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Argentina recalls UN Resolution 2065 fiftieth anniversary and renews call for Falklands' negotiations
Argentina's Foreign ministry recalled that on 16 December the country commemorates the 50th anniversary of UN General Assembly Resolution 2065, the first referred to the question of the Malvinas Islands. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rules“...recalled the fiftieth anniversary of the 16 December 1965 Resolution 2065, renewed by successive resolutions from the General Assembly and the Special Decolonization Committee.”
Dec 17th, 2015 - 07:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0And when exactly did the General Assembly last renew this resolution?
1984!!!!!!!!!
31 years ago.
As for the Specisl Decolonisation Committee..... it has very little respect and no power within the UN.
False premise
Dec 17th, 2015 - 07:57 am - Link - Report abuse 050 years ago
peaceful
non-binding
1982 Military Invasion by Argentina - non-peaceful
Taking into account the interests of the islands inhabitants. They have had a referendum and their views have been taken into account, They don't want to be Argentine. Case closed.
Dec 17th, 2015 - 08:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0True - a lot has happened in 50 years to render it obsolete.
Dec 17th, 2015 - 09:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0International
Dec 17th, 2015 - 09:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0Oh dear, a new era dawns, not! More intimidation, and so it goes on… .
Dec 17th, 2015 - 09:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0RIP UNGA 2065 XX 1965:
Dec 17th, 2015 - 09:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0https://www.academia.edu/10573354/UNGA_2065_XX_Question_of_The_Falkland_Islands_16_Dec_1965
The new government didn't waste much time.
Dec 17th, 2015 - 09:46 am - Link - Report abuse 02065 is long dead. It was a short and tragic life - without hope. Stabbed in the back by its best friend in 1982, 2065 lingered with the help of huge amounts of bribes until 1985 when it was buried by the United Nations at Argentina's request. 2065's assailant has never been held to account for the attack which so fatally wounded this young resolution. That said, with nothing achieved in its 20 year existence, it was the right decision to put 2065 down in 1985.
Dec 17th, 2015 - 10:05 am - Link - Report abuse 02065 will only be missed by the one who betrayed it.
RIP 2065
https://falklandstimeline.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/2065.pdf
2065 was based on a catalogue of lies and deceptions.
Dec 17th, 2015 - 10:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0It has been thoroughly discredited by historical evidence, has been made irrelevant by the illegal invasion of our country in 1982, and has been consigned to the waste basket of history by the referendum of 2013.
Forget it and catch up with reality.
UN Res. 502: “Commemorated” every year, strangely a resolution Argentina doesn't talk about and didn't take any notice of in '82. 2065 was killed by them when they chose to ignore the “peaceful” bit of the resolution.
Dec 17th, 2015 - 10:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0...What.... no more words of encouragement and support for the new Argentine Government...
Dec 17th, 2015 - 10:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0Don't worry...
.... they just going through the motions... and are more interested in their economy...
;-))))))
This was prepared weeks ago and I have no doubt that the annual January 3rd message is already written - or copied from last year. There will be some comment on June 10th too. Why? Because regardless of what Macri's priorities may be, this is what idiot Argies do - repeat themselves.
Dec 17th, 2015 - 10:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0Not that it has ever made an ounce of difference.
It's worth remembering that :- 'A State which has ceased to exercise any authority over a territory, cannot by purely verbal protestations, indefinitely maintain its title against another which for a sufficiently long time has effectively exercised the powers and fulfilled the duties of sovereignty in it.' (Theory and Reality in International Law, 1957 p210).
Keep the standard form missives coming Argentina - they simply are not worth the paper they are written upon :-)
Maybe Argentina should be more concerned with celebrating its noncompliance with United Nations Security Council Resolution 502, which demonstrated for all the world the sort of [lack of] respect it has for UN determinations and principles.
Dec 17th, 2015 - 11:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0So we see Macri's government doing the one step forward, two steps back approach, so characteristic of Argentine governments. This does not augur well.
Thick or what?
Dec 17th, 2015 - 11:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0Negotiation? If they sat down with representatives from the Falkland Islands at the negotiation table for a month of Sundays, they would be no closer to what they want. Easing relations between them may well be possible, it may well be possible to develop trading ties. But I don't see any prospect of success beyond that, and talking solely to the UK parliament on the matter is guaranteed to fail. The only way I can see that avenue ever working, is if the Argentinians gives sufficient UK politicians who have the power and influence an offer that they simple couldn't refuse. But I don't think the Argentinians would want to dig into their pockets that deep, nor would I imagine that sufficient politicians in the UK would be found who would want to run the risk of such a thing ever being found out by the public.
UN Resolution 2065, Oh they mean the one Argentina broke when it decided to use military force & as a result of that action is no longer valid. Only the crazy Argentinian government could possibly think they can break something then hold others to it.
Dec 17th, 2015 - 12:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Again, so many useful comments. But here you are, Mr Macri, read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uti_possidetis Note that the British victory in the Falklands War means that argieland no longer has a claim.
Dec 17th, 2015 - 12:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Pop down to the last paragraph.
“The principle was affirmed by the International Court of Justice in the 1986 Case Burkina-Faso v Mali:
[Uti possidetis] is a general principle, which is logically connected with the phenomenon of obtaining independence, wherever it occurs. Its obvious purpose is to prevent the independence and stability of new states being endangered by fratricidal struggles provoked by the changing of frontiers following the withdrawal of the administering power.” A valid legal principle then.
As previously stated, the 2013 referendum saw the Islanders declare what their interests are.
But maybe, just maybe, there might be some options. For instance, when the C 24 congregates next year for its annual jolly, perhaps the UK could turn up to expose the hundreds of argie lies. Wait to see whether the C 24 is honest. Then demand that it be disbanded.
Or perhaps, argieland could fail to turn up and signal that it's giving up its illegitimate “claim”. Who knows, the UK might decide to discontinue its objections to IMF loans.
It is long past time to disband the UN. Its not done anything its supposed to do and it costs a lot of $ for nothing.
Dec 17th, 2015 - 01:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hopefully the new USA Prez will just cut off their funds and let it die.
And as the resolution was based on outright lies from Ruda and Argentina the resolution is null and void. When Argentina broke the conditions of the resolution in 82 it killed the resolution anyway. Need we keep on draging all this up. I think not .
Dec 17th, 2015 - 01:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@12 VoiceofThink..
Dec 17th, 2015 - 02:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Did you make that up or was it contained in a missive from HQ? ;-))))
It seems to me that Macri and his Government will carry on as before!
Dec 17th, 2015 - 02:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The British are such buffoons.
Dec 17th, 2015 - 02:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why would Macri change 180 degrees on this and basically perform political Harakiri within his first week, on an issue where he knows that even if he did a 180 would bring absolutely nothing in return!! (neither the Falklands as Argentine territory, nor anything of significance the UK could give Argentina in return for such an action). If the UK was some superpower perhaps, but obviously it's a minor peripheral player in Europe (in part self-inflicted status, in part the reality of the place the UK has in today's world), so it has little to offer Argentina in exchange for giving up the claim.
So Macri will keep the opposition happy on this one. He needs other guns to pisss them off.
I have always said Argentina should give up the Falklands claim and let the Islanders finally just live in 100% peace (and not with even a small part of their heads wondering Argentina will do next), just as I have always said Argentina should move fully into the Antarctic Peninsula.
@22. You can stuff your ideas of moving fully into the Antarctic Peninsula as well. Britain was there first. It's legally ours. Imagine British forces slaughtering argies. As before. Stick with you continent. Imagine Britain using ALL its resources. With not one single compunction.
Dec 17th, 2015 - 05:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 022. Didn't the USA have to rescue the Argentines that were stranded and starving on Antartica last year?
Dec 17th, 2015 - 05:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You can't even defend your own land there's no way you could ever hope to expand.
glug glug glug
@22 Argentina is very much a come-lately in the Antarctic scene, not even capable of sending a boat to the ice-free parts until the 1940s. Argentina's claim was made in 1943, overlapping Chile's claim in 1940. So once again, Chile has bested Argentina on this one and has a convincing and substantial presence there. Not that such a presence in any way removes the UK's previous claims, but it does place Argentina's position waaaaaaay at the back of the bus.
Dec 17th, 2015 - 07:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And just as an amusing reminder: the tiny Argentine base is named after the British admiral, William Brown. Brown was one of a large number of Brits who made the early, albeit short-lived, success of Argentina possible.
When will this bullshit ever end,
Dec 17th, 2015 - 07:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Britain [im sorry] should inform Argentina any more shit then ?????????
or go back to sleep.
Briton
Dec 17th, 2015 - 08:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Rarely does a country change a deep seated policy or belief overnight. I am unsure why you expect Argentina to do that just because they elected a new president.
The problem is Argentina does not read 2065, it's weighted in favour of Islander's independence.
Dec 17th, 2015 - 08:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It was initiated by lies from Ruda.
The 1982 aggression killed it and Argentina cannot face it that the war is the major reason why the Islanders have been able to pursue increasing political and financial freedoms.
If 2065 can kept being dredged up, so can resolution 502 from 1982.
this is just for domestic consumption, Macri knows he hasn't a cat in hell's chance of getting the Falklands.
@22
“Why would Macri change 180 degrees on this and basically perform political Harakiri within his first week, on an issue where he knows that even if he did a 180 would bring absolutely nothing in return”
Absolutely nothing in return?
So this Argentine nothing means 'something' now.
The Falkland Islands imports labour and has the money to pay wages-unemployed Argentines are missing out.
If Argentina were on friendly terms with the Falkland Islanders , Argentina would get a lot of the Falklands oil money, without having to pay to extract it, by receiving that money to pay for goods and services.
The Argentine game of all or nothing, gets them precisely, nothing.
It is not the Falklands that have a money or unemployment problem, it is Argentina.
27@
Dec 17th, 2015 - 08:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I never expect Argentina to do anything else, but lay claim,
failed incompetent and corrupt countries always look for a way to blame others, the Falkland's are one such reason/excuse
all I want is the threats and bullying to stop, you cannot just sit back and let this or any other argy government to continue this disgraceful behaviour in this day and age.
just my opinion of course.
Court
Dec 17th, 2015 - 09:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@29 Actually, it is probably advantageous that Argentina is not only militarily toothless and organisationally inept but also open and overt about its silliness in this respect (and in others) since it helps maintain international consciousness of just how manifestly preposterous the country can be. It is those nations that are sneaky in their silliness that probably should be the subject of concern. After all, winning the prize for becoming the Hazmerreír del Hemisferio was a much sought after garland for Argentina. Let us support them in maintaining that distinction.
Dec 17th, 2015 - 10:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@23
Dec 17th, 2015 - 11:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But legally it is not, actually it is legally Argentina's based on self-determination of the three people that are actual natives to the continent. They'll vote to be Argentine and the UK will have to abide by their referendum. A referendum of three is worth as much as one of 3,000... or 300 million.
@24
Virtually all countries can't defend their lands, at the current levels of military spending. So your argument is useless.
@25
As I said, and while all your statements are lies (provable lies, since Argentina has been in Antarctica since 1904 with no gaps), while everyone else abandoned the area at some point. This automatically is a major tenet of territorial law, you can't say “this is mine” and then abandon it, no matter what you did in the past. The UK did just that, which makes any other evidence they have highly suceptible to immediate dismissal.
But again, all that still is terciary to the fact that the natives of Antarctica will have to be asked about their self-determination, as per UN charter principles. The UK will have to abide. And the interesting thing is that a friend told me the Antarctic Treaty says NOTHING about indigenous Antarcticans rights, since at the time of drafting there weren't any. So the UK can't claim this violates the treaty either: the treaty never envisioned or made provisions about such a scenario. Any half-skilled lawyer working for Argentina can exploit that and rather easily.
So you see, the UK has no chance.
Oh the UK has far more than a chance,the U.K. Is supper power in comparison to Argentina.
Dec 17th, 2015 - 11:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Any claim to Antarctica is a farce and that goes for all of them.None are valid see the treaty you signed.
Also you have no Naval resources unless 4 tug boats,4 worn out Frigates and other assorted junk counts as a Navy.
The tugs may be useful it's the only way your submarines can move.Compared with ours that can circumnavigate the Earth five times without refuelling.
Nostril, you are forgetting the British Penguins in Queen Ekizabeth Land. We held a referendum a few months ago and they voted 99.6% to stay British. More than 10,000 of them. So you are too late and as usual what you are suggesting is preposterous. Do try to keep up.
Dec 18th, 2015 - 12:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0@33
Dec 18th, 2015 - 01:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0I'll be more than happy to see the UK attack Argentina over Antarctica. It will prove rather convincingly you are still out for colonial expansionism.
It would destroy their standing vis-a-vis the Falklands, where they accuse Argentina of colonialism.
Chile's prior claim and occupation trump Argentina's claim anyway. Both of which in turn are predated by the claims of several other nations. The Argentine claim is completely without merit or even amusement value.
Dec 18th, 2015 - 01:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0@28 “The Falkland Islands imports labour and has the money to pay wages-unemployed Argentines are missing out.
Dec 18th, 2015 - 01:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0If Argentina were on friendly terms with the Falkland Islanders , Argentina would get a lot of the Falklands oil money, without having to pay to extract it, by receiving that money to pay for goods and services.
The Argentine game of all or nothing, gets them precisely, nothing.
It is not the Falklands that have a money or unemployment problem, it is Argentina.”
What you have to offer us is not worth political suicide, let alone getting us to bend over. We only care about the land, not being your friends.
“People sometimes ask me why Argentinians make such an endless fuss about the islands they call Las Malvinas. The answer is simple. The Falklands belong to Argentina. They just happen to have been seized, occupied, populated and defended by Britain. Because Argentina's claim is perfectly valid, its dispute with Britain will never go away”
Dec 18th, 2015 - 03:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0Richard Gott,
Incidentally, there are 2064 UN Resolutions more important than this one!
Dec 18th, 2015 - 04:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0Philippe
#38 Gott?? The left wing loon and Argie lover? Who gives a dingoes kidney about Gott?
Dec 18th, 2015 - 05:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Falklands were disputed between Spain and England. England won. Argentina was never a player. End of.
https://falklandstimeline.wordpress.com/
37 MagnusMaster “What you have to offer us is not worth political suicide, let alone getting us to bend over. We only care about the land, not being your friends.”
Dec 18th, 2015 - 05:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0If Argentina wants to cut off its nose to spite its face – well so be it! But it can’t, on the one hand, remain obdurate in the face of reality, seeking to achieve what is not achievable but then, on the other hand, try and play the victim card.
To use your words, Argentina does not need anybody else to 'get us to bend over'; it is doing a perfectly good job of shafting itself!
“...legally Argentina's based on self-determination of the three people that are actual natives to the continent.”
Dec 18th, 2015 - 07:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0Were these 3 “natives” born to Argentinean women who were relocated there by a government that signed a treaty on 23rd June 1961 with the following term:
'No acts or activities taking place while the present Treaty is in force shall constitute a basis for asserting, supporting or denying a claim to territorial sovereignty in Antarctica or create any rights of sovereignty in Antarctica. No new claim, or enlargement of an existing claim, to territorial sovereignty in Antarctica shall be asserted while the present Treaty is in force.'
http://www.ats.aq/documents/ats/treaty_original.pdf
Article IV, Section 2.
Emilio Palma's birth on 7th January 1978 is 17 years after Argentina EXPLICITLY signed a treaty stating that such a stunt would not have any legal ramifications.
Isn't this where Nostrils usually rants like a lunatic with comments such as Anglos will be Anglos?
So what is this? ARGENTINEANS can't be trusted?
@38 Marquitos Alejandrito
Dec 18th, 2015 - 07:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0Richard Gott is a fool who knows precious little about anything.
stipulates that Antarctica should be used exclusively for peaceful purposes, military activities, such as the establishment of military bases or weapons testing, are specifically prohibited;
Dec 18th, 2015 - 08:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0guarantees continued freedom to conduct scientific research, as enjoyed during the IGY;
promotes international scientific cooperation including the exchange of research plans and personnel, and requires that results of research be made freely available;
sets aside the potential for sovereignty disputes between Treaty parties by providing that no activities will enhance or diminish previously asserted positions with respect to territorial claims, provides that no new or enlarged claims can be made, and makes rules relating to jurisdiction;
prohibits nuclear explosions and the disposal of radioactive waste;
provides for inspection by observers, designated by any party, of ships, stations and equipment in Antarctica to ensure the observance of, and compliance with, the Treaty;
requires parties to give advance notice of their expeditions; provides for the parties to meet periodically to discuss measures to further the objectives of the Treaty; and
puts in place a dispute settlement procedure and a mechanism by which the Treaty can be modified.
So as you signed this Antarctica can be used for little more than scientific reserch and that's it.
Unless you wish to fall out with all the other country's also subject to the treaty.
#32
Dec 18th, 2015 - 02:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Watch this space .
The Falklands belong to Argentina. They just happen to have been seized, occupied, populated and defended by Britain. Because Argentina's claim is perfectly valid,
Dec 18th, 2015 - 07:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0PROVE it
and you can have them,
ICJ or the claim like you are false.
and they will remain British ,
over to you.
38 Marcos Alejandro (#)
Dec 19th, 2015 - 01:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0“to establish a right to dominion on the fortuitous act of discovery, or a momentary possession, is not sufficient: it must be formal or tranquil settlement, which includes habitation and culture”.
Manuel Moreno, the Argentine Minister in London, 1833.
After almost 200 years of formal settlement , including habitation and culture, the Falkland Islands more than meet the requirements of that definition.
@ 47 The absence of any sort of perceptible Argentine culture would seem to prevent that country from meeting the standard for any sort of colonising activity.
Dec 19th, 2015 - 01:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0@ 48 Marti Llazo
Dec 19th, 2015 - 07:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0They certainly take a very naive view of their position with regard to the world. Argentina demonstrates a virulent strain of nationalistic xenophobia when it comes to its dealings with its neighbours especially its foreign neighbours in the Falklands. Argentina has created a myth which (in their minds) defies all rational and legal arguments. Argentina seems to suffer from a severe case of low national self-esteem; it acts like a nation that doubts its own legitimacy.
Magnus takes the cake when he says he won't listen to reason, historical facts, or legal rulings or precedents, he TRUSTS his country...
Dec 19th, 2015 - 09:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0He's killin' me!
Let's be fair here, Argentina CALLS not DEMANDS. at least a softening of the rhetoric.
Dec 19th, 2015 - 11:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0@50 I would rather believe that the earth is flat than in your conspiracy theories. In fact, in Argentina, the fact that the Malvinas are ours is as undisputable as the fact that the earth is round.
Dec 20th, 2015 - 12:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0Let's say that it is true that we were brainwashed so effectively that for generations the Argentine history about Malvinas, which is undisputed by not only the entire population and political spectrum (including Peronists, Radicals, the numerous military dictatorships and even Communists) but by all of our expert historians, without any isolation from the outside world... even IF true, nobody in Argentina would believe it.
Plus to believe that the Malvinas are British would make you persona non grata in Argentina... as long as I live in Argentina I would have to support my country regardless. Not only that, but living in Argentina while believing that our claim to Malvinas is a myth... trust me, it will drive you crazy.
52# “@50 I would rather believe that the earth is flat than in your conspiracy theories. In fact, in Argentina, the fact that the Malvinas are ours is as undisputable as the fact that the earth is round. ”
Dec 20th, 2015 - 05:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0Oh, so what youa are saying is that IN Argentina everybody believes it to be true, therefore, it must be it must be so!
That makes it perfectly clear, why hasnt Argentina explained it that way before! :>
Well,
Dec 20th, 2015 - 08:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0technically the world is flat,
Argentina are always looking at the world on a flat sheet of paper,
just saying like...lol
@53 Well, I wasn't saying that since everyone in Argentina believes it to be true, that it must be so. Just that we wouldn't ever believe you.
Dec 21st, 2015 - 01:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina recalls =
Dec 21st, 2015 - 08:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The history of the world,
but only their version...lol
“History is written by the victors.” So said Walter Benjamin. Thus, if Argentina had “won” their military debacle back in 1982 then the world would “know” a different story about how a land was liberated from the colonial oppressors. As it was, they were soundly trounced by a small and determined opposition so all they can do is whinge and whine about the result whilst the victors (the United Kingdom) wrote the history that says something along the lines of “hands off, the Falkland Islands are British”. It's really, really, REEEEEEEALLY simple to understand
Dec 22nd, 2015 - 06:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The UK will be returning the Malvinas within the next 25 years.
Dec 23rd, 2015 - 03:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0Returning to where?
Dec 23rd, 2015 - 03:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Falkland Islanders?
What's a Malvina?
Dec 23rd, 2015 - 08:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0The name Malvinas is a bastardisation of the French name for the Falkland Islands.
Dec 23rd, 2015 - 08:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0.58 Hepatia
Dec 23rd, 2015 - 01:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your enthusiasm is commendable, yet somehow futile in its conception don't you think
@61 Exactly. Not bad wine or sour grapes as some would have you believe.
Dec 23rd, 2015 - 02:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@63 MM,
Dec 24th, 2015 - 02:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Whatever, yawn!
But they are still NOT YOURS.
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