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Malvinas war Argentine film screened to Falklands veterans at embassy
British veterans of the 1982 Falklands/Malvinas conflict met with Argentine ex-combatant Edgardo Esteban at the Embassy of Argentina in London where an Argentine produced film about the war was screened. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesWhen this silly cow claims Thatcher prevented a peaceful solution, it translates into the nasty British wouldn't roll over and let us take the Islands?
Nov 06th, 2015 - 08:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0Piss off Castro. Nobody buys in to this BS other then your close circle of absolute numpties.
That would be the same Edgardo Esteban who fronted a successful campaign to get the name of a street in Buenos Aires changed because it had the word “English” in it. Like all Argies he exceeds at hypocrisy.
Nov 06th, 2015 - 08:48 am - Link - Report abuse 01 Exactly. You beat me to it.
Nov 06th, 2015 - 08:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0“The cruel military dictatorship that was ruling Argentina at the time went to war as a means of retaining power” - stated Ambassador Castro – “in the same way that Margaret Thatcher’s Conservative government prevented a peaceful solution, seeking electoral gain”.
What this mad cow is really saying is that at the time when Argentina had landed upwards of 8,000 troops on our islands and taken control, the UK Government should've just let them stay there and, instead, entered into dialogue with the Argentina Government. Dialogue which may have ended in the Argentine troops withdrawing and allowing the Falklands to continue huh?Go figure...
“If those soldiers who faced each other on the battlefield are today able to shake hands, it is inconceivable that politicians are incapable of engaging in dialogue”, Ambassador Castro pointed out.
The dispute is the Argentine Government's not ours. Stop expecting us to do something about it. Take it to the ICJ.
“The cruel military dictatorship that was ruling Argentina at the time went to war as a means of retaining power”
Nov 06th, 2015 - 09:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0True.
“in the same way that Margaret Thatcher’s Conservative government prevented a peaceful solution, seeking electoral gain”.
Not true. Argentina was required by a *binding* Resolution from the UNSC to withdraw their illegal occupation. They refused.
Argentina refused any peaceful outcome that didn't include recognition of their (fake) sovereignty claim. They wanted to keep the spoils of their illegal, immoral actions. Such demands are not conductive to a “peaceful solution”.
“...it is inconceivable that politicians are incapable of engaging in dialogue”
It's also inconcievable that any ambasssador would object to the legitimate inhabitants of an island being permitted to represent their interests, but Argentina manages it.
“Argentina is ready for dialogue“.
Oh yes, that's why Timerman withdrew from an invitation to dialogue not that long ago.
You are ready for ”dialogue“, but are you willing to negotiate in good faith? Abstaining from your prerequisite demands for the Falklands and allowing the Islanders to be represented would be a good sign of that.
”The British Government should...come to the negotiating table to find a peaceful, diplomatic and permanent solution to the sovereignty dispute”,
Of course. In fact, we have two solutions to the dispute that would be peaceful, diplomatic, permanent, and undeniably fair to all sides.
1: Argentina takes the case to the ICJ, and both parties agree to abide by their decision. This would be the perfect venue for Argentina to prove their claims.
2: Argentina admits that their claim is false, and drops it - quite literally “for good”. This would be the easiest and fairest way.
Those two solutions fit the bill. Take your pick.
I wonder what the veterans had to say about her comments, or were they hand picked to make sure they would behave. I wouldn't mind betting her statements were said out of ear shot of the veterans.
Nov 06th, 2015 - 09:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, that evil Thatcher, it's all her fault, she should have just let you take the islands, the British are such party poopers.
Did you forget you were/are in breach of 2 binding UN resolutions, the UK are in breach how many?
Entire international community....well if you call a few SA countries and those of the C24 the entire international community, the you need to get out a bit more dear. Ahhh, but you are an Argentine Malvanista aren't you so you think everyone will swallow your lies without question.
I thought we already had a permanent solution to the conflict, it happened in 1982, you lost dear, isn't that permanent enough for you?
There's no doubt Thatcher and her govt. benefited politically from the successful retaking of the Falkland Islands, but I've never believed she made the decision with one eye on the polls. She did it because she genuinely believed it was the right thing to do. Which it was.
Nov 06th, 2015 - 09:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ah that old Malvinas chestnut, tis nothing more than a fantasy: https://www.academia.edu/17799157/Falklands_-_Some_Relevant_International_Law
Nov 06th, 2015 - 10:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0Given the political consequences if Britain had been defeated Thatcher would never have sent out the task force for possible electoral benefits.
Nov 06th, 2015 - 10:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0The film itself is a very good film and not at all jingoistic. It's almost entirely about events within one unit of the Argentine army. The British forces and the Falklanders are regarded as almost completely separate - irrelevant, even - to the events affecting the main characters.
A peaceful solution would have happened if Argentina had obeyed the BINDING UN resolution to remove all it's military forces from the FI.
Nov 06th, 2015 - 10:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0As Argentina refused to obey this the only solution was to use force.
Blaming the British government of the time for standing up to the Argentinean military bullies is just crazy talk.
Remember the Head of the Argy Military has said publicly the only thing stopping Argentina re-invading is the British per-deployed military garrison.
Somehow those defensive forces seem to upset Argentina so much, wonder why?
Ah, Castro, you silly lass; embarrassing our country again ...
Nov 06th, 2015 - 10:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0“The cruel military dictatorship that was ruling Argentina at the time went to war as a means of retaining power”
That is true. HOWEVER, several people here supported that decision, sadly, mostly due to years of brainwashing.
I think that the film “Enlightened by Fire” is a miss. It is a VERY good account of facts suffered by our troops, and overall it is a really good war movie, but they ruined it by including a statement about the Argentinian claim at the end. They should have focused on the soldier´s experience rather.
I would advice you guys to give it a try and watch it, knowing in advance that there is some BS at the very end.
I cannot comment on the film as I have not seen it BUT showing it at the Argentine Embassy does smack of a propaganda move by “hers truly” and a chance to role out the old why can't we discuss the sovereignty issue
Nov 06th, 2015 - 11:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0What a shame that the combatants from both sides had to listen to a politically inspired interloper degrade their honourable and very personal experiences.
Nov 06th, 2015 - 11:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0Seems there is very little difference between the Argentine Facists and the current Kirchner regime.
I wonder if she served chicken and pizza?
Nov 06th, 2015 - 11:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0At least that would be preferable to the usual lies this stupid woman spews out of her mouth.
She will be gone in January.
Castro obviously missed the bit about UN Res. 502 then? The resolution where the UN told RGland to back out of the Falkland Islands.
Nov 06th, 2015 - 11:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0She also doesn't understand the military attitude of “when we are at war, we're enemies; when we stop the fighting, we're people”.
She'd turn a dog turd into a political statement, if it served her “purpose”.
Old vets conned and used to political purposes. Castro should be ashamed.
Nov 06th, 2015 - 12:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0so the Argies want dialogue do they I wouldnt trust them with anything ...the way they used 17 year olds to get slaughtered used and abused They are not to be trusted in any way shape or form Ask the Falklanders what they did in the line of democracy they are nothing more than dictators in fact Cam moron would go un noticed in their midst Stand up to this scum never give up the sovereignty of the British Falkland Isles
Nov 06th, 2015 - 12:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sad to see Veterans from both sides used for POLITICS - Castro and her lot stink.
Nov 06th, 2015 - 01:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sadly I have seen British veterans conned and duped several times when in the Islands - by visiting Arg Veterans - who always manage to produce a press reporter and cameraman and what the Br Vets thought was going to be an innocent and perfectly normal meeting of former combatants - gets twisted.
Argies do it every time - I would have thought the Brits who went to the embassy would have realised what was going to happen.
It's an invitation that I would only have accepted after the following concessions
Nov 06th, 2015 - 01:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That Argentina drops its claim to the Islands.(Including South Georgia and Dependencies) and removes all mention of the Islands from its constitution
It accepts absolute responsibility for its illegal actions between 2nd of April
and 14th June 1982.
It issues an unreserved apology to the Islanders.
It enters into dialogue with both the UK and Islanders to discuss reparations and compensation relevant to its actions and responsibilities during the above dates.
As for blaming “Thatcher” (probably a euphemism for the UK) .
Perez De Cuellar was reported to have said something along the lines of “I'm surprised at how much the UK was prepared to concede in order to avoid conflict”.
The Falklands conflict should not be used in this way - one only has to recall the television broadcasts from the Casa Rosada balcony when Galtieri announced the landings of Argentine troops in the British Falkland Islands that he and his Junta were supported by the great majority of Argentine citizens. All this business of denouncing the Junta is pure propaganda.
Nov 06th, 2015 - 01:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0TEH ARGENTINE NATION MUST CARRY THE BLAIM FOR THE 1982 CONFLICT - WITHOUT ITS WELL PLANNED(BUT BADLY EXECUTED) INVASION THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN NO CONFLICT.
As said before
Nov 06th, 2015 - 01:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0as long as we let these idiots run this properganger crap from London,
they will continue to peddle it,
im surprised Castro has not asked to address parliament to make a speech on being friends,
and I bet Cameron would probably let her,
we know someone who would.
still,
as long as we are led by donkeys , the longer we put up with countries taking the piss..
Exactly how old is this film? My brother who is visiting us at the moment but who lives in Melbourne says it was on Australian TV years ago.
Nov 06th, 2015 - 02:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think everyone should see the film. It shows Argentines abusing Argentines during the war. 'The cruel military dictatorship' was made up of Argentines and supported by Argentines. And who were the millions dancing in the streets when the Falklands were invaded? Yes, Argentines.
Nov 06th, 2015 - 02:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They like to blame all their problems on foreigners (British) when the problem is much closer to home. They should see how Argentines damage Argentines. Their Argentine government has created the economic problems they are facing.
Maybe, just maybe, they will take some responsibility for their own actions.
In other news, Ambassador Castro showed veterans of both sides, the film “Despicable Me” and said:
Nov 06th, 2015 - 03:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This film has nothing to do with the Falkland Islands at all but Argentina is ready for dialogue... blah, blah, blah, UN thingies... blah, blah... squatters, kelpers, militarisation, blah...blah...blah... illegal fishing... [Yawn!]
Now wait a minute.. they have recently kept pushing photo's from their Propaganda Factory - of RG's holding signs saying 'Not a step Back' in Spanish referencing their colonial designs on the Falkland Islands.. if that is the case how the feck do they want 'Dialogue' if they only want one outcome?
Nov 06th, 2015 - 04:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“in the same way that Margaret Thatcher’s Conservative government prevented a peaceful solution, seeking electoral gain”.
Nov 06th, 2015 - 05:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not so much seeking electoral gain but preventing Margaret Thatcher's administration from getting booted out of office. She had no choice politically, morally she couldn't leave the rightful born inhabitants to the whims of a fascist dictatorship.
A peaceful solution was avoided by the Argentines failure to withdraw before the war kicked off. Whjich was stupis because right up to June the UK were contemplating UN flags on the Islands and shared administration.
But using the Argentine principle of uttis possesetis, they did not have to give anything to the Argentines.
If the Argentines had obeyed 502 they would have benefitted, as they did not, they cannot dismiss the fact that it was solely their fault that they ended up with nothing but a kicked arse.
“Former enemies, now brothers in arms“ the British veterans observed, thanking the Embassy of Argentina for offering ”A unique opportunity to meet other veterans, helping to heal the wounds of the past. ”
Purely a veteran's brotherhood.
Nothing to do whatsoever with the political status of the Islands. Nothing to do with Castro, she was not a combatant on the Falkland Islands.
The British soldiers did not sacrifice lives for the Islanders to be discarded.
“If those soldiers who faced each other on the battlefield are today able to shake hands, it is inconceivable that politicians are incapable of engaging in dialogue”, Ambassador Castro pointed out”
And therefore using that logic, Castro, the dialogue should be with the Islanders, not the UK government, seeing as you observe the compromise shown by the veterans of both sides.
@21 Darragh
Nov 06th, 2015 - 05:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, it was shown on our 'multicultural' channel SBS - at least twice that I can recall. SebaSvtz's description is an accurate one as I recall.
It was made in 2005.
Nov 06th, 2015 - 06:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Given the “dialogue” the Argentine officer coprps engaged in with their fellow=countrymen before the invasion, I don't think any dialogue on the Falklands would have been too enjoyable for the other parties concerned.
@21 the film came out around 2004/5.
Nov 06th, 2015 - 06:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0An anecdote to that film is that I found myself in the editing studio doing voice overs for the 'invisible' British soldiers who move onto the Argentine positions...there was no script, they asked me to make it up. After the first attempt, they asked to be more like the film 'Platoon' and keep saying 'C'mon mother f**kers'. I told them that was a little too American and I'd try my best to sound more like British military swearing. Once I finished and was on the way out, the guy asked me, 'what does c**t mean?'
I think he found out because when I went to cinema to watch it, I was hugely disappointed to see they hadn't used anything I did. An abrupt end to very brief movie career!
Great film though!
@28 Patria
Nov 06th, 2015 - 06:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Fascinating story. Thanks!
I wonder if she got the start date for the war correct this time round.
Nov 06th, 2015 - 09:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0When the “Top Gear” scandal was going off, she said that the sinking of the USS Phoenix ( sorry... my bad.....ARA Belgrano ) was the cause.
28 La Patria
If they had asked you to do the voice over for the argentinian forces, all you would have had to have said was “Run away!! The Ghukhas are coming!!”
Not even a good try, Argentina.
Nov 06th, 2015 - 09:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh & btw, you still cannot have the Falklands.
They donot belong to you.
@10 SebaSvtz
Nov 06th, 2015 - 10:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“but they ruined it by including a statement about the Argentinian claim at the end.”
Presumably if it hadn't included that bit at the end, just before the credits, it wouldn't have gotten funded. I'm surprised that something that wasn't as shamelessly biased as the Zamba cartoon ever was.
“Argentina is ready for dialogue. ……….. concluded the Argentine ambassador.”
Nov 07th, 2015 - 12:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0It is good that the veterans from both sides can come together in a spirit of reconciliation. It is a necessary process for some veterans to help them with their demons and personal trauma.
It is not good for the Argentine Ambassador and Government to use what should be a reconciliation experience to try to weave the veteran’s experiences into the fabric of their great Malvinas lie.
“The cruel military dictatorship that was ruling Argentina at the time went to war as a means of retaining power” - stated Ambassador Castro.
So what has changed?
The Argentine military junta started an illegal and totally unjustified war using Argentina’s national obsession as an excuse. Today we have the Argentine government calling for ‘dialogue’ and ‘negotiations’ over the same national obsession.
They don’t even have the courage to say what they really want; instead they hide behind weasel words like' dialogue' and 'negotiations'. How can two parties ‘negotiate’ over an issue that exists only in the mind of one of them?
What a pathetic bunch of liars and hypocrites!
Fat women shouldn't wear horizontal stripes.... her outfit looks as if it was made by a Bolivian taxidermist.
Nov 07th, 2015 - 09:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0@ 34 Frank
Nov 07th, 2015 - 11:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0“her outfit looks as if it was made by a Bolivian taxidermist.”
That's so funny! :o)
“Enlightened by Fire”???
Nov 07th, 2015 - 08:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Should it not be called:-
“This is what you get when you invade someone else's country”?
34 Frank
I'm with ChrisR @ 35 on this........ I shouldn't laugh but it is just so funny!!
Nuff Respec!!
Watched this on YouTube last night,it's quite a good film.
Nov 09th, 2015 - 08:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The BS at the end looks like it was edited in as an afterthought,makes claims about nuke weapons LOL.
Any of our Argentine poster know if the mistreatment of the conscripts is accurate?
The UK will be returning the Malvinas within the next 25 years.
Nov 10th, 2015 - 01:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0@38
Nov 10th, 2015 - 06:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0JUSTICE FOR NISMAN!!
ARGENTINA, PAY YOUR DEBTS!!
CFK IS GOING TO JAIL !!!
@38
Nov 10th, 2015 - 08:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0Can you count? That BS was at least 3 years ago so it should be 22 years.
The FI will never be Argentine.
@ 39 & 40,
Nov 10th, 2015 - 09:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0lgnore the silly moo, she has nothing constructive to say.
Doesn't even irritate.
'Malvinas' is the French name for the Falkland Islands.
Nov 10th, 2015 - 09:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0Maybe calling the Falklands the Sebold Islands will wind up the Trolls?
Nov 10th, 2015 - 10:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0After all the Dutch could make a claim as good as Arjuntina.
@38
Nov 10th, 2015 - 07:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina will be returning Santa Cruz to the Falkland Islands within 25 years.
@44 Pete Bog,
Nov 10th, 2015 - 09:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0l'll go along with that!
l bet if you asked the people there, they would be enthusiastic to join us!
38 Hepatia
Nov 10th, 2015 - 10:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“The UK will be returning the Malvinas within the next 25 years”
Sorry luv, you have a greater chance of finding Rocking Horse s**t or Hen's teeth............ What are these Malvinas? More argentine lies? The Falkland Islands I have heard of, Malvinas, not so much.
38 Hepatia
Nov 11th, 2015 - 01:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0“The UK will be returning the Malvinas within the next 25 years”
Oh please tell us how you came up with that theory...
@47 brasher
Nov 11th, 2015 - 01:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0Whenever ”Hepatia' trots out that old nugget, I like to remind it and everyone else, that they have greater obstacles to overcome at home, before they assert any influence over others.
Justice for Nisman
Argentina, pay your debts
Argentina will be owned by CHINA within the next 20 years...
@45 Isolde
Nov 12th, 2015 - 07:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“l bet if you asked the people there, they would be enthusiastic to join us!”
Yes-free education (including at UK Universities), protection from good armed forces, a government that looks after all it's citizens including the elderly (where is there better than those old folks flats joined onto the QEMH?), no need for the dole, no repressive police or doctrines, a government that runs at a surplus , proper publically run services...... a currency linked to the pound that's worth something.............hang on a minute....can you please run the UK government as well while you're at it?
@ 21 darragh who asks “Exactly how old is this film?”
Nov 15th, 2015 - 03:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0It is about ten years old.
The trailer was uploaded to youtube in 2007, it can be seen (English subtitles):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3Pyou7P4DU
The movie can be seen here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3Pyou7P4DU
Chaco, Formosa and Misiones will be returned to Paraguay before the Falkland Islands are stolen by an Argentine government.
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