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Russian sloops with Falklands/Malvinas names incorporated to Argentine Navy

Monday, December 7th 2015 - 06:45 UTC
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Four Russian built sloops with polar capacity were delivered in Buenos Aires this weekend and incorporated to the Argentine Navy, all of them with names related to the Falklands/Malvinas Islands. The vessels were formally received during a ceremony headed by Defense minister Agustín Rossi and the navy chief Admiral Gastón Fernando Erice. Read full article

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  • Skip

    Weird!

    Don't think many countries name ships after geographical features found in another country.

    Dec 07th, 2015 - 07:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HughJuanCoeurs

    #1 and they used weird, foreign names instead of the proper English ones.

    Dec 07th, 2015 - 08:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Da_pict

    “Main tasks - Pulling and salvage of sunken vessels and or submarines”

    Well at least they are thinking ahead, although i'm not sure they'll be quite powerful enough to tow a sunken vessel

    Dec 07th, 2015 - 08:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • brasherboot

    Why not name the new ships:
    Belgrano
    Goose Green
    Mount Tumbledown
    Surrender

    Dec 07th, 2015 - 09:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    How about naming it the “Sloop John B” which sailed out of Nassau in the Bahamas.
    If I remember the words they had some riotous times and sore heads.
    Seems apt. What else could they use them for

    Dec 07th, 2015 - 10:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Voice

    ”Pulling and salvage of sunken vessels and or submarines”

    Plenty of work for these little boats dealing with the scrap that makes up the Argentinian Navy then? But not big enough to deal with the roll over destroyer though :-( At least its a start.

    Dec 07th, 2015 - 10:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chris01

    These ships are soviet-era tugboats, built in Poland in the 1980s by the by. To call them “sloops” (light warships in navy terms) is being a tad generous.

    Dec 07th, 2015 - 10:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • golfcronie

    I would call them Oops, there goes another one, agree they are tugboats for all intents and purposes

    Dec 07th, 2015 - 11:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • zathras

    5 Clyde15 (#)

    “Sloop John B”, great song by the Beach Boys but prefer the Mitchell Johnson Lyrics:

    He bowls to the left...
    He bowls to the rightttttttt
    That Mitchell Johnson
    His bowling is shite!

    Dec 07th, 2015 - 11:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    I mentioned this last week,
    nice little boats, rafts , rowing boats,

    perhaps one day they will be able to afford a real ship,
    at least one that don't sink...

    Dec 07th, 2015 - 12:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • redp0ll

    The first mates name was Carta
    By God Sir what a farter
    When the ship wouldn't go
    And the wind wouldn't blow
    They got Carta the Farta to starta.

    Dec 07th, 2015 - 12:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    #9
    My version pre-dates yours by a few years. I first heard it when I went to a concert by the Weavers in 1958 and then the Kingston Trio recorded it when it became a hit about a year later..

    Dec 07th, 2015 - 12:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    @ 11 Redpoll

    More like:

    The boy stood on the burning deck
    His pocket full of crackers
    A spark came down and set them off
    And blew off both his knackers

    Except that being abject cowards, the argies don't have any, so they are knackered anyway. :o)

    Have they just quadrupled their sea going ships?

    It seems that they are definitely 'militarising the South Atlantic'!

    Dec 07th, 2015 - 12:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • chronic

    This is too easy to disparage.

    Has anyone reviewed their transit logs for performance / maintenance issues?

    30 year old soviet era polish built boats?

    What are the weapons systems? Advanced tow cables? Tactical grapples?

    Did rottingroadkillian officers / crew receive any training on them?

    Were they delivered with fuel and spares?

    Who got the enrichment on the other end?

    Was the final price.adjusted for the recent decline in.scrap iron prices - 70%+.

    Dec 07th, 2015 - 01:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • mollymauk

    Bahia Agradable actually translates as Pleasant Bay, not Bluff Cove, presumably referencing Port Pleasant, which is where the action usually referred to as Bluff Cove actually happened.
    Interesting that one of the vessels is named with reference to an Argentine Air Force success of the 1982 war - of course, they had no Naval success to name it for.

    Dec 07th, 2015 - 03:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Idlehands

    They should at least follow a format for a class of ship
    They should be

    ARA Defeat
    ARA Despair
    ARA Delusion
    ARA Doomed

    Dec 07th, 2015 - 03:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • LEPRecon

    @16 Idlehands

    Or

    ARA Sinking
    ARA Sank
    ARA Surrender
    ARA Still in dry dock after 13 years

    Last one's a bit of a mouthful but no more so than the fantasy names that they've called these ships.

    Dec 07th, 2015 - 04:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    Can these little boats cope with big waves? How about Typhoons? Argieland has no hope except for surrender.

    Dec 07th, 2015 - 05:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • MK8 Torpedo

    The Argentine navy must have realised that a Spearfish torpedo or Harpoon missile is a rather expensive piece of kit.
    The new tactic is to buy ships not worth a sophisticated weapon to sink.
    Massive fail.4.5” shell,30mm,20mm,7.62mm.
    Also a Sea Skewer is a relatively cheap option.

    Dec 07th, 2015 - 06:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Philippe

    Ugly ships with thieves' names!

    Philippe

    Dec 07th, 2015 - 06:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • MK8 Torpedo

    Can't think of a navy that has a glorified tug boat as the Fleet Flag ship!
    Oh wait Argentina.
    When I say Flag ship the flag is not a battle ensign or a blue and white one with a yellow stain,no it's all white.

    Dec 07th, 2015 - 06:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    the main tasks of the sloops will be, Search and Rescue

    so if one gets lost, the others will search for it, then try to rescue it.

    I bet some of the argy sailors were embarrassed to say the least,
    considering they are smaller than the toilets on the Elizabeth...lol

    Dec 07th, 2015 - 07:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Rufus

    @13 Chronic

    In fairness, Polish shipyards do produce quality ships now that they've modernised and aren't a very reluctant client state of the Soviet Union any more.

    No, wait, they're 30 years old, so they would have been built by workers on the as-long-as-you-pretend-to-pay-me-I'll-pretend-to-work model. Should be “interesting” if the South Atlantic takes offence to them.
    Reckon the RAF might want to consider posting a couple more bright yellow helicopters to Mount Pleasant...

    Dec 07th, 2015 - 08:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Byron

    ARA Islas Malvina's? You'd have thought they'd have given that one up following the humiliating capture and renaming of the 1982 one. ARA Bahia del Tigre 2 perhaps?

    Dec 07th, 2015 - 08:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • toooldtodieyoung

    “Russian sloops with Falklands/Malvinas names incorporated to Argentine Navy”

    Who would have thought that an international humiliation could trap a country in the 1980's?

    Now they are doing it to their own armed forces!!

    Move with the times FFS!!!

    If they are looking for appropriate names for the ships then why not call them:-

    ARA run away bravely

    ARA Just got butt f**ked by the Royal Navy

    ARA Sank in home port

    ARA Couldn't move 'cos KFC nicked all the money for my spare parts ( a bit long I know )

    Dec 07th, 2015 - 09:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Voice

    With these, and those canoes we saw on Malvinas day, Argentina will be invincible! LOL! The Royal Navy are quaking ..

    Dec 07th, 2015 - 09:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ilsen

    great posts here!

    Thank YOU ALL!
    xx

    Dec 08th, 2015 - 12:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pete Bog

    “They will be replacing old ships with over sixty years in service, and above all this is significant for what it means to the Navy's spirit”

    I'm sure the spirits of the crew will certainly' rise' if they take on a T45 or Astute submarine.

    Bet the Argentine sailors were ecstatic about theses 'sloops' in the same way the Argentine pilots were recently ecstatic about the idea of flying Kfirs with no weaponry with radar sets in a select few.

    “logistics support to Argentina's Antarctic bases, ”

    Supplying their bases with food would certainly be an improvement.

    Dec 08th, 2015 - 12:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ilsen

    In Argentina “ ... food would certainly be an improvement”

    Dec 08th, 2015 - 12:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chris01

    It has just occurred to me that Argentine military circles have spent the best part of the last decade talking about their future “Malvinas Class” ships . First they were going to be a series of OPVs built jointly with Chile, Argentina was supposed to buy 5 of them, but it didn't happen. Then they were going to get 5 missile launching gunboats from China, alongside jets for the airforce and other bits and pieces... but it didn't happen. The plans would frequently show up, with different ship models and potential providers changing as time went on, to be quietly shelved each time and pushed back to later. At least now we're settled on what the dreaded “Malvinas Class” actually are... 30 year old tugboats. Looks like the Armada's revival will have to wait a bit longer.

    Dec 08th, 2015 - 09:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin Woodhead

    Tbf the tugs will be quite handy when the FIG hire an aircraft carrier to annexe Argentina well with all the money you need a hobby and a challenge

    Dec 08th, 2015 - 07:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pete Bog

    “Some time has gone by since the Navy last incorporated new units”

    That's the Argentine definition of' new'.

    I hear they have been trying to buy HMS Victory off the UK to provide another 'brand new' naval asset.

    Dec 08th, 2015 - 07:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    At least they may have the most powerful tug boats in south America...lol

    Dec 08th, 2015 - 08:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    Maybe they have a cunning plan worthy of Baldrick. They could sneak their tugs up to West Falklands, attach towlines and pull it back to Argentina.
    They have as much chance of succeeding with this than by any other method

    Dec 08th, 2015 - 11:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • LEPRecon

    I wonder how these 'tugs' are going to provide logistic support to Argentina's antarctic base when they are not designed to be sailed on the open sea for days at a time, have no icebreaking facilities, and are quite frankly small vessels. How much 'supplies' could they realistically carry?

    Dec 09th, 2015 - 06:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    Argentina has contracted the service of Russian icebreakers and heavy duty helicopters
    Perhaps Russia will sell them the mi2-p if they can find one

    Or the The Mil Mi-8
    who knows.

    Dec 09th, 2015 - 07:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HughJuanCoeurs

    They will probably get abandoned at the first sign of bad weather. Just like the recent fiasco with the the Kirchner's fat brat and his yacht. Perhaps FI could move into a profitable salvage business.

    Dec 09th, 2015 - 09:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    Query???????

    if Britain invaded Argentina and forcibly made it a colony,

    would the UN and others recognise it as [ de facto ]
    mmmmmmm

    Dec 10th, 2015 - 07:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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