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Impeachment battle against Rousseff begins Monday in Congress

Monday, December 7th 2015 - 08:36 UTC
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Impeachment proceedings against Brazilian President Dilma Rousseff face their first major hurdle Monday when a special committee forms to decide whether to send the case to the full lower house. Once established, the 65-member committee representing all parties will hear Rousseff's defense, then rule on whether to allow the matter to go further. Read full article

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  • Skip

    Dilma needs to stop calling it a coup.

    If it is constitutional, then it can't be a coup.

    Dec 07th, 2015 - 09:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    They always fall back on whining about it not being fair or lawful. Bad losers.

    Dec 07th, 2015 - 09:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Brasileiro

    In my opinion a plausible alternative is military intervention!

    Left alternative translates into better option for the Brazilian people that a right-wing government (PMDB/PSDB), which would be coup with terrible consequences for the next elected presidents who do not obtain a majority in Congress.

    We have several nationalist generals who do not belong to the ruling class in Brazil that could lead the country at this time.

    So me and all who think like me start to shake our headquarters to intervene in government and close the Congress for at least 15 years. A military junta backed by legal experts would draw up a new constitution.

    The current politicians of the Congress and any member of their families would be ineligible for 100 years.

    The military hierarchy is better than the corrupt right.

    That's my opinion and I worked for it from now on.

    If the federal government suffer a coup the military must step in and take charge of the country.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLqj2LUm5l0

    Dec 07th, 2015 - 10:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    @ 3 Brasso

    Oh dear, wrong again, it's The Chief Crook Lula and DumbAss Dilma who have been at 'the pies'.

    So it's the left that are the crooks.

    I think a military intervention is just what the Brazil Nuts need to bring them down to earth. A few executions of the top crooks is bound to work wonders to that end.

    Quite what the international companies who run the economy of Brazil are going to do if military rule comes about is anybody's guess. Piss off and take their money with them would be my guess.

    Dec 07th, 2015 - 12:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • zathras

    1 Skip (#) “Dilma needs to stop calling it a coup. ”

    Spot ON !

    Just like Argentina calling legitimate companies Vulture Funds.

    Or not Calling the Falkland islands by their right and proper name.

    I see some posters have discovered the Intelligence Sharing agreement known as 5-eyes.
    Unfortunately they don't have enough Intelligence themselves to shut up when they are writing rubbish.

    The reason why Argentina has starved it's military of fund for so long is they knew they were mucking up the economy and realized a strong military might just take over to restore order.

    Dec 07th, 2015 - 12:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Brasileiro

    Saxon, interesting. When foreign companies leave the Brazil, we will open our own. Maybe Chinese and Russian help us with that.

    With regard to Lula Dilma and I doubt that the military take action against them. They are not suspected of any crime.

    Aécio already suspected of international drug trafficking.

    Dec 07th, 2015 - 12:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Skip

    Can't believe some Brazilians are asking for an actual military coup to circumvent the constitution.

    Impeachment is in the constitution. Military dictatorship isn't.

    Dec 07th, 2015 - 01:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Brasileiro

    Saxon, Impeachment in the Constitution yes.However, it can only be used if there is crime committed by the President in the current mandate. And there is no crime!

    The name of this is COUP!

    Dec 07th, 2015 - 01:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • zathras

    Also why does a British Heavy Metal band get mentioned a lot in this thread, curious?

    Dec 07th, 2015 - 01:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    Can anyone explain why SA dimwits, (most notables, the ones who believe Saxony still exists and believe North America is also Saxony) use the word coup like roosters crowing in the morning. Get a life Nostrils(#8).
    First it was Argentina to rise up, now....finally even the drug smuggline Venezuelan Army cartel can't hold the people back, have fallen. Now, it's Brazil's turn to rid themselves of these incompetent, commie/marxists formerly terrorist guerrilla's corrupt leaders. Perhaps there is a chance for the decent people left in SA.

    Dec 07th, 2015 - 02:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • zathras

    10 Captain Poppy (#)
    Stupidity on that level is impossible to explain.

    A bit like when KFC linked the migration of birds to the Argentina claims.
    Geographical proximity is also rather dubious.
    Particularly if one points out the relative location of the British Channel Islands to France. FYI they are British for historical reasons, just like the Falklands are.
    The Claims on South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands are even more crazy. 1000 miles way is hardly proximate.

    But it seems the South Americans are throwing off the shackles of Socialism.

    I believe Rousseff fiddled the books which is a crime in the civilized world.

    Dec 07th, 2015 - 03:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jack Bauer

    @3 BRasshole
    Now you defend Military intervention....wouldn't be a bad idea if push comes to shove (if impeachment fails 'n Dilma insists on hanging in there, while Brazil goes down the drain), but if this were to happen, your hero Lula, would be the first to be either beimprisoned or exiled, along with most of the PT shit. Better still if they all were to face a firing squad.
    While I agree that some Generals might be 'nationalists' and do not belong to the ruling class' (today, made up mainly of the PT scum and their allies), I would add that they only want to see Brazil going in the right direction instead of down the communist toilet...as they are all staunch anti-communists. No doubt they are keeping an eye on developments, and even if Dilma and the PT get ousted, Michel Temer and the PMDB will take over...which is not the worst thing that could happen.....at least they have no illusions that Lula's Bolivarian dream is just a load of shit... just like the people of Venezuela have finally realized.
    As to fatty D, and you asshole, calling the impeachment process a 'coup', it's a bloody joke ! when the PT tried to impeach FHC during his 2nd term, then it wasn't a coup, but now that it is against fatty, it is....strange logic. The impeachment process is foreseen in the Constitution, and is a perfectly legal instrument to get rid of rotten presidents....even those from the PT.
    As to your ridiculous statement in # 8, that “there is no crime”, you obviously don't understand the reasons why Fatty D is being impeached , do you ? It is simple, she broke the Law - you know, the one known as 'Fiscal Responsibility' - and which prohibits the Government from spending what is not foressen in the Budget ? The TCU condemned her illegal accounting manoevres in 2014 (and into 2015), so yes, she is responsible of committing a crime. Now it's up to Congress to decide her fate.

    Dec 07th, 2015 - 05:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    #11 the birds are right up there with one of her official speeches espousing how eating pork is great for sex.......it stiffens the wood....lol.

    Dec 07th, 2015 - 06:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Skip

    Brasileiro

    You constitution has a mechanism to conduct an investigation and judge if there has been a crime.

    You are attempting to circumvent your constitution and that is undemocratic of you.

    If Dilma did no wrong then she will not be removed.
    If Dilma did wrong then she will be removed and a new president will be sworn in.

    You don't just get to support democracy when it goes your way. You are the only Brazilian calling for an actual coup.

    The role or the president is more important than the person holding the job temporarily.

    PS: I'm not from Germany, your new attempt at a meme just makes you look like an idiot. But at least you aren't sharing your login as much these days.

    Dec 07th, 2015 - 08:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Brasileiro

    @14

    Your reason is not democracy, it is capitalism!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxi2vGPZyzA&list=FLmXPTu1f8AdGlizWNiASx2A&index=3

    Dec 07th, 2015 - 09:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jack Bauer

    @15 BRasshole
    You have always defended the PT's version of democracy, a lot like Maduro's in Venezuela......neither of them are democratic. Democracy implies a free press, personal freedom to move around and to engage in free enterprise, strict Laws against corruption and legal procedures to get rid of undesired politicians, including the President......no matter what party they are from. Now that you feel there is a real possibility that your darling Dilminha might get her ass kicked out, you abandon your prior convictions, scuttling off the sinking ship like the dirty rat that you are, and start to admit the possibility that perhaps military intervention is a reasonable alternative...just because you are afraid that PMDB/PSDB might get into power.....neither of them are right-wing, just left of centre ; do you really think that the PT, a radical leftist party would associate with the PMDB is they were right-wing ? Anyway, as far as military intervention is concerned, if it becomes NECESSARY (to avoid the complete destruction of our Economy) , I hope it kills that socialist concept of Bolivarianism in South America once and for all.... as well as Lula, who is a parasitical piece of shit, now just standing on the sidelines watching the crap he sewed 10 years ago come to fruition. The PT has to disappear - for good !

    Dec 07th, 2015 - 09:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Hepatia

    It is doubtful that the numbers for impeachment exist in the HoR. However, Cunha's ass is almost certainly outa there.

    Dec 07th, 2015 - 11:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ilsen

    17 Hepatia
    In 25 years Brazil may have a Democracy that is not regarded as a joke by the World.

    Dec 08th, 2015 - 12:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Hepatia

    A few days ago Vincent Bevins wrote a piece in English to “explain what is going on with Brazil's impeachment, in ways that even a gringo can understand.” Of course nearly all the posters on this site are Brits, not gringos, so its doubtful that posting it here will educate many. However, because it is so much better than anything that Mercopenguin can produce here it is:
    http://frombrazil.blogfolha.uol.com.br/2015/12/05/brazils-impeachment-questions-answered/#more-5180

    Dec 10th, 2015 - 02:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jack Bauer

    @19 Hippy
    why don't you tell us something new ? While Bevins explanation as to what's going on with regards to the two independent processes, one to impeach Rouseff, the other to remove Cunha from the Presidency of the Lower House, does give the outsider an idea of the 'imbroglio', it IS “for beginners” (Tom Jobim)....the in-house fighting that goes on backstage, which would disgust most decent people, hardly ever reaches the public. The ideological beliefs (by conviction or for convenience) plus the personal interests of each Congressman, will determine the outcome of all this mess, while evidence and proof of wrongdoing will be irrelevant.
    It is obvious that you depend on the internet for your views....Seems you don't consult many (reliable) sources of information, you don't read serious papers, you just spew the first thing you read...... so why don't you write something intelligent for a while, or, respectfully, just f*ck off ?

    Dec 10th, 2015 - 03:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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