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Kirchners' ex minister claims poverty in Argentina is similar to that of the 2001/02 crisis

Thursday, November 12th 2015 - 08:29 UTC
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Argentina's former Secretary of Culture José Nun said that “current poverty” in the country “is similar to that which preceded the 2001/02 crisis”, and underlined that he “would never vote” for the presidential incumbent candidate Daniel Scioli, who was handpicked by outgoing head of state Cristina Fernandez. Read full article


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  • ElaineB

    Someone prepared to speak the truth. Kicillof declared that they don't give the numbers relating to poverty because it stigmatises the poor. That has to be the most offensive statement he has ever made and the competition is fierce. Pretending the poor do not exist means the problem is not addresses and they become a ghost population.

    We all know the reserves are all but gone. The K's have limped home but the fuse on the economic bomb has been lit by them.

    I also agree that I have reservations about Macri as a character. But he does have the guts to face the problem rather than pretend it does not exist.

    Nov 12th, 2015 - 10:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Demantoid Garnet

    @1 Agreed, ElaineB...

    I must say it's good to hear an honest, balanced opinion coming from the ex-minister. I believe he has “hit the nail on the head” so to speak. And his concerns about BOTH candidates appear well reasoned and constructed.

    His bottom line comment is clear though, “I would never vote for Scioli”.

    That says it all.

    Best wishes everyone.

    Nov 12th, 2015 - 10:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    The real problem for Argentina in respect to the actual election is that there are a lot of people like my next door Argentine friend who will not vote 'as it makes no difference however many votes an opponent of TMBOA gets, her candidate will become president'.

    We shall see.

    Nov 12th, 2015 - 11:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Mendoza Canadian

    Chris at 3...I have heard that over and over again...“why bother to even talk about the problems...we can't do anything about them”...It makes my head spin.

    Nov 12th, 2015 - 11:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marc1

    #3 On the other hand, there are millions who voted for Massa, Macri and to a lesser extent, the others apart from Scioli, who want a change.
    This man says what so many of us have felt for so many years and I just wish more who were or are still in the official party would speak out.
    Mind you, the in-fighting should help Macri.

    Nov 12th, 2015 - 02:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jonaz_BsAs

    Although this guy is right, he's a disgusting panqueque, a coward trying to join the winning side at the last minute.

    Nov 12th, 2015 - 03:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @3 I think that attitude may just swing the vote Macri's way.

    Nov 12th, 2015 - 04:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    @6 Jonaz

    With respect, from what he has said, though he has rejected Scioli, he has not endorsed Macri.

    Nov 12th, 2015 - 04:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jonaz_BsAs

    What other motives could there be, merely 10 days before the election?

    This guy was one of the architects behind the mess we're living right now. If he's repentant, he should commit harakiri.

    Nov 12th, 2015 - 04:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • 313toBioBio

    Cristina Fernández wilhelm. This guy. Kiciloff. Timerman. Us ambasssador mahmet.... All jews all. All gathering to make a famine

    Nov 12th, 2015 - 04:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jonaz_BsAs

    @10 313toBioBio:
    Uncalled for and stupid post. Take it back or remove yourself. If you can't argue against this gov't without being a bigot you're a moron.

    Nov 12th, 2015 - 05:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest


    Purely disgusting bigotry.

    Nov 12th, 2015 - 05:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Frank

    @9 and what exactly is KFC (the caretaker prez) doing just now?

    This bloke was the minister for art galleries and statues...hardly in charge of destroying the economy...

    Nov 12th, 2015 - 06:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • 313toBioBio

    @11 take a history class and grow up.

    Nov 12th, 2015 - 06:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jonaz_BsAs

    Argentina has a long tradition of this kind of behaviour; the rats always leave the ship: “Oh. I wasn't really a K, I looked after the museums.” If this country shall be fixed EVER, the concept of accountability must be introduced.

    @14 Biohazard
    A history class at 'The redneKKK university of Alabama', you mean? See, I don't need a Master in shitkicking and I don't want to have sex with my sister - so thanks, but no thanks.

    Nov 12th, 2015 - 07:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • chronic

    Somber indeed.

    Are any of the rest of the rotting roadkillians this sober?


    Nov 12th, 2015 - 07:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ilsen

    None of this matters. K-ristina has screwed Argentina.
    Notice that many Argentine posters have gone?
    No electricity?
    No faith?
    Not important!

    Nov 13th, 2015 - 05:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • golfcronie

    Let's hope that the next government sees sense and governs the country as it should be governed. But I won't hold my breath. I do hope that they prosecute ALL those that have abused the system and stolen the populations' money. Unless they tackle the problem of corruption and make those responsible pay for those crimes the line will go full cycle. They ( all Argentinians ) need to man up and face situation, it is no good saying “ well he did and got away with it , why not me ” Jail ALL the corrupt element and you will find a better country that in time will be noticed and investment will come.

    Nov 13th, 2015 - 08:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @17 Not really surprising, is it? Think how many have arrived here singing the K's praises, insulting everyone and sprouting the party line, only to become disillusioned and leave. I regard it as having opened their eyes to reality. Each one that disappears is a win.

    Nov 13th, 2015 - 09:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ernest shackleton

    No 13 - “This bloke was the minister for art galleries and statues”

    Statues? Now thats one of the most important jobs in Argentina. So aside from over-seeing the huge factory that mass-produces equestrian statues of San Martin , was he also in charge of the even bigger factory making thousands of “Las Malvinas son Argentinas” monuments..?

    Nov 13th, 2015 - 03:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Tarquin Fin

    You really made that sound funny. :-)

    On that account, I sense that a lot of moves are being made in that direction. It has been done before with the Junta trials in the '80s , so it can be done again. However, I don't feel that we'll get corruption to fade out for at least another decade. Bribery is kind of a second nature to a big number of my fellow countrymen. No trials will do unless a cultural change happens at the same time.

    Nov 13th, 2015 - 08:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HughJuanCoeurs

    “Poverty is similar to that before the 2001/02 crisis when Argentina defaulted and the economy melted“ Crisis? What crisis? It's been that way for a lot longer than 2001/2002.You could say that this is ”situation normal“ and it has been ”Crisis by default”

    Nov 13th, 2015 - 09:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • 313toBioBio

    @15... Do you realize that the peron falsely worshipped ny the k, 's and kiciloff in their speeches was a nazi? A nazi sympathizer at the least that welcomes in loot and war criminals. If you tjink that its coincidence that kiciloff and timerman are running argentina off a cliff than congrats for being so politically cirrect ur brain fell out.

    Nov 14th, 2015 - 03:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0

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