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London and BOTs reaffirm right to self determination and “countering hostile sovereignty claims”
The United Kingdom and British Overseas Territories have agreed to work together to counter hostile sovereignty claims and defend the right to self determination, according to a communiqué issued by the Joint Ministerial Council meeting in London which also touches upon the EU Referendum, tax and banking. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesFalkland Islands - Self-Determination: https://www.academia.edu/11206553/Falklands_-_Self-Determination
Dec 05th, 2015 - 09:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0South America confirms that it will continue boycotting 5 Eyes. Our objective is to block all companies from England and the United States (the other 3 Eyes are blind and have nothing of value to be blocked).
Dec 05th, 2015 - 10:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0Also, we will be banning any trade with 5 Eyes. Also banning the circulation of money from them (it looks more like toilet paper).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnyydXXWZ3M&list=FLmXPTu1f8AdGlizWNiASx2A&index=34
Bye bye 5 Eyes!
No you won't!
Dec 05th, 2015 - 10:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0Lovely fairytale though.
@2 Forget the internet then, and aeroplanes and cars, medicine, films, music, tv etc etc etc… prat!
Dec 05th, 2015 - 12:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@4 We have already all these things. Included airplane was invented for us (Alberto Santos Dumont, the Great)
Dec 05th, 2015 - 12:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 05 just like Biro, with a British patent?
Dec 05th, 2015 - 01:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nowadays we build large-scale airplanes. We export these toys to the whole world.
Dec 05th, 2015 - 01:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Regarding the drugs we have phosphoethanolamine that is synthesized in Brazil with patent in Brazil and is being tested for the ultimate cure of cancer.
Do you want more or satisfied?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlJ1u1GgaFs
Hold your horses, my dear British Colonial Gentlemen...
Dec 05th, 2015 - 01:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Firstly..., British (Colonial or otherwise) Citizens do..., of course..., enjoy the right of Self-Determination.... in the United Kingdom that is....
But NOT in MOT's (Militarily Occupied Territories) thousands of miles off their Motherland...
My dear mate, Engrish born and bred MLA Roger Edwards knows all about that...
Secondly..., in the issue of the Argentinean South-Atlantic/Sub-Antarctic Islands & Antarctic Continent..., we Argies expect you..., dear British Colonial Gentlemen..., to behave in exactly the same manner as you already did with the Aussie and Kiwi Convicts...
That is.....: Retiring silently and gracefully to your Northern Hemisphere Den, leaving them old Colonial Southern Territories to be administrated by the adjacent Nations...
Thirdly...:
Imploding it is, indeed, that South Atlantic Engrish Pirate Mississippi Bubble...
16 November...:
Rockflopper Exploitation...: 35 pennies...
Falkland Oil? & Gaaaaas...: 10 pennies...
B&S (Bullllllllllll &Shiat)...: 1.98 pennies...
Arghhhhhhos Resources...: 6.25 pennies...
26 November...:
Rockflopper Exploitation................: 34 pennies...
Falkland Oil? & Gaaas (defunct)...: 9.92 pennies...
B&S (Bullllllllllllllllllllll & Shiat)...: 1.88 pennies...
Arghhhhhhhhhhhhos Resources...: 5.88 pennies...
01 December...:
Rockflopper Exploitation................: 29.75 pennies...
Falkland Oil? & Gaaas (defunct)...: 8.10 pennies...
B&S (Bullllllllllllllllllllll & Shiat)...: 1.82 pennies...
Arghhhhhhhhhhhhos Resources...: 5.88 pennies...
04 December...:
Rockflopper Exploitation................: 28.75 pennies...
Falkland Oil? & Gaaas (defunct)...: 8.09 pennies...
B&S (Bullllllllllllllllllllll & Shiat)...: 1.78 pennies...
Arghhhhhhhhhhhhos Resources...: 5.88 pennies...
*(All info, courtesy of...: http://www.londonstockexchange.com/prices-and-markets/stocks/stocks-and-prices.htm)
Chuckle, chuckle...
Oh dear... poor Think.
Dec 05th, 2015 - 01:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 01. Falkland Islands are part of the UK - so you just accepted their right to self determination.
2. They aren't militarily occupied. You may be confused by a short period during 1982 when they were.
3. Kiwi convicts....... Argentinean education rears it head.
4. You just gave British Antarctica to the Falkland Islands as it is an adjacent nation.
5 Eyes never will step in Antarctica.
Dec 05th, 2015 - 02:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We'll sink the your ships before that!
And Total War!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ieRETFCdvYw
Too late.
Dec 05th, 2015 - 02:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 05 eye countries already hold 58% of Antarctica's territory
Brazil holds 0%
China holds 0%
Russia holds 0%
India holds 0%
South Africa holds 0%
Sink our ships? You can't even fart in a paper bag.
(9) Please educate yourself, my dear, young Oz Turnip...
Dec 05th, 2015 - 02:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 01. The Malvinas Islands (aka Falkland Islands) are NOT part of the UK...:
”The fourteen British Overseas Territories (BOT) are territories under the jurisdiction and sovereignty of the United Kingdom, but not part of it.”
http://www.consoc.org.uk/other-content/about-us/discover-the-facts/what-is-the-british-constitution/in-detail/
2. Militarily occupied they are..., indeed.
At an 1:1 rate to the minuscule British squatting civil population...
3. Kiwi escapee convicts from OZ to be more precise..., my dear young Turnip...
1. As I said, part of the UK. We seem to be in agreement.
Dec 05th, 2015 - 02:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 02. Militarily occupation does not reply on a ratio. But awesome try there mate.
3. So the convicts came from Australia..... that would still make them..... Australian convicts!
Brasileiro and Think = two peas from the same pod! Spouting rubbish left right and centre!
Dec 05th, 2015 - 02:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But Think is making progress.
Dec 05th, 2015 - 02:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Today in post 12 he conceded that the UK has jurisdiction AND sovereignty over the Falkland Islands. Not Argentina.
He also seems to believe that someone's national identity changes when they move somewhere. For as an Australian convict becomes a New Zealand convict by a change in location then surely those Engrish that move to the Falkland Islands have now become Falkland Islanders?
Give them enough rope.....
Sink our ships LOL.
Dec 05th, 2015 - 03:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Navy of Brazil consists of 13 Frigates all designed and mostly built in the UK.
Unfortunately in the 1970!
1 former French aircraft carrier built in the 60,s equipped with American aircraft that first flew in 1954.The carrier was bought for £12 million about scrap value,it rarely turns a screw.
You could sink the Argentine navy but then it sinks its self.
@12
Dec 05th, 2015 - 04:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Please educate YOURSELF dear “Thunk”
“The fourteen British Overseas territories are territories under the jurisdiction and sovereignty of the UK but are NOT part of the UK”
Agreed.
British citizens have the right to self determination in Britain
Agreed again.
British Overseas Territories citizen have the right to self-determination in those territories....
Argentina has no rights in any of the British Overseas Terrorites...and never will.
However Spanish, German, Italian and pseudo-Danish colonial Citizens or otherwise do have the right to self determination in Argentina.
Anglo Turnip at (17)
Dec 05th, 2015 - 05:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“The fourteen British Overseas territories are territories under the jurisdiction and sovereignty of the UK but are NOT part of the UK” .... says the UK Government, and ONLY the UK Government...
“British citizens have the right to self determination in the UK”... says the UK government AND all relevant theoretical and practical International and National Jurisprudences..
British Overseas Territories citizen have the right to self-determination in those territories..., says the UK Government and ONLY the UK Government...
Argentina has no rights in any of the British Overseas Territories...and never will..., says WHO???
Argentinean Citizens do have the right to self determination in Argentina... says the Argentinean Government AND all relevant theoretical and practical International and National Jurisprudences..
Simple...
@2
Dec 05th, 2015 - 05:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Our objective is to block all companies from England and the United States”
So you are not making Gripens now?
If so, they aren't going to work well without the British equipment they use.
@8
“ leaving them old Colonial Southern Territories to be administrated by the adjacent Nations”
Replace ' administrated' by 'destroyed' for an accurate prediction of the effects of your colonialism.
Glad to see that, as Nick Lowe wrote, the is so much,“Peace, love and understanding” going on here.
Dec 05th, 2015 - 05:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@18 Not Thinking
Dec 05th, 2015 - 06:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The populations and legitimate governments of said British Overseas territories say they have the right to self-determination, and that Argentina has no rights regarding those territories, and Argentina is absolutely powerless to do anything about it, no matter how many quango “Minister for Malvinas Affairs” jobs it creates.
#18
Dec 05th, 2015 - 07:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentinean Citizens do have the right to self determination in Argentina... says the Argentinean Government AND all relevant theoretical and practical International and National Jurisprudences..
Could not agree more. You can do what you want in your own dung heap and we will do what we want in our dung heap
in the issue of the Argentinean South-Atlantic/Sub-Antarctic Islands & Antarctic Continent...
From where did you get this fairy tale ? Why not claim the whole of S.America and see where that gets you.
Argentina... a crowd of unprincipled thieving bandits...if given half a chance.
TWIMC
Dec 05th, 2015 - 07:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina is not claiming the rest of South America... nor the Arctic... nor the Moon...
Argentina is claiming the same as Australia and New Zealand claimed and got from them Engrish pirates and their Scottish, Welsh and Northern Irish sepoys...
That is...: All the Subantarctic Islands and Antatctic sectors adjacent to their respective territories...
No Fairy Tales here... Just geopolitical realities...
No more...
No less...
300 miles is adjacent.
Dec 05th, 2015 - 07:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No how
No way
That's an even worse argument than the ancient history argument these idiots try to make.
Anyhoo did you notice YPF is worth about 1/2 what CFK paid now.
Any guess what will happen when it loses its massive subsidies?
Any guess?
Bahahahahaha
Losers.
British Overseas Territories citizen have the right to self-determination in those territories..., says the UK Government and ONLY the UK Government...
Dec 05th, 2015 - 08:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not true Thunk....try and educate yourself. The United Nations say that the people's of the NSGTs have the right to self determination. You remember in 2008 when you and your Latin chums tried to insert “sovereignty disputes” as a reason why they shouldn't.......you failed Think.
So, according to the UN General Assembly and the UN Charter...not just the UK Government....the same folk who recognise Argentine sovereignty as gained by the genocide of the Amerindians.
You might not like it, Thunk, but your entire reason for posting (living?) is worthless and flawed.
David promised to campaign to come out, if no agreement by dec, meeting, he wont get it, and he still wont lead the OUT group,
Dec 05th, 2015 - 08:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0David will campaign to staying in right up to the point that his own MPs kick him out,
these brainwashed politicians are anti British full stop.
All the BOTs will be safe, as long as the British government eagerly or reluctantly agrees to look after them, as is there rights,
but if Europe gets us, and they get a new Turkish president, [ Mustapha laugh ] then all will be lost,
so they say.
Winter in Europe will be the great test; all those immigrants and the lack of matching resources...
Dec 05th, 2015 - 08:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Anglo Turnip at (25) says...:
Dec 05th, 2015 - 08:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“The United Nations say that the people's of the NSGTs have the right to self determination.”
I say...:
The United Nations says indeed that the “*** PEOPLE's ***” of the NSGTs have the right to self determination...
About the squatting British citizens in the Islas Malvinas (a.k.a. Falkland Islands) they say that...:
”The way to put an end to the “SPECIAL AND PARTICULAR COLONIAL SITUATION” of the Malvinas Islands (Falklands) was the “peaceful and negotiated settlement of the dispute over sovereignty” between Argentina and the United Kingdom.”
http://www.un.org/press/en/2015/gacol3283.doc.htm
Huuuge difference...
23 Think-me-not
Dec 05th, 2015 - 09:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina is not claiming the rest of South America... nor the Arctic... nor the Moon...
For now they are not, for now..... Tell me Think-me-not.
Is it not true that the ORIGINAL ( bogus ) Argentine claim was for the Falkland Islands ONLY yes???
But now it seems to include South Georgia and the South Sandwich islands AND British Antarctica...... How these three can be described as Antarctic sectors adjacent to their respective territories, I do not know.
Then again, I don't have some doctored map of the South Atlantic to refer to like you.
“adjacent to”:- that's a posh way of saying “next to” isn't it? When I last looked, South Georgia was not Adjacent to / next to argentina, it was 800 miles from the Falkland Islands which are, in turn, 400 miles from argentina.
Then again, as I've said, I don't have some doctored map of the South Atlantic to refer to like you.
Does this mean that we here in Britain can lay claim to any land mass “adjacent to our respective territory” 1200 miles away ?
You say:-
“Argentina is not claiming the rest of South America... nor the Arctic... nor the Moon...”
I say:-
Not yet you ain't......Not yet............
Anglo Turnip at (29) says...:
Dec 05th, 2015 - 09:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”... But now it (the Argentinean claim) seems to include South Georgia and the South Sandwich islands AND British Antarctica...... How these three can be described as Antarctic sectors adjacent to their respective territories, I do not know.“
I say...:
He may ”not know”, but, as I already have said at my post Nr. (8)...; Her Majesty's government know precisely what to do....
The very same thing they already did twice...
First with the Australian claim over their adjacent Insular and Continental Antarctic territories...
Then with the New Zealand claim over their adjacent Insular and Continental Antarctic territories....
That being... retiring silently and gracefully to their Ol' Brutish Northern Hemisphere Den..., leaving them old Colonial Southern Territories to be administrated by the adjacent young Nations...
Simples...
30 thinkvoice
Dec 05th, 2015 - 10:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You have said precisely nothing to advance your argument.
28 thinkvoice
“I say...:
The United Nations says indeed that the “*** PEOPLE's ***” of the NSGTs have the right to self determination...”
Oh, that old nonsense again. The “people's of...” - show is where it means anything else except the people that live there.
The Peronists made up this silly claim, they trot it out whenever the country's economy dies so about every decade.
Dec 05th, 2015 - 10:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Their morning, whining and crying has never advanced their claims.
It never will
Chile should take whatever provinces they want.
Its not like Argentina could stop them
at this point they couldn't stop Paraguay.
Why did Think spend all night advocating the transfer of the British Antarctic Territory to the Falkland Islands?
Dec 05th, 2015 - 10:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0His use of Australia and New Zealand as precedent doesn't favour Argentina as these were British Dominions at the time.
The closest thing to a British Dominion in 2015 is a British Overseas Territory.
Think has already clarified that BOT's fall under UK sovereignty. He has also clarified that they are UN NSGT.
UN NSGT are governed by the UN Charter.
The UN Charter cannot be modified nor selectively imposed nor limited by a committee. No matter how special it is.
The UN Charter contains Articles 1 and 73.
UN Charter Arricle 1 states “...self-determination of peoples...'
UN Charter Article 73 states ”...that the interests of these inhabitants of these territories are paramount...” It doesn't mention 'peoples'.
Not that that is important as there is no agreed definition of 'peoples' in international law. So I doubt an Argentinean from Chubut will be called forth to adjudicate on what constitutes a 'people' in international law.
So why does he act as if he can?
Indeed, I doubt there are any countries that want this definition clarified in international law.
Even if the Falkland Islands are indeed a 'special and particular colonial situation', there is nothing in that phrase that limits the application of the UN Charter.
It is just a phrase.
@33 Skip
Dec 05th, 2015 - 11:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“UN Charter Arricle 1 states “...self-determination of peoples...'
UN Charter Article 73 states ”...that the interests of these inhabitants of these territories are paramount...” It doesn't mention 'peoples'. ”
Well, that pretty much nails shut AvoiceofThink's attempt to mis-inform. The “inhabitants” and “peoples” are synonymous.
Not that the legal interpretation is up to him.
Just like it is not up to him who is “British” or not.
Troy
Dec 05th, 2015 - 11:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It won't be the UK that prevents the UN from defining 'peoples' in international law, it will be the multi-ethnic countries such as China, India and Russia, not to mention pretty much every country in Africa that will do anything to prevent it.
So you can be sure that Argentina will never approach the ICJ to prevent the Falkland Islanders being declared or considered a 'people' because that would set a precedent on what is a 'people' and that would rattle the developing world more than the west.
Everyone is happy with the some concepts remaining vague as no one loses.
Resolution 2625(XV) Of 1970 states:
“The establishment of a sovereign and independent State, the free association or integration with an independent State or the emergence into any other political status freely determined by a people constitute modes of implementing the right of self-determination by that people.”
“The territory of a colony or other Non-Self-Governing Territory has, under the Charter, a status separate and distinct from the territory of the State administering it; and such separate and distinct status under the Charter shall exist until the people of the colony or Non-Self-Governing Territory have exercised their right of self-determination in accordance with the Charter, and particularly its purposes and principles.”
There are no limitations placed on this to what constitutes a 'people' nor does it apply selectively to only some NSGTs.
Think is rehashing half remembered and vacuous claims that have no basis in international law.
By his own logic, Argentina has no rights to either the Falklands or British Antarctica.
That is why in 2015, they don't have them.
35 skip,
Dec 06th, 2015 - 12:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks for that.
Thinsvoice is just being obstreperous.
He is dredging up the prevalent Troll arguments of three years ago, that were summarily dispensed with, about the time that the FI held its Referendum of Self-Determination.
He is flailing around looking for personal relevance, in a sea of ambivalence - who gives half a second's thought to what he thinks!
Agreed Troy
Dec 06th, 2015 - 01:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0Think is articulate. However he suffers from two problems.
He can't resist insulting people. It's in his nature and he can't suppress his need to continually do it.
He also relies on his ability to be articulate to hide the repetitive and shallow nature of his claims, facts and beliefs.
After being told that there is no definition of 'peoples' in international law, he will go silent and then just ignore and repeat his claims at a later date.
Argentina's claims rely on ignorance and emotion. Think attempts to perpetuates that reliance to non-Argentineans ignoring that they are not limited by the ignorance and emotion manifested and encouraged within Argentinean society.
Thicko @30 ' to be administrated by the adjacent young Nations...'
Dec 06th, 2015 - 03:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0So how does proximity work with Macquarie Island? 790 miles from Australia.. 580 from NZ.
Norfolk Island? 760 from Australia, 440 from New Cal, 400 from NZ
And of course Christmas Island? 840 from Australia, 180 from Indonesia.
Get over it Think, the FALKLANDS WILL NEVER BE ARGENTINIAN.
Dec 06th, 2015 - 11:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0SS-Panzergrenadier-Regiment Nordland, or Finnisches Freiwilligen Bataillon der Waffen-SS - which one was it VoiceofThink? A Scandinavian war criminal heritage to be proud of? These Nazi recruited SS criminals participated in attempted illegal invasions of lands which didnt belong to them. Does it sound familiar? Or was daddy a member of the SA, or a prison camp guard? Do tell? Is this why you support the invasion and takeover of peaceful islands that dont belong to you? Does this kind of illegal and obnoxious behavoir run in the family?
Dec 06th, 2015 - 11:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0Even though Think can't resist insulting people, it is clear that he is far from the worst culprit on here.
Dec 06th, 2015 - 12:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Its a fair question.
Dec 06th, 2015 - 12:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@10. Already there, total prick. Brazil may have to die. Probably the best thing for a heap of shyte.
Dec 06th, 2015 - 01:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@18. Here's a tip, tink. Argieland doesn't have the courage to take its non-existent false claim to the ICJ. Plenty of examples in international law to show that argieland's “claim” is no more than the assertions of faggots.
Here's a different approach. Citizens of the Falkland Islands have the right to self-determination. Britain has the right to annihilate anyone who objects. The UN has the right to confirm UNSC resolution 502 and request the defeat/obliteration of the aggressor.
Think voice and all the little puppets, are a paid Troll, and do not live in Arg.
Dec 06th, 2015 - 02:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@19
Dec 06th, 2015 - 02:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0When not in our interest or we imagine that the English think of betrayal us, our manufacturing capacity will replace all the English components that are in attack aircraft.
Remember we do not buy the fighter, or the license to manufacture it. We bought the technology of building the fighter. And we can replace any part of the aircraft for some part that we find most convenient to our interests.
So, Saxon, is that you need to worry about fully serve our interests or you will be out of business the next day.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhQxRxV52qE
@45
Dec 06th, 2015 - 03:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Is this Simple Semper?
@45 At the moment you have trouble making corned beef tins that dont leak. How are you possibly going to make aircraft components? Anyway Nostril you are an Argie troll based in Europe and like VoiceofThink etc, you know nothing.
Dec 06th, 2015 - 03:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 047
Dec 06th, 2015 - 03:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0St. Petersburg most likely
Never in our short history we were alone. With us there billion people who seek an opportunity to enter into a competitive world. The name of these people is BRICS.
Dec 06th, 2015 - 03:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But we are not cowards and we honor every point of the contract signed with Sweden (representing the British interests at that time).
But, Nostril, you claim to be an Argie inhabiting Mendoza, so you are nothing to do with BRICS. Another cynical distortion of truth. Been to all four, they all had something in common - widespread ignorance and poverty!
Dec 06th, 2015 - 04:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What does the S stand for?
TWIMC
Dec 06th, 2015 - 07:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 01) I can read above that them Anglo Turnips AGAIN & AGAIN question the “Argentinean unwilligness” to take the Malvinas sovereignty dispute to the International Court of Justice...
Please Anglo Turnips, educate yourselves...:
The UK does *-* NOT ACCEPT *-* the compulsory jurisdiction of the I. C. J. under Article 36-2 for ANY dispute that have arisen BEFORE 1 January 1974....This, of course, INCLUDES the Malvinas sovereignty dispute....
But don't take my word for it... Google it!
2) Though there is quite a lot of international disagreement about who constitutes “*** A People***” with Self-Determination Rights..., there is a Broad International Consensus about who doesn't...
Some examples...:
The 150,000 strong & colourful Paki colony in Bradford does NOT constitute “***A People***” with any Self-Determination Rights... (Even if they make England's best Currys)
The 100,000 strong & affluent Argie colony in Miami does NOT constitute “***A People***” with any Self-Determination Rights... (Even if they make USA's best barbacues)
The 2,500 strong Engrish Squatter Colony in Malvinas does NOT constitute “***A People***” with any Self-Determination Rights... (Even if.... sorry, can't think of anything ;-)
Simples...
Utter tripe from the twat of Chubut as usual. How can you compare ethnic groups of recently arrived immigrants in the midst of well established countries with an island people going back 8 generations? Think, you just demonstrated the severe limitations of your reasoning and argueing powers and the murky depths of your noxious predjudice!
Dec 06th, 2015 - 07:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As the offspring of a Waffen SS war criminal it shows that your Nazi characteristics run deep. Stealing peoples homes is in your blood.
The UK does *-* NOT ACCEPT *-* the compulsory jurisdiction of the I. C. J. under Article 36-2 for ANY dispute that have arisen BEFORE 1 January 1974
Dec 06th, 2015 - 07:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0link please to specific page..
does not war, cancel out any previous agreements that were pending ,
As long as the people freely vote to remain British, then surely that is the end of any future argument.
democratically thinking like...
Think
Dec 06th, 2015 - 08:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thank you very very much for proving the EXACT point I have been making.
While also concurring that 'peoples' are NOT defined in international law.
See, you are capable of learning from me. It truly warms my heart.
However there is no “broad international consensus” (no need to capitalise as it is not a concept). International law and the interpretation of concepts in international law is much more precise than a touchy feely concept of a broad international consensus.
Until such a “consensus” becomes law it remains just that.
However considering Argentina's migrants, perhaps it will even be in Argentina's interests to not have self determination extended to all the Welsh, Bolivians, Paraguayans etc within its current internationally recognised borders.
Or maybe international law could be more precise than your facile musings.
Why are there so many Argentine nationals in the capital cities of Europe living as citizens of this countries? Especially Madrid and Rome but Paris and London, too!
Dec 06th, 2015 - 09:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 051 Think
Dec 06th, 2015 - 10:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”The 150,000 strong & colourful Paki colony in Bradford does NOT constitute “***A People***” with any Self-Determination Rights... (Even if they make England's best Currys)“
Give you enough rope huh Think-me-not???
We all know that your ignorance is Colossal, but in that last statement it has proved to be Humongous!!!!!
Everyone knows that you get the best curry's in the U.K from Leicesters' ”Curry Mile”
Think? What happened? Oh, Macri won, Peron dumbos defeated. Think now relegated to the minority. Argentina now talking to USA and Britain again, a new era opens up for Argentina. The old bat is still raving on and issuing threats. BOTs in a new era too. St Helenas airport fully operational soon. 12 years of Peronism consigned to the dustbin of history. Wealth that could have been invested in restoring Argentinas fortunes squandered on the workshy feckless lazybone idlers. Its a long way back from the third world. Not only was KFC a bad leader she is evidently a bad loser too. Only four more days until a new dawn.
Dec 06th, 2015 - 10:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0OMG, the troll has sunk to new depths. So the only reason that Argentina doesn't take it to the ICJ is because the UK wouldn't accept the outcome. Bahahahah!!! Look what you've become you bitter loser.
Dec 06th, 2015 - 10:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do you seriously expect anyone (including yourself, LOL) to believe that is the only reason Argentina doesn't give the ICJ a go? Because it would be a waste of time? Instead the Argentine government wastes huge amount of resources it doesn't have trying every cheap trick- and absolute waste of time- that it can dream up in the hope that worldwide opinion will change in its favour.
So you don't think a favourable ICJ ruling that the UK refuses to comply with would be a worthwhile example of evidence that may change worldwide opinion?
Bahahahahahahahahah. Oh fuck I just wet myself. LOFLMAO.
Just sayin...
Chuckle chuckle.
The ICJ can issue an advisory opinion.
Dec 07th, 2015 - 01:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0Instead of adjudicating a specific legal case, they can merely advise on the interpretation of a law.
There is nothing stopping Argentina asking many questions. Such as:
* are the Falkland Islanders considered a 'people'?
* does the term 'special and particular colonial situation' mean the Falkland Islands are prevented from options available to other NSGT?
* was the recent referendum legal?
* has Argentina ever had sovereignty over the Falkland Islands?
* if yes, has that sovereignty been extinguished?
* is Argentina's territorial integrity disrupted currently by the Falkland Islands being British?
* would Argentina's territorial integrity be disrupted by a future delectation of Falkland Island independence?
There's dozens of questions. However the answers might not be to Argentina's benefit.
None of these require British permission. Nor would their issuance be hindered by British refusal to participate.
There is no way the UK would ever let a bunch of foreigners sat in the Hague...decide whether it has Sovereignty over those islands...
Dec 07th, 2015 - 02:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0Their whole presence in the South Atlantic would be held in the balance by others...too much to lose...it would never happen...
Anyone that thinks they would allow this... doesn't know the British....
The UK will return the Malvinas within the next 25 years.
Dec 07th, 2015 - 02:55 am - Link - Report abuse 060 wee man thinkvoice
Dec 07th, 2015 - 03:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well, that's only your opinion. We know what that is worth, and as usual, it's not up to you.
Voice
Dec 07th, 2015 - 04:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0You have no proof for your claim. Especially considering there is more than one issue at hand in that region. There isn't a single case that could be bought to encompass all the British territory in that area.
But this still doesn't stop Argentina asking for advisory opinions.
Do try to keep up.
HEPATITIS - YOU STILL KEEP PUTTING OFF THAT DATE, DON'T YOU?
Dec 07th, 2015 - 06:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0IDIOTA!
Hepatia has just accepted reality.
Dec 07th, 2015 - 07:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0We really should be grateful that she now sides with the British.
As 25 years never arrives, Hepatia is forced to concede that for the foreseeable future the Falkland Islands will continue to be British.
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Dec 07th, 2015 - 10:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0I am sure that her post is just programmed to be automatically sent out about every 10 days.
It's only purpose is to annoy and she probably does not believe it.
I am sure that if we consulted Nostradamus you could probably find some obscure allusion referring to the Falklands.
The ungodly beast in the south will try to subjugate the righteous by lies and subterfuge but a pestilence called K. will sow the seeds of their own destruction....in 25 years..
The argy government has been very quiet abt the British Falkland's,
Dec 07th, 2015 - 12:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0all they have to do now, is get rid of the unsuccessful holy man- Hepatia
at least for the next 25 years lol..
We do know one thing, Think is definitely not an attorney.
Dec 07th, 2015 - 05:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That has to be the stupidest analogy I've ever seen on these boards.
Anybody looked at the Market today?
Dec 07th, 2015 - 06:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 016 November...:
Rockflopper Exploitation...: 35 pennies...
Falkland Oil? & Gaaaaas...: 10 pennies...
B&S (Bullllllllllll &Shiat)...: 1.98 pennies...
Arghhhhhhos Resources...: 6.25 pennies...
26 November...:
Rockflopper Exploitation................: 34 pennies...
Falkland Oil? & Gaaas (defunct)...: 9.92 pennies...
B&S (Bullllllllllllllllllllll & Shiat)...: 1.88 pennies...
Arghhhhhhhhhhhhos Resources...: 5.88 pennies...
01 December...:
Rockflopper Exploitation................: 29.75 pennies...
Falkland Oil? & Gaaas (defunct)...: 8.10 pennies...
B&S (Bullllllllllllllllllllll & Shiat)...: 1.82 pennies...
Arghhhhhhhhhhhhos Resources...: 5.88 pennies...
Today, 07 December...:
Rockflopper Exploitation..........: Down 10.43% today to 25.75 pennies...
Falkland Oil? & Gaaas (defunct)...: Down 9.37% today to 7.35 pennies...
B&S (Bullllllllllllllllllllll & Shiat)...: Down 8.71% today to 1.62 pennies...
And, our new Star; Premier N'oil ..: Down 11.25% today to 57.75 pennies...
*(All info, courtesy of...: www.londonstockexchange.com/prices-and-markets/stocks/stocks-and-prices.htm)
Chuckle, chuckle...
Tony Blair: Former PM sparks FURY after lobbying US to persuade Britain to stay in EU
Dec 07th, 2015 - 07:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0TONY Blair has sparked outrage after he tried to persuade leading Americans to campaign for the UK to stay in the European Union (EU).
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/624392/Tony-Blair-outrage-persuade-Americans-campaign-UK-stay-in-EU-America
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Oh Think why do you care so much about private companies when you can spend all day watching YPF tumble?
Dec 07th, 2015 - 08:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How is Anses going to make up the u $5B they lost...so far?
Silly stupid RG
Why would I look at the market when I can instead watch something else sink.... namely Think's ideas.
Dec 07th, 2015 - 08:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 070 Briton
Dec 07th, 2015 - 09:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”TONY Blair has sparked outrage after he tried to persuade leading Americans to campaign for the UK to stay in the European Union (EU).”
Just a thought:-
Having Tony Blair campaigning for Britain to stay in the EU would absolutely guarantee an exit, would it not?
Was it Groucho Marx who famously once said that he would not be a member of a club that would ask him to be a member of?
Stealing is bad karma
Dec 08th, 2015 - 05:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0Utter disaster(FOGL investor)
”No amount of spin can hide the fact that this has been a complete shambles. From 36p to 7p in less than a year. I am sitting on a heavy paper loss, ace was correct (I hate to admit it) we got suckered in and sold down the river. BoD, poor well design and execution have led us to this conclusion. I fear this will be zero pence much more likely than 20p, let alone the nose giddy dreams of £1.
A calculated risk turned into a complete all or nothing at Humpback, which was not how it was communicated to investors.......FOGL obviously didn't have a clue and now we are teamed with the other clueless pairing of RKH and PMO........sorry everyone, but the smelling salts have arrived too late for me, the big boys and shortens just cleaned us out”
Stealing is bad karma..... look at all the bad karma that has befallen Argentina after it tried to steal the Falklamd Islands...... twice.
Dec 08th, 2015 - 07:14 am - Link - Report abuse 073 toooldtodieyoung
Dec 08th, 2015 - 07:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you may well be right,
the previous prime ministers are going to look pretty stupid on the day the people vote to come out,
and they stand there like lemons,
but then they are banking on staying in, with us lot being brainwashed..
Think is stupid, and trots out the same tired and flawed rhetoric assuming anybody who reads it is as stupid as him.
Dec 10th, 2015 - 07:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0The UN Charter and UN Resolutions coming from the UN General Assembly EXPLICITLY state that the people's of each of the NSGTs have the right to self-determination.
Think quotes vague rambling from the C24 which is represents the views of only a handful of predominantly corrupt, predominantly Latino countries (this is not the UN, it is a tiny sub-committee)
The C24 put forward a resolution in 2008 that tried to add “sovereignty disputes” or “particular colonial situations” as a reason why a NSGT people should not have self determination and the proposal was voted down by a HUGE majority.
Think knows this.
The world supports the status quo. Think knows this.
His latest stupidity, that small island groups should cede to larger neighbours automatically is interesting, I trust he will be informing his Cuban chums that the have to be under the USA yoke!
Think is a joke.
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