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UK expects new Canadian government will continue to support Falklands

Wednesday, November 25th 2015 - 07:21 UTC
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The UK government is looking forward to working with the new government of Argentina and hopes the people of the Falkland Islands will not suffer the bellicosity shown by the current administration, said Foreign Office minister Hugo Swire in Parliament. Read full article

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  • tHroUGH_THE_lOOKING_GlASS

    Cameron and hist government haven't even had the decency to congratulate Macri.

    Not even in this session, could the legislature of this country bring itself to even issue a protocol memo.

    I think Macri should take note of this and act accordingly. The best time to capture people's true feelings about you is when they think you are not looking. All other EUropean governments congratulated Macri, but Cameron et al.

    Macri must remember when they put on their British pretense of friendship and use pompous flowery bombastic language to win your graces when they actually have some ulterior interest.

    Nov 25th, 2015 - 08:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Skip

    Wow.

    Needy much?

    Nov 25th, 2015 - 09:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • golfcronie

    Just because Cameron has not been reported as congratulating Macri doesn't mean he hasn't. Christ as if Argentina really matters that much as so much more important things to address are at hand.

    Nov 25th, 2015 - 09:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • tHroUGH_THE_lOOKING_GlASS

    I think we once again are in observance of the Anglo duplicity, when they are the first to blast people like Maduro for not congratulating Macri as being undignified and petty, but if the British do it and it's called out, then you are “needy”.

    As usual, there is no standard that people like Skip keep up to, they just move the goal to fit expediency.

    Nov 25th, 2015 - 09:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Brit Bob

    ''Argentina has for decades claimed sovereignty over the Falkland islands, but the British government says the claim has “no basis in international law” and should be withdrawn. The Foreign office states that “we support the people of the Falkland Islands as they determine their own political and economic future”.

    So true. Facts speak louder than rhetoric and fairy tales: https://www.academia.edu/17799157/Falklands_-_Some_Relevant_International_Law

    Nov 25th, 2015 - 09:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Skip

    What standard have I breached?

    I always love it when you just invent stuff.

    You have no proof that Cameron hasn't congratulated Macri. Indeed, considering the immaturity shown by many Argentineans when it comes to the UK; as you have just given us an example of; it would be more likely that Macri was happy to receive his congratulations and decided to not publicise it.

    Argentina can hardly complain of the treatment it receives from other countries considering its actions over the past 12 years.

    To show you a comparison, both Cameron and Obama called Turnbull to congratulate him on his elevation to the prime ministership and he has even received a face to face invite to visit the White House.

    I didn't hear CFK congratulated him though..... double standards much?

    Nov 25th, 2015 - 09:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • tHroUGH_THE_lOOKING_GlASS

    I do not need proof...

    Any such formality would be made public by now and there is no reason for Argentine or British media to bury it. It simply did not happen just face it.

    The point is... 12 years of many (particularly the British government), blasting the Argentine government for its breaches of protocol, crass tact, lack of diplomacy, and just the general stuffy (and vacuous) formalities British in general love. The first chance they have with a new (and potentially friendlier government), they pull off a perfect CFK by not even not congratulating, but by demanding another (just elected) government's continued support in some territorial matter.

    I ask you, had CFK not congratulated a new British PM and in fact gone in front of congress to ask that the new Canadian gov support Argentina in the Falklands matter, what would the reaction of YOU and the others be.

    Just brainstorming here.

    Nov 25th, 2015 - 10:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • golfcronie

    I will say it for Europe , congratulations Maduro for running your country sooooooooo well. TMBOA tried sooooo hard to emulate him but time and money ran out, it will be interesting to see how much money is left in the till.

    Nov 25th, 2015 - 10:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Room101

    (1)
    Reminder: The Canadian Prime Minister is meeting the Queen today and very cordially...and congratulated in person; not over the phone.

    Nov 25th, 2015 - 10:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • tHroUGH_THE_lOOKING_GlASS

    Argentine presidents do not accept congratulations from unelected monarchs, it's a tradition since 1827. Which is why Rajoy in Spain did congratulate but the King did not.

    Nov 25th, 2015 - 10:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Alejomartinez

    Canada is a OAS member. OAS has historically called for negotiations so that both UK and Argentina solve the sovereignty dispute. Let us hope this stance in favour of peace, international law and multilateralism prevails

    Nov 25th, 2015 - 10:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • downunder

    Actions speak louder than words and Macri, the new Argentine president, needs to demonstrate that he and his government are prepared to behave in a decent, civilised manner. This includes treating the Falklands, like neighbours and not the enemy and addressing all the other problems created by the former Argentine government.

    Argentina’s behaviour over the last twelve years has been appalling and the new Government has a lot of fence mending to do before the hand of friendship and diplomatic courtesies will be offered.

    Nov 25th, 2015 - 11:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    @1 NOSTRILS

    This crying and attention-seeking tantrum, “ What about us!! What about us!!” coming from you, is so ironic that it cracks me up!!

    That's quite different from your usual, “ we hate you!! We don't need you!! We don't care what you think!! We don't need or want your approval!! We can do far better without you!! You hate us and we don't care...!!! ”

    You can't stand it, Nostrils!! I thought you hated Macri - now you want respect for him??

    We might respect Macri, but never NOSTRILS the halfwit!!

    Skip was right @2 - you are so needy!

    LOL LOL LOL... !!!! :-D

    Nov 25th, 2015 - 11:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • M_of_FI

    @7 - “I do not need proof...”

    This pretty much sums up Argentina's mentality when it comes ot making any kind of statement.

    So the British Government didn't publicly congratulate Macri, but the Falkland Islands Government did. I think that says a lot, particularly if you consider the recent Argentine Government's behaviour towards the Falklands and its people.

    Nov 25th, 2015 - 11:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Skip

    Yeah, I can't really work out what the point is of all his posts.

    Some sort of validation perhaps?

    Another breakdown. Another reset. Why is he so predictable?

    Nov 25th, 2015 - 12:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    @11 Alejomartinez,
    We donot have a dispute.
    We are happy with the status quo.
    Therefore we see no need for “negotiations”.
    lndeed what is there to “negotiate” about?
    Argentina wants our land & we donot want to give it to you.
    ln fact we will not give it to you.
    Why should we? You have no right to our land & you have no rights here.
    You also offer nothing in return.
    lt is Argentina that has a dispute(in their own minds!lol)& your attitude will get you no-where.
    Please just go away, we don't need you & we don't want you.
    Scram.

    Nov 25th, 2015 - 12:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    #16
    It's Argentina who has the dispute. The UK and the Falklands do not. It was settled in 1982.
    Argentina can settle it by acknowledging that they have no legal claim, remove it from their constitution and get on with bringing their country into the 21st century.

    Nov 25th, 2015 - 12:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • tHroUGH_THE_lOOKING_GlASS

    @12

    I think it does not work that way.

    No matter what a government done to another, that other government needs to reach out as much as the other.

    If not, then it does not deserve any attention.

    @14

    But the Falklands are not a sovereign state, it does not carry the same level of pedigree.

    Nov 25th, 2015 - 12:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • golfcronie

    @18
    You talk Bollox

    Nov 25th, 2015 - 12:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • tHroUGH_THE_lOOKING_GlASS

    I find it interesting...

    That the people that were begging for a “professional, mature, internationally engaged, respectful, tactful, diplomatic, amiable, and conciliatory” Argentine government and people are the ones on this board showing absolutely no positive contributions to the debate and are acting in a {insert the antonym of all the words in quotes here}.

    Note the replies above.

    Nov 25th, 2015 - 12:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • zathras

    7 tHroUGH_THE_lOOKING_GlASS (#)

    Did Argentina congratulate the Falkland Islands when they had a fair and internationally monitored and recognized referendum?

    All Argentina did was have a hiss fit and make further claims about the people of the Falklands having no rights.

    The more Argentina bullies the Falkland Islands, the more stupid Argentina looks to the free world.

    Under the last 12 years Argentina has gained nothing from the Falklands.
    However the Falklands have gained everything.

    Nov 25th, 2015 - 12:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Islander1

    Alejo 11 If you lok it up you will find at the OAS:
    Canada opposes Argentina,s continual calls over the Islands

    USA stays neutral

    Therefore OAS does not get solidarity and thus no collective effect.

    Nov 25th, 2015 - 01:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • M_of_FI

    @18

    Pedigree? I think your country needs to look at itself if you want to hold other countries to a pedigree standard... your ambassador in London would heckle British Ministers and your President would attack the British Prime Minister at a function nothing to do with the Falklands. Let’s not forget all the actions of Argentina to isolate and force islanders to negotiate with Argentina.

    The Argentine hypocrisy of holding others to a higher standard than it applies to itself is still in force.

    Nov 25th, 2015 - 02:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • golfcronie

    @21
    Argentina does NOT think that the FALKLANDERS are a people

    Nov 25th, 2015 - 03:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DerkeBlake

    @ 11 Alejo

    Not going to happen.

    At the OAS in 2012, Canada's PM personally vetoed an Argentine request to get the Falkland’s issue into the heads-of-state’s concluding communiqué.

    And to quote John Baird, Canada's (great) former foreign affairs minister, at the OAS, “The issue of Canada’s policy does not change, we support the self-determination of the people of the Falkland Islands, as we do people everywhere around the world”.

    Democracy at work. You're starting to get a handle on it; please don't give up.

    Nov 25th, 2015 - 03:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    25 Derke

    Good to see that kind of integrity.

    This is a reminder to the OAS and other self-important bodies, that the unspoken policies or 'incliations' of such organizations cannot override Int'l Law or the principles of personal freedom and the UN Charter guaranteeing Self Determination.
    Well done, Canada!!

    Thanks for posting - it had to be said!

    Good to see you again.

    Nov 25th, 2015 - 05:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Voice

    Once again Canada shows up the fifth columnists and naysayers living like leeches in the safety of the UK. e.g. Voice

    Nov 25th, 2015 - 07:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    The “voice” character and most of the other cast members of the Panto Puppet Players, have buggered off for now.

    “voice” can't say anything against Macri or the Brits, without sounding like the Panto horse's ass he is.

    Nov 25th, 2015 - 07:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Voice

    Yes Troy, definately the rear half. Think obviously finds it attractive :-)

    Nov 25th, 2015 - 07:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Vestige

    I expect no mention of the isles from Trudeau.

    I believe he will be the last Canadian pm to meet the queen of England, and the last Canadian pm to govern a constitutional monarchy.

    Times have changed.

    Nov 25th, 2015 - 08:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Skip

    Yes yes Vestige.

    I don't think Trudeau will bring up the Falkland Islands. It isn't amateur hour like when Argentina continually raises it or issues communiques stating support without any equivalent one from the host country they were visiting.

    And, of course, he won't be meeting the Queen of England as the last one died 301 years ago.

    After getting that wrong it is hardly surprising you are so delusional about Canada's republican tendencies. They only have to look south to see how lucky they are.

    Aaah it is nice though that the continual existence of the Commonwealth Realms continues to annoy you so much. 2015 ends as 2014 did, with no momentum for change.

    Guess you'll just have to suck it up mate. LOL

    Nov 25th, 2015 - 09:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pete Bog

    @30

    “I believe he will be the last Canadian pm to meet the queen of England”

    Why, is he going to dig her up? Or communicate at her graveside?

    Disturbing the last Queen of England's grave is not very diplomatic.

    And I can't imagine a meeting with a skeleton will be particularly fruitful?

    Nov 25th, 2015 - 09:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    #1
    Do you read the B.A. Herald ? According to that paper, the UK and German govts. have sent a congratulatory message to Macri.
    BA HERALD Quote:-
    “The government of the United Kingdom was the latest to send its greetings to Argentina’s new President-elect Mauricio Macri yesterday, with Minister of State at the Foreign & Commonwealth Office Hugo Swire adding a caveat that he hoped it would lead to improved relations once outgoing President Cristina Fernández de Kirchner stands down on December 10 ”

    Are you capable of getting ANYTHING right ? It gets rather tedious pointing out your continuing errors.

    Nov 25th, 2015 - 09:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Vestige

    31 - Time, and the popularity of the plant whisperer is all I need.

    How about you.

    Nov 25th, 2015 - 09:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • golfcronie

    @32
    At least she can turn a deaf ear to them and not offend them, very diplomatic as always

    Nov 25th, 2015 - 10:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    @33,35

    I still have to laugh at neglected NOSTRILS plaintive indignation @1.

    He wants to know why the Queen and Cameron honour Trudeau with messages of goodwill, but not Macri.

    LOL, it's too rich!!
    Lemme see, Her Majesty is Trudeau's Sovereign, and the Queen of Canada and other Commonwealth countries.

    Macri is the President Elect of a hostile nation that has waged an aggressive propaganda and economic war against the UK, and had, within living memory, invaded a BOT, resulting in great loss of life.

    I just can't believe he brought it up!

    Gracious as the British are, they have now embraced Macri as a welcome replacement for CFK.

    On the radio today - Trudeau's meeting with the Queen. He joked with her that the last time they met, he was a small boy and she was much taller than him. The Queen was very much amused.

    Nov 26th, 2015 - 12:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Skip

    Vestige

    With time anything is potentially possible.

    However I live in the now. And right now, Canada (together with Australia) is a constitutional monarchy.

    One day, the nation-states of Australia, Canada and the UK may not even exist in their current form or indeed in any form. Nothing is guaranteed.

    You, on the other hand, love to make grand pronouncements on the end of monarch in certain countries but they are nothing more than that... pronouncements. You don't let pesky inconveniences such as reality of facts to get in your way.

    I mean, supposedly Australia is on our way to a republic..... supposedly..... still nothing is happening.

    Keep up with your predictions. Can you remind me when the last one actually came true?

    Nov 26th, 2015 - 03:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DerkeBlake

    @30

    Strangely enough, support for the monarchy in Canada appears to be growing.

    The last major poll on the subject, a Canadian Press Harris-Decima survey, indicated a 5 percentage point increase in support for keeping the Queen as head of state, over a few years earlier (probably due to a baby or something). It's currently sitting around 50%. I doubt that the structure is going to change in any of our lifetimes (let alone in the next four years), due to the fact that, whether good or bad, our constitution makes such an amendment exceptionally difficult, if not almost impossible. Regardless, it's way down the list.

    I'm sure if Betty could convince Chuck to take a pass, and go straight to her grandson, that number would trend even more upward.

    Well rather silly, it's been proven that there are occasionally worse avenues than the womb to choose a head of a state ......... GeorgeW, CFK, Dilma, theDonald!! (heaven forbid), etc etc
    ; )
    D

    Nov 26th, 2015 - 03:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Hepatia

    The UK will return the Malvinas within the next 25 years.

    Nov 26th, 2015 - 03:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    39 Hepatia

    Do you even know why you say that?

    Wishful thinking???

    Or, is it just something you learnt by rote at skool or Campora Juvenil?

    Nov 26th, 2015 - 03:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcos Alejandro

    UK demands new Canadian government to continue to support their colony.

    Nov 26th, 2015 - 04:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • golfcronie

    @41 Marcos
    We in the UK don't generally “ demand ” anything, we “ ask ” that they stand by their commitment as regards “ self-determination ” Notice the difference “ demand and ask ” If you do not understand the difference then look it up on Wikipedia.

    Nov 26th, 2015 - 07:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    42 golf

    Marcos is consistently the stupidest time-waster on MP

    Nov 26th, 2015 - 07:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    39 Hepatia (#)
    The UK will return the Malvinas within the next 25 years

    And Argentina will return Patagonia in the next 25 years....

    it matters not who runs Argentina,
    they either seek to be friends with the British Falkland's,
    or they choose not to,
    time will tell if the two can move forwards or Argentina decides to remain in the past.

    Nov 26th, 2015 - 10:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Vestige

    38 - Anybody can cherry pick one preferred survey, heres mine - only 34% of Canadians want Charlie as monarch from a forum research poll in the national post.
    The monarchy in Canada WILL be changing in our expected lifetimes, and there IS a major event on the way to bring about that change.
    I think we both know what that is.

    Four years is a lot of time to certain people.
    “Way down the list” is correct only if the list is pretty short term.

    37 - yes with time anything is potentially possible, but Im not discussing abstract possibilities across aeons.
    Lets be honest, the probability of certain events after 90 is in the 'dont plan your weekend yet' end of the spectrum. And thats on a Thursday.

    The talk of 'well we'll just skip Charlie' doesn't really work either as thats not what a monarchy does by definition, thats a chosen or elected leader.

    Also, for all his doofus failings he seems to have a sense of history and integrity and doesn't seem like the sort to put aside his sense of propriety for his subjects preferences or foreign territory. He wont sell out after all these years, nae decades, of waiting.

    The blue blood era is over, it takes a Putin or a Merkel or an Obama these days.

    Nepotism, while it still has its place, just doesn't work quite as well any more. Joe/Jane Public now lives in a world of proof, of near Darwinian merciless filtration, you have it or you don't, you can or you can't, pass or fail, lowest performers get cut - thats human society these days.
    Daddys name can't influence the database. The database doesn't care.

    And when Joe/Jane pulls out their smartphone and sees someone getting a free ride they're not in the mood for a decorative plate like days past.
    Free information means a more informed public means less suckers.
    And suckers* is traditionally what a monarchy needs to survive.

    *airhead female readers of glossy celebrity magazines may suffice in certain contexts, especially when combined with a wedding and/or baby.

    Nov 26th, 2015 - 06:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DerkeBlake

    @45 Vestige

    It is not “cherry picking” a poll; and YOUR selected poll is not even in conflict with my selected poll. In fact, quite the opposite (a trait that is certainly not exclusive to, but most often practised by the malvinists here; referencing data that supports your opponents position).

    You can read the Forum Research poll that the NP is referencing here:

    http://poll.forumresearch.com/post/1390/increase-in-those-with-no-opinion

    Whether or not a citizen prefers Charles becoming the sovereign is most certainly not exclusively interchangeable or synonymous with whether or not a citizen agrees with the monarch assuming the role as our Head-of-State. Those who would much rather have William directly follow Betty are also in that other two-thirds. I would humbly suggest that (those 34%) who support Charles as Head of State are the unwavering, die-hard monarchist contingent. Regardless, if you read the byline on the poll that YOU reference, it states:

    “Fewer now reject Prince Charles as head of state” thus reinforcing my premise @38 that support is actually growing. Yes, even Chuck is becoming more popular!

    As for changing our head of state; the required federal and provincial consensus that is required by our 1982 Constitution Act is almost insurmountable, approaching the legislatively impossible (that very constitution repatriated to Canada by Justin's own father, by-the-way).

    Not one of the three major federal political parties (Conservative, Liberal, or even the socialist NDP) favours abolition of the monarchy in Canada. Only the Bloc (which got 4.7% of the popular vote in October) favours such.

    The organization (Citizens for a Canadian Republic) which promotes and advocates the replacement of the Canadian monarchy has somewhere less than 300 members at last count (2012). Not an intimidating contingency in a country of over 30 million.

    So no, the peasants aren't exactly ready to storm the Bastille here.

    Don't hold your breath.

    D

    Nov 26th, 2015 - 07:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Skip

    So much for brevity.

    There's no momentum for a republic. Opinion polls haven't shown a trend in support but rather the opposite. Because of this, republican organisations have resorted to a new tactic of making republicanism a popularity contest. They realise they can't win such a contest with the Queen so now they ask pointed questions such as our last one here:

    “When Prince Charles becomes King of Australia, will you support or oppose replacing the British monarch with an Australian citizen as Australia’s head of state?”

    However this is dangerous because it isn't appealing to republicanism but instead to popularity. The whole glossy celebrity magazine variety.

    Alter the question to the Queen or Prince William and the answer will be radically different.

    That is why it won't work.

    You can make all the excuses about why a monarchy doesn't work in the modern world but you can't deny it does work.

    Some of the world's most developed, stable and prosperous nations on this planet are constitutional monarchies: Denmark, Norway, Netherlands, Sweden, UK, Australia, Canada, NZ..... we don't worry about having a Putin circumventing constitutional safeguards or a Kirchner eroding checks and balances or worry that the army will depose yet another president. No worry at all.

    When ARM makes it into a personal popularity contest then how would people react to a question such as:

    “When Prince Charles becomes King of Australia, will you support or oppose replacing the British monarch with a president such as Putin as Australia’s head of state?”

    Popularity contests wax and wane but this is about a constitutional system and not popularity.

    There is no parliamentary debate on this. There is no movement towards referenda. While I talk of Australia it seems to fit for Canada as well.

    It's a non-issue except for the continual stream of newspaper articles by ARM spruiking the issue.

    A form of autofellatio.

    Nov 26th, 2015 - 07:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    @47

    Well said.

    @46 DerkeBlake

    All good points Mr. Derke.

    One has only to look at the underlying bitterness and his own frustrated entitlement that RT's dupe, “vestige” displays, to understand his motivation,

    @45
    “And when Joe/Jane pulls out their smartphone and sees someone getting a free ride they're not in the mood ... ”

    “Nepotism, while it still has its place, just doesn't work quite as well any more”

    “Daddys name can't influence the database”

    “The blue blood era is over, it takes a Putin or a Merkel or an Obama these days.”

    The condescension is hilarious when Vestige is suggesting “a Putin” a de facto Dictator is a desired model for leadership. How about Maduro, too?!

    Vestige really does not understand the Monarchy, or the Constitutional Monarchy form of government.

    All he knows is that HE doesn't have what they do - and he'll never get it.

    Sorry Vestige...

    - you'll never be a Royal.
    - The Monarchy is self supporting.
    - The Monarchy is part of our national and historical identity.
    - The people are ruled by their elected representatives.

    @45
    “Free information means a more informed public means less suckers.
    And suckers* is traditionally what a monarchy needs to survive...”

    Vestige, write “Dictator” where you said “monarchy”.
    There's a “sucker born every minute”, and you're one of them.

    What you are getting is MIS-information.
    As a true critical thinker, you need to check your sources, and do your research, instead of just drinking the Kool-Aid.

    What a dupe you are.

    Nov 26th, 2015 - 08:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    Got the message, Vestige?
    We like our Queen.
    Next question!

    Nov 26th, 2015 - 09:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    49 Isolde

    and don't get started about “nepotism”
    - he has no idea what he is saying, just a self-centred wingeing that life “isn't fair”.

    Vestige,
    go take responsibility for yourself, instead of crying.

    Nov 26th, 2015 - 09:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    I think someone has lost the thread here.
    I thought it was whether or not Canada would continue it's support for the status quo in the Falklands Unless I have missed something, I have seen or heard nothing to the contrary.

    The usual ArgyBargy deflection to hint that they know that the Canadians are desperate to rid themselves of the Monarchy .

    What the ####do Argies know about anything outside their own dung heap !

    Nov 26th, 2015 - 10:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    51 Clyde15

    He feels dis-enfranchised somehow, and he's not even British.

    There are 7 Billion people on this planet, and only one opening for King of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

    He should prepare himself to accept second best.

    Nov 27th, 2015 - 12:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • downunder

    'Malvinas' is the bastardisation of the French name for the Falkland Islands.

    Nov 27th, 2015 - 02:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Vestige

    Congressman Vestige has the floor.

    46 - I must disagree with your interpretation of these figures.

    Firstly, 45% disagree that the plant whisperer should be next head of state. 33% agree he should. On first appearance figures, this poll is a win for MOI pas TOI.

    AHA...But dig deeper and guess what .... oh yeah it still supports me.

    Let us take another quote from the same page:
    “His negatives have dropped below half, but it still doesn’t look that good for the heir to our throne when more people don’t want him to serve his constitutional duty than want him to,“ said Forum Research President, Dr. Lorne Bozinoff.”

    This at a time of maximum marketing effort, weddings, pomp and all the bullsht used by a pretty damn good PR team to buy off the ladies' tiny minds with princes and castles and the promise of babies.

    Now to the two arguments that I usually get:
    1) Ah, but things are improving, polls are strongest for X years.
    2)It doesn't matter - paperwork will save the majestic ones.

    1: When you find yourself fishing for individual anomalous results from the many polls this is not to be taken as a good sign. Any improvement for the monarchists is a blip, an anomalous peak and trough, in the downward trend.
    Lost ground is very very hard to regain - republicans rarely convert to monarchists, hard to do after you see the light.

    2:No, paperwork wont save them for a couple of reasons.
    A: When you've lost the people you can call yourself whatever you want, doesn't matter. It may as well be you or I calling ourselves king of Canada.
    B:If you go against the majority, word spreads, you're seen as an impostor and the public opinion quicksand only ever deepens - demise inevitable. This may be why the monarchists are in a minority since 2005.

    Also, I wouldn't worry about membership of ccr, this is like quoting the member numbers of a billiards club. Theres only 50 members ergo its a tiny sport - dont think so. Quebec alone swiftly disproves this.

    No space left.

    Nov 29th, 2015 - 09:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    #54
    Are you Voice ?
    #30
    You believe....Well it MUST come to pass. What else have you in your crystal ball ?

    Nov 29th, 2015 - 11:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    54

    You are truly, A Rebel Without a Cause.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IchGuL501U

    Nov 30th, 2015 - 02:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Vestige

    56 - dont hate me, hate the angus reid statistics.

    55 - no.

    Nov 30th, 2015 - 12:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    57 vestige/voice/think

    You are truly

    off-topic.

    Whether you like it or not, Canada supports the Falklands, and Canada is aligned with the UK and what she stands for.

    You are irrelevant.

    Nov 30th, 2015 - 05:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Vestige

    How can I be off topic, the headline refers to the Canadian state govt, the majestic leader is head of state.

    True, but so are you.

    So are all the working simps.

    Dec 01st, 2015 - 09:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Voice

    55
    Strange question to ask Clyde...there is only one Voice...
    When have I ever said anything against the Queen...?
    She does a good job...didn't ask for it...has to forsake all possibility of a normal life and her influence and position within the UK and Commonwealth is not harmful to it's image...
    It's not a position that most people would want and I don't envy her...
    Financially she costs me pennies...
    Plus it's a historical connection that has spanned centuries in a changing and uncertain world....I like it....tradition....
    Charles is mad as a Hatter, but not a bad man either...

    Dec 02nd, 2015 - 01:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ilsen

    It's nice to have Voice/Vestige here to remind us why sanity should prevail.

    Dec 02nd, 2015 - 02:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    59 Simp

    Prime Minister is just that, the PRIME Minister.

    They have changed the PM, not the Head of State.

    The Topic:
    Will the new PM maintain the same position as the previous PM regarding the Falklands?

    The topic has nothing to do with whether you are entitled to be King.

    butbyou know that, right?

    Dec 02nd, 2015 - 05:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Skip

    The Queen is 89.

    You would think that if places such as Australia and Canada are so adamant to becomes republics when Charles becomes king, then they would be planning now?

    Unlike in Russia, referenda and legislation don't happen overnight.

    Dec 03rd, 2015 - 10:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Vestige

    A change in Canadas relationship with GB, such as dropping the majestic ones and allowing a Canadian to be head of state, would change Canadas policy to the Malvinas.
    Most likely to a stance similar to the rest of the american continents' countries i.e. either open support for Argentina, or indifference/tacit support for bi-lateral negotiations.

    I believe this will happen within Trudeaus term. Thus the monarchy is relevant.

    63 - That planning has been taking place and there has been talk of referenda. Its been brought up by parliament in Canada and Aus, and in Aus case had open support from a pm during Gillards term.
    And yes countries are adamant check the polls.

    Dec 04th, 2015 - 02:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    #64
    What makes you think that the rejection of the monarchy would advance Argentina's claim to the Falklands in Canada.?
    I think not...more like two fingers OR deux doigts to Argentina..
    Dream on. It's not the Monarchy that binds relations between Canada and the UK. It's centuries of shared history, immigration and values. Why should they suddenly be great chums with Argentina ? In your dreams.

    Dec 04th, 2015 - 04:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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