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Argentine president-elect Macri takes office on 10 December; Tuesday meeting with Cristina Fernandez
Mauricio Macri is Argentina's next president following the results of Sunday's runoff, the first in Argentine history. He will take office on 10 December replacing president Cristina Fernandez and twelve years of uninterrupted Kirchnerism. Although definitive results are yet to be announced by electoral officials, the primary vote counting indicated that Macri was winning with a four percentage points over incumbent Daniel Scioli. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesAwwwww those upset Argentine posters on here.
Nov 23rd, 2015 - 07:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0You didn't want this and I'm laughing so hard.
Let us hope that Macri and his government bring Argentina out of the doldrums, because they can't ALL be work shy can they?
Nov 23rd, 2015 - 08:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0YEEES! Now he just has still to make what we holdouts expect from him : Pay your debts!
Nov 23rd, 2015 - 08:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0He will negotiate the debt. No doubt about it. What CFK and the boy Kicillof refused to accept when posturing to the home crowd is the very real advantages for Argentina if they reach an affordable agreement. It will open up the markets to them.
Nov 23rd, 2015 - 08:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0Let's hope he adopts a more realistic attitude towards the Falklands.
Nov 23rd, 2015 - 09:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hello everyone,
Nov 23rd, 2015 - 09:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0I would like to express effusive congratulations to the new president for the next four years. He has the task of working for everyone in the country.
As a staunch believer in unregulated Laissez-faire capitalism, which I at great risk and trouble to myself defended through many years of FpV governance (online and on the frontlines), I hope that the magic of the Invisible Hand can finally be put to good work in the world's 7th largest geopolitical landmass. Any kind of regulation is bad regulation, as it does not allow people to learn from first hand experience the mistakes they have committed, and burdens those with success to cover the expenses incurred by the inefficiencies of the troubled. The best solution is for everyone to independently earn a living in the knowledge that should the fail, they will have alternative in life. This pressure instills duty, discipline, hardiness, efficiency, non-corruption, and success.
I hope unrestricted trade immediately ensues, as unfettered access to goods and services help assuage gaps and shortcomings in the local economy. It also helps raise the “pleasure index” in the population by the availability of luxury, even if it remains out of reach.
Criminals should be ruthlessly punished, and laws should be extremely strict with those that steal and use force to increase their monetary purse.
This will augur an era of wealth flow and wealth ebb.
Thank you.
All the truly bonkers folks are out in force.
Nov 23rd, 2015 - 09:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0Apologies, meant to write:
Nov 23rd, 2015 - 09:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0The best solution is for everyone to independently earn a living in the knowledge that should the fail, they will have NO alternative in life. This pressure instills duty, discipline, hardiness, efficiency, non-corruption, and success.
Gracias
Ding Dong the witch is dead.
Nov 23rd, 2015 - 09:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0@8 Bog off TTT.
Nov 23rd, 2015 - 09:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0You have excelled yourself in ridiculousness.
And by including Argentina's Antartic claim in his comment he just catapulted Australia to being the second largest country on the planet.
Nov 23rd, 2015 - 09:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0Can you specify the meaning of TTT please, since you addressed this to me.
Nov 23rd, 2015 - 10:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0I am here since I figured after staunchly voicing my opposition to the last government, I would find like-minded kindred.
I am very happy and full of hope.
Nov 23rd, 2015 - 10:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0Best wishes to Mr Macri, you have hard times ahead after the kirchnerite plague.
TMBOA must be spitting feathers.
Nov 23rd, 2015 - 10:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0What is with all these acronyms. New members have a hard time deciphering such shorthand. Please specify.
Nov 23rd, 2015 - 10:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0Congratulations to Macri on his election victory, and to all Argentinians on what appears to have been an honest, correctly held election.
Nov 23rd, 2015 - 10:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0It will be interesting to follow what happens to the many government appointees of Christina Fernandez... as well as the currency / business controls.
ANYWAY, I'm sure there will be difficulties ahead, but many other countries will look at Argentina in a more positive light, at least for the moment.
Best wishes everyone.
It will be interesting when Macri enters the presidential palace.
Nov 23rd, 2015 - 10:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0Kristina has robbed the place of everything already.
@16 I am sure there will be a clearing out of K appointees and Macri has no time for the noquis - to use the pejorative term. But he will also have to go slowly.
Nov 23rd, 2015 - 11:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0CFK can dry her tears and go back to what she really is, an activist. She can make long speeches to adoring crowds about the fight against *insert anything she doesn't like that week*.
Congratulations to Mr Macri on a hard fought victory, somewhat against the odds. We now wait with interest to see what sort of tone he will give to his Government, and their continued colonial aspirations to our country.
Nov 23rd, 2015 - 11:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0Oh! Isn't this precious?
Nov 23rd, 2015 - 11:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0TMBOA has to vacate office and give it over to someone who doesn't support Peron it sems.
I wonder what all the government supported drug dealers and the Mafia will do now? Much of the same I imagine.
Still, the guy has a chance, albeit a super-human task, to correct the depravities and thievery of the Kirchner years.
Good luck to him.
Cue Kiki Mashed Potato Head in Canada claiming he supported him throughout!
And YPF increased the cost of gasoline by 4.5% as soon as Macri won. On whose orders I wonder? Guess she has to stuff her pockets full of hard cash before she runs off to wherever she thinks might be a safe place.
Nov 23rd, 2015 - 11:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0A truly sad day for CKS' bashing mob. What now?
Nov 23rd, 2015 - 11:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0After such a long time, we've finally made it. We put an end to the Kircnerite caliphate for good.
Nov 23rd, 2015 - 12:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They once said ''Create your party and win the elections''. Well, here we are.
Don't understimate the will of a nation.
It will take baby steps, but we will rebuild and make this country great again. We will be back to being a normal country.
Oh joy, what a time to be alive. :)
Don't celebrate too quickly. I really think CFK wanted Macri to win so that the collapse will fall during his time in office.
Nov 23rd, 2015 - 12:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This is going to be about messaging.
There's a lot of uneducated people in Argentina that will get violent when they lose their subsidies, direct payments and jobs.
Remember CFK has cut auto parts imports 75% how the F can they build cars without parts, well they can't, so the Gov't has been paying the salaries of the workers so they're not fired.
The gov't has been paying $70/bbl for oil that worth $30!!
There are ships in port that can't unload because they've not been paid.
They estimate because nobody knows that BCRA owes U$9B in overdue import payments.
There are 10s of thousands of gov't “employees” that were hired to keep the unemployment figure down.
All of this doesn't right itself because they have a new head of state.
What the Ks did was criminal.
They're no better than a renter who steals the toilets, the light fixtures, the floorboards when they leave.
I am not sure how he fixes this and holds together their country.
Remember Arg is about 1/2 filled with uneducated and violent people that are easily paid with CFK's stolen Billions.
Its a good first step
just don't celebrate too quickly...
@24
Nov 23rd, 2015 - 01:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are right. But I had to celebrate. There is a certain state of joy that needed to be expressed.
However, the real challenge begins now. Even if Cristina wanted the bomb to explode during the next administration, not even Macri's party was expecting to win BA province. I think a couple of surprising things have changed since the first round on Oct'25.
It'll be all wait and see from now until March.
Voice, think and vestige have gone a bit quiet.
Nov 23rd, 2015 - 01:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well...the voters have spoken, and the Argentines will now have an opportunity to find out who the real Macri is, after having heard all sorts of different (even opposite) ideas, i.e. his recent cutting the ribbon for a Peron statue in Ciudad de Buenos Aires.
Nov 23rd, 2015 - 01:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The best thing for the country was the exemplary election and the gracious attitude of the members of the current government.
Now, I would like to believe voters were right and Macri will do the best for Argentina as a whole.
However, and especially after listening to Macri's speech last night, his shallowness and lack of specifics speaks volumes.
As Elaine said above, “he'll have to go slow,” meaning she knows what he is going to do and want it delivered in homeopathic doses to the people.
More comic are the expressions of revenant yankeeboy, who goes even as far as to say the whole thing was planned by CFK to make Macri fail. (Making an argument in advance for Macri's failures).
Macri will do what's in his DNA, and democracy remaining alive, electors will have another say--firstly, in two years with the renewal of half the Congress members.
@27 You misinterpret my words as usual. At best it is your lack of intelligence but most likely your bitterness at losing leaking all over your words.
Nov 23rd, 2015 - 02:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You have no idea what kind of a man Macri is anymore than you know what kind of a woman CFK is as you are completely out of touch with reality. Keep living in the 70s, it is where you belong.
Reekie, I've been more right with my guidance over time than anyone on this board
Nov 23rd, 2015 - 02:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Especially you.
Nothing makes me more sad and a stupid old person.
I read some of your ridiculous and cringe-worthy testimony you've made over the years. No wonder you didn't win the elections you stood for. I am also surprised the transcripts didn't include “community rolled eyes” or the laugh track.
You're a pathetic Commie has been.
Nobody will miss your commentary.
@27. Well done, Reeki, 7 paragraphs of saying nothing. Let's hear about the “gracious attitude” of KickItOff and the Tim_man. We will have to see whether KickItOff's replacement will offer to repay all debts but BEG for time. Whether there will be a move to make all argies WORK instead of sitting back and waiting for handouts. Probably be best for ex-pats to become liable to tax. At a reasonable rate of 50%. Tim_man's finances need to be investigated. How did he plan to spend a million dollars on his daughter's wedding reception in another country?
Nov 23rd, 2015 - 02:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Macri's failure is not pre-determined. He can now make a sensible move. Proscribing peronism and la campora. Removing the fat kirchner from any office citing bullying, harassment, public disorder.
@27
Nov 23rd, 2015 - 03:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“More comic are the expressions of revenant yankeeboy, who goes even as far as to say the whole thing was planned by CFK to make Macri fail”?? Really?
Argentine Central Bank has a monetary base of U$D 60.000 million (in pesos at the current U$D rate) backed by U$D 11.000 million. Of these U$D 11.000 million only U$D 3.000 million are public funds.
Most of the private companies have not been able to make payments for imported goods the last two weeks. So they are close to a “private default” due to the Central Bank restrictions.
In addition, the Central Bank insuranced almost U$D 20.000 million at the future rate of AR$ 11.00 per dollar until April/2016. This will bring heavy economic loses if a devaluation is needed.
Do you think all these have fun? Berlin 1945 is falling. Wellcome to reality !!!..FACE IT
Uhhh . . . . a few posters are overestimating the range and scope of Macri's ability to effect change.
Nov 23rd, 2015 - 03:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Looking forward to a new generation of perro trolls.
And Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeekie - the gift that just keeps giving. Hey Reek, how does it feel to have sooooooo many of your excountrymen reject and repudiate everything politically and economically that you hold dear? Huh?
Hey Reek, remember who gave you your moniker. LOL.
Reekie often misread or misinterprets posts.
Nov 23rd, 2015 - 03:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I didn't ever say Macri would fail, what I said is when the economy collapses and HE DOES THE RIGHT THINGS TO SAVE THE COUNTRY the FILTHY MILITANT K's may use that time to create chaos.
Hopefully Macri is Argentina's Thatcher or Reagan.
They need some tough love to get this country back on track.
I wish him all the best and I hope he succeeds.
“We have given the world an example of democracy”
Nov 23rd, 2015 - 03:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Indeed you have - a very true statement. I just can't see any other nation copying it.
Well done Macri, you've won a battle but you now have to win the war - and I reckon that will take 2 full terms to clear up the Kirchnerite mess - and thats if you are lucky. In the meantime, if you do only half what needs to be done you are going to be very unpopular for the next few years, so how will you win the 2019 election..?
Nov 23rd, 2015 - 04:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well, here's a cunning plan. Perhaps if some tin-pot country could be persuaded to invade some of your territory that would help? Maybe Paraguay will pull out some 150 year old maps and, on the basis of spurious and long-forgotten claims, occupy the scruffy little hovel of Clorinda (across the river from Asuncion)..? But then comes the tricky part of your armed FARCES being able to gloriously expel the invaders?
Anyway just a friendly suggestion from a well-wisher.
Macri was the right choice. Theres now a chance that Argentina can dig itself out of the hole that it dug for itself. Whether that happens remains to be seen because he still has massive opposition in the country and in Congress. Even the various odious trolls here seem prepared to give the guy a chance. As for the Falklands I look forward to Argentina redeeming itself by quitting its bullying and intimidation and starting to act like a grown up country and not a banana republic. Much is to be gained by trading with the US, Canada, Europe, and Australasia and attracting investment and assistance to make ordinary folks lives better. In 10 years the villas could be gone if the right course is followed.
Nov 23rd, 2015 - 04:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@34
Nov 23rd, 2015 - 04:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You do realize this is what all politicians say anywhere in the world.
Like when foreign leaders from Republics visit Britain and admire the pomp and glamour of the royal fanfare, but you won't see any of them going back home with any real desire (from them or the people) to actually implement it.
As I said many times - and others have said it too - whoever won the election was facing the same disaster CFK and the boy Kicillof have created. Economies move like tankers and they cannot change course quickly. The course has already been set by CFK who was too stupid to change 'the model' when circumstances changed.
Nov 23rd, 2015 - 04:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The reason centre-right Macri is a better hope for Argentina is the perception of him by the markets. He is a businessman and market-friendly. So if Scioli was facing the same crisis there would be very little help available because he was seen as more of the same (though I don't believe that to be entirely true). Macri with the exact same problems is likely to get the outside help Argentina desperately needs.
For Enrique, in simple terms you can understand:
Scioli = bad for the future of Argentina
Macri = good for the future of Argentina
Though they both would have to deal with the same disaster.
Enrique,
Nov 23rd, 2015 - 04:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You have said that Macri is vague and not told people what his plans are, and he will do what is in his DNA.
In other words, he made no false promises and he didn't lie. I'd say that shows his integrity.
A MAJORITY of the educated, as well as the workers, and population of Argentina voted for him.
The Argentine people had the choice to vote for a continuation of the K regime under Scioli.
They rejected that option.
Instead, they voted for someone who offered an alternative, with no promises.
This is very clearly what the people of Argentina want. MORE people want Macri than Scioli. The people that voted him in are the people that lived under the K's for a decade.
You talked of their marvelous social advances and enlightened economic policies and leadership, yet the people in that society wanted them gone.
It's fine for you who have not been there for decades, to say the people want or need this or that, but those who are there know better, and they feel differently from you.
As to Macri's “DNA” and showing the “real” Macri, in the near future we will see the damage of the 'real' K's.
Anybody taking over from CFK is going to be forced to devalue the Peso, as there is nothing left in the bank. The same is true of government unemployment handouts, there is simy nothing left to pay them with.
CFK paid by printing more Peso's, which did nothing but create inflation of +25%.
Anybody coming in will be forced to negotiate a debt settlement or have less and less investment.
CFK has spent everything - things cannot continue as they have done, indefinitely.
After a decade of unsustainable K policies, the Day of Reckoning is here, and CFK will point at Macri and say, “ look what he has done!”
- just as you are doing now.
Put your ideology aside and show some real
empathy for Argentines
Offering detailed plans while running as a candidate is a trap. A candidate should talk broadly about his vision and nothing more. If they are elected he needs to work out the details with the Congress and other interested parties.
Nov 23rd, 2015 - 05:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is the way Trump is currently running and I think its one of the reason he's still on top of the polls.
You sell yourself and your principles nothing more.
Leave the sausage making for the law writers.
@39
Nov 23rd, 2015 - 05:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Let me clarify - before some (half)wit jumps on me,
“The people that voted him in are the people that lived under the K's for a decade.
You talked of their marvelous social advances and enlightened economic policies and leadership, yet the people in that society wanted them gone.”
“ ...wanted THEM gone.” - meaning “THE K's ” gone.
39 Troy Tempest
Nov 23rd, 2015 - 05:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“...those who are there know better, and they feel differently from you.”
My dear: I am pretty much in tune with some Argentines who live in the country. There are 12.2 million of them who voted for Daniel Scioli.
On the other hand, Mauricio Macri got 12.9 million to vote for him.
Macri wins. Democracy works and that is the biggest win for the country in my view. Nothing of what the prophets of doom had predicted happened.
Now, Macri will be president of all Argentines, and whether he will govern for all is the question.
Argentines wanted to see what he will do once he is at the rudder, but they did not give him too large a majority--and that includes the Congress, where the Victory Front keeps the majority. (Rendez-vous in two years).
#40 YB
There you have--Donald Trump, your ideal candidate yankeeboy. Enjoy it while you can!
@40 Of course Macri could not make any promises. The K's have been lying about everything so he has to work out the true state of affairs before making firm plans.
Nov 23rd, 2015 - 05:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Enrique, until you actually go to Argentina you cannot possible understand the real situation there. Why don't you visit?
It seems that some of the trolls have blown a fuse. :-)
Nov 23rd, 2015 - 06:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Savor it Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeekie - it only gets worse.
Nov 23rd, 2015 - 06:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your excountryman can't defer taking their medicine much longer.
Things don't get better - they just start to get real.
Reeeeeeeeeekie tell us something that we don't already know.
Singer and Griesa are getting their carving knives sharp for Thanksgiving!
@42 Enrique
Nov 23rd, 2015 - 06:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“My dear: I am pretty much in tune with some Argentines who live in the country. There are 12.2 million of them who voted for Daniel Scioli.
On the other hand, Mauricio Macri got 12.9 million to vote for him”
First off, do not patronize me, I am not your “dear”.
Macri won a majority - period!!
He won against a populist government campaigning on a platform of Free Football, handouts, and subsidized pensions for those who did not pay in.
He won against a government with a strong media influence, and fierce Nationalist message.
He won against a campaign of unsubstantiated fear-mongering.
Not only did he win, but he won with a SUBSTANTIAL REVERSAL in BA Province, Scioli's and the K's traditional stronghold.
The people that know him best, rejected CFK and Scioli's offer of 'business as usual' and he was soundly defeated.
The tide has changed in Argentina - you are the only one who doesn't see it.
You are the one who is out of tune.
You do NOT speak for the people of Argentina- they are very clearly saying something else.
Reekie has a reading comprehension problem
Nov 23rd, 2015 - 06:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Failed Blogger.
Unelectable Candidate.
He's what most would call a Loser.
Oh, he reads and comprehends, but it runs contrary to his ingrained belief system.
Nov 23rd, 2015 - 06:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He would like to think that his ideology, as applied by the K's in Argentina, is working.
Clearly, it has failed, and the people are moving on to something that will do better in the long run.
He is having a hard time with that.
Of course, he does not live with the day to day reality.
Check out his FB site. He has a comfortable secure life in Canada, surrounded by family that are healthy. He lives just outside a wealthy small city, yet his home is in s beautiful rural area with deer at his back door etc.
It's easy to be a political ideologue from that vantage point.
22nd November !!!
Nov 23rd, 2015 - 07:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0On 22nd November 1963 Jack Kennedy was killed in Dallas
On 22nd November 1990 Margaret Thatcher was deposed
On 22nd November 2015 Cristina's reign was ended and her ideas dumped.
Like Margaret, Cristina stays in office for a short time before being dumped in the dustbin of history. 12 years of failures and lunatic politics ends...
Lets hope he shows the British Falkland's more respect than the old witch did.
Nov 23rd, 2015 - 07:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So this is what I was talking about...
Nov 23rd, 2015 - 08:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Peronists lost in Argentina after 12 years of populist rule, as voters, in a close election, opted for the economically liberal candidate who, according to USA Today, “promised to reduce the state's role in the economy and embrace more pro-business policies.” “Pro-business” is most definitely not the same as being “pro-market,” but we'll see how Mauricio Macri, the new president, proposes to end some of the crippling regulations and interventions that have hobbled the Argentinian economy over the past decade.
...
The new anti-populists lay the groundwork for more economic growth, but they become unpopular when the reality of austerity sets in.
So, new populists are voted in and the cycle begins all over again.
Macri's time may be short lived when it becomes apparent that the way to fix Argentina's economy will involve pay cuts for government employees, less consumption, more work, and more saving.
http://mises.org/blog/peronists-lose-argentina-after-12-years-populist-rule
51
Nov 23rd, 2015 - 08:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, that's the danger.
On the plus side, there will be a disruption in all the cozy back room deals of the K's.
@51 & 52 Except that the people that voted for Macri know this is the only way ahead. They already know cuts have to be made and they are the majority. It is for certain that the Scioli voters are going to be a lot more vocal about complaining and I suspect after not too long their cheerleader will be back stirring them up.
Nov 23rd, 2015 - 08:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Best he checks his fingers after meeting the mad bitch... I reckon he will be lucky if she has left any paper in the presidential bog, never mind the drapes and carpets.
Nov 23rd, 2015 - 08:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I bet the shredders are working overtime across BA just now...
@38 ElaineB - Your post is really on target.
Nov 23rd, 2015 - 08:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0For everyone considering the results / implications of this election... you need to put aside your personal agendas... if you truly care for Argentina, (and I do). Because...
The people have spoken. The results are their will. There will be a different path going forward, that's what they want, and that's the bottom line.
Best wishes everyone. Onward, to a better future.
THE FUTURE OF A NORMAL COUNTRY, BEHIND THE LITTLE BALLONS. (Part I).
Nov 23rd, 2015 - 09:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0All what we are living at the moment is absolutly unedited in Argentina. It's the first time since 1883 that a party rules the nation for three periods, and it's also the first time that one administration transfers the power to another one, but from a different politic party, and without being in the middle of a hard economic crisis, as it happened in 1989, and in 1999.
On the other hand, not many governments around the world can remain in office for so many years, without capitulating in their convictions, despite the fierce attack that some of the them receive by the economic power, as it happened with kirchnerism.
If along all these years, the country had changed just a little, a conservative like Mauricio Macri wouldn't have made politic campaign saying that in case he wins the elections, he will keep all the achievements that workers could get, despite his party voted against most progressive measures taken by kirchnerism at the congress, however that promess was the main reason of his electoral victory.
These objetive facts show clearly that perhaps a relative majority of our citizens is angry with C. F. K., but not with her policies, in fact, Daniel Scioli was at less than 2 points of winning the election, although Macri's triunph is absolutly legitimate, but the different with his adversary is too short, (Macri almost 52%, Scioli 48,6%).
I'll always be very thankful for having lived this politic time, despite all the serious challenges that we still have as a nation, it's undeniable the fact that now we have a normal country, where people don't have to leave Argentina, because they don't have a future, if it wasn't true, Macri wouldn't make campaign saying that he'll keep the achievements that kirchnerism gave workers, which shows clearly that in the context of the new Argentina, there is not so much social consensus for neoliberalism, that's why Macri had to change his posture.......
@56
Nov 23rd, 2015 - 09:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“...without being in the middle of a hard economic crisis,...”
You really need to lay off the sauce.
#56 hey axel grease.....congratulations, corruption may be part of the past now, now more mafioso presidency.
Nov 23rd, 2015 - 09:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh and by the way.......2011....Asslips Kirchner won with 54% hardly a screaming mandate for change.
THE FUTURE OF A NORMAL COUNTRY, BEHIND THE LITTLE BALLOONS. (Part II).
Nov 23rd, 2015 - 09:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Firstly i want to say that i didn't type the right number in the second line of my lecture, i wanted to say that it's the first time since 1983 that a party rules the nation for three periods, not 1883.
Along these weeks i have been thinking so much about my pupils, most them are between 13 and 18 years old, but i have been thinking mostly about those who are going to finish their secondary school in a few weeks, and who will have to look for a job. When i talk to them, they tell me they have good perspectives to study, or to find a job. What makes me feel very happy, is to see that they are living a much better country, than the one i lived when i was their age in the 90's.
For all these reasons, i have always said that it will be be extremely difficult to dismatle the achievements that workers could get, without paying a very hard politic cost.
Finally i want to say that although i had always had so much faith in a victory of f. p. v., i had never discarded a possible triunph of the opposition parties, because i would never commit the stupid mistake of underestimating the different adversaries, it would be such a stupid thing to do, i don't have a mediocre mentality like many of those imbeciles, who have always underestimated us, because we vote for kirchnerism.
@56 Axle Aargh,
Nov 23rd, 2015 - 09:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0YOU don't speak for the Argentine people, not even half of them... !!
They disagreed with your opinions about CFK's governance.
It's telling that, all things being equal, same social programs in place, they had no faith in Scioli, the puppet of CFK, or the incumbent party with all the same players - they wanted change and hope.
Your opinions are irrelevant
TROY TOMPEST.
Nov 23rd, 2015 - 09:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Who told you that i speak for the argentine people?, do you think it's you the one who speaks for our citizens?.
I only make an interpretation of a fact, which is not less respectable than anybody else's, if you weren't so reactionary, you would see that not only your opinions are relevant.
59 Ack Cell Aargh,
Nov 23rd, 2015 - 10:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don't get all self-righteous with me Ack Cell,
You blow yourself right out of the water when you comment on “Opposition ” supporters or “adversaries”
as “imbeciles” and “mediocre”,
@59
“i don't have a mediocre mentality like many of those imbeciles, who have always underestimated us, because we vote for kirchnerism.”
You very much seem to feel it's alright to “lecture” everyone on your political opinions, though you certainly have no tolerance for the opinions of others.
I find it scary that a politically biased individual such as yourself is lecturing children on your view of politics.
That would be unthinkable in a developed free society.
You should be lecturing on Critical Thinking
- and let them decide what is true and best for them.
What a hypocrite you are !
Whats red and swollen??
Nov 23rd, 2015 - 10:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Reekie's asshole from licking, trying to console himself.
Macri will hopefully throw out the remaining K scum Kristina has implanted in the govt to help cover her tracks.
“Along these weeks i have been thinking so much about my pupils, most them are between 13 and 18 years old, but i have been thinking mostly about those who are going to finish their secondary school in a few weeks, and who will have to look for a job.”
Nov 23rd, 2015 - 11:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Wow nothing sums up the different paths that Australia and Argentina have decided to take.
Here you wouldn't be preparing many students who are under 16 for leaving school to work. You would be preparing them to continue their education until they finish their secondary schooling. Or you would perhaps be preparing them to move to TAFE training and an apprenticeship.
But not preparing them to leave school and then work.
For your oldest students you would be preparing them for university. After all, if you had helped and convinced them to continue their secondary education instead of going to TAFE or into the apprentice system then this is the next logical step.
No teacher should be helping a secondary student to prepare to leave school and just work.
Secondary education shouldn't be seen as the last rung on the ladder.
I feel sorry for the students that are having their futures stunted by such shortsighted educators such as Axel.
Here it is 2015. There he is acting like it is 1915.
Guess that is why our countries have radically different trajectories today.
It's posts like Axel makes that tells me Argentina will never be a legitimate country. It will never move beyond being a 3rd world sh*thole ruled by a mob.
Nov 24th, 2015 - 01:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0Reading between the lines, he advocates for an overthrow of gov't if they cut off subsidies and direct payments to the undeserving.
It's the reason I think they need a Pinochet type to sort it out once and for all.
He is too stupid to realize that they've been in recession since 2011. There's no production only debt and more pesos.
And he doesn't care
He wants them to end up like Venezeula everyone fighting over the last roll of toilet paper.
Silly stupid fool
I was hoping for Scioli to win, because the memory of most people is so short, that when Macri does what has to be done, cutting subsidies, firing hundredthousands of incompetent peronistas who were hired because of Nepotism, so in two years many of the ill educated Argentinos (remember Sarmiento's anagram: “Las palabras: ARGENTINO e IGNORANTE se escriben con las mismas letras.” = 'argentino' and 'ignorante' are written by the same letters) will blame Macri for the Kircherist disaster, thus creating a risk that Cristina will return as the bipolar ... oops, sorry la presidenta.
Nov 24th, 2015 - 02:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Invisible Hand will punish those who don't deserve, and reward those who deserve.
Nov 24th, 2015 - 05:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0The best safety net is the risk of death. That's why LF-Capitalism works, and quickly. Eliminates the weak in short order and leaves the strong to create vast wealth.
@67 Tobi Gelando
Nov 24th, 2015 - 07:56 am - Link - Report abuse 019.04 10:38
“All people now in GB and far over the borders that the Upper Class with the stiff lips are rotten to the boons without a very few exceptions!!!”
“The Invisible Hand will punish those who don't deserve, and reward those who deserve.”
You're a looney!!
I think you have problems. I don't even know what you are talking about. The second quote is my quote, as a life-long advocate of LF-Capitalism (LFC)
Nov 24th, 2015 - 08:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0@68 It is just TTT trying to stir.
Nov 24th, 2015 - 08:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0@66 Macri should be absolutely transparent about the real mess the K's have left behind. He should lay it out for everyone to see as the disaster he has inherited and then give people hope wrapped up in a plan to get out of the mess.
You are right that people will only tolerate austerity for so long before their patience runs out. Educating people to the reality will be the key.
Macri simply must implement LFC. Everything else will take care of itself.
Nov 24th, 2015 - 08:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0The best safety net in a society is the certainty of death should you not have the IQ to earn a living exploiting the resources, invent something people want, or have the physical strength to endure 16 hours work shifts.
If Nostrils now wants laissez faire capitalism then I hope he is again bitterly disappointed by reality.
Nov 24th, 2015 - 08:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0I've never advocated laissez faire capitalism and am extremely thankful that my country has never attempted it.
If only the world was as black and white as an Argentinean education would have you believe. Thank God for the all the rainbow colours.
LFC works. It brings the best in all, and with legerity disposes in a sanitary fashion those who cannot.
Nov 24th, 2015 - 09:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0The only thing TTT wants is attention.
Nov 24th, 2015 - 09:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0Oh I know that.
Nov 24th, 2015 - 10:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0But I can never resist showing his glaring stupidity.
#73
Nov 24th, 2015 - 10:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0LFC is a synonym for greed.
LFC will eventually produce an elite with all the wealth and an underclass living in abject poverty Eventually this will produce an uprising and the edifice will come tumbling down...in bloodshed. Capitalism with a social conscience is a different matter.
Agreed. LFC doesn't have much room for people selling obsidian. It would dispose of them in a sanitary fashion.
Nov 24th, 2015 - 11:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0The problem is who decides the “conscience” of LFC.
Nov 24th, 2015 - 11:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0It still produces some animals that are more equal than others.
Good in theory, terrible in practice.
The fear of starvation is the most powerful deterrent against waste (corruption).
@76 TTT absolutely does not support this form of capitalism as he has stated previously telling us how he has nothing and doesn't need anything. He is trying to imply that Macri = LFC which is a nonsense.
Nov 24th, 2015 - 12:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“LFC will eventually produce an elite with all the wealth and an underclass living in abject poverty ” Ironic isn't it that Peronism has created a wealthy elite - the ruling government - and pushed the middle class into the poverty class. Poverty has not been alleviated under Kirchnerism is has just been ignored.
Methinks Toby is worried that his Mother won't be able to afford gas or groceries.
Nov 24th, 2015 - 12:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@80
Nov 24th, 2015 - 12:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No gas, no molotovs...
@79
Nov 24th, 2015 - 01:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I most certainly do not support this form of capitalism, since I am not this so-called TTT.
Capitalism should be pure and free. The Invisible Hand is incorruptible, “conscious men” are.
And people work “a little harder” when the alternative is a slow, wasting death. LFC will work as it has always worked in bringing countries to 12-15% growth rates, which is what Argentina, the United States, and China posted when they adopted at some points in the last 150 years.
You know, this may be the perfect opportunity to rid Argentina of its currency and start using the U$.
Nov 24th, 2015 - 01:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do a conversion to 20/1 and declare the Peso ( or whatever the 10+ other ones have been called over the years) illegal.
It would solve most of the problems they have in 1 action.
The Yen would be a better peg, an export-oriented economy so it will tend to favor a weaker currency.
Nov 24th, 2015 - 01:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But it is incompatible with LFC, in fact the Central Bank should be abolished and each private bank issue their own currency. It created 17-20% annual rates of growth in the world in the late 19th century, the period of greatest increase in prosperity in Human history when several areas of the globe at once saw the rise of the middle class.
@80 Fear, yes. Everything you told him would happen is now lined up. How Marci acts now won't stop it all but it may mean there is more help around to alleviate some of the consequences of Kirchnerism. He may yet set in place the chance of a better future.
Nov 24th, 2015 - 01:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Whatever happens to TTT he should not consider a career in acting.
85. You'll see a lot of the crazies come out now. Look at Axel's post, that's the scariest one on the board. That guy has some serous mental issues, he's been totally brainwashed and doesn't even realize it.
Nov 24th, 2015 - 01:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Toby is just someone who will never grow up. He's probably in his 30s still living at home, typical Rg male with arrested development, dirty clothes and hair.
He must have found $10 peso note so he can spend some time at the Locutorio. It'll run out soon enough and he'll be gone.
Finally, it looks like the Dark Country is switching a few lamps on.
Nov 24th, 2015 - 02:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Trading within the Pacific Alliance is just a couple of years away.
@53 Don't overestimate the people. There are some who know what's going on but the vast mayority voted for Macri simply because they are fed up of the Ks.
Nov 24th, 2015 - 04:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Apparently, Macri said the meeting wasn't worth it - there was no agreement on how to manage the transition.
Nov 25th, 2015 - 03:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0Also, there's a conspiracy theory that the initial figures given a ~11% Margin for Macri over Scioli were the correct numbers but the progressive reduction to ~3% was due to an agreement between CFK and Macri that if he allowed this she'd allow a peaceful transition. With the true ~11% difference she'd have lost her party. Even so, Macri received the most votes than any Argentine president has ever received.
Whether this is true or not, some of the threats from K supporters are terrible - they are really bad losers! They need to be reminded that in a democracy the side that gets the fewest votes loses. Those are the same rules that Macri had to abide by so just accept it and stop the tantrums!
@89 Zaphod
Nov 25th, 2015 - 05:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0With respect, I can't see why he would yield to what amounts to extortion, especially if her popularity is lower, and therefore, her supporters have far fewer numbers, and would be unpopular themselves.
But then, it IS Argentina.
90. You're underestimating how violent the Peronista's are, you've obviously never lived there.
Nov 25th, 2015 - 02:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0These scumbags have nothing to lose.
The middle/upper class are cowards, they'll hide behind their 12 foot gates with private guards and watch as everything is destroyed around them.
Macri will have the military after Dec 10.
Then all bets should be off...
@ 83 yankeeboy: “You know, this may be the perfect opportunity to rid Argentina of its currency and start using the U$.”
Nov 25th, 2015 - 04:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0More like a perfect opportunity to commit financial suicide.
Pegging the peso to the US$ was a major reason for the meltdown in the late 1990s, when you could pay in pesos or US$ in the shops in Argentina.
Pegging the peso to the US$ prevented the necessary flexibility when e.g. Brasil, the main business partner, first devalued the Real and then let it float, loosing more than 40 percent against the dollar.
At the same time the US$ gained value against most other currencies, dragging Argentine export prices up, because Argentina stubbornly and stupidly fought to keep the peso/dollar peg.
I didn't say peg it to the U$.
Nov 26th, 2015 - 06:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I said get rid of the peso altogether.
Why don't you take a look at the countries that have done it successfully and rethink your post. All of them have a growing economy with little ( or no) inflation.
Even pegging the Peso to the U$ is not what ruined the economy last time, it always the same, inflation and corruption, working like Greeks and living like French.
That hasn't changed nor do I think it will change.
Argentines have the stupidest mfg base, they make the same products as their largest trading partner except their bad quality and more expensive.
They think depreciating the Peso and making everyone poorer fixed their lack of ability to produce stuff people are willing to pay for.
Successive bad gov't run by a union mafia.
Hannibal lector
Nov 28th, 2015 - 08:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You have to feel sorry for her, chuckle,
Apparently she turned up at the meeting with a white gown on, grey hair and a face mask, they thought the asylum officers were wheeling in Hannibal lector,
She was spitting vile crude words at him,
So they say.
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