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An economist and professional diplomat next Argentine ambassador in London
The Argentine government announced that it was nominating Carlos Sersale di Cerisano and Jorge Faurie, professional diplomats as next ambassadors in London and Paris. Both have long diplomatic careers and are considered very efficient and knowledgeable in international relations and global trade. Read full article
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Dec 23rd, 2015 - 09:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0Doors might start opening in London instead of slamming in the face as has been the recent protocol.
So, no change in the Argentine stance, just no aggressive rhetoric shown at this moment. I am not convinced it is in the Falklands long term interests for doors to start opening in London!
Dec 23rd, 2015 - 10:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0Good diplomatic relationships are priceless and in no way mean selling out the Falklands. The stance of the British Government has not and will not change. The decision about the future of the Falklands is entirely in the hands of the Falkland Islanders.
Dec 23rd, 2015 - 10:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0I see this as a step towards better trade.
36 years or so of experience!
Dec 23rd, 2015 - 11:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0That beats 'Chicken or Pizza' hands-down.
Now as long as he just trots out the line that 'The Mythical Malvinas are Argentine' and then keeps his mouth shut on the subject he may get somewhere.
I find it curious and hilarious that there's so many economists in Argentina.
Dec 23rd, 2015 - 01:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0One of the worst performing economies the world has ever seen and they produce economists like most countries produce engineers.
Macaroni:
Dec 23rd, 2015 - 01:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They need real haircuts, neckties and dress suits before you send the louts out on a world stage.
This class of bohemians just reinforces the banana republic stereotype.
@3. Sorry, Elaine. Stuff the trade. The Islanders, their homes and their land come first. Argie goods might be useful for the UK, but not essential. Britain's honesty and honour are. Argies have neither honesty nor honour. They are little different to muslims for whom it's fine to lie, cheat, steal and kill non-muslims.
Dec 23rd, 2015 - 01:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Please name all the terrorist attacks perpetrated by argies against innocent civilians OUTSIDE Argentina in the last 200 years.
Dec 23rd, 2015 - 02:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@5
I see the pattern. Similar to American “peace” envoys. They are mass produced apparently, not that it has helped within the country or beyond.
8. Did that sting a bit? No answer for it though, huh?
Dec 23rd, 2015 - 02:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Argentina's last ambassador in London was Alicia Castro, a former stewardesses' union leader and very close to Cristina Fernandez. While in London she led a very aggressive and standing campaign in support of Argentina's claims over the Falklands/Malvinas.”
Dec 23rd, 2015 - 02:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Which achieved nothing for Argentina.
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Dec 23rd, 2015 - 02:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not at all, I have ALWAYS said Argentina is finished economically, no chance of coming back. I just wanted to say that because it is true.
The Falklands are never going to be Argentine so that is not even an issue. There is more than one way to get a country to behave. The more trade is built with Argentina, and the more dependent they become on the income and resultant jobs, the less likely they are to upset the relationship. Good trading relations achieved far more than pointless diatribe. Someone should have mentioned that to Alicia, though she was never a diplomat, just a mouthpiece for CFK.
Dec 23rd, 2015 - 03:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#8
Dec 23rd, 2015 - 04:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Invasion of the Falklands 1982
What you are saying is that the Argentinian population cannot pull their socks up and produce goods and services that are of value ?
Japan, S.Korea and Germany rose from almost complete devastation to have a brilliant economic future. Why can't Argentina ? It will need a change of attitude and hard work. Are you genetically inferior to the rest of the worlds population. Maybe you need an infusion of Anglo Saxon blood.
@13. lol.
Dec 23rd, 2015 - 05:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Can more be said about the calabrian influence on rottingroadkill?
lol.
Now, now, now, it very much sounds like a mussolinean-malvinazi designation!
Dec 23rd, 2015 - 07:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No kidding,
Philippe
Nostrils
Dec 23rd, 2015 - 07:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Falkland Islands
Paraguay
Patagonia
Some of these terrorist campaigns were so successful those areas were pacified and made part of Argentina.
ah ok.
Dec 24th, 2015 - 02:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0So just regular warfare and conquest are now defined as terrorism, just so you and Clyde and the rest can get jab at argies.
Fimn
ne, but rather myopic. Because that definition of terrorism then makes the United Kingdom and most european powers, and the United States as well as Australia into the most prolific terrorist societies amd perpetastors in world history.
“Please name all the terrorist attacks perpetrated by argies against innocent civilians OUTSIDE Argentina in the last 200 years.”
Dec 24th, 2015 - 02:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ok, so regular warfare and conquest AREN'T terrorism.
Fine, please list examples of American, British or Australian terrorism then.
You argue in circles Nostrils. Around and around hoping to bump into a point.
Your train of thought is risible. I asked a legitimate question, actually putting my faith in receiving a serious, cogent response. But you all wanted to be cute.
Dec 24th, 2015 - 02:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0Now you want to claim that I am the one going in circles when it is in fact YOU who above just returned to the virtually univocal concept that army warfare while execrable is not Terrorism in its understood concept. Which was my point of reference when asking a listing of Argentine terrorist attacks.
And you try to pin your 180 on the definition of terrorism on me? Weak.
The answer to your original question is unknown. I do not know if Argentineans have undertaken terrorist acts against foreigners.
Dec 24th, 2015 - 03:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0Your turn!
I accept your definition that terrorism doesn't involve regular warfare and conquests. I'm actually agreeing either you.
Surely you have a point you are making (however laboriously).
This is my point:
Dec 24th, 2015 - 04:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0“ Britain's honesty and honour are. Argies have neither honesty nor honour. They are little different to muslims for whom it's fine to lie, cheat, steal and kill non-muslims.”
Which none of you bothered to refute which means you agree. So I disagreed and asked for proof of the statement above. Then you and the others came along with your new definition of Terrorism which signifies the United Kingdom was a significant terrorist organization operating in Iraq from 2003 to 2010, and that just for starters.
Yeah you didn't really make a point.
Dec 24th, 2015 - 05:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0You are trying really hard but trying nonetheless. You didn't define terrorism and neither did I. Now you have and I agree with you. But as the usual contrarian you don't want to now.
I don't agree with the statement you quoted. Please don't say I do. I saw your post #8 and I don't see you disputing it either. So you agree with it?
By your own logic you do!
I don't actually read Conq's posts. He's a drunkard and doesn't value add.
Your non sequitur is all too common. And extremely boring.
#21 for you Tobias
Dec 24th, 2015 - 12:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://listverse.com/2013/03/12/10-ways-britain-has-ruined-the-world/
At various times I have mentioned Apartheid, the Opium Wars, the Slave Trade, the Potato Famine, the Scramble for Africa (creating useless nations with no cultural-tribal cohesion), Palestine, and India's Partition.
Dec 24th, 2015 - 01:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have also mentioned others the article forgets: the division of the Middle East into artificial states with no cultural-tribal cohesion, the mass extinction of many marine and island species (directly the British fault), the destruction of the Arctic, the world wide foreign-debt and financial crises, and Chicken Pox.
24. No other nations in history have done more for the advancement of humans than the USA and the UK.
Dec 24th, 2015 - 02:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The advancements that have come from both of our countries are endless and have made the lives of most people in the world better than Royalty of just a few decades ago.
I don't agree, but sure, good things have come out.
Dec 24th, 2015 - 02:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well if you don't agree with FACTS I look forward to your thoughtful rebuttal.
Dec 24th, 2015 - 02:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Or said FACT is deemed accepted..
Isn't that what you said?
#24
Dec 24th, 2015 - 05:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Interesting post however, the mass extinction of marine and island species...attributal to Britain....Chapter and verse please.
The destruction of the Arctic....again your proof of this.
World wide foreign debt....so it's our fault Argentina borrows money and refuses to pay it back ? How convenient of you to absolve yourself of blame.
Typical Argentine reply....it's somebody else's fault
chicken pox......so we genetically engineered the virus and gave it to the world?
I thought of wishing you a merry Christmas but that would make me a hypocrite.
Chicken Pox apparently came from the Neanderthals. It is mostly accepted that red hair is a Neanderthal trait, as are robust bones and extremely light skin that does not tan.
Dec 25th, 2015 - 12:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0If you look at the British Isles and population characteristics, you will notice that there is a higher proportion of red heads, many which are clearly “big boned”, and it is well known the British isle natives cannot tan.
Scandinavians, Russians may be just as white but if you have noticed their skin can naturally tan. Many British do not tan.
I have always said there is nothing wrong with being a Neanderthal, they are thought now to be just as smart as Homo Sapiens, and have higher incidence of Autism and Aspergers (I forgot about this one). Aspergers is a condition where people find it more difficult to socialize and form new social groups, but are also more likely to be geniouses or be great at a particular field.
Many say Neanderthals died out because they were not at social as HS and also too specialized. Some scientists claim the specialization gene may be linked to Aspergers, Autism, Idiot Savants, etc.
So yes, the UK is also responsible for Autism, not just chicken pox.
Happy Mawlid day.
29. With that kind of reasoning you can see why Argentina continues to devolve.
Dec 25th, 2015 - 12:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0Right, and 60% of American believing in Creationism over evolution, 47% saying global climate change is a hoax, and 1/3 believing humans and dinosaurs lived together in the Garden of Eden is a sign of progress.
Dec 25th, 2015 - 12:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0Americans are the laughing stock of the world for once being world leaders in forerunning thought, but today are only known for being supersticious, fundamentalist, anti-science louts.
The USA is still the leader of the world and will be long after you're dead.
Dec 25th, 2015 - 12:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0You didn't answer the question.
Dec 25th, 2015 - 12:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0And the USA is already NOT the leader in many areas. Wake up you fool and do something about instead of shouting out past glories.
@29 NOSTRILS
Dec 25th, 2015 - 08:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Chicken Pox apparently came from the Neanderthals... ”
What a waste of a post and an insult to one's intelligence.
#30
Dec 25th, 2015 - 10:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina continues to devolve. I think you mean regress.
#29
Many say Neanderthals...........Some scientists claim.
By the way, Neanderthal is in mainland Europe, in Germany, so that is where the link comes from...not the UK.
So, from these gems of wisdom, you claim ALL science proves this.
Sloppy work but what we have come to expect from your posts.
I presume you have a degree in anthropology to make such a definitive statement.
TO QUOTE;-
When our ancestors first migrated out of Africa around 60,000 years ago, they were not alone. At that time, at least two other species of hominid cousins walked the Eurasian landmass—Neanderthals and Denisovans. As our modern human ancestors migrated through Eurasia, they encountered the Neanderthals and interbred. Because of this, a small amount of Neanderthal DNA was introduced into the modern human gene pool.
Everyone living outside of Africa today has a small amount of Neanderthal in them, carried as a living relic of these ancient encounters. A team of scientists comparing the full genomes of the two species concluded that most Europeans and Asians have between 1 to 4 percent Neanderthal DNA.
So you have some Neanderthal in your genes.
We are responsible for chicken pox.? It occurs worldwide but was first described in England in 1767 by William Heberden.
Chicken pox has likely been a human affliction for thousands of years. For, example, there is suggestive evidence of chickenpox in ancient Babylonia more than 2,000 years ago.
Autism, Britain is responsible for this human condition? Your scholarship is appalling. I doubt you would ever pass any exam in a civilised country.
I can see why Argentina ranks SO LOW in scholarship league tables if you are a prime example.
I could go on and on but what is the point .
You push out half baked theories or opinions as facts...I would have to say an Argentinian trait.
Full Definition of devolve
Dec 25th, 2015 - 11:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0de·volved de·volv·ing
: to degenerate through a gradual change or evolution
I use very specific words for a reason.
33. There's no question, its a nonsensical jumble of words.
33 NOSTRILS
Dec 25th, 2015 - 07:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Half-wit, you have asked no questions, just damning statements from you...
Enjoy Christmas Day, surely it must be a time of rejoicing, even in your blighted place in the world?
? = Question
First Britto in space station (it's 2020 almost)... and almost certainly the last.
Dec 26th, 2015 - 12:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://news.yahoo.com/oops-uk-astronaut-tim-peake-calls-wrong-number-131335421.html
“He wrote ”I'd like to apologize to the lady I just called by mistake saying 'Hello, is this planet Earth?' — not a prank call — just a wrong number!”
Anglos will be... well, this one is not about hypocrisy. Just plain ol' dumb.
23 Voice, Vestige, Think et al
Dec 26th, 2015 - 12:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0PHIL MOORE, historian, writer and filmmaker http://www.philmoore.com.au
Seems his claims of historian are not supported on his blog as there he claims he is a “Filmmaker, IT Journalist & Teacher of Screen and Digital Media.”
He seems to have plagiarized his material from The Evil Empire: 101 Ways That England Ruined the World, Steven A. Grasse http://www.philmoore.com.au
Writing in the Daily Mail, MAX HASTINGS said under the title of the “The Empire Strikes Back”
”…World War I was our fault because Germany wanted an Empire like ours; ..In Mr Grasse's book, poor old Britain is to blame for world poverty, Islamic terrorism (we created Saddam), even the Vietnam War - because we set the world trend for colonial expansion and the war would never have happened had the country not been a French colony.......were the British ever any good?
The short answer, of course, is yes. For about 150 years, between the mid-18th century to the early 20th, we exercised greater influence over the world than any nation in history, and on the whole we did it benignly.
We carried trade, invention and - most important - the rule of law to all manner of societies which had never known these things.
For all the imperfections of the British Empire, it was overwhelmingly a force for stability and good.
Even many Indians today acknowledge a debt to us, for bequeathing them institutions without corruption, ..The record in Africa is more mixed, but the stories of Canada, Australia, New Zealand speak for themselves.
Britain's achievements in The truth is that in almost all Europe's great wars of the past 500 years, Britain has thrown its power into the cause of freedom against that of tyranny - and has prevailed.
are unmatched by any other nation of its size. Our martial heritage is not much appreciated by the modern Labour Party or the descendants of Napoleon, but awes everybody else…….”
“We carried trade, invention and - most important - the rule of law to all manner of societies which had never known these things.”
Dec 26th, 2015 - 05:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0You still don't get it do you??
The Anglo still carries the colonial mentality in it.
You know, I think your house is too dirty for my own standards, and needs some better decor. Actually, you also need new plumbing. So, I will go buy a rifle and some grenades, go to your house and threaten to blow your brains out. Then I will settle in, have you go to work (and if you say anything I kill your daughter), and pay the bills. Meanwhile I will take a couple of shots at your daughter, she will appreciate my “lessons”. Your wife too, if she still has looks. I will feed on your refrigerator and make use of your marriage bathroom. But in the meantime I will make the house immaculately clean, will replace the plumbing, install the latest in entertainment technology, give you a brand new luxury car, and yes... the new “decor” (your culture needs a bid of an update, mine is better).
Then, one day, I will “peacefully” leave.
I will then go around the world saying, “look at that house, how clean, how wonderfully decorated, how modern... and I didn't fight to keep it, I left peacefully without firing a shot.”
Any of the above's story's similarities with the British Empire and modern Anglo interpretation of it is just pure coincidence.
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Please, don't anybody dignify this victimizing nonsense with an answer.
Dec 26th, 2015 - 06:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0Must have been into the homemade brandy for Christmas... LOL!!!
Well, that's how you Anglos think. It's not my fault it is so undignified. I agree, your behavior as Anglos is utterly undignified.
Dec 26th, 2015 - 12:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”We (British) carried.... we brought... we gave...”
WHO THE HELL ASKED YOU TO CARRY, BRING, OR GIVE ANYTHING??
Simple enough concept to normal people, but I guess not to Anglos: to praise the actions no one asked you to perform.
#42
Dec 26th, 2015 - 03:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Blah, Blah Blah..........
snore...
Dec 26th, 2015 - 03:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 040 CapiTrollism_is_back!!
Dec 26th, 2015 - 04:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No, you still don't get it do you. Unless you have either developed, through your profession or training a “historical-mind” you make the same error that all the unqualified make. HistoricaL events have to be correctly judged by the excepted values of the period. So when Hastings states “We carried trade, invention …” He is absolutely correct as those were the values of all nations at that time. Only, the British were the most succesful. It was pretty enlightened as there was no compulsion on them to do so. Other, than some individuals that acted contrary to imperial policy of the government the British have every reason to be proud of their legacy. When compared, to the policies of your nation, towards your own indigenous and African inhabitants.
Toby is like many disaffected unintelligent angry people who are unsatisfied with the world they have and dream of a different time. Sometimes the dream of the future without war,poverty and peace and sometimes of a dreamy time past that never actually occured. Like saying the natives were a peaceful people living with nature in perfect harmony.
Dec 26th, 2015 - 09:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That never happened in reality they were savages killing each other for an ear of corn. At any other time in the past people like Toby would have most likely been dead by now from starvation ,disease, accident or murder. It's only recently that women could walk alone at night and not expect to get molested.
There are still a lot of savages in the world. I think we're in the begins of a long culture war right now. Savages over civilized. The savages always lose in the long run. They're just too dumb to realize it.
Sounds like the anger of a bald headed, fatman slinging real estate. Two peas in a pod.
Dec 26th, 2015 - 09:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@45
Dec 27th, 2015 - 12:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ah thank you for allowing my daily portion of:
ANGLOS will be ANGLOS.
“you make the same error that all the unqualified make. HistoricaL events have to be correctly judged by the excepted values of the period. So when Hastings states “We carried trade, invention …” He is absolutely correct as those were the values of all nations at that time”
“. When compared, to the policies of your nation, towards your own indigenous and African inhabitants.”
So as usual, you judge British actions with one goal post and non-British actions with another (of course far more unfair goalpost).
Typical Anglo.
The policy of Argentina towards indigenous inhabitants and Africans was STANDARD in the “excepted” values of the period”.
At the time, the policy of Argentina, AND THE UNITED STATES, and CANADA, and AUSTRALIA, and NEW ZEALAND, and SOUTHERN AFRICA.... was to place natives in reservations, or find ways to decrease their population. Clear the land for WHITE EUIANS. That was CONSTITUTIONAL policy. White Australia, Apartheid, Jim Crow, Canada's stolen Babies, et al.
So when the Anglo nations above did it, it must be measured with the standards of 1850 or 1900. When Argentina is the one under discussion, the standard is 2016.
Let's all together now...
AN... will....
48 CapiTrollism_is_back!!
Dec 27th, 2015 - 02:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0“..you judge British actions with one goal post and non-British actions with another..” Not at all, I have simply rebutted, your statement “The Anglo still carries the colonial mentality in it.” When in point of fact the British have aided more nations than any other in achieving independence, and in so doing have contributed more than other country in the development of the international law of self-determination. What independent countries like Canada, USA and Australia have done within the sovereignty of their own countries cannot fairly be blamed on Briton. They also through economic sanctions actively apposed the racist policies of Rhodesia and South Africa. You were the one that first attacked them. I have simply shown that under their watch, unlike Argentina there was no instituted policy of genocide, even with a quarter of the worlds population under their dominion.
Please spell out for me the areas in the argentine law code that spouse genocide as institutional policy.
Dec 27th, 2015 - 03:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0Roca is a hero!
Dec 27th, 2015 - 07:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0who is on the US 20 bill？ How about all the buildings and institutions named after Wood Wilson? Know anything about his ideas?
Dec 27th, 2015 - 08:15 am - Link - Report abuse 039
Dec 27th, 2015 - 10:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0Terry me old son....I hope Santa got you a pair of Specs....
V..Zero..I..C...E....
V0ice....isn't
Voice...
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50 CapiTrollism_is_back!!
Dec 27th, 2015 - 11:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0It may not be codified, but the historical record clearly attributes the decline of both populations to government sanctioned activity.
“The rapid disappearance of blacks from Argentina has been attributed to racial genocide on the part of the Argentine government. Argentine President Domingo Sarmiento is noted for claiming that blacks can have no part in Argentine society. The Argentine government was known to have carried out similar ethnic cleansing of the countries Native American population. Historians that criticize claims of black casualties in the civil wars often cite the fact that women did not fight in the Argentine wars, yet black women disappeared simultaneously with men in Argentina.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afro-Argentine
”It has been alleged that the president of Argentina from 1868 to 1874, Domingo Faustino Sarmiento, sought to wipe out blacks from the country in a policy of covert genocide through extremely repressive policies (including possibly the forced recruitment of Africans into the army and by forcing blacks to remain in neighborhoods where disease would decimate them in the absence of adequate health care).
Tellingly, Sarmiento wrote in his diary in 1848: “In the United States… 4 million are black, and within 20 years will be 8 [million]…. What is [to be] done with such blacks, hated by the white race?“ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afro-Argentine
”As a result, in some places in the interior of the country, Africans and people of African descent made up more than fifty percent of the population in these areas according to Jonathan C. Brown. According the George Reid Andrews in his book The Afro-Argentines of Buenos Aires, 1800-1900, Buenos Aires’s population itself was a third black at the time of the revolution.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afro-Argentine
And getting back to the new Argentine Ambassador to London?
Dec 27th, 2015 - 12:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There will be niceties, pleasantries and willingness to improve relations i'm sure. But when the Argentines realise that wrapping a fancy bow around the same old shit receives the same eloquent and quintessential British response - Fuck off!
I think we will be back to business as usual.
Terence hill: redditt ask hsitorians haaaaa you can make better dummy, thast isn't a source , is whatever as yur dimwit brain, first the blcaks in argentina passed cause the civil wars and the wars against the anglos (three times) plus diseases, even when they were working in houses with the white owners , never got any physical abused as you dumb brits did in Australia, north America, india, yemen, Tasmania, the eviction od chagoss, if you wwill keep using the fucking brit propaganda , you will always failed ccause lack of historical veracity.it true they was eliminate emotionally but tht was a political agenda of the corrupted liberals pro anglos.second nobody was forced to tem as native neitrher thehy all was part of the nation defence , another propaganda lack of sense and historical fact, you njust picked whatever info and posted.the rapid desapearance!!!, another bull, cause there are many of them throught out the nation alive , working people. another bull of your propaganda. http://www.danielnpaul.com/BritishScalpProclamation-1756.html.capitroliism what an hipocrit, whrn your culture is the most animal and savage of al time.CLYDE 15 YOU BULL ARE AMSING BUT NOW BORING, CHECK YOUR CUTS FORM 2014 ESPECIALLY IN EDUCATION!!!!.ELAINE B, PROVE UK WAS IN THE ISLAND THE WHOLE TIME FIRST BEFORE TALK CRAP DELUDE.
Dec 27th, 2015 - 01:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 056 georgeneurus
Dec 27th, 2015 - 01:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Since the practice was indigenous to the tribes of N. America and the British were engaged in a war with the Mi'kmaq, it was the only proof, to collect the bounty on them as they didn't have polaroids.
“French colonists offered payments to Indians for British scalps.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scalping
But they were allies of most tribes, and lost the American colonies in part, because of their protection of their partners lands from the settlers encroachments. The indigenous people of Canada still claim the right to appeal legal issues directly to monarch, as they are still technically allies.
”in the interior of the country, Africans and people of African descent made up more than fifty percent of the population in these areas according to Jonathan C. Brown. According the George Reid Andrews in his book The Afro-Argentines of Buenos Aires, 1800-1900, Buenos Aires’s population itself was a third black at the time of the revolution.” I guess they must they must have all died out because of an excess of happyness at being so well received. Hm! Humane genocide, a novel claim.
@56 georgeneurus
Dec 27th, 2015 - 02:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The matter being commented upon by Terence Hill was in connection with events in Argentina. Why did you introduce a subject totally unconnected?
@54
Dec 27th, 2015 - 02:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The bottom line is this: at most 200,000 blacks in 1840 (consensus is 25% population was “black”), total population of the country a bit over 1 million.
From that point on add 5.7 million caucasians to the gene pool. You tell me what happens to 200,000.
Toby wants to be like the idiots in the “black lives matter” movement.
Dec 27th, 2015 - 02:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Erasing glorious history because they're too dumb to realize it took those actions to get where we are today.
If black lives really mattered they wouldn't have to keep screaming about it.
It's pure political nonsense brought to you by the Progs who gave us occupy this and that a few years ago.
Silly stupid libtards trying very hard but failing every time.
59 CapiTrollism_is_back!!
Dec 27th, 2015 - 03:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Since you're attempting to refute the assertions of George Reid Andrews - History - University of Pittsburgh Distinguished Professor PhD, University of Wisconsin, Madison (1978). University of Pittsburgh Department of History 3527 Posvar Hall www.history.pitt.edu/faculty/andrews.php and Jonathan C. Brown, Professor, Department of History,The University of Texas at Austin www.utexas.edu/cola/history/faculty/brownjc both acknowledged experts with an official Argentine census data. Since neither one has relied on that source, they must consider it unreliable. As having personally investigated many Argentine official claims myself it's not difficult to imagine why.
Look Freddie, the world knows about the war against minorities in the USA, but why come to MP to cry about it? Pick up a gun and help the police finish what was started? Are there not websites dedicated to your “American” problems, or will the American Kirchner, aka Trump clean it up?
Dec 27th, 2015 - 04:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0PS
I hear woody's head paste gives a very good shine on the head, for those with a follicle challenge. Oh....can you show me something on 10th Street? Maybe your next appointment.
@62
Dec 27th, 2015 - 04:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0oh, look, wee voice is coming back after Christmas, all piss and vinegar.
What happened over the past two days, no old ladies to knock down, no unsuspecting motorists to pick a fight with?
Did you not see the kids again this Christmas?
Did Her Majesty put you up for a couple of days again, for threatening your ex-wife??
Merry Christmas to you, Best Wishes through the festive season...
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Dec 27th, 2015 - 05:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh dear, oh dear...how to embarrass yourself....
Didn't Santa bring you some new specs either...?
Can you tell the difference between a Zero and an o....?
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Voice...V0ice...ooooo 0000
No doubt it is ....“The Voice” with his feeble attempts to emulate the one and only...
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I can't see any difference in the content of the post - looks legit to me!
Dec 27th, 2015 - 05:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Poor sad old malcontent.
#56
Dec 27th, 2015 - 05:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0.CLYDE 15 YOU BULL ARE AMSING BUT NOW BORING, CHECK YOUR CUTS FORM 2014 ESPECIALLY IN EDUCATION!!!
Do you just hit the keyboard at random hoping it makes sense ? You have failed miserably.. Your above quote means absolutely nothing in English
I have NO idea what you are talking about and it appears that you do not know what you are talking about either.
65 Troy Tempes
Dec 27th, 2015 - 05:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I concur, it's simply the obtuse purveying the untrue. He is so marginalized that he is left chewing his intellectual finger-nails
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Dec 27th, 2015 - 06:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hey Mr. Magoo and Mr. Magoo too....
Get yourselves down to Specsavers and stop trying to cover your embarrassment...
I can see a short, but informative lesson in typography is required for when you get some new lenses...
The body text being used here is a serif text called Times New Roman, the height of all lowercase letters are the same unless it has an ascender or a descender like a d or a p.....
The numeral 0 is above the height of the lowercase letters...that is how you can tell it is not an o...thus:...0o...
If either of you could see properly you would have noticed....
If Troy Magoo thinks it's legit to attack YB without provocation and not in a reciprocal manner....
Then that defines his personality....
@68 v0ice
Dec 27th, 2015 - 07:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0oh, stop yer wittering.
The really sad thing for you is that it was snide childish gratuitous insulting - and very much attributable to the likes of you - literally indistinguishable from your signature style, LOL!
It seems others feel the same way - says a lot about the character of your posts, and yourself for that matter.
BTW,
when I scroll down through posts on my iPhone, even if the poster's name is visible, it's very small.
Somebody parodied you well - *smirk*
68 Voice, Vestige, Think et al
Dec 27th, 2015 - 07:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0O 0, note the difference on my keyboard. Only if I inadvertently selected a zero on my monitor there would be a additional bisecting line. So if there is any change its caused by the site when posting. Its pretty obvious from your tactic's that you're blathering lacks any substance. So pirouette away on some irrelevant minutia. Since your last citation involved a plagiarizing fraud who attempted to pass himself off as a historian. Sounds a lot like you.
Oooo...he's got an iPhone now....how novel....
Dec 27th, 2015 - 08:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yeah who hasn't....
When you get to the post you want to read...flip it landscape and it will automatically fill the screen...making the text bigger....
...unless of course you have the portrait orientation lock on...
..in which case flip the screen with your finger from the bottom to the top and the symbol for unlocking will appear....it's on the far right....
Keeping you on the ball.....from Voice Tips-R-us....
71 voice
Dec 27th, 2015 - 08:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“oo... he's got an iPhone...”
You moron, they are so ubiquitous that nobody comments on it to show off - very telling that it makes you feel so insecure that you have to lash out with a put down.
And... I do know how it works, but thanks, Clever Dick.
The post was designed to deceive. If the content had been incongruous with the regular character of your diatribes, one might have double-checked or questioned.
As it is - your childish bile was captured perfectly and convincingly
- in effect, you yourself were pwnd - who wouldn't attribute that load of shite to you.
I find it ironic that “voice” who makes liberal personal verbal assaults, and premeditates 'traps' for unwary debaters, is indignant and 'outraged' -
Chuckle chuckle ...
Creep!
72
Dec 27th, 2015 - 08:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yer..liar..if you knew you wouldn't have said the text was small...
It's as big as you want it to be....
Oh dear...caught out...
70
“O 0, note the difference on my keyboard. Only if I inadvertently selected a zero on my monitor there would be a additional bisecting line.”
WTF are you talking about...?
You have typed a Capital O next to a 0 (zero)...your keyboard has fcuk all to do with the way a font is displayed on the screen and a zero on the website does not have a bisecting line through it..... Ø
This is a standard html web page....you haven't got a scoobies of what you are talking about...
Stick to your copy and paste opinions of others....I'm feeling embarrassed for you..
8 Voice, Vestige, Think et al
Dec 27th, 2015 - 09:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Re: zero versus o. What further belies your attempted fraudulent claims is the use a spell-checker which would instantly flag any such an error. “You have typed a Capital O next to a zero.” No, I have not thats how the zero displays on this site. Like I said the site doesn't faithfully reproduce your input. Another example is it reverses my quotation marks.
74
Dec 27th, 2015 - 09:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Can someone tell this poor guy that he typed a Capital O as in Oaf ... a zero is this size and can be no bigger...0123456789 10...
...watch this Terry me old son.....10 or 1O...which is it...;-))))))
BTW..it's not just this site...it's all sites using the STANDARD HTML LANGUAGE...
...and where did you get your keyboard...the ARK...?
75 Voice, Vestige, Think et al
Dec 27th, 2015 - 09:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Like everything else you claim, is simply your unsupported sophism, totally lacking any proof. So please continue to fail to meet the burden of proof. As the respondent there is no requirement for me to disprove your assertion. “a zero on the website does not have a bisecting line through it” Which totally undercuts your further claim ”You have typed a Capital O next to a 0 (zero)“ Thus, supporting my claim ”thats how the zero displays on this site.”
Heres the original post which is easily verified 39 Terence Hill, 23 Voice, Vestige, Think et al
Which you started your fraudulent claim at 53 Voice. As you can clearly see there is no capital O. In fact there are only two lines written by me the rest is quoted information.
“vi0ce”
Dec 27th, 2015 - 10:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0can think whatever he likes - everybody recognizes he is a sh!t, and no apologies
It only matters to voice, desperate to save face.
nobody else cares. yawn.
cue “vestige”... or “think”...
If anyone can explain WTF @76 is saying...please translate....
Dec 28th, 2015 - 02:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0Also someone please explain to him that @23 is not Voice it is a parody using a zero instead of an o to look like ...“V0ice”
He's never going to get it....
@78 v0ice
Dec 28th, 2015 - 02:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0I wouldn't put it past you to be the owner of both usernames - a cheap ploy to contrive a situation that brings attention to you.
It's not important, but either way, you don't come off well in any of this.
It's boring too.
58 gordo 1 , shit tereence don't use no kool source to debate, in fact he just google it and use official history dummy, and we know what officla history does... you know it fordo shit?? nope you don't.TEREENCE,MPOLAROIDS IS MAKING YOUR BRAIN FLASH, STOP WITH YOUR LSD INFUSION. you isupred and killed to control the aerea, usual imperial concept , your history is witness of it.second post any rticle saying our blacks were abused and killea as you did in the past.......and then your idea of indinans hinting brits, jeeeee weel I would od the same if pirates invade my aerea.TERRENCE IM SURE YOU INVESTIGATED IT WITH HSITORIANS WHO RELAY ON OFFICLAS HISTORY AND ISNT SUPRISE TO ME , BRITS WILL GET THE EASIER AND CONVIENET SOURCE TO SPIT PROPAGANDA. WELL FROTUNALTELY WE GOT WONDERFUL STORIANS IN THE PAST WHO USED TO SAID ANOTHJER FACT IOF HISTORY, JULIO IRASUSTA, GUSTAVO MARTINEZ ZUVIRIA, ERNESTO PALACIO, MANUEL GALVEZ, ROQUE RAUL ARAGON,MBRUNO GENTA, CASTELANI, ENRIQUE DIAZ ARAUJO CARLOSMIBARGUREN, FEDERICO IBARGUREN, VICENTE SIERRA, ROBERRTO DE LA FERRERE, RAMON DOLL, people wo reall y investigated bout many things in our history, so I advice you to stop postionf crap from the anglo point of viewmor the liberals from argentina , you wont find much , just political convieniences.keep searching.....
Dec 28th, 2015 - 03:33 am - Link - Report abuse 080
Dec 28th, 2015 - 07:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0Nobody is listening to you.
:-D
80 georgeneurus
Dec 28th, 2015 - 01:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Maximizing Citizenship with Minimal Representation: An Analysis of Afro-Argentine Civil Society Organizing Strategies Prisca Suarez
”Sarmiento was one of the most influential .. was to prove the racial theories of the genetic inferiority of the indigenous and Africans that he posited in Facundo, one of the most read Argentine books. Much of Sarmiento’s writing includes overt racism in the form of justifying colonial violence and supporting ethnic cleansing. …convinced him of the existence of two types of people, civilized and barbaric. .. Anything else, criollo, indigenous, and Afrodescendant was by default archaic and barbaric (Katra 1994). …it is also important to note the underlying exclusion of non-Euro-descended peoples. For example in De la educación popular, … indigenous groups were excluded for their “ineducability.” Afro- Argentines, still slaves at the time the work was written, had even less of a place in Sarmiento’s ...vision for progress and modernization (Katra 1996). .... It is clear that as the mediator and founder of modern Argentina Sarmiento did not envision gauchos and Afro- Argentines as part of the new society. Thus, it is not surprising that the Generation of 1880 sought systematic ways to eliminate Afro-Argentines who were seen as less than the gauchos and caudillos that, “at least could be educated.”
http://scholarcommons.usf.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=5978&context=etd
“There is scarcely a Buenos Ayrean privateer which has not committed piracy of every description - it appears that at Buenos Ayres itself commissions of Artigas have been sold to the Captains of the Buenos Ayres privateers, who have gone to sea, and used one or the other commission as suited their purposes... There is not a day passes but we hear of new crimes of this description committed under the flag and commission of Buenos Ayres ...”
John Quincy Adams July 20th, 1820 served as the sixth President of the United States from 1825 to 1829.
TROY YOU ARE SO SOFT BOY!!!. TERENCE TELL US WHERE WE USED MANY SYSTEMATIC WASYS OFMKILING BLACK FOLKS?? EXCEPT FORM THE ONE IT SAID WE EXCLUDED EMOTIONALLY TO BE PART OF THE SYSTEM. YOU USING ANGLO INF. NOT EVEN GOOD AUTHORS. I POSTED ABOVE A LIST OF THE MANY GREAT WRITES AND HISTORIANS FORM OUR LAND WHO WROTE MANY BOUT COLONIAL TIME IN BS.SO ANGLO INF, IS BULL .AND DONT TELL ME THAT CRAP OF WE LEFT THEM IN A AREA FULL OF INFECTION AND DESEASES AND BLACK DESEASE AND YOUR ALL CRAP. CAUSE IT WAS COMON TO HAVE DESEASES AROUND THE CITY AND NOT BECAUSE WE PLANNED IT TO EXTERMINATE THEM BY USING DESEASES, DUMMY.SAME WITH THE BLACK LEGEND INVENTED BY THE EURPOEANS TO PUT SPANIARS DOWN. AGAIN : YOU SAID WE HEAR NEW CRIMES..... UNDER THE FLAG..... WHERE WE KILLED THEM OR ABUSED THEM THE WAY YOU DID IN THE PAST?? SARMIENTO WROTE LOT CRAPS BOUT RACISM AGAISNT GAUCHO -INDIO-BLACKS, HE WAS CRAZY WHO LOVE TO BRAWL WITH ANYONE- AND CAUSE THAT NASTY ACTITUDE HE ALMOST WAS KILLED TWICED , AND THE QUESTION IS ANDDDD?????????????, DID WE ABUSED THE BLACKYS??? HIPOCRITE SHIT -POINTING OTHERS WHEN YOU GOT A BLOODY CRIMINAL HISTORY. http://www.monbiot.com/.../27/how-Britain-denies-its-holocau.../
Dec 29th, 2015 - 10:57 am - Link - Report abuse 083 georgeneurus
Dec 29th, 2015 - 12:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Gustavo Adolfo Martinez Zuviría also known by his pen name Hugo Wast - (Córdoba , October 23 of 1883 - Buenos Aires , March 28 of 1962) was a writer and political Argentinean. Supporter of the Franco Spanish, https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugo_Wast
Ernesto Palacio (Born 4 January 1900 in San Martin - Died 3 January 1979 in Buenos Aires) was an Argentine historian and part of a generation of right-wing nationalist intellectuals active from the 1920s. Their ideology is referred to as nacionalismo. https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugo_Wast
Manuel Galvez ( Parana , Entre Rios , 18 July of 1882 - † Buenos Aires , November 14 of 1962 ), novelist, poet, essayist, historian and biographer Argentina . “was committed to the so-called ”nationalist reaction“ whose objective was to rescue the Spanish cultural heritage and foster pride in belonging to the same Hispanic race.”
https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugo_Wast
ROQUE RAUL ARAGON, “1929 to 1931, he chaired the Sarmiento Society” https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugo_Wast
BRUNO GENTA, “His nationalist political tendencies earned him widespread criticism …considered a deeply anti-Semitic author.” https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugo_Wast
Nice group of unbiased fascists, it explains perfectly why your head is stuck so far up your ass. Moreover it isn't for me to explain the abrupt disappearance of your black citizens unbiased experts have already revealed the cause. “Thus, it is not surprising that the Generation of 1880 sought systematic ways to eliminate Afro-Argentines who were seen as less than the gauchos and caudillos…” Sarmiento is accredited with establishing modern Argentina and is reveried.
Blacks in Chile.
Dec 30th, 2015 - 06:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0Blacks in Brazil.
Blacks in Uruguay.
No Blacks in Argentina.
Seems no one can stay on topic, or in the present.
Dec 30th, 2015 - 11:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0I GUES TROY THAT YOU WANT TO PUT THE NAME OF FASCIST ON THEM, TIYPICAL LIBERAL SCHOOL, WELL TELL YOU THEY MOST OF THEM SUPPORT THE SPANISH SCHOOL , THE ONE THAT WAS UNITED AND GAVE GOOD SCHOOL TO US, AND IF THAT IS BEING FASCIST THEN BE IT, SECOND YOUR SEARCH IS GREAT, JUST GO TO GOOGLE TAKE THE INF AND POST IT, IM AMUSED, WELL TELL YOU ALL OF THEM GAVE ANOTHE RREALITY OF OUR HISTORY AND NOT THE OF THE FAKE LIEBRALSIM HIDING THRUTH AND TELLING WHAT IS CONVIENIENT FOR A CONTROLLING AND MANIPULATION.BUT ILL ASK YOIU ANYWAYS WHY YOUR LIBERAL SCHOOLS TILL TODAY NEVER ADDED TO THE SSYSTEM THOSE BLACK ARGIES TO THE SYSTEM?? ANSWER.YOU RIGHT YOU ARE NOT THE ONE WHO NEED TO EXPLAIN WHY THE DESSAPEARANCE OF BLACKYS CTIZEN....THE ONE WHO NEEDS TO DO IT ARE THOSE PROFFESSIONALS WHO KNOWS OUR HSITORY , NOT AN IDIOT WHO LIVES HERE IN THIS NEWSPAPAER REPEATING THE FIRST DUMB SHIT APPEAR INTHE NEWS.THUS IT IS AMUSING THAT THE ONLY ELEMENT YOU BRING HERE IS THE SAME CRAP YOU READ IN SME NEWS, BOUT THE GENERATION OF 1880s BUT YOU CANT PROVE WHY?? CAUSE THERE ISNT ONE.BUT YOU AS AN DUMB BRIT WHOMLOVES TO CHANGE HISOTRY KEEP REPEATING YOUR CRAP CAUSE PROPAGANDA IS A BRIT SCHOOL.NEX T TIME TRY TO POST MORE ACCURATE SEARCHING TO DISCUSS AND NOT YOUR INFANTILE 7TH GRADE READING.BALCKS IN BRAZIL.... JEEEEE, M=NOT LONG AGO BLACKSAND WHITE IN BRAZIL GIOT THEIR OWN PLACES TO GO EVEN RESTROOMS , SEARCH AGAIN TONTIN!!!
Dec 30th, 2015 - 02:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 087 georgeneurus the ignoramus
Dec 30th, 2015 - 03:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Re:83 I agree the Indian famine and it's handling was appalling. But, prior to a British presence in India, there had been at least ten devastating famines. George Monbiotis is political activist who is sincere in his efforts to promote his own agenda. The problem with such zealots is they either get it somewhat right or miss spectacularly . For example if you examine his sources, for example Mike Davis. “He also contributes to the British monthly Socialist Review, the organ of the Socialist Workers Party of Great Britain. …He is a self-defined international socialist and ”Marxist-Environmentalist” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Davis_(scholar) So you have a radical who's bias makes him as unreliable as your reactionary historians.
As for the Mau Mau of Kenya they burnt to death other tribes, and it was their opposition that ultimately defeated them “The Home Guard formed the core of the government's strategy as it was composed of loyalist Africans, not foreign forces like the British Army and King's African Rifles. By the end of the emergency, the Home Guard had killed 4,686 Mau Mau, amounting to 42% of the total insurgents. The capture of Dedan Kimathi on 21 October 1956 in Nyeri signified the ultimate defeat of the Mau Mau and essentially ended the military offensive.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Davis_(scholar)
So while I produce the “best available evidence” you can proffer nothing but your empty denials. There is no rational conclusion, other than their extermination. When half of the nation's, and a third of Buenos Aires population ominously disappears. While under the watch of an acknowledged racist president. Sarmiento wrote in his diary in 1848: “In the United States… 4 million are black, and within 20 years will be 8 [million]…. What is [to be] done with such blacks, hated by the white race?” The circumstantial evidence is overwhelming, and is supported by the opinion of every independe
continue, Terry
Dec 30th, 2015 - 11:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 088 Terence Hill cont. Thanks Troy its a very short continuum.
Dec 31st, 2015 - 01:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0by the opinion of every independent expert.
befiore it was a famine in india and after uk double it, it curious that Monbiot is claiming what actually uk did in the past by using different methods, so of it was famine or not isn't the case, the case was that Churchill was a criminal ass.and now the socialist including corbyn are such liers ass.... trow me another one , I want to laught. so paedophiliain the tori or in the police system is another socialist crap lie?? trow me another one.remember tha tin mau mau or yemen or another nations wehere uk was , it was bu usurpation then don't pretend people wont attack, you usurped and this is your political agenda before and still today, an chagossians can talk bout that.you produce propaganda cause there iis nothing that you can use as a back up to negate british political agenda of taking land oversea.sarmiento wrote a bunch of racist craps ... sarmeinto hates population ,but there isn't not documentation form the gov saying we aniquilated or killed and abuse blacks, the only attitude used toward them was ignore them so if you acuse of the famous aniquilation phically , psot that doc, here. and opinisn is just that an opinion, liberal history is full of opinios as liberal history still denying those blakcs to be insert it in the system, you are an hypocrite using propaganda, try to search a little bit to find whats really happen instead posting form goolgle.
Dec 31st, 2015 - 06:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4852768.stm
www.theguardian.com/world/chagos-islands
91 Sussie
Dec 31st, 2015 - 07:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0“I want to laught. so paedophiliain the tori or in the police system is another socialist crap lie?? trow me another one.”
What does your post have to do with the Argentine Ambassador to London?
Why are you obsessing about paedophilia ??
Kiss me, Sussie
YOU TELL ME SUNSHINE.....D ONT BE SCARE OR ASHAME , AFTER ALL IS YOUR NATION CREATION.... TELL US BOUT TORI PEDOPHILIA..
Dec 31st, 2015 - 12:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 093 georgeneurus the ignoramus
Dec 31st, 2015 - 01:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“only attitude used toward them was ignore them” Fifty percent of the national population and thirty percent of Buenos Airs population doesn't simply vanish because their ostracized. Show me historically where such an occurrence wasn't the result of genocide. “The European Court of Human Rights has dismissed a case brought by Chagos Islanders. The Telegraph, Thursday 19 February 2015 ”The court in Strasbourg ruled that the islanders’ case was inadmissible because the applicants had already been granted due legal process in Britain, where their case rumbled on for three decades.
The ruling said that by accepting financial compensation from the British government in the 1980s, the Chagossians, … were no technically longer victims of human rights violations.“
Moreover, they were contract workers from Mauritania, not indigenous. ”mau mau or yemen or another nations wehere uk was , it was bu usurpation” What they were armed revolts, which were thwarted and those countries, by an exercise of self-determination evolved into independent nations. It seems you are blighted by an unfortunate sexual predisposition. You should seek help for this dangerous maladay
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