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Controversy over Argentine navy recently incorporated Russian sloops
Argentina's Defense minister Julio Martínez has only been in office a few days but he already has a huge challenge on his desk: the four Russian sloops recently arrived in Buenos Aires and which according to the previous administration of Cristina Fernandez cost ten million dollars and are very appropriate for naval patrolling. Read full article
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Dec 15th, 2015 - 06:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0Macri just needs to highlight past misdeeds and explain fully all future decisions.
The Argentinean public is no different from people in every other country that expect the same thing.
“They will render greater security than those vessels they replaced and are more modern”
Dec 15th, 2015 - 09:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well yes..... thats true...the ships they replace were built in WW2
Silly Thick ARGIES-
Dec 15th, 2015 - 09:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0Bahia Agradable is - Port Pleasant
Look at a map - it is at FITZROY - not Bluff Cove. Same place as where the 2 LSL ships were bombed - Fitzroy - NOT - Bluff Cove!
Christ what a laugh of a nation - they buy some clapped out old tugs - only to find out they do not even have popguns on them and guzzle fuel - why do they think the Russians were keen to sell them!!
Oh look Brasso, the South Americas can't even trust the Russians your supposed brother in arms. They certain saw the Arg's coming.
Dec 15th, 2015 - 10:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Argentine navy is confident they can be used to.............” What, they sound pretty useless for South Atlantic winter condition, at full power on heavy sea they will only be able to steer into a head wind and if luck hold their position but more likely they will be going backwards.
The vessels are not as useless as they seem: they are useful as training and confidence builders: I'd say that they are a first step to a more modern Navy.
Dec 15th, 2015 - 11:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0The blow job that TMBOA did for Putin seems to have blown up in her face, but this time the problem can't just be wiped off with a handkerchief.
Dec 15th, 2015 - 11:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0We are witnessing the last stages of a dying behemoth and the emergence of the next step in evolution that will being Argentina back into the real world.
This can only get better.
@3. Quite right, they are indeed tugboats. Neftegaz class. http://russianships.info/eng/support/project_v92.htm
Dec 15th, 2015 - 11:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0Best speed 15.3 knots. But that was when they were built. Their basing makes it obvious what they are. No indication that they are polar capable. However, we shouldn't forget what the argies used for various underhand purposes during the war. Shouldn't take too much to sink them. Then they'll really have a “presence in the sea”.
Technology from the 80's is better than technology from the 40s. If that's the best you can say about it its kinda sad.
Dec 15th, 2015 - 12:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”They don't have the speed, they travel at 10 knots compared to the 16/20 knots of any vessel sailing in the South Atlantic. Besides they are not armed and their engines consume too much gasoil”,
Dec 15th, 2015 - 12:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Does anyone else smell the whiff of British diplomacy at work..?
Toy boats for a commodity republic. They can keep playing at patrolling - unless they are swamped stalling on a wave.
Dec 15th, 2015 - 02:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Neftegaz Class that these 4 ships belong to are Anchor Handling Tug Supply (AHTS) vessels, primarily meant to drag oil rigs in and out of position and bring supplies over from shore-to-ship. All well and good if that is what they are being used for, but no one should then assume that they can carry out any mission in any circumstances. They are specific ships for a specific role and their performance will reflect this. They are not warships. It would be like buying a bunch of bulldozers for the army and saying “Hey, look at our new tanks”.
Dec 15th, 2015 - 02:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Is Macaroni going to rule rr exclusively by decree? Sounds like Obamy or Augustus Caesar.
Dec 15th, 2015 - 02:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh Dear.....................
Dec 15th, 2015 - 03:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Furthermore unofficial information indicates that two ships are in perfect condition, while the other two require overhaul in dry dock before becoming part of the active service of the ARA”
“They are classified by Russia in the Ice L 1 category meaning they can sail on their own in the Arctic during summer months”
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/argentina/ara-neftegaz.htm
How much of that US$ 10 or US$ 15 million ended up in La Kretina's Swiss bank account ?
Dec 15th, 2015 - 04:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@14. Exactly. You can't get a kickback if you're not doing business.
Dec 15th, 2015 - 07:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0they can be used to tow vessels, sunken submarines,
Dec 15th, 2015 - 07:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How do you tow a sunken sub....
Well, first you need a navy that has lots of its subs sink.....
Dec 15th, 2015 - 08:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0All going according to plan so far!
Their naval future looks bright. lol
Dec 15th, 2015 - 08:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Im no naval expert, but the South Atlantic is well known for rogue waves of 100 feet high, they have been seen and tracked by the European Space Agency. The back end of that ship does not look very far from the water, how can they possibly be viewed as suitable vessels for the open sea in the South Atlantic.
Dec 15th, 2015 - 11:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0British keyboard warriors. I think you dont need me to educate you, to teach you about Argentina's current economic situation. We are not a developed nation, nor a nation that makes bombs as we make candies. So its rather silly to compare our government's expenditure in ships with your's. It is even remarkable that your news agencies gave to much worried about this ships in the past saying they could capture the oil exploration rigs stationed in Malvinas islands.
Dec 16th, 2015 - 12:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0Cheers.
”So far they have been named ARA “Estrecho de San Carlos” (Falkland Sound) (A22); ARA “Puerto Argentino” (Port Stanley) (A21); ARA “Islas Malvinas” (Falkland Islands) (A24), and ARA “Bahía Agradable” (Bluff Cove) (A24). ”
Dec 16th, 2015 - 06:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0Only Argentina would name four of its naval vessels after places in another country.
@20 Having read all the above comments I haven't read a single comment which makes reference to the Royal Navy.
Dec 16th, 2015 - 07:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0Overall the comments are indicating that your country's leadership have just wasted another huge chunk of money on some ships that aren't going to serve your navy's needs very well. I mean they'll barely be able to go outside the 12 mile territorial waters mark without wondering if the back end of those sloops aren't 'slooping' around with water in a heavy swell.
Here is the real legacy of the Kirchner government wherein treatment of its navy is concerned. This one was a quite suitable UK-built destroyer until the argentos got ahold of it:
Dec 16th, 2015 - 12:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://cdn01.ib.infobae.com/adjuntos/162/imagenes/010/764/0010764602.jpg
Makes one wonder how long before the newly acquired but rather obsolete Russian vessels will see a similar fate at the paws of the Armada Argentina.
Marti Llazo, I don't understand why you are complaining.
Dec 22nd, 2015 - 07:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The super hyper modern Argentine battleship is simply demonstrating what is called the half-stealth approach, it's very difficult to spot it on the radar.
RotFL
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