 2015 - 08:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jonaz_BsAs

    @66

    Suck at at this, for a start - you two-time loser. Your time is UP!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPF3ziVQAE8

    Oct 27th, 2015 - 08:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Argentinean Turnip at (66)

    I have seen that Al Jazeera video already in 2008...
    It only shows how the “Punteros” TRY to INFLUENCE people to vote for a certain candidate...

    Question was...:
    HOW can a “Puntero” (or anybody else for that matter) control, influence or EVEN know, whom the voter votes for once he/she has entered the ballot booth?

    In Spanish now, in case you don't understand my English...:
    ¿Como hace un puntero (o qualquier otro) para controlar, influenciar o SIQUIERA saber por quién votó un elector dentro del cuarto oscuro?

    ¿Entendió la pregunta...?
    ¿Dificil ehhhhh...?

    Oct 27th, 2015 - 09:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Artillero 601

    “Los hermanos sean unidos porque esta es la ley primera ... ” Do I continue ?

    Oct 27th, 2015 - 09:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    “ESA es la ley primera”...
    BURRO....
    ;-)

    Oct 27th, 2015 - 09:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    At least we know that if Macri wins the election Think will believe it is the will of the majority and be entirely supportive.

    Oct 27th, 2015 - 09:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    TWIMC
    What I know for sure is that Mr. Macri should win the ballottage, I would know it is the will of the majority and I would oppose him with peaceful political means every single day of his well earned four years term...

    Oct 27th, 2015 - 09:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jonaz_BsAs

    What I know for sure is if Cristina, Amadou, Anibal and the rest of the crew were to suddenly admit it all: “Yes we were corrupt to the marrow and stole billions of US$”, Think & Massot would STILL insist that the K-gov't was clean. These guys are simply impervious to facts - it's like arguing with a brick wall.

    Oct 27th, 2015 - 10:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Argentinean turnip at (73)

    Sooooo... No answer whatsoever to my question at (68), I can see....
    Too difficult for your limited intelligence, I reckon...

    I can't speak for Mr. Massot but..., it goes without saying that if any of the personages you mention above, admitted to be corrupt or were found guilty of corruption in a court of law..., I would be the first to applaud a proper punishment...

    Try to grow up, pebete...

    Oct 27th, 2015 - 10:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    We know what happens when someone offers up evidence against the K's.

    Oct 27th, 2015 - 11:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    They commit suicide or go off the grid.

    Oct 28th, 2015 - 02:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Aureliano

    @67
    More ''punteros and clientelismo'' fresh from the oven, right here.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8I8WOBmolY

    No matter how hard they try, Macri will win this one way or another.
    Another day and there hasn't been any ''cadena nacional''. Looks like they are still in shock and trying to come out with an excuse.

    Meanwhile cyber Ks militants are desperately promoting widespread fear throughout different social medias telling people that if they vote for Macri, we will go back to the 90s (despite being governed by a peronist back then who privatized everything). All in an attempt to scare and generate fear.
    They are running out of options and they are playing the fear card. I can sense that desperation from miles away.
    Your time is coming to an end.

    Oct 28th, 2015 - 03:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcos Alejandro

    75 ElaineB
    We know what happens when someone offers up evidence against lying deceitful scumbag Tony who should be facing war crimes.

    Oct 28th, 2015 - 03:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Enrique Massot

    #75 Elaine
    “We know what happens when someone offers up evidence against the K's.”
    I notice “K” opponents prodigally use insults, especially misogynist ones targeted at CFK.
    They also, such as Elaine in the quote above, take speculation and use it as fact to back their contempt for anything “K.” This, in spite the fact the Kirchners' have governed for a decade without using force to suppress peaceful demonstrations--as it was the norm before them. In this case Elaine disingenuously tries once more to use the Nisman case, in a display of either total ignorance or bad faith. Cptn Poppy picks up the line and tries to make some more hay out of it at #76.

    Oct 28th, 2015 - 04:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ilsen

    some funny shit here;
    http://www.bubblear.com/elecciones2015-best-memes/

    Oct 28th, 2015 - 05:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Frank

    @77.... what are the odds the K's don't have enough money left in petty cash to buy votes a second time.

    If I'd been paid 'x' pesos to vote for the K Kronies last week I'd be looking for '5x' in November

    Oct 28th, 2015 - 06:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @77 ”Meanwhile cyber Ks militants are desperately promoting widespread fear throughout different social medias telling people that if they vote for Macri, we will go back to the 90s (despite being governed by a peronist back then who privatized everything). All in an attempt to scare and generate fear.”

    Absolutely. The conversation I just had with friends in BsAs. They are all over social media spreading the fear.

    Oct 28th, 2015 - 11:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • redp0ll

    @81. Yes they will take the 5x quite happily and then vote for someone else. It's called “viveza criolla”

    Oct 28th, 2015 - 12:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Artillero 601

    @70 close enough ? :-)

    @78 I will be in Baires celebrating my 30 Anniversary at the CMN , are you coming ?? lol

    Oct 28th, 2015 - 01:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Tarquin Fin

    After reading this article: http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1840461-anibal-fernandez-a-la-unica-que-reinvindico-es-a-cristina-kirchner
    Sunday's “Surprise” seems now to have been quite predictable.

    Unless Cristina does something to show that the front is still united, there is a strong chance that Scioli will step down.

    Oct 28th, 2015 - 02:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    “Cptn Poppy picks up the line and tries to make some more hay out of it at #76.”

    Unlike you in post after post about Macri and his “lofty goal” of zero poverty.

    Do as I say and not as I do.......is that it quequi? Lick your ass as well as your balls quequi, because more wounds are on the way. Jujuy, Corrientes, Mendoza and Buenos AIres are Provinces of Macri. A combined population of almost 21 millones QQ. It's time for your hay to be bailed.

    Oct 28th, 2015 - 05:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pugol-H

    @ 72 Think
    What, mate, why go to all that hard work and effort, why not just stick your head back up your arse for the duration.

    You never know things might be all right when you pull it out again, if you leave it for long enough.

    @ 78 Marcos Alejandro
    They would get big money offers from tabloid newspapers and become famous overnight.

    You do know there is a “war crimes tribunal”, should you or anybody else wish to make a complaint.

    Although be advised that they will want to see actual “evidence”.

    Oct 28th, 2015 - 06:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcos Alejandro

    87 Pugol-H
    ”Although be advised that they will want to see actual “evidence”.

    Let's start with Blair's own words a few days ago:
    “I apologise for the fact that the intelligence we received was wrong.

    “I also apologise for some of the mistakes in planning and, certainly, our mistake in our understanding of what would happen once you removed the regime.”

    @84 Only if I can borrow your Bushmaster BA50.

    Oct 29th, 2015 - 03:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @88 I see we agree on something as we both think Blair and CFK are criminals.

    Oct 29th, 2015 - 02:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Voice

    Marcos, Think, Voice, Nostril, and the other prize turnips. Its all slipping awaaaaaaay…… You lot will loose your funding as the stolen funds run out. Hey ho the witch is dead!

    Oct 29th, 2015 - 03:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Hey, MercoPress.....

    Shouldn't you be informing your brainwashed Falklandist turnipy Anglo readers about the late developments about the Engrish Pirate Oil Adventure in the South Atlantic?
    The news have been out there for about 24 hours!!!
    DUSTERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR...
    As me good mate Borgo always says...
    Here comes the Sun...!
    Chuckle chuckle...

    Oct 29th, 2015 - 04:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ezekielman

    Brainwashing? The gorgeous Corruptina Fernandez de Kirchner has been entertaining Latin America by spending millions and millions to brainwash the Argentine people into thinking they have a claim to the Falklands. Schoolchildren are compelled to sing a song in class about this great “cause”, buses are legally obliged to be painted with maps of the Falklands, bank notes feature the map, too, and the Kirchner regime has been doing its utmost to strangle the Falklands economy. But she has failed. The Falkland islanders are prosperous and thriving while Argentines know Ol' Gargoyle Face's brainwashing campaign is a political stunt to hide the reality of her failed government. Meanwhile, of course, she and her cronies have stolen the country's reserves. But the truth is destined to come out when Antonio Jaime Stiuso uploads all those memory sticks he has kept. Just wait and see, compadres.

    Oct 29th, 2015 - 05:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pugol-H

    @ 88 Marcos Alejandro
    Then why still, has no case been brought???????????????

    Oct 29th, 2015 - 05:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    TWIMC
    If Mercopress doesn't inform them Turnips, I will inform them Turnips..

    FOGL shares down 35,80% today...
    DUSTERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR...!!!

    BOR shares down 26,15% today...
    (My Scottish financial advisor, Mr. DoveoverDover, bought me some of those a couple of years ago for around one Sovereign per share... Today they are worth less than a Tilbury..
    That makes me a paper loss of about 99% :-)))

    Oct 29th, 2015 - 05:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Voice

    TWIMC Mr Stink is gloating over sinking share prices . :-) Do the Islander care, they do not. All that lovely drilling licence money rolling in. All that lovely money from oilfield support installations rolling in. Average FI salary three times that of Argy turnips. No unemployment, no crime, no corrupt politicians or police, safe, peaceful small country, great education groceries from Waitrose, whats not to celebrate?

    Sorry Stink - FAIL!

    Oct 29th, 2015 - 06:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Artillero 601

    @ 88 Deal !!

    Oct 29th, 2015 - 09:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (96) Pomi

    Firstly, it is illegal in Argentina to borrow a gun to an unlicensed person.
    (Look what happened to Diego Lagomarsino)...

    Secondly, I don't THINK, RENAR has given you permission to introduce that Bushmaster into our Country...

    Thirdly, you NEVER, EVER BORROW ANYTHING TO A BOSTERO..., porque esa es la ley primera ;-)

    Oct 29th, 2015 - 09:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ezekielman

    94 Think
    Some expert opinions on poor, bankrupt, corrupt, Third World Argentina to keep you thinking.
    The Washington Post: “The economy is stagnant, the fiscal deficit unsustainable and growing, foreign and domestic investment pathetic, inflation running at 30 percent, drug-related violence rising and the country remains an outcast in the international financial community.”
    USA Today: “The reality is that Argentina is a completely irresponsible government,” says John Baker, professor emeritus at Louisiana State University Law Centre. “They have taken a very rich country and destroyed it financially. … Without the discipline of having to be responsible to somebody, there's never any hope of change down there.”
    Arturo Porzecanski, the distinguished economist, says the Kirchner regime gave up trying to solve Argentina’s problems, it decided to leave them to the next administration. The host of problems Porzecanski lists include energy, trade, exports and imports, government spending, the tax system, huge deficiencies in the national bank, problems with price controls, import controls, exchange controls, the list goes on and on. Porzecanski calls Argentina a lawless rogue debtor.
    No one could put it better. A lawless rogue debtor. We send our pity and sympathy to you.

    Oct 30th, 2015 - 12:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ynsere

    I'm afraid I don't think Argentina's Malvinas Myth is going to be left aside, whoever wins the elections. But at least the new voices won't be as strident and irritating, at least until it becomes necessary to distract public attention. In fact, things may become worse if the new gov't. decides to build up the currently useless Argentine armed forces. Islanders, be forever vigilant and never trust an Arg

    Oct 30th, 2015 - 12:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcos Alejandro

    97 Think
    :-)))
    I might need Pomi's rifle on Sunday if we don't win..

    Another duster?
    Investor comment:
    “Only down 35% on the day, that's not too bad considering the size of the dusty fart that got announced this morning”:-)))))))

    Oct 30th, 2015 - 01:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Voice

    Marcos Bahahahaha looser.... Unemployment looming. Argie turnips pelotudo par excellence!

    Oct 30th, 2015 - 01:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcos Alejandro

    101 The Voice
    Looser:
    Idiotic way of spelling “loser”. Most often used by teens and adults with no more than a 2nd grade grammar level.

    Oct 30th, 2015 - 01:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • golfcronie

    @100
    You obviously have not read the FOGL RNS have you? Humpback had oil and gas shows but was not considered commercial, it was not a duster, you probably do not know what a duster is. Poor lamb.

    Oct 30th, 2015 - 03:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Artillero 601

    @97 & @ 100

    He is a Bostero ? never mind !!! :-)

    Anyways , I wasn't thinking about all that tedious paperwork like you just mentioned Mr Think . You can just transfer the “ weapon” through Uruguaiana like the “ muchachos idealistas de los 70” used to do ... do you know what I mean ? ;-) !!

    Oct 30th, 2015 - 07:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Voice

    Losing your way Marcos? The old turkey is going to get roasted and losers like you are going to loose your stipends. You lost tonight and will continue losing like you did in 82.

    Oct 30th, 2015 - 10:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (104) Pomi

    Sorry I didn't answer you sooner but many things had to be prepared for tomorrow... (Patagonia's fishing season grand opening :-)

    Smuggling arms from Uruguaiana huhhhhhhhh?

    You know which escalafón a pretty white miliquito Tejargentino like you will occupy in a Brazilian prison?
    http://www.revistaafuera.com/image/imagenesfck/RaicesImagen2.JPG

    Oct 31st, 2015 - 10:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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