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Macri ahead of Scioli, with 8.8% still undecided shows first poll following Sunday's vote
The first public opinion poll released since Argentina's Sunday presidential election and ahead of the 22 November runoff indicates that the opposition candidate Mauricio Macri is a few points ahead of incumbent Daniel Scioli in a tight race but still with a large percentage who remain undecided. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesHappy times ahead? Cristina consigned to the garbage can, with luck.
Oct 29th, 2015 - 11:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0Only votes count and as long as the ballot boxes don't set themselves on fire it looks like Macri!
Oct 29th, 2015 - 11:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0LOL for TMBOA and Riki MPH hiding in Canada.
Yuop........Riki MPH is muchas muchas pissed at me and attacking me with all she has for using facts to paint a bad picture under KFC's regime. lol.....Imagine that....facts and figures.
Oct 29th, 2015 - 11:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0A lot can happen between now and the vote. You have to wonder what methods are being deployed by the K fanatics other than this:
Oct 29th, 2015 - 11:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0Speaking to a very rational friend in BsAs last night she confirmed the internet is being swamped by scare stories that if people vote for Macri it will be the 90's all over again and worse than it is now. It is being stated as fact that if Macri is elected then all the progress on women's rights will be reversed and gays will be persecuted.
Internet campaigns can be powerful to the terminally stupid - we have seen it here with TTT/Brasileiro - so don't under-estimate the impact.
I am curious, just what are they doing on the internet, taking over domains?
Oct 29th, 2015 - 01:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I want to see if it's happening to my irrational friends in Argentina.
Bahahahaha… there ARE sensible folk in Argieland. I always suspected it.
Oct 29th, 2015 - 01:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ha! They are mainly using social networks as far as I am aware. It is an effective tool for spreading rumour and fear.
Oct 29th, 2015 - 01:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@4. Do we care? Twelve years of political experimentation in how to destroy a country whilst pretending to “improve” it.
Oct 29th, 2015 - 02:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Here in Britain it's the same scare stories about what will happen if Britain leaves the EU. It's amazing how the scarers never say how individual British lives are improved by membership of the Fourth Reich. Lots of unverifiable “facts” about “balance of trade” including the lies because they never mention the Antwerp/Rotterdam Effect. For those who don't know, “exports” from Britain to anywhere in the world that pass through the container ports of Antwerp or Rotterdam are “counted” as exports to the EU. Thereby revealing that the EU always lies.
If there are scare stories on the argie internet, it seems to me a parallel with the Falkland Islands comic strips of years ago. “You're too stupid to be told facts that you can check on. You might check and find that the ”government“ is lying. Besides, this is the best way to present garbage”. The obvious conclusion is that whoever presents scare stories is lying.
I wonder how Britain survived for so long. How did it manage to build three worldwide empires, win two world wars, as well as beating Naploleon, provide the most copied versions of a judicial system and a parliamentary democracy? All without “Europe”. In the same way, argieland was at its most prosperous when the economy was operated by the British. Kirchner has always been a power-hungry thief. Fits in well with the argie “viveza criolla” character defect. If we look back through argieland's history, it doesn't have a clue. And the new “economic model”? Best known as “wish fulfilment”.
“incumbent Daniel Scioli ”?
Oct 29th, 2015 - 02:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He's not the incumbent, his party might be, but he's not. Is there going to be an outbreak of decency in the Dark Country that will overwhelm the Peronists?
A source close to Massa, with access to his campaign’s internal polls, tells me Massa’s supporters are government critics who are likely to vote for Macri “by a bigger than 2 to 1 margin.”
Oct 29th, 2015 - 03:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/news-columns-blogs/andres-oppenheimer/article41711442.html
“My opinion: Argentina’s election is coming down to a choice between continuity and change, and — in a country with zero economic growth — Macri’s message of change may have the most appeal. Scioli could still win, but only if he changes course and distances himself from the government. Either way, this looks like the end of the leftist populist cycle in Argentina.”
When Sr Sthink did his “math” a few days ago, opinionising that Cristina's criminal clan has a big lead, that was when I knew the smart money would be on Macri.
Oct 29th, 2015 - 03:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Cristina is appalling but dont think that but default makes macri good. The guys a snake and hasnt changed. Hes just being a politician and saying what people want to here. Theres plenty of evidence of his true personality and intentions to show who he really is. If/ once he gets into power people will see they were duped.
Oct 29th, 2015 - 03:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Care to provide something, anything other then he's a snake in tr grass? The words really are empty without some kind of support.
Oct 29th, 2015 - 04:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Have you forgotten the Niembro doodah already? Check out youtube vids of quotes hes made over the last decade or so .
Oct 29th, 2015 - 04:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Youtube......youtube? Why not just reference the collegiate version of wikipedia? You know the ones that scholars and physicists reference when putting together their hypothesis for peer review of their research?
Oct 29th, 2015 - 05:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think the camp relies on Youtube and wiki way too much.
At the end of the day I'm not an RG so it will not affect me. But it will for the people I care about. I see them being happy and hopeful that populism and peronism was shot in the foot this week. I am hopeful that it can take a torso shot in three weeks.
@11 ernest shackleton
Oct 29th, 2015 - 05:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Did seem to be the “kiss of death” for Sr Scioli.
Oh, the rumour and fear campaign is stepping up. The main thrust is to link Macri with Menem, as in 'vote for Macri and you get another Menem'.
Oct 29th, 2015 - 05:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Amusingly, Scioli has been named a fascist because he is not as extreme as CFK. Doh! (Politics 101 is needed).
Most worrying is the complete lack of access to information from outside of Argentina. I am putting together some articles about the economy that can be spread around …… suggestions welcome.
@12 They may all have defective personalities so why not concentrate on the actual policies and what will be best for the future of Argentina? Take a look at the market reactions to a move away from the K's. He might well be a Trump-light figure but unless you elect someone market-friendly Argentina is well and truly stuffed.
There remain many questions asked about Daniel Scioli and what he would really do if he wins the Nov. 22 election. His measured, middle-way style hasn't captivated voters.
Oct 29th, 2015 - 06:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0On the other hand, there are few doubts about what Mauricio Macri would do if he takes the presidency Dec. 10.
Whatever the result, it will be a product of the political pendulum occurring in most democracies around the world.
Only 10 days ago I had the pleasure of seeing the pendulum going the other way in Canada, when a seemingly all-powerful conservative government was taken to the ground after a decade of corporatist, authoritarian excesses.
If in power, Macri and his team will of course attempt to change wealth distribution to restore the lion's share to corporations, large landowners and foreign masters before his political capital runs out.
Just like Cptn Poppy, I will not be directly affected by the election results. However, I worry for family members, friends and country people about the effects a return to the old politics of dependency will have.
But as they say, the people will have the last word.
“But as they say, the people will have the last word.”
Oct 29th, 2015 - 06:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ok, you can go back to licking your ass and just admit you have been royally duped by the corrupt K's for years while they plundered our wealth.
The vice Boludo is looking to escape to Mexico as they have no extradition and kristina is trying to install her corrupt cronies into the supreme court in a last ditch effort to save her ass.
Where's Yankeeboy to gloat over the downfall of the k's?
“Just like Cptn Poppy, I will not be directly affected by the election results. However, I worry for family members, friends and country people about the effects a return to the old politics of dependency will have.”
Oct 29th, 2015 - 07:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your family must not work if you worry about them with Macri. Whine mine are not rich, just typical middle class doctors, managers and what not, educated. I worry about more of their property and money and pensions being stolen. What does your Argentine family do, collect handouts?
“If in power, Macri and his team will of course attempt to change wealth distribution to restore the lion's share to corporations, large landowners and foreign masters before his political capital runs out.”
Please....tell me how does or can one do this? Foreign masters....WTF!!!!!!!! To be mastered, you must be stupid and subservient to begin with.
What a load of claptrap from Enrique. CFK has made them dependent on her handouts to get votes. Now they are spreading the fear……..
Oct 29th, 2015 - 08:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We don't know what the outcome will be yet but the K's sure are using ever method possible to scupper the Macri vote.
You know what is most alarming? The majority have no idea that their economy is in shit street. They have no idea Kicillof and CFK have sold the family silver.
I wonder what magic queen bitch will cook up to aid her minion scioli, if its already close then it wouldn't take much corruption and rigging to swing it, after all there would be a possibility of her and her families financial practices being investigated if Macri gets in and she doesnt want that...... does she :)))))
Oct 29th, 2015 - 08:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is depressing reading some of the social media discussions. People really believe that Argentina is now a great manufacturing country. Why? Because they are told that they are.
Oct 29th, 2015 - 09:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ignorance is the very real problem in this election.
Give us all a good laugh Elaine and share those links. Lol
Oct 29th, 2015 - 09:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ahh, I would love to but there are some very questionable people on here and I don't want them stalking me around the internet. (Not you, obviously). You won't have to look too hard on FB to find such discussions.
Oct 29th, 2015 - 09:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I suppose we should credit the K's with having thoroughly brainwashed people into believing they have made Argentina great. That they have chased away all foreign companies and now Argentina is self-sufficient and able to manufacture everything they need. Because it was all the fault of Johnny Foreigner that the last collapse happened.
They do not seem to understand economics 101, or know that there is no money left and they have been living off pay day loans from China. They do not know that the K's have stolen and squandered the family silver.
What is more worrying is that they do not seem to have access to any information outside the country or do not know how to find it. Obviously, I am helping a little but it is not really my remit to get involved.
All very fascinating watching utterly delusional people in a discussion.
British warship approaching the FALKLANDS , must be looking for any abandoned boats.
Oct 29th, 2015 - 10:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This election is far from over, there are a lot of people, even from the upper class, who hate Macri and fear he will shut down all the state subsidies and handouts and destroy what remains of our industry. And sadly, he will have to do this because of CFK's economic policies, but Macri will be the one who will be blamed.
Oct 29th, 2015 - 10:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0CFK may be out but don't think for a minute that this is the end of Peronist rule or of populism in Argentina.
Elaine B, your analysis is spot-on as usual. Thankyou. I also rather like what Conqueror says when he is not rattling his nuclear option. Lol..!
Oct 29th, 2015 - 11:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0H982 FKL
Oct 30th, 2015 - 02:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0Beautiful isn't it?
One player nobody has bothered to name here is the Argentine mainstream media, which in a short period made CFK the killer of a prosecutor, Axel Kicilloff be employed and paid pesos 400,000 by YPF, Maximo Kirchner own an off-shore account with US $40 million, and Aníbal Fernández responsible for a triple murder in a notorious ephedrine case.
Oct 30th, 2015 - 02:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0Wonder why Clarín would publish, on front page and with large headlines the above stories, all fakes with the exception of the Nisman case, whose extended investigation allowed the allegations to cast a shadow over the election process?
29 brasherboot
Oct 30th, 2015 - 03:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0lol!!!!!!!
30 Enrique Massot
some Govt sponsored distraction here, to keep you amused...
http://www.theguardian.com/media/2015/oct/29/argentinian-court-orders-jeremy-clarkson-criminal-case-reopened
Please read the comments!
arf!
@ 19 Klingon
Oct 30th, 2015 - 06:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That’s a good question, where is he?
#20 Cptn Poppy
Oct 30th, 2015 - 08:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Your family must not work if you worry about them with Macri.”
Gee, Captain, I did not know you were privy to the right information!
You are ahead of most, because Macri has send what could be called mixed signals.
So please, illustrate me and the MP readers so we can reach the light.
What Macri is going to be the one if he becomes president?
That of the re-privatization of AA, YPF etc.?
Or the one who said 'I am going to keep them under the state.“
Would be the Macri who said ”wages is one more cost, and to lower costs we have to lower wages.“
Or, the magnanimous Macri of late who promised to reduce poverty in Argentina to ”zero?”
Please can't wait to read you wise words!
“Gee, Captain, I did not know you were privy to the right information!”
Oct 31st, 2015 - 01:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Tobi, pull your panties from the crack of your ass. You have problems with me making commentary statements based on your posts? You certainly have no issue with it.
AA is a lost entity as it is the Personist airlines, more so the La Camporas airlines. Everyone in Argentine knows that. Re-privatizing AA would be like salvaging the Titanic. YPF was outright stolen and is now incompetently managed AND on their knees begging for foreign investment.
Your entire post is all over the place Tobi....You poke Macri for addressing poverty and then you poke Macri for claiming he ignores the needs of the poor. Which is it? Have you ever heard........to reach the moon you aim for the stars?
You know tobi, you can't continue reading about live in Argentina and believe that you know what it is like.
GO THERE AND SEE FOR YOURSELF......WHY DO YOU NOT GO?????
Macri managed the city fairly well. Well enough to be elected TWICE. Gotta love that Metrobus....no?
Do you like Noquis?
What will Macri do? I have no idea. I unlike you do not profess the ridiculous things you do. I do believe that he will attempt to bring Argentina into the international community rather than away from it and closer to Venezuela.
DO YOU LIKE THE WAY VENEZUELA IS ???????????KIRCHNER SUPPORTS HER!!!
I also believe Macri would more likely than not work to create an environment of opportunity. You seem to think a President must focus on one group and one else. In all societies, some peoplke are relegated to a lifetime of government subsidies, the infirmed and disabled. But you don't get a lifetime of handouts because you gave birth. In Argentina as in the USA, lifetime handout need to end if you are capable of work....PERIOD!
SO, in short, what will he do? I have no clue. At the end of the day he/s a politician and as a former soldier, they all suck to me and it will no no effect on my. But, he is not a pero
continue Capt....
Nov 01st, 2015 - 12:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0Aerolineas is a money laundering vehicle for the K's. It loses vast amounts of government money on a daily basis. Why not privatise it and save the money the government is pouring into it (the K's coffers) and collect the corporate tax. LAN is a profitable airline so why can't Argentines do what the Chileans can?
Nov 01st, 2015 - 12:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0YPF was stolen and is now worth considerably less than the government agreed in compensation.
Unless Argentina becomes market-friendly there will be no investment - the country is desperate for investment - and what little money is left will run out.
You don't have to like Macri, Enrique, but if you love Argentina you need change.
Just ending and I ran out of space and was on a rant at the time Troy.....lol.
Nov 01st, 2015 - 02:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But as I was saying, Macri is just another politician but but Personista. The people in the city seem to like what he accomplished for the city. The role of the government is to make life more livable and for Macri that is the people of Buenos Aires. He did something to easily get elected twice.
http://apuntes-urbanos.blogspot.com.ar/2015/07/progresismo.html
Interesting reading.
Quequi/ tobi....whomever you wish to be today, I will ask you again.
Even if you wish not to MOVE back to Argentina, because, afterall you feel it is such a paradise at the hands of peronistas and Kirchner........
WHY DO YOU NOT AT LEAST RETURN TO VISIT????????????!!!!!!!??????
Visit tobi!!!!!!!!!!!
You quote stats that are 6 years outdated, experience the reality that you THINK is Argentina.
It will be a nice change to see the Argentine President holding press conferences and making coherent speeches for a change.
PS
Does anyone remember POSK IS GREAT FOR SEX?
Handing out fish in Puerta Madero, a government food program.
lol
@37
Nov 01st, 2015 - 11:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks for the link. The city does still have problems but you can see the differences since 2007. Unlike BA province which has been poorly managed during the same period.
@37 Captain
Nov 01st, 2015 - 11:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think you may be onto something there ... Tobi = Enrique Massot.
However, Enrique is not “voice” - that's Think
#38 Of course it does. Every large city does. Look at Boston, NYC et al. I am only there twice a year but I can see it....I hear it from the people. As I said, they like MAcri enough to vote him in twice.
Nov 02nd, 2015 - 02:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Tobi-Enrigue....aka Quique......
WHY NOT RETURN TO ARGENTINA FOR A VISIT???????????
WHAT PREVENTS YOU TO DO SO?????????
#40 Cptn. Poppy
Nov 04th, 2015 - 08:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In response to your very relevant questions:
The deans of 28 provincial and national universities have issued a call to vote for Scioli as a way to protect the significant advance in education of the last decade.
They are concerned by Macri's dismissive comments about “universities everywhere” as a bad sign of what could be in store if that candidate becomes president.
From 2002 to present, 15 universities have opened, and funding increased from pesos 1.9 billion to 40 billion.
Ok on your tac, of the top 100 universities worldwide ranked, the USA has 51 and Argentina has......ZILCH.
Nov 04th, 2015 - 08:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Se siete si siete....Mauricio es presidente.
Hey, what is the annual income for middleclass in peso in Argentina? Quiiiiiiqueeeeee.....are you avoiding me old man? Answer that question and I will gift you a gift certificate to Aspen Dental for new dentures.
Have you seen the building boom in Boston? Beacon Partners is going nuts!!!
Will you visit Argentina if Scioli wins.......or are charges still pending?
@42 Captain
Nov 05th, 2015 - 12:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0I can pretty much answer that. Middle class income in Arg. ranks from 12K to 25K a year depending on region and professional level. That includes lower middle to regular middle class (the gap to upper middle is about 18K from regular middle so there is no point in making a comparison there).
Consider that inflation in Argentina is so robust that it not only affects the peso. We have inflation in dollars too!
Having lunch in BA's financial district is more expensive than Rome. Two years ago you could get a decent lunch downtown for 5 dollars. That would be USD 7.50 today.
Of course I have opted for the typical USD 1.75 ham and cheese pebete a long, long time ago.
Thanks , I know, but I wanted Quique to attempt that. He avoids fact based questions. I never really thought Argentina, BA in specific was expensive but I can't recall lunchs that cheap, even in Havana's. But it's been over half a year.
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