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Departing Spanish minister joins Argentine bandwagon claiming 'Malvinas dialogue'
Spanish Foreign Secretary Jose Manuel Garcia Margallo has delivered what could possibly be his last comment on Spain’s claim to Gibraltar’s sovereignty in his current role. The official has jumped on the bandwagon of a new Argentine platform seeking international support for the return of the Falkland Islands and urging UK to agree to bilateral talks over Gibraltar’s sovereignty. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesGood grief they are getting tiresome, at the very least they could put some substance into their pointless statements.
Jan 15th, 2016 - 08:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0They both want their precious back but they don’t offer anything. So why would anybody want to talk to them.
They both know that right to self determination is all, but refuse to speak to those who matter.
Instead they just shout and scream at the UK who have repeatedly stated their position.
So useless Spain and Argie ministers speak to those that matter and convicence them that you are worth joining
Or just shut the hell up…………….
He's a gonner.
Jan 15th, 2016 - 09:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0Next.
maybe the Spanish navy should suffer the same fate as the Argentinian one did in 1982. Does he not remember the outcome of his countries last attempt to bully the UK? (England at the time) or maybe they are in denial about the Spanish Armada.Disregarding agreements, treaty's and history seems to be a common theme with the Latinos.
Jan 15th, 2016 - 09:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0So it appears they do not recognise their obligations under the Treaty of Utrecht. This treaty will have to be be renegotiated - however, most of the participants no longer exist!
Jan 15th, 2016 - 11:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0@3. The last time that Spain seriously tried to oppose Britain was during the American Revolutionary War. Like France, spain saw the Revolution as an opportunity to weaken the British Empire because it had given spain substantial losses in the Seven Years' War. During the course of this conflict spain undertook the Great Siege of Gibraltar, from June 16, 1779 to February 7, 1783. As we might expect, spain lost. As history demonstrates, Britain is so much better than spain. “Disregarding” may be the right word. There was some crazy the other day rabbiting about how Treaties agreed in the past were invalid in the 21st century. Attempting to use it as an excuse for spanish invasions of British Gibraltar Territorial Waters. Such a shame that, as usual, he didn't have a clue what he was talking about. What defines British Gibraltar Territorial Waters? UNCLOS III. Spain knows about it because it tried to include a caveat into the Convention about Gibraltar. Only to be told that it could say what it liked but it would have no effect on the Convention. British Gibraltar Territorial Waters are enshrined by international law. Wonder if there are “rules of engagement” for the Royal Navy to destroy spanish vessels?
Jan 15th, 2016 - 11:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0Spain has so many things to talk about: OlivenÇa for instance, Ceuta, Melilla, Menorca
Jan 15th, 2016 - 11:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina has so many things to talk about : Formosa, Misiones, Chilean Patagonia
They should get on with it and show us how good they are at “returning things”
Crybabies,
Jan 15th, 2016 - 12:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Spain-hand over Ceuta & Melilla to Morocco.
Argentina-hand over to Paraguay the land that you stole from them in 1871.
You pair have NO CREDIBILITY.
Vamoose, get lost.
yawn.
Jan 15th, 2016 - 01:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Cuetta, Melila, Patagonia... heck, Argentine and most of south america.... hand them all over to the indigenes...
Gollum2 just fell into the fires of Mount Doom, never to be seen or heard of again.
Jan 15th, 2016 - 02:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And about time too!
Enjoy your pipe and slippers Sr Margallo.......oh yes and mind your own business. We will decide our future, not you or any other aspiring colonialist.
Jan 15th, 2016 - 02:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He could join the Girl Guides for all that it matters,
Jan 15th, 2016 - 03:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yet another ignorant bum who has never read the documnts in the case.
Jan 15th, 2016 - 03:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Who cares.
@8
Jan 15th, 2016 - 05:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Actually CEUTA, MELILLA!
As they say here about idiots like Garcia Margallo, “If they don't crap on the way in, they crap on the way out”...
Jan 15th, 2016 - 05:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0his last comment on Spain’s claim to Gibraltar’s sovereignty ,
Jan 15th, 2016 - 08:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0my first and last comment to you,
Get lost.
Dialogue is fine. All sessions should be public, and should be held in the Falkland Islands as that is the subject of the dispute. And the sessions should include representatives of the Falkland Islands chosen by their democratically elected government.
Jan 16th, 2016 - 05:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0The problem for them is that, in principle, it's sounds fair to have something returned which hundreds of years ago you once owned and had stolen from you.
Jan 16th, 2016 - 08:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0The problem is that all any sympathetic observer has to do is have a quick look at the history and realise that this claim is based on lies and falsehoods. They would be better off just saying that these places adjoin or are in close proximity to their own nations, there they must have them. At least that would be an honest approach.
The simple truth is that the UK had spent its entire history fighting and in dispute with the Spanish, it's just the way it is.
Well, well, well!
Jan 16th, 2016 - 05:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.eluniverso.com/noticias/2016/01/15/nota/5346244/evita-e-islas-malvinas-ya-no-estaran-billetes-argentinos
New designer toilet paper or wipes.
Jan 16th, 2016 - 07:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0To: 18 gordo1 (#)
Jan 16th, 2016 - 10:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Too funny -- thanks for the link! I like Macri more and more every day -- a small but positive step.
Have just seen Corbyn on Andrew Marr. He gave a very vague answer when asked a hypothetical about the Falklands. When asked should the islanders have a veto in any negotiations he replied of course they should decide their future but let's not set agendas in advance. So in his view their right to self-determination is not sacrosanct.
Jan 17th, 2016 - 10:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0Fortunately for the islanders, and for us all, Corbyn has the worst ratings of an incoming leader of the opposition in my lifetime and looks unlikely t0 improve on Miliband's seats even if he makes it that long.
@19 Redrow
Jan 17th, 2016 - 05:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This bit of “news” is also reported in the latest web edition of Sunday's DT.
It is all nonsense, of course, as Labour has no chance of making a government now and for many years to come.
Considering they are not in power, or ever likely to be,
Jan 17th, 2016 - 07:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0why do papers and TV print and show this dribble,
talk abt upsetting the apple cart,
promising Argentina more sweeties does not help.
Briton,
Jan 17th, 2016 - 08:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0lts called teasing the RGs.
Let them think they have a bit of hope in getting what they want, then jerking it away from them! lol!
@8
Jan 18th, 2016 - 12:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://news.yahoo.com/students-demand-answers-game-promotes-killing-indigenous-australians-184824692.
“She also noted that the game treats the historical genocide of indigenous Australians as a source of entertainment. Between 1778 and 1900, Australia’s indigenous population was reduced by 90 percent as a result of British colonization.”
And I thought it was all the Ozzer's fault after the British let them go, so say the British here countless times.
What a better way to start 2016 than with the obvious statement after reading that article:
ANGLOS WILL BE ANGLOS.
Now it feels like normal again.
@23 Historical events can be utilised for all sorts of reasons.
Jan 18th, 2016 - 07:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0Just like this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conquest_of_the_Desert
ARGIES WILL BE ARGIES!
When it comes to the Falklands:-
Jan 18th, 2016 - 09:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0RGs are duuuuuuummmmmmmbbbbbbb!
(& liars & misogynists & afflicted by malviblindness)
Oh did l say that the also handle the truth extremely carelessly?
Agreed
Jan 18th, 2016 - 08:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The UK will return the Malvinas within the next 25 years.
Jan 19th, 2016 - 12:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Argentina will return Sta Cruz Province within the next 25 years.
Jan 19th, 2016 - 09:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0@30 Not sure anyone will want pcia Sta Cruz -- it's a liability, completely bankrupt:
Jan 20th, 2016 - 11:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0Véase:
.... la Señora Alicia Kirchner en su alocución dijo que la provincia estaba “quebrada en sus finanzas”, “que no había dinero para pagar los salarios más allá de un par de meses”, “que la provincia no es sustentable, “que la caja de previsión está en rojo” y a modo de remate “que este modelo no da para más”. Paradojas del destino, el primer empleo público en Santa Cruz de Néstor Kirchner fue en la Caja de Previsión; hoy fundida.
http://www.lanueva.com/notas-y-comentarios/845592/santa-cruz--el-feudo-en-quiebra.html
@31 Marti Llazo,
Jan 20th, 2016 - 12:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0l feel sure that once we got the malvinistas out of Sta Cruz that we could make it more than pay for itself!
The hardworking non-malvinista Argentines would be welcome to stay.
They would just have to get used to driving on the left! lolz.
Yes, Sta Cruz could be made productive. But first you would have to empty it of most of the population, and take enormous pains to retrain the remainder. I'm not sure that the effort would be worth it.
Jan 20th, 2016 - 04:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Kirchner years here (in Sta Cruz) have seen some immensely foolish and wasteful projects. It looks like Macri is cancelling one of them (the Sta Cruz river dams.) He is saying publicly that the project involves unnecessary environmental damage, which is a bit curious but understandable, since the cancellation is ironically likely to please a good number of eco-leaning Peronists, if not the Kirchner bloc. Besides being a make-work waste of money, there is no market for the electricity that the dams were supposed to generate, particularly after you consider the new and equally unnecessary Río Turbio coal-fired plant, another disaster that made many eco-Peronists unhappy with the Kirchnerists. I actually got to visit that one. It was supposed to burn the low-grade coal still being extracted from the aging and rather dangerous mines at Río Turbio. But that coal is so poor in quality and so high in ash that getting it to work was a disaster (and evidently nobody had figured out what to do with the ash waste). So then there was talk of importing decent coal from South Africa and shipping it by train from the Atlantic coast to within 50 km of the Pacific! For the phony inauguration of the plant, they had part of it run on diesel! Now they are trying to convert it to use natural gas. And of course the Kirchner press denied all the problems and cost overruns.
Sta Cruz is just so screwed up with Kirchner foibles. Without the huge infusions of national funding, Sta Cruz is one of the poorest in Argentina. And Río Turbio is a nasty, gritty little sty. Despite the province's potential, replacing the dregs and failures with a productive set of folks and industries would be a herculean task, even for an islander.
@33 Marti,
Jan 20th, 2016 - 09:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks for all that info.
l picked Sta Cruz because it is adjacent & British people started to develop it before the Argentines arrived.
Mainly as a counter to their ridiculous “claims” over the Falklands.
And to show the idiots that we can have “claims”also!
l admit that l know very little about the place.
Peace.
Meanwhile Spain continues with its ridiculous campaign of harrassment. Nice to see the grown-up approach of Margallo lingers on
Jan 21st, 2016 - 10:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://chronicle.gi/2016/01/spain-bans-all-contact-with-gibraltar-hockey/
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