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The defense of the Falklands must take centre stage in Anglo-Chinese relations

Wednesday, October 28th 2015 - 08:41 UTC
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By Alex Calvo (*) - Chinese Leader Xi Jinping’s state visit to the United Kingdom has been met with grand-sounding headlines, including references to a “golden era”. Public statements by both governments have focused on growing economic links, while some voices referred to human rights and US commentators expressed their concern at London’s closeness to Beijing at a time of increased tensions in the Indo-Pacific, above all the South China Sea. Read full article

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  • Brit Bob

    'Beijing explicitly and consistently supports Buenos Aires’ claims to the Falklands' ??

    https://www.academia.edu/10490336/Argentinas_Illegitimate_Sovereignty_Claims

    https://www.academia.edu/10490336/Argentinas_Illegitimate_Sovereignty_Claims

    Oct 28th, 2015 - 09:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • brasherboot

    Argies thought they'd pulled a fast one with their relationships with China.

    Now theyre going to find out about British diplomatic and economic capabilitities

    Oct 28th, 2015 - 10:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • V0ice

    I thought the Chinese takeover of the UK would have started out small......but the nuclear industry? How long will it be before the diplomatic and economic capabilities are determined in Peking?

    bahahahahahahaha!

    Oct 28th, 2015 - 10:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Voice

    Groan… another vocal ignoramus! The Chinese will be supervised by the UK Nuclear Inspectorate who will ensure that everything is tickety boo right down to the last tiny detail.
    As for Chinese support for Argentina fake claim to the Falklands, who cares? The Islanders and the UK Government will decide their destiny, no-one else.

    Oct 28th, 2015 - 11:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • aussiesunshinee

    while The Uk keeps on spending on defence with big budgets...back home
    the people are getting poorer and poorer....diseases like tuberculosis
    are rising all over the UK with higher cases higher than third world countries like Rwanda or Iraq.......
    http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/malnutrition-and-other-victorian-diseases-soari

    Oct 28th, 2015 - 11:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    #5
    Well, that should make you happy then....where is “back home” from where you are located.

    Cases higher than Iraq and Rwanda..? Who the f***k knows what is going on these countries. Certainly not you.

    As to bigger defence budgets, it's because of arseholes like you we need to keep up our guard.

    Oct 28th, 2015 - 12:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • brasherboot

    At #5.

    Don't worry too much about our defence spending. We can afford it.

    Btw: By 2030 its predicted (by Goldman Sachs) that the UK will have a larger economy than Germany. How about yours?

    Oct 28th, 2015 - 01:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Voice

    Fake Aussie TB is an imported disease twat, mostly immigrants from the Indian subcontinent bring it in. This topic is about China not imported disease. Do try to keep up.

    Oct 28th, 2015 - 01:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Earthfarmer

    The British claim on the Malvinas is so laughable. I'm surprised England can claim anything these days as a second-rate world power. They will ultimately have to call on the USA for help as they always have. Hopefully, as the USA is broke, they will not waste their time and money even thinking about helping the “Queens subjects” in the Malvinas.

    Oct 28th, 2015 - 01:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    @5. We, the people, have this wonderful plan. When we finally get out of the EU, we have terrific ideas. We can start by cutting off benefits for scroungers. Like children living in their home countries. Next might be benefits for dependents. No job? Leave because there won't be any money. Then the others without jobs. Found in the country beyond a specified date and it's deportation. I reckon by this time that no EU migrants will want to be here. Then we can turn to the non-EU migrants. We can use the Police National Computer to find a lot. No job, on benefits? Custody until deported. The result? Lots of housing, lots of available benefits, lots of jobs. Human Rights Act? We'll repeal that. Then the most the ECtHR could do would be to suggest an opinion. And British courts can be directed to put British law first.

    And we shouldn't forget that there's no point in worrying about education, healthcare or housing if someone's occupied or destroyed your country. It's about priorities.
    @6. Agreed.
    @7. Also agreed.

    How about an extra £550 million to spend every day? What does the EU do for the British people that Britain couldn't do for itself? However did we manage before the EU? We shouldn't forget that when the EU “gives” us money, it's our money!

    Perhaps we'll have an Irish-type solution for scotland. Divide it north to south. The ones that want independence can have one part and the ones that want to stick with the UK get the other part.

    Oct 28th, 2015 - 02:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Just_out_for_a_sTroLL

    Goldman Sachs??? HAHAHAHA. The people famous for honest, angl0-saxon values like these:

    http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2010/04/19/goldman-sachs-and-the-art-of-ripping-your-clients-.aspx

    “”Traders and salesmen would boast about 'ripping the face off' their clients -- structuring and selling complicated deals that clients did not understand but that generated huge profits for the bank that was brokering the trade.”

    So, if the future of the global economy is corrupt, criminal banking activities led by debauched, thieving, duplicitous, morally barren Anglos... Then yes, in fact by 2030 the UK may surpass China at that point! 7% growth guaranteed for the Anglo.

    If however the future is honest production of goods, sane regulation of banking, full refrain from invading other countries to steal their resources, and good food and healthy teeth... then by 2030 the UK will be looking up at Poland no doubt.

    And btw, Goldman Sachs can't predict what will happen in the 3rd quarter of 2016, and the fools here are placing their bets on 2030 (that's 58 quarters from now...)

    hahaha, deluded morons. Anglos will be Anglos.

    Oct 28th, 2015 - 02:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Vestige

    A rather one sided piece being used by mercopress yet again, quel surprise.
    The delusion of grandeur is of course present as ever, with a laughable presumption that China can be told not to sell jets to Argentina or else...
    Yeah, that works, with Sweden, or Israel at a push.
    Fc-1s are on the way, the opvs being a good example of Chinas co-operation and will.

    Oct 28th, 2015 - 02:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • zathras

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcKqkq27ffk Last Flight :-(

    Oct 28th, 2015 - 02:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Tobers

    If however the future is honest production of goods, sane regulation of banking, full refrain from invading other countries to steal their resources, and good food and healthy teeth... then by 2030 the UK will be looking up at Poland no doubt.

    Apart from the teeth bit you could be describing argentina. Btw argentine footballer higuain needs to be told he has british teeth.

    Oct 28th, 2015 - 02:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Just_out_for_a_sTroLL

    @13

    I have always stated Argentina has no economic future. I dish the good and the bad. I am not a blind patriot.

    Oct 28th, 2015 - 02:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Voice

    Did you say patriot or parrot?

    Shut up, and slink back to your cell!

    Oct 28th, 2015 - 03:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • SebaSvtz

    “which claims the Falklands ...and without renouncing the use of force”

    I am afraid that the last sentence is not entirely accurate. The same (absurd) constitutional provision that sets the (absurd) claim over the FI states that “ ... The recovery of said territories and the full exercise of sovereignty, respectful of the way of life of their inhabitants and according to the principles of international law, are a permanent
    and unrelinquished goal”. (Temporary provisions, first. http://www.biblioteca.jus.gov.ar/argentina-constitution.pdf)

    Unless Mr Calvo considers that the use of force (to gain territories) is a principle of international law, I don´t see where it says that argentina does not renounce to the use of force. Not even our most retarded officials , not even TMBofBA has even named the use of force.

    I am very disappointed, and if he failed in such simple concept, I wonder what else could be wrong in that article. Sad.

    I am one of those who think that building close ties with China is a risk. I am all for business, but marriage is a different story. They will f*ck us up, period.

    funny, we have heard for ages that the “evil Brits” would take patagonia away from us. Now we are gladly giving it to the Chinese. oh, the irony.

    @9 That is so North Korea...

    Oct 28th, 2015 - 03:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    @11. You need to keep up-to-date. Pakistan has only just started testing the Block 2. Years to go yet. And it's not up to a Typhoon.
    @13. Beat me to it.
    @16. Curious, as I thought argieland was aiming to become a cross between North Korea and Zimbabwe. And, no, it's so “Our people first”.

    Oct 28th, 2015 - 04:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • SebaSvtz

    @ 16

    well, 4 more years of kirchnerites and we´ll be quite close.

    What you say can be done in a smart way, keeping and letting hard working people to live in the UK and kicking the hell out of the parasites.

    Oct 28th, 2015 - 04:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    #11
    F1-C... bring em on....they make good target practice.

    Wistful thinking by the terminally deluded. As if it would make any difference.

    Oct 28th, 2015 - 04:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • SebaSvtz

    Sorry I meant @ 17 at my @ 18 comment.
    My bad.

    Oct 28th, 2015 - 04:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pugol-H

    @16 SebaSvtz
    We have noticed in the past that the GoA’s interpretation of international law, or UN resolutions for that matter, can be very different from our own understanding of them.

    In fact completely the fu*king opposite of what you think they say and/or mean.

    Given the selective editing of resolution 2065, I would fully expect to hear:

    “ ... The recovery of said territories and the full exercise of sovereignty, are a permanent and unrelinquished goal of international law, irrespective of the way of life of their inhabitants and according to the principle of any means necessary.”

    As being what the constitution actually, really, was meant to be interpreted as saying, when you understand it properly!

    Oct 28th, 2015 - 06:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    first and foremost duty of Her Majesty’s Government is to protect the Queen’s subjects,

    But in Cameron's case, this is second to profits,
    nothing gets in the way of business,

    if you jump into bed with the devil, then expect to be burnt,

    we can deal with China and Argentina in our own way,

    but giving them access to our nuclear technology and other things may well prove to be a Chinese order to far.

    just saying like

    Oct 28th, 2015 - 07:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    @3 wee man, drivel

    one really has to wonder what motivated the wee “voice” to make such an unsolicited, unprovoked slag against Britain that sound unlikely to come from a real Dunoonian who would have common interest.

    Interesting that it was merely the first salvo from a cavalcade of similar mealy-mouthed Trolls like Nostrils, Vestige, Fake Aussie, et al...

    They all seem to have received the same memo with an identical agenda.

    Fake Scotsman, Fake Aussie, fake Argies....

    Just saying-like...

    They

    Oct 28th, 2015 - 11:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Vestige

    Who'd pretend to be Scottish.

    Thats like pretending to have crabs.

    Oct 29th, 2015 - 12:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    Crabs?

    That's like pretending to be a persona known as “Vestige”

    Oct 29th, 2015 - 12:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Vestige

    Hello Troy...

    http://sixtiescity.net/Anderson/Images/AND070.jpg

    ...you've seriously got the gayest name ever.

    Oct 29th, 2015 - 12:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anbar

    “”“”“”“ How long will it be before the diplomatic and economic capabilities are determined in Peking?”“”“”“”

    Liquid Thorium Reactors... look it up - note LIQUID, none of that silly Indian stuff with pressurised water reactors etc.

    Once China perfect the LFTRs then they own the world..end of.

    Oct 29th, 2015 - 01:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    #24
    Sorry, but you could not qualify to be Scottish. To do so would require some evidence of intelligence and common sense. Sadly lacking in your case.

    Why not settle for third rate Argentinian.... that seems to fit your profile.

    Oct 29th, 2015 - 06:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pugol-H

    @26 Vestige
    Oh, and vestige is just so butch and he-man hetro, like.

    Oct 29th, 2015 - 06:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ezekielman

    The Chinese are willing to pay lip service to discredited politicians around the world such as Corruptina Fernandez de Kirchner but they have absolutely no interest in her farcical claim to the Falklands. Beijing knows it is becoming more and more embroiled in numerous territorial disputes over isolated islands in the South China Sea, especially the Spratly archipelago. At a time when the United States has demonstrated its military might by sailing into Spratly's waters, China has to tread very carefully in disputes over territory. The Falklands are the last thing it cares about. Corruptina's Falklands fantasy is heading deeper and deeper into the depths of the South Atlantic.

    Oct 29th, 2015 - 08:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Hepatia

    Looks like the Brits are starting to get desperate.

    As outlined in this article the UK will be returning the Malvinas within the next 25 years.

    Oct 30th, 2015 - 02:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ilsen

    @26 Vestige, (and ref: @29 P-H :-)

    So 'gay' is now an insult?
    haha!
    The 1950s just rang in, they asked for you to come home. Time for your Night-Nurse and bed-socks.

    Oct 30th, 2015 - 02:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    @32 ilsen

    LOL,

    Vestige is so late to the game... and in SO many ways!!

    A “vestige” of 50's Argentine delusional arrogance, nothing more.

    Oct 30th, 2015 - 03:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    just noticed this in the above article

    There have been some speculation about a naval variant of this plane, which would multiply its potential value for Buenos Aires.

    What would they fly it from...a raft ?

    Oct 30th, 2015 - 09:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    Looks like the Brits are starting to get desperate

    says-Hepatia
    explain scientific friend explain,
    perhaps you got confused between 25 years and your desperation ...

    Oct 30th, 2015 - 12:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Vestige

    32- that you construed it as an insult just shows your own bias. Would 'most Italian name' or 'most 60s name' ever be understood as an insult?

    Shame on you and your cis fascist priviledged neanderthal ways. Shame. Im both offended and triggered.

    Oct 30th, 2015 - 01:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    @36 Vestige

    “ ...Im both offended and triggered.”

    Offended, you.... ? ? ?

    LOL... self righteous silliness... ha ha ha...!!

    @36 Vestige the homophobe,

    “that you construed it as an insult just shows your own bias. Would 'most Italian name' or 'most 60s name' ever be understood as an insult? ”

    You are the funniest - obviously, you don't have the courage of your convictions - and you are BACKING DOWN!!

    Vestige @26
    “...you've seriously got the gayest name ever.”

    If you are not insulting me by saying my name is “gay”, exactly what DO you mean??
    Surely you are not complimenting me, are you??

    Yep, laughing at you.... :-)

    Oct 30th, 2015 - 02:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pugol-H

    @ 32 ilsen
    So 'gay' is now an insult?

    Err, yeh, for some time now common parlance in the vernacular.

    Used far more often nowadays as an insult than to refer to someone’s sexuality.

    Unless of course you’re living on another planet, or in the rarefied atmosphere of PCdom, where street language, what the common people speak, doesn’t penetrate.

    I wouldn’t know about the 50s, wasn’t around.

    But I can tell you that the meaning of words changes, like Dyke common use amongst LBGT people, the N word amongst black people, gay as an insult.

    The Gay Gordons, a bagpipe tune, with no reference to homosexuality whatsoever, means their happy, that’s all.

    Oct 30th, 2015 - 05:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Vestige

    I stand by my original assertion.
    Troy Tempest is a very gay name.
    Doesn't mean gay is bad. Just means that name sounds like it belongs to a member of a demographic or subgroup.

    For example. You can probably accurately assume, on average, the personal traits for some of the following names:
    Tyrone and LeBron.
    Ainsley and Nigel.
    Svetlana and Natasha.
    Chaim and Mosha.
    Fritz and Hans.
    Bruno and Butch and TroyTempest and Diesel and Sebastian the pool boy.
    Margaret and Pol and Joseph and Adolf.

    Oct 30th, 2015 - 06:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • PepperJohn

    This article is pure propagnada. Sucks. It seems that Calvo is well paid to say what he says. We are getting used to your prpaganda, over and over again. Calvo is a clown.

    read the truth about malvinas https://factsandfictionsofmalvinasislands.wordpress.com/2015/10/09/booklet-argentinas-actions-at-the-united-nations/

    Oct 30th, 2015 - 06:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pete Bog

    @11

    “Fc-1s are on the way”

    With or without the Martin Baker ejection seats?

    This aircraft is comparable to the F-16 , so good luck with the Typhoon especially when the Meteor AAM comes into service.

    Oct 30th, 2015 - 07:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pugol-H

    @39 Vestige
    Then for “Vestige” see: Carry on up Pompeii

    Should fit right in with Ludicrous, Nausius, Lurcio and Scrubber.

    Oct 30th, 2015 - 07:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    @39 Vestige

    “I stand by what I say”

    Well, thanks for demonstrating exactly my point.

    I stand by what I said, too.

    And here is what the Urban Dictionary has to say,

    “Gay:
    1. jovial or happy, good-spirited

    2. a homosexual male or female

    3. often used to describe something stupid or unfortunate. originating from homophobia. quite preferable among many teenage males in order to buff up their ”masculinity“

    My Opinion:

    Don't say that something is gay as an insult. I find this highly immature, mostly because it is often used when people can't think of a proper insult even when there is nothing homosexual about whatever they're insulting.”

    Oct 31st, 2015 - 08:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Vestige

    I didnt say it as an insult, rather that it sounds like it (your name) belongs to a certain community.
    More #2 than #3.
    Would you make an issue of it if I said whitest name ever.

    Oct 31st, 2015 - 05:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    @44 vestige

    You should probably just be quiet now. You've demonstrated your immaturity and now you're just digging yourself deeper with #2, prejudicial comments on gender identity.

    You're not very funny, you're hardly my friend, and I don't imagine for a moment you were complimenting me.

    Oct 31st, 2015 - 06:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Vestige

    Oh yes youd like that wouldnt you. Silencing free speech.
    I see yet again you dodge the questions put to you.
    (And how you use a childish online slang dictionary as your only source)
    Thats ok we all know the real answer. Your homophobia is clear.
    Shame on you.

    You bring a bad name to other people of the world who have excredingly gay names mister.

    Oct 31st, 2015 - 07:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    #46
    A gay name ? What the hell is that. Whatever you decide ?

    Oct 31st, 2015 - 08:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    @46 vestige

    “Oh yes youd like that wouldnt you. Silencing free speech”

    Far from it for me to stop you from saying something stupid. Say what you want, but understand that you will be judged by what you say, and only you are accountable for looking like an arse.

    ”I see yet again you dodge the questions put to you.
    (And how you use a childish online slang dictionary as your only source)
    Thats ok we all know the real answer. Your homophobia is clear.
    Shame on you. “

    Nice try... LOL

    I am only offended that you tried to use ”gay”
    as a way to insult people.

    Perhaps I should have just assumed it was #3) - using “gay” in the vernacular,
    “...often used to describe something stupid or unfortunate. originating from homophobia... ”

    which you just confirmed @44
    ”I didnt say it as an insult, rather that it sounds like it (your name) belongs to a certain community. “

    At first I thought you were too stupid to know what you were saying, and you were just using it as juvenile slang you, but it seems you know perfectly well, and you've embarrassed yourself.

    Your use of ”gay“ to describe others, emulates exactly the other LATAM Trolls, Paul Cedron, Tobi-Nostrils, Stevie, and ”voice”, who use it as a derogatory term to insult people.

    Tell me if that is a true cultural trait, I only have the odious Troll behaviour to go by.

    Now who's the REAL homophobe?

    Oct 31st, 2015 - 08:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Vestige

    lolwot.

    u guys are too much.

    Oct 31st, 2015 - 10:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    @49 vestige

    “Lolwot”

    Thanks for backing down and not carrying on your farce any further.

    I stand by what I said @45

    “...You're not very funny, you're hardly my friend, and I don't imagine for a moment you were complimenting me”

    Have fun tricking and treating...

    Oct 31st, 2015 - 11:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Vestige

    ok

    Oct 31st, 2015 - 11:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • MK8 Torpedo

    The F-35B is on the way.chinese junk is not up to much.
    https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/watch-raf-pilot-performs-first-uk-f-35b-takeoff-at-sea/?utm_source=FB&utm_medium=UKDJ+Facebook+Page&utm_campaign=SNAP

    Nov 03rd, 2015 - 06:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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