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Chavistas “will not surrender the revolution”, even in defeat in December's elections, warned Maduro
Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro warned that he wouldn’t let a defeat in December congressional elections derail his government even as his socialist party faces the possibility of losing control of the national assembly for the first time in 16 years. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesThis is going to go oh so bad... Get your crystal ball out now. Demonstrations, counter-demonstrations, violence, international condemnation of the election process, and the validity of the “results”.
Oct 31st, 2015 - 10:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0More arrests, additional emergency decrees and further suspension of constitutional rights. Expanded military and para-military roles in controlling the citizens. Could someone “take out Maduro” and seize power? Who knows...
It will be difficult for several of the latin american countries to continue showing support for Maduro. The news from Venezuela will be so bad, they'll have to “call for dialog” and “support the democratic process”, etc. Maybe even offer some relief in the form of food, medicines, supplies, etc.
These nations realize that their below market petroleum supply could well be cut off too. That's not good, but at least the market price isn't US $100 a barrel now.
What will be REALLY dangerous, on an international scale, is the behaviors of Cuba, China, and to a lesser extent, Russia. They all have strong interest in maintaining (or increasing, in respect to Russia) their influence in the country / region. Will anyone intervene?
Of course, the people who really suffer are the citizens of Venezuela. No change there... but it appears things will have to get much worse before they get better.
For now, we'll have to just watch.
Best wishes to all.
Never underestimate the power of 'the little bird' that tells MADuro what Chubby is saying from his place in hell.
Oct 31st, 2015 - 11:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0You know it makes sense! Well it does to lunatics like the crooks who are controlling Venezuela.
This gets better everyday. The K's fall in Argentina...and the fireworks are getting stoked in Venezuela.
Oct 31st, 2015 - 12:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So Maduro won't allow observers at the elections? So it's rigged already.
Oct 31st, 2015 - 01:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Who really cares a sh**** what these third world toilet countries do!!!
Oct 31st, 2015 - 01:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0leave them to their faith...
Very accurate comments from #1 Mr Garnet. Unlike probalby all of the commentators, I actually live there, and yes it does matterr what happens in 3rd world countries. Surely we want improvement everywhere in S.America ?
Oct 31st, 2015 - 02:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@6 Yeah, we care. @5 Is just shit-stirring. Why would they comment here on this message board if they didn't care?
Oct 31st, 2015 - 03:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0From the outside looking in it is frustrating to watch SoAm countries being run by populist dictators. Both Venezuela and Argentina should be wealthy countries with a good standard of living for all. Instead the few at the top in power steal all the money and make the majority of the population dependent. They don't want them to become self-sufficient, well-informed and capable of seeing through the lies and manipulation.
In other words they're going to stop pretending to be a democratic country and admit that they're a repressive totalitarian dictatorship that stamps on human rights, locks up any dissenters, stifles the free press and freedom of speech, all so a few greedy murderous men can hold onto power.
Oct 31st, 2015 - 04:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But we should remind Maduro what happened to Nicolae Ceaușescu when the people decided to have their own revolution against the 'revolution'.
Maduro,
Oct 31st, 2015 - 04:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“The revolution will not be surrendered ever,” Maduro said. “With the constitution in hand, we will push Venezuela’s independence forward... ”
Huh??? “Independence” from what or who???
@7. Why care? As matters stand, could argieland launch a glider? As I understand it, argie ships turn over and sink. With or without a British torpedo! Wings fall off argie aircraft. And in Venezuela? One Sukhoi gets shot down by a little drugs plane and Maduro needs another 12 from Russia. Do you think a Venezuelan pilot could find his way to the Buenos Aires waypoint?
Oct 31st, 2015 - 05:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You have to wait. Sooner or later the SoAm countries will have revolutions to remove their dictators. The correct approach is to let them get on with it. Does it matter whether the revolutions are in 5 years, 10 years, 25 years, 50 years? The important thing is to consider how many enemies will kill each other. So leave it as long as possible. No-one really cares about SoAms unless they happen to have “friends” there. Most SoAms don't have brains. Waste of time for them to breathe.
@10 Conqueror
Oct 31st, 2015 - 05:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Most SoAms don't have brains. Waste of time for them to breathe.”
I am pretty sure most people here, myself included, think much the same about you.
Yours sincerely, married to a South American and with two houses and several businesses in South America.
8 LEPR
Oct 31st, 2015 - 06:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“In other words they're going to stop pretending to be a democratic country...”
Exactly right!!
New York - NY / U.S.A
Nov 01st, 2015 - 03:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0October 31st, 2015
Shut fuck off socialist low-life illiterate motherfucker !...............
Death to Dictators
Nov 01st, 2015 - 11:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0@11. What's that then? Danish?
Nov 01st, 2015 - 12:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just as a matter of interest, who needs to have brains to have businesses? What's the point in having two houses? Can you live in them both at the same time? Two houses just means double the bills. Is that bright? Or do you use the second one to store all the toilet rolls for the first one?
The country you live in is going down the tubes. Mine isn't. It's had difficulties but worked through them. It never got as low as venezuela. Now it's on its way up again.
Here's another thought. Supposedly Venezuela is sitting on the largest oil reserves in the world. Why isn't everybody rich?
@11 Skare
Nov 01st, 2015 - 01:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Conqueror's rantings aside, I am sure you would agree, in your position, that the social turmoil, and economic chaos of Venzla, is not good for business, unless your business is directly linked to keeping a government like Venzla's in power, right?
@15 Conqueror
Nov 01st, 2015 - 02:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0*The country you live in is going down the tubes. Mine isn't.*
Strange that - I am resident in the UK for tax purposes .. yet you pig-ignorantly assume that the country I live in is “going down the tubes”, whilst your country isn't. Early onset dementia is it? .. or just congenital cretinism? :D
And the fact that Venezuela has huge oil reserves has no bearing on your disgustingly racist ““Most SoAms don't have brains. Waste of time for them to breathe”.
@16 Troy Tempest
Of course I agree. No country should have to endure what Venezuela now endures as a price for Chavez's profligate waste and corruption. I wasn't challenging that .. I was challenging Conqueror's pig-ignorant racism and uninformed bigotry (all of which is a bit rich, since I doubt his experience of life even stretches to a package deal to Torremolinos).
“I am resident in the UK for tax purposes ” Really?
Nov 01st, 2015 - 02:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@18 ElaineB
Nov 01st, 2015 - 03:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, really. Why would this be so strange? Can't someone who lives in the UK call Conqueror out as the bitter, bloodthirsty and warmongering racist that he is?
Not only for tax purposes, it is also where my main residence is. I would certainly be better off if I paid my personal taxes in Colombia, but I prefer to play fairly and by the spirit of the rules.
Och you two leave Conqueror alone. He's early on the sauce today!
Nov 01st, 2015 - 03:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@19 Why so defensive? I called out Conquerer moons ago.
Nov 01st, 2015 - 03:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@21 ElaineB
Nov 01st, 2015 - 04:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am not defensive .. and I've been calling Conqueror out as a bigoted, bloodthirsty warmonger for years.
You asked (doubted?) so I explained.
I didn't doubt at all, I was just surprised; nothing more.
Nov 01st, 2015 - 04:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And if you have been here for years you will know I don't support Conquerer's opinions; I have made it clear often enough.
Respectful word of advice, skip over his posts.
Viva Zapata politics. Still, it is their business.
Nov 01st, 2015 - 04:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@20 Redpoll,
Nov 01st, 2015 - 08:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you better make that, 3 Conq. detractors... :-)
Skare,
interesting what you say about doing business in SA.
With the Bolivarian Revolution, is it not difficult to be an entrepreneur and private businessman?
In populist Argentina,
We hear of the government employment policies making it hard to fire incompetent or lazy employees, and very costly benefits required from the employers. Also, with a large part of the population receiving benefits, or not paying income tax, the businesses are taxed at a high rate.
Do you know if that characterises the situation accurately?
Is it the same in Bolivarian Columbia?
Thanks,
Troy
#19
Nov 01st, 2015 - 08:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think if you look at my posts I probably fit the bill !
With me it's personal as I figure in his hate list.
@25 Troy Tempest
Nov 01st, 2015 - 09:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No problems at all here in Colombia. In fact, quite the opposite. Provided you have good legal advice, it is a country that is overflowing with opportunities. But, that said, Britain and Colombia have a thriving relationship, Brand UK is seen as aspirational and much of the elite is educated in the UK.
Whilst they are indeed developing a welfare state, Colombia is rabidly opposed to the policies of Chavez, Maduro and the Bolivarian movement (in fact, Colombia's relations with Venezuela are bordering on warlike). I certainly don't see this laziness you speak of and I don't consider a £180 / month minimum wage as an onerous burden (in fact, I'd be ashamed not to pay considerably more than that).
Language is the main problem if you don't speak Spanish - don't come here and expect to speak English.
Skare,
Nov 01st, 2015 - 09:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I appreciate your insights, thanks for sharing.
TT
Silence from the drunken old fool Conquerer, probably passed out on the street clutching a half empty box of port.
Nov 01st, 2015 - 09:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The 'Revolution' is 15 years old now and if the polls are accurate, more than two thirds of the nation don't want it. I'd say the 'revolution' is DOA.
Nov 02nd, 2015 - 04:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0New York - NY / U.S.A
Nov 02nd, 2015 - 06:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0November 2nd, 2015
Venezuela's bus-driver's revolution will ended it rolled on Cuba's Castro brothers 50 years old underwear carried the brimful claimed rights for an extra sized toilet paper !.............
Didn't Simon Bolivar get it right when he said that tyrants would rise from his tomb. But he never saw this LatAm Scouser being one.
Nov 02nd, 2015 - 03:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@32 Mr Ed
Nov 02nd, 2015 - 04:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Simon Bolivar also referred to the British, without whom there would have been no Gran Colombia (present-day Colombia, Venezuela and Ecuador .. plus a little more) as the “saviours of my nation”.
He liked the British - sensible fellow - but he will be turning in his grave at the perverted 'Bolivarianism' / chavismo of Hugo Chávez anf his loopy
I'd love to hear what any Chavistas/Maduro supporters in Venezuela think “The Revolution” is. What are they revolting against? Do they even know? Also, when the President of a country talks about things like “civil-military union” being important, you know things aren't good. Another country with a lot of good people who want to have good normal lives, but they simply can't because of maniacs like Maduro and the people who still, for some baffling reason, continue to support him.
Nov 02nd, 2015 - 06:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Like news channel NTN24 this paper is probably censored in Venezuela. There is NO free press in happy land.
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