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Labor leader calls for “accommodation” on the Falklands issue with Argentina
British Labor leader and head of the opposition Jeremy Corbyn has called for “accommodation” with Argentina in the Falkland Islands, and anticipated that any discussions over the future of the Islands should give inhabitants an “enormous say”, but stopped short of giving them a veto. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesJeremy Corbyn should keep talking - he will never get elected.
Jan 18th, 2016 - 09:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0““Of course the islanders have an enormous say in this. “They have got a right to decide on their own future and that will be part of it.”” That will be all of it. Self-determination trumps all.
The Falkland Islanders need not be concerned because nothing has changed and nothing will change.
Corbyn is a prime contender for the 'foot in mouth' award. This must have given Marcos an orgasm!
Jan 18th, 2016 - 09:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0Corbyn is a Marxist prat. He is being increasingly ridiculed in the UK.
Jan 18th, 2016 - 09:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0He is now even suggesting we enter into dialogue with ISIS. Let's send him out there to do it!!
LOL. Listening to this muppet is literally like stepping in a time machine and travelling back to 1983. Corbyn is even more loony left unelectable than Michael Foot ever was. I think we can all (including the Falklanders) sleep soundly in our beds. The chances of the Labour party ever winning a General Election with Corbyn in charge are ZERO.
Jan 18th, 2016 - 09:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0Exactly what is needed. This man at the very least will open many minds and deprogram the jingoism and knee jerk response espoused by the tabloid rags over the years.
Jan 18th, 2016 - 09:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0Like MP Galloway proposed the islanders should have about the same level of say in a national level affair as any other group of 2500 have.
Hopefully a vast number of labour voters will see the sense in their party leaders view.
@5
Jan 18th, 2016 - 10:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0Only it's not 2500 people.
Should Britain give any room for debate over the Falklands?
YES 29%
NO 71%
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jeremy-corbyn-says-britain-should-7193638
@5 Exactly what is needed for whom - aspiring colonialists - invaders - thieves - liars - nazis - take your choice? Corbyn has a snowballs chance in hell of ever having any influence in the UK. He is a joke elected by scroungers and miscreants. The Labour Party will never hold office whilst he leads it. In essence the Labour Party is finished for the next 10 years at the very least. Listen to David Cameron, the Falkland Islanders will decide their own destiny and no one else. They alrady voted on that - 99% want to remain a BOT!
Jan 18th, 2016 - 10:19 am - Link - Report abuse 06 - ah yes the mirror. See tabloid rags. Interesting to see the wording of the question too, an admission that it is a national level issue. All Britons giving their opinions not just 2500, thats a good start.
Jan 18th, 2016 - 10:42 am - Link - Report abuse 07 - Nice options and an eloquent point indeed. Surprising however that you say Corbyn has no influence when hes on the bbc and in international newspapers.
Im just glad hes asking the questions some would rather ignore, for all the world to see.
Why exactly do YOU want Britains south american/mercosur relations, including future trade, dictated by a hamlet of 2500, rather than all of GB, would you have the same policy for airports or rail lines ? Let the good people of a village outside Luton/Stanstead have the final say.
After all they did have a vote on it. Sorry folks no more air travel.
Oh and no high speed rail, a single farmer had an objection, something to do with a cabbage patch, so sorry scrap the factory plans. He did have a vote after all.
This embarrassment of a politician does have a large majority in the labour party, NOT the parliamentary labour party. The more of these ridiculous comments he makes the less chance he will still be labour leader by 2017 let alone the 2020 election.
Jan 18th, 2016 - 10:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0His comments about The Falklands, Trident and defense in general will definitely alienate the armed forces and any civilian who is employed directly or indirectly by the MOD.
Lets all send Jeremy ideas for his next big policy statement, maybe he should demand that we all convert to Islam to avoid conflict with ISIS, or maybe convert to communism to appease Russia.
Can anyone remember the last time a British political leader championed appeasement? wasn't it 1939? that didn't end well.
The UK will never abandon The Falklands or Gib as long as the people of both want us we will be there! 1982 and 255 lives proved that and Corbyn will never be in a position to alter that.
Corbyn wants to take us back to the 70's by reintroducing the right to secondary picket and wildcat strikes. Surely it was one of the most embarrassing decades when we had to borrow from the IMF?
Jan 18th, 2016 - 11:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0Vestige, in a democracy the leader of the opposition is allowed airtime. They should be allowed to voice their policies and opinions. You can't have a democracy if you only allow the people you agree with speak.
Corbyn is to the Conservatives as Trump is to the Democrats; a gift.
Yes conversions to islam and communism, absolutely. Very mature.
Jan 18th, 2016 - 11:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0As for GB never abandoning the falklands didnt an earlier government actively try to negotiate an agreement with Argentina.
I wonder how the islands (and Arg-GB relations) might be thriving and growing at this point in time if it had gone ahead.
Everyone knows what 'reasonable accommodation' means to Argentina. Sovereignty & nothing less. The Argies have declared their views on Islanders having their say. So, Argentina as untrustworthy as ever.
Jan 18th, 2016 - 11:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0Case taken to ICJ is only 'accommodation' that is possible.
But Argentina, not keen on that option as they know lies don't cut it there.
Therefore, conclusion is Corbyn = Traitor.
#8 Did the whole of the UK vote on Scottish independence ? If the answer is no check why that might be.
Jan 18th, 2016 - 11:17 am - Link - Report abuse 013 - nope. I think it might be something to do with Scotland being one half of the (historic) union. And a full country rather than an overseas territory/colony/possession.
Jan 18th, 2016 - 11:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0Corbyn has stated that he will eradicate the Trident missiles from the submarines BUT will KEEP the unarmed subs operating as usual!
Jan 18th, 2016 - 11:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0This man shouldn't be allowed out on his own.
Corbyn reminds us of the sort who would turn over Czechoslovakia to the Nazis in exchange for “peace in our time.”
Jan 18th, 2016 - 11:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0@15 Your right. I wonder, when he went out on his own, if his parents used to tie string to his wrist so he could always find his way back, If only they had forgotten just once .... ah well... wishful thinking
Jan 18th, 2016 - 11:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0Vestige- Perhaps you could start with:
Jan 18th, 2016 - 11:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0What is the minimum Argentina would accept over the Islands:
I reckon it is - Argentine Sovereignty and all that thus goes with it- ie Argentine Govt control over the Islands and their Govt with Argentina having the ultimate final say in our laws-taxes-nationality- currency- legal system-police- foreign affairs- defence etc.
Impose that over a people who do not want it- did you not know that is called COLONIALISM - right back to the 18th Century style! The UN and the world today has moved on- sadly you have not.
Oh whats this. Mockery of the bearer of an opinion which disagrees with your own.
Jan 18th, 2016 - 11:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0Could this be considered 'harking'.
Not long til the rotten cabbages start flying.
The more things change.
Vestige, you are not British, and you dont understand our mindset do you? You think that we should abandon 2500 people, many of whom are from families that have lived on the Falkland Islands for many generations? Well we won't! Whatever it takes, we will protect their interests. Argentina is a strange mixture between a facist state and a dictatorship. Until recently ruled by a raving nutcase who plundered and ruined a potentially wealthy country. By Argentinas actions in and since 1982 , we wouldnt trust Argentina to run a kebab stsnd let alone our islands. Its a country that has made itself a pariah of corruption, lawlessness, and abject failure. There is no way such a country is going to have any influence over British territory and British people. As for Latin America, Britain does very well and we generously give aid to many developing countries there including Argentina. We look forward to having good relations with Argentina through Snr Macri which will benefit us all including the residents of the British Falkland Islands. Corbyn is just an object of derision and unfortunately he has made the Labour Party unelectable, so please dont raise your hopes on what he says.
Jan 18th, 2016 - 11:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina actually belongs to Paraguay. It's all documented in some of that papal bull.
Jan 18th, 2016 - 12:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 20 Captainsilver
Jan 18th, 2016 - 12:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“ Corbyn is just an object of derision and unfortunately he has made the Labour Party unelectable, ”
Unfortunate? Nothing unfortunate about that.
#14 We are an Overseas Territory with our own identity and our own Constitution. We have the right to seek independence if we wish. We are neither a colony nor a possession. So if you want others to respect your differing opinion, perhaps you could refrain from using insulting descriptions that seek only to distort the rights of our people to choose their political destiny.
Jan 18th, 2016 - 12:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I suppose this raving leftie would also hand Gibraltar over to the conquistadors in Spain as well.
Jan 18th, 2016 - 12:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He's unelectable so no need to worry really.
Also it's 'Labour' not Labor and 'defence' not defense.
Vestige and the others, heres a few tips…
Jan 18th, 2016 - 12:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you want some influence over the Falkland Islands you must drop your sovereignty claim because the Islanders reject it and the UK is confident of its sovereignty. It is seen as a potential act of theft.
You must stop the constant aggression because its getting you nowhere. You must stop hawking your sovereignty claim around and trying to influence bodies like the C24 and banana republics.
As a nation Argentina has never sought friendly relations with the Islanders. Its only through contact and friendly relations that you will ever have any influence over the islands and what goes on there. Joint projects concerning fishing, conservation, cooperation, friendships, trust, marriages, families, educational opportunities. Transport links, tourism even defence cooperation.
Be realistic you have got nowhere with a war, aggression and trying to isolate the islands, perhaps its time to try another way.
There is not a chance in hell the Labour Party are going to go into a general election with this guy, nobody in their sane minds would vote for him, he is dangerous, virtually a communist and they will replace him before the election.
Jan 18th, 2016 - 01:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm quite sure that this statement will make the Argentines think they have hope, but you have none, Corbyn had not faced the general public in a national vote and his party is in free fall.
20 - the high drama approach yet again.
Jan 18th, 2016 - 01:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 018 - I cant speak for the Argentine govt, but Id imagine negotiation would be a good deal more reasonable than you suggest. There'd be experienced London and B.A. diplomats involved in finding a mutually beneficial approach. As opposed to the rantings of the poorly educated (check the census theyre barely literate) colonists and their vested interests.
25 - I dont think Arg has war in mind. Mostly because the isles are no great prize. Theyre isolated and frozen in time with a stagnant aging population and 1 miserable hamlet.
To live there under present politics is its own punishment.
An analogy might be a well armed local eccentric moving into your coal bunker during winter. He shouldnt be there by right, but just recline and switch on the radiator in the meantime.
Hes known to your Indian neighbor and apparently caused some trouble with the Irish guy and seems to intrude on you Spanish neighbor. Apparently mugged some Chagosian guy too. Caught a beating from some American I hear. Stole the Palestinian familys car and sold it to some Jewish guys. Havent heard the end of it since.
Every neighborhood has one. Just keep the door locked and watch him from the top floor. The Indian guy says he'll eventually leave.
@11
Jan 18th, 2016 - 01:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Indeed, numerous British governments would have been perfectly happy to turn the Falklands over to Argentina, but a precondition has always been the consent of the islanders. That's one of the reasons the junta went to war in 1982. Obviously enough, if you're a fascist military dictatorship notorious for the torture and murder of your own citizens, you can't have people deciding their own future for themselves, can you? Where would it all end? Elections? Human rights?
But look on the bright side. It remains the case that Argentina can have the Falklands whenever it likes. All it needs is the consent of the people who live there. Why is that such a problem?
“- I dont think Arg has war in mind. Mostly because the isles are no great prize. Theyre isolated and frozen in time with a stagnant aging population and 1 miserable hamlet.”
Jan 18th, 2016 - 02:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0--- Perfect illustration of how detached from reality is the argento perception. They seem to tell themselves the same false tales over and over again, never bothering to open their eyes and minds.
The prospects for the future on the islands have never been brighter. The amount of new construction is intriguing.
Vestige- Sorry but the negotiating policy of successive Arg Govts since the 1960s have been exactly that- The end result of any Discussions on Sovereignty will be Argentine Sovereignty and Argentine Govt control over the Islands.
Jan 18th, 2016 - 02:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Simple as that.
The only reason the Menem Govt made some progress in the 1990s was because both sides agreed that the Sov issue was basically impossible - so it was parked aside under the famous “umbrella” and practical agreements on co-operation were reached with the understanding that none influenced the Sov position of either side.
Back then we had sensible agreements on Fisheries- Hydrocarbons- etc.
We even had a generation here growing up who thought that Soiv issue to one side - then Arg was actually not a bad lot and we were learning to get along with each other.
Sorry but 15yrs of the Ks have ruined that and we now have several generations here who hate anything Argentine far more than us oldies did come 14th June 1982!
That will take your side another 15yrs of nice talking and friendly
gestures to put right before we can even start.
Vestige - why does Argentina insist on negotiation? Just what are the objections to a settlement from the International Court of Justice?
Jan 18th, 2016 - 02:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 030 - Way overpriced, I really dont think you'll be seeing anything beyond maybe 1 week of friendly gestures, and two brief incidences of nice talk max.
Jan 18th, 2016 - 02:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nor will you see any real life on those islands.
They'll never thrive. A life spent there is a deservedly wasted one.
@32
Jan 18th, 2016 - 03:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So what's the desperation to get your hands on them?
Vestige 32 - So you are an expert on the quality of life here?
Jan 18th, 2016 - 03:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Been here for most of my 65yrs and would not choose to live anywhere else.
Appreciate small community life not a citydweller,s cup of tea - but seems to suit those of the 24 national origens who today call these islands Home.
A good number of them were on the electoral roll 2 yrs ago and voted to for the Islands to remain a British Territory as well - was NOT just Brits voting to stay Brits as your Govt claimed.
34 - and that whole time you cost Britain more money than you could possibly contribute. Just so you know. All the missile defenses and the troop movements and what not. And no doubt lost trade and damaged relations in SA too.
Jan 18th, 2016 - 03:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hospital waits and un-repaired potholes somewhere in blighty. The money spent guarding a sparsely populated fortress.
Well done sir.
Vestige, you still dont or wont understand our mindset and you have obviously never been to the islands. Fume away… we do enjoy watching impotent Argie trolls fume. :-)
Jan 18th, 2016 - 04:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@35 Just to indulge your line of thinking…..imagine what the money the K's wasted on this fool's errand could have paid for in Argentina. You can be sure they spent for more on the fruitless campaign than your developing country can afford.
Jan 18th, 2016 - 04:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You cannot get the Falklands unless the Falkland Islanders desire it and they don't.
Since no Argentine is willing to learn the truth about the Falklands and none would actually deign to live there, it's a pretty safe assumption that the islanders will be driving on the correct side of the road for a long time to come.
Jan 18th, 2016 - 04:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh, and the 300 or so chilenitos who live there are never going to vote to become part of Argenzuela, either:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04Cr_EVJX9E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04Cr_EVJX9E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04Cr_EVJX9E
@5. Now tell us. Are you brain-dead, ignorant or stupid? Minds MAY open to ensure he NEVER gets into power. He IS an unthinking traitor.
Jan 18th, 2016 - 04:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@8. Be quiet. You're a traitor as well.
@11. Long before this the Islanders would have appealed to Britain. There would be a task force. Argies would be out or dead. Perhaps we would have already bombed and/or missiled Buenos Aires, Mar del Plata and anywhere else deemed a threat.
@14. LITTLE scotland isn't half. It's 9%. How about martial law?
@19. You're fortunate that it's only mockery. I'd have you shot.
@32. They seem to be fine, happy and viewing you as scum. From a British point of view, I remember 255 British dead. Dead because argie scum who had no right to be on the Falklands, killed them. Have you apologised? Have you handed over the war criminals? Have you paid reparations? Do you understand that you were beaten and, by international law, the Islands are incontrovertibly British? All of argieland is guilty. Britain can do what it likes to you. But, unlike you, we're civilised.
@35. Even if 10% of what you said was true, we British wouldn't care. Perhaps 0.3% of the defence budget. You see, we are so much better than you. We have combat aircraft that fly. Tanker transports. Not like your one. We have warships that float and sail all over the world. Do you have one that can get out of harbour? Any subs that can submerge? Any tanks that can't, like the Challenger 2, be beaten? All the missile defences and troop movements would have happened anyway. Somewhere. Do we care about “lost trade and damaged relations in SA”? So what? Many parts of the world more important.
Whittering about hospital waits an un-repaired potholes is just desperate and fatuous. As you go on, your comments become more ludicrous. Is it late? Are you drunk? Again?
36 - tell me of this noble and wholly mysterious British genetically exclusive mindset.
Jan 18th, 2016 - 04:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It sounds entirely original and not at all like something from Alex Jones.
It surely saved the empire. And funnily enough its always in the right wherever in the globe Britains implanted colonists might have a territorial dispute*.
*so long as theres not a significant power involved.
Well thats enough for now. Cheers to Corbyn. Long may they talk about his enlightened views on the topic.
The Argentine trolls must be desperate!
Jan 18th, 2016 - 05:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Corbyn. PMSL!
Silly kelpers.
Jan 18th, 2016 - 05:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I called this last year.
You go on and on about the rottingroadkillians.
It isn't them you have to worry about.
It's the people back in Britain that will betray you.
Weak as water.
Laugh about the US all you want but they are the only nation that isn't afraid to defend their interests.
Even Obamy has loosed more drone strikes than Bushy ever thought about.
Cameron is ready to surrender UK sovereignty to the EU.
Weak as water.
Corbyn's political twin in the US, Bernie Sanders, is gaining ground with some voters. Not completely impossible that it could happen in the UK also.
Jan 18th, 2016 - 06:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@43 In the unlikely event that the UK would abandon the islands, a probability indistinguishable from naught, there are any number of other nations which might take the islands as an independent protectorate. Chile, for example, which now has no problem not only keeping its share of Argentina's territorial expansionism duly contained, but can also happily supply its own bases in the Antarctic without recurring to begging the assistance of third parties.
Jan 18th, 2016 - 06:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Speaking at BBC1’s The Andrew Marr Show, a loony leftie argued that “it seems to me ridiculous that in the 20th century we got into some enormous conflict with Germany about the countries just on its border”.
Jan 18th, 2016 - 07:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A plague of snakes on the rottingroadkillians . . . . .
Jan 18th, 2016 - 07:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@46 Speaking of snakes, one of the questions from the gallery concerning the animal images on the new Argentine currency: why none showing the omnipresent endemic vipers?
Jan 18th, 2016 - 07:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@35: Dear Vestige, you forgot to mention the £6bn that is distributed around the globe in foreign aid. £36m goes to Argentina every year! Any plans on sending it back? It's meant for education. The amount spent in keeping a military profile here is negligible, less than 1% of the defence budget and if the money wasn't spent on the Falkland Islands it would be spent on defence anyway, that's how it works.
Jan 18th, 2016 - 08:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It would appear that the £36m isn't being spent on education.
The point is that Corbyn doesn't stand a hope of being elected as PM, but in terms of being able to say what he thinks, that's freedom of speech, regardless of how inane and misguided his ideas may be. Just for the record, you mention the red tops, perhaps you should read the Times (not a red top); he gets a slating there too today. Perhaps you should have a balanced read.
On the face of it, what he says is not so mad, except he doesn't think beyond having a “dialogue”, regrettably, Argentina will accept nothing less than full control of the Islands.
When do you plan visiting, so you can see for yourself how the Islands are actually developing. It's all going rather well. How much did you say it cost you to fill your tank the other week? $1000.00? I filled the car for £40.00 last week. No, we're doing just fine!
IF,IF, And if
Jan 18th, 2016 - 08:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Politicians love playing the IF card,
What IF this, What IF that,
They speak and the great IF comes into question,
OK,
What IF we played the same game as Argentina?
Arguing purely and simply on their argument of claim,
The islands are ours because they are in our vicinity,
Basically that the only argument they have,
[Unless you have one]
So on this basis then, what IF the islanders decided to claim the mainland of Argentina on the grounds of vicinity,,
When will Argentina sit down and discuss this,
The sooner the better, and with peaceful means.
After all, you just cannot have it both ways,
Still,
What IF , IF , IF..mmmm
British it was, British it is, and British it will remain.
.that's my opinion, IF that's ok....lol
Doesn't matter what Corbyn wants.
Jan 18th, 2016 - 08:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina's insistence on keeping the UN involved guarantees self-determination.
Own goal!
35 Voice, V0ice, Vestige, Think et al, sock-puppeteer extraordinaire
Jan 18th, 2016 - 08:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“..and that whole time you cost Britain more money than you could possibly contribute.” The only person that seems concerned about the costs is an Argentine apologist like you.
“defence, the cost of which amounts to some 0.5 % of the total UK defence budget.” ww.gov.uk/government/publications/2010-to-2015-government-policy-falkland-islanders-right-to-self-determination/2010-to-2015-government-policy-falkland-islanders-right-to-self-determination
Corbyn is just teasing the RGs.
Jan 18th, 2016 - 08:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He probably isn't meaning to, but its the same outcome.
Doubt he'll ever be elected.
Yet another nail in Britain's colonial coffin in the South Atlantic...
Jan 18th, 2016 - 09:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A big one..., knocked this time by an important British interlocutor...
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That's the nice thing about the Falklands. It gives everyone with normal intelligence pause to remember once again that both Labour and Argentina are virtual Petri dishes for the Stupid Virus.
Jan 18th, 2016 - 09:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@53: Dear me, Think! There is no colony in the South Atlantic. It makes me wonder just how dumb you actually are, each week brings you to a new low in everyone's estimation. Jezza isn't “important” he got in because a lot of tory voters signed up to be members so that they could vote him in, thereby ensuring that the Tories didn't have any viable competition in the next elections in four years time. By the time Corbyn actually can be elected he will be well past it and unelectable, by his own design.
Jan 18th, 2016 - 10:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Would you vote for someone that has backed terrorism in the past? Would you vote for someone that wants to emasculate your armed forces? Would you vote for someone that reckons DAESH is a group open to discussion?
The British public wouldn't vote him in. They see him for what he is........
Hi, after reading all the british whinning and fears projections, let me remind you that for the UN the islands remains being a colony, a non self governing territory. So those of you that full your mouth with niceties about freedom and democracy in the islands, i remind you that there is not such thing in the islands. At least at the UN point of view.
Jan 18th, 2016 - 10:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 054 Marti Llazo
Jan 18th, 2016 - 10:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Labour and Argentina are virtual Petri dishes for the Stupid Virus.”
Ha,ha!! a good one there!!
As if to prove your point, Think-me-not @ 53 calls Jeremy Corbyn an “important British interlocutor”
You can fool some of the people all of the time.....................
You can tell the Argies are losing, they have sent in Jake the Snake, hissing Sid, El Think himself. Spouting his normal drivel. Bahahaha They are fuming, Corbyn is a living symbol of their impotence.
Jan 18th, 2016 - 10:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Falkland Islands? Onwards and upwards!
#5 “Exactly what is needed. ”
Jan 18th, 2016 - 10:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Poor desperate argies, they get excited about anything that they think might advance their great Malvinas myth, even a piece of blue and white Corbyn that washes onto the beach with the other flotsam and jetsam.
56 The UN is irrelavent. Tbe ICJ isnt. Why is Argentina so scared of taking its whingeing there?
Jan 18th, 2016 - 10:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I can tell you - you would lose.
We arent the ones whining, thats the brainwashed of Argentina you are hearing.
53 Voice, V0ice, Vestige, Think et al, sock-puppeteer extraordinaire
Jan 19th, 2016 - 12:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0I believe a much more appropriate saying would be “digging his own grave”.
56 Liberato
“for the UN the islands remains being a colony” That is no longer true as both the UK and the Islanders have for filled all their requirements under the UN Charter. Hence, there is no further legal obligations that can be imposed on them.
The UK will return the Malvinas within the next 25 years.
Jan 19th, 2016 - 12:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0While the Labour Party has a man at the helm that seems to be totally unaware that the Russian Empire has been probing the UK air defences with Bombers capable of carrying a nuclear payload, it is fair to assume they are unelectable.
Jan 19th, 2016 - 01:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0If any Malvinistas wish to continue to touch their genitals while dreaming about Jeremy as the UK's Prime Minister, then that is their fantasy.
Vestige35- Others have reminded you that the Islands defence is a minute 0.5 %of 1% of the UK total defence budget.
Jan 19th, 2016 - 03:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0And what else would the troops be doing if they were not rotating and some coming here? I will tell you - rotating and going to other places.
Ask yourself this- Why does the UK Min of defence aim to send MORE soldiers to the Islands , but for just a short time - a week or two?It is because of the training they can do here - which is difficult to do in most of Europe - but if of great value.
Corbyn is right: a Trident sub full of nuclear missiles that deter no one and Malvinas a British colonial relic stolen from Argentina and needs to be returned.
Jan 19th, 2016 - 04:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0Jeremy Corbyn is a ray of hope for Britain, not only for Islas Malvinas.
Jan 19th, 2016 - 05:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0He wants to ensure senior executives are not paid obscenely higher incomes than their workers such as in the FTSE 100 companies, where one CEO earns 780 times more than his staff and the boss of Next takes home around 450 times more than his workers.
(Among the G7 nations only the UK and US have such gross differentials).
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/jeremy-corbyn-has-finally-brought-left-wing-ideas-in-from-the-cold-a6818031.html
Woohoo! I wondered when #62 would chime in with the “25 years” bollox.
Jan 19th, 2016 - 07:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0@66
Jan 19th, 2016 - 09:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0At least the staff have work thanks to the efficiency of the CEO's ( they do the deals so that the staff have work ) does that not happen in Latam? At least the staff have food on their table, compare that to most Latam countries where their politicians cream off millions and stuff the workers, ( CFK for example) where her wealth increased 1000% whilst in office.
Marcos- As usual- verbal rubbish:
Jan 19th, 2016 - 09:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0Fact 1- Nuclear weapons on both sides have caused mutual respect and peace between East and West for 7o years so far. Not a bad record is it?
Fact 2- No Colonialism in the Islands - if there is tell me please - hell I live here!
Fact 3 - There IS a country though who wishes to impose Colonialism over the Islands - you know - its when a state imposes its rule over a people in a country/territory against their own free choice.
@65 Marcos,
Jan 19th, 2016 - 09:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0What about the land that Argentina stole from Paraguay in 1871?
That most definitely needs to be returned.
Corbyn is a malvinazi kollaborationist who should be ignored (if possible, deported). In the Falklands only the Albatross birds need better “accommodation!”
Jan 19th, 2016 - 09:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0Philippe
What's going on with Canucks?
Jan 19th, 2016 - 10:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0Can dollars are $.69US.
Where's the bottom?
$.50US ?
Come on wantabes.
Excessive begging?
67 # “Woohoo! I wondered when #62 would chime in with the “25 years” bollox.”
Jan 19th, 2016 - 10:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, they deploy their best mind when things get desperate.
#69: fact1: If the uk can afford it, i dont see why they shouldnt have nukes. They have not used them so far. What i dont like is them bringing those weapons to a nuclear free zone.
Jan 19th, 2016 - 11:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0Fac2: Theres is a colony indeed, but not a colonized people. There are different forms of colonialism you know?, a subjugated people is one of them but not a colonialism implemented in Malvinas.
Fact3: There is a country who thinks the islands belongs to them, and wants to dialogue with the colonial power that administer those islands in order to find out who is the real owner of the place. Your assumption of imposing colonialism is only futurologist.
64 - “because of the training they can do here - which is difficult to do in most of Europe - but if of great value.”
Jan 19th, 2016 - 04:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How oft do I hear this utter .... old chestnut.
And its so easily dismissed by referring to the many islands off the north of Scotland. Indeed, even some of northern England offers just as much.
Without the logistic bill.
Theres plenty of places with interchangeable climate and terrain in GB, or perhaps even on some stolen Irish coastline.
The isles offer nothing of unique training value.
So lets not hear such lame straw clutching again.
They offer GB only the cost of many 10 penceses that could have helped some of the people who gave those very 10 penceses.
74 75 Educate yourselves
Jan 19th, 2016 - 05:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0falklandstimeline.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/the-bottom-line.pdf
Or, if you dont agree get Mr Macri to go to the ICJ
Stop whining
I think you quoted wrong the link:. The correct one is:
Jan 19th, 2016 - 05:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0falklandspropagandatimeline.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/the-bottom-line.pdf
There was 55 years of no british claim over the non protested spanish and later argentine peacefull administration of the islands since 1774 to 1829. The british fanatic that created that webpage consider to be the british fishermen as the administrator of the islands instead of the several spanish governors and argentine administrators.
Open your mind to read more than a source, instead of being indoctrinated as a fool.
Is Corbyn saying that ultimately the fate of the Falklands lies in the hands of the UK Govt...
Jan 19th, 2016 - 05:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think he is....
No surprise there...
What happened to Self-Determination...
64
Cold...
Windswept...
Inaccessible...
I'm thinking you haven't visited the Shetland Isles....
Sans... the penguins you couldn't tell them apart....
@ 78 What Corbyn says makes no difference. Un pedo en el viento.
Jan 19th, 2016 - 06:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Cold, windswept..... I am sure you haven't visited Río Grande in Tierra del Fuego. And it should be returned to the indigenous people from which the Argentines stole it. When is that going to happen? Maybe it's time to clean your own filthy house before commenting on the neighbours.
79
Jan 19th, 2016 - 06:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0......“I am sure you haven't visited Río Grande in Tierra del Fuego”
...and can the UK troops train there...?
...how the fcuk does that relate to my post...???
I'm thinking your English comprehension is sadly lacking....
78 - it is self determination, self determination by GB of a place it founded, and that flies the GB flag and spends GB's money.
Jan 19th, 2016 - 06:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Err… Scottish comprehension he means. As Captain Joshua Slocumb found tbe Natives in tbe South were not friendly… so the Argie solution was to wipe the vast majority of them out! Genocide!
Jan 19th, 2016 - 07:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Mr V agrees with Mr V - the Islanders cost too much of the UKs money, but so are the Scots! Should we hand Scotland over to Argentina? Just think, you then might be able to get a decent meal in Scotland!
@ 78 “Cold...
Jan 19th, 2016 - 07:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Windswept...
Inaccessible...
I'm thinking you haven't visited the Shetland Isles....”
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That hasn't prevented the argentos from attempting to steal the South Shetlands, named and claimed by others.
82
Jan 19th, 2016 - 07:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Should we hand Scotland over ”
Who is we...??
The only thing you English pansies would get up here... is your arse handed to you on a plate...
...and you know it...
I am happy to see, AT LAST, a reasonable politician although he was not the first one and will not be the last one. The problem is that in Stanley they believe they are a party to the dispute while clearly, the discussion is between London and Buenos Aires. You had your so-called referendum, you decided to remain British (don't you know that according to argentine law you are born on argentine soil, therefore argie???) and now you do not want them to manage your external relations?
Jan 19th, 2016 - 08:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Go Corbyn go!
There is more about this topic: https://www.mrecic.gov.ar/userfiles/05-juan_archibaldo_lanus.pdf
Long live Corbyn!
85 marasilver
Jan 19th, 2016 - 08:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear.......................
Corbyn has power!
Jan 19th, 2016 - 09:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hes single-handedly given these malvinistas collective wet dreams.
Hes now their pin-up boy!
Perhaps he should run for RG President!
Don't think that his own party will think much of him after this.
@ 85 I have not laughed so hard for bloody ages !
Jan 19th, 2016 - 09:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Argentine law” ha ha ha ha
Es por eso la agenzuela sigue siendo el hazmerreír del planeta.
Corbyn has power!
Jan 19th, 2016 - 09:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hes single-handedly given these Engrish squatters collective headache.
Hes now their Prügelknabe!
Perhaps he should run for UK Prime Ministership!
I Think that his TRUE party will think much of him after this.
Think, you really are a halfwit. Corbyn is a joke, he is a Trot. With the boundary changes and his agenda which 85% of Brits disagree with, he will never ever gain power.
Jan 19th, 2016 - 10:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He does give you an orgasm though, is it the first one for 40 years? Enjoy!
As for your sock puppet, well, all sensible folk will flee to England, as many of the wealthy already have.
Vestige -075 - I am quoting what British Army Officers and NOCOs tell me - not what I make up.
Jan 19th, 2016 - 10:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ask the RAF if they are popular with the locals when they flow low over the Scottish Islands etc? Same as over the remoter hilly parts of England.
Can you get it into your head that there would be No real savings in the UK defence Budget if UK withdrew from the Islands - just a minor relocation of the spend of 0.5 of 1% of the total- peanuts!
Think 89 - not giving anyone here a headache! Made us laugh about and irritated us a wee bit with his vain clueless mutterings yes - but no more than that really.
After all would you take an old fart seriously when he advocates keeping old submarines in service with no weapons doing nothing than sailing about for no point- just to appease a few trade unions!
Just in from an MLA and I quote 'Following the utterances by Jeremy Corbyn on the Marr show, our local radio station took it upon themselves to get a statement from te Labour Part HQ regarding the Falklands. It took a bit of badgering but their persistence paid off and they were given the following: A Labour Party spokesperson, said: “Labour Party policy remains that the people of the Falkland Islands have the right to determine their own future. In the 2013 referendum, the overwhelming consensus was in favour of remaining British. We are committed to upholding the right of the Falkland Islanders to self-determination, including by ensuring the defence of the islands.”
Jan 19th, 2016 - 11:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Labour Party policy remains that the people of the Falkland Islands have the right to determine their own future. In the 2013 referendum, the overwhelming consensus was in favour of remaining British. We are committed to upholding the right of the Falkland Islanders to self-determination, including by ensuring the defence of the islands.”
Jan 19th, 2016 - 11:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Same as Tory policy then... Argie hopes are dashed again.
90
Jan 20th, 2016 - 12:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0...my curiosity has got the better of me...
I can't help wondering....
Are you still shaped like an egg on legs or have you shed a few pounds...?
..is that a wealthy thing...?
or is it a greedy fat bastard thing...?
...curious....
http://en.mercopress.com/2016/01/18/labor-leader-calls-for-accommodation-on-the-falklands-issue-with-argentina#comment427500: Exactly! The UK will, and should, rotate its military some other place than the Malvinas. Where might that other place be? How about eastern Poland or the Baltic countries in order to counter the RF. You should remember that the RF does not present a real problem for the US but it does for Europe. But, in any case, the fact that the UK is deploying anywhere other that Europe is nothing more than its failure to honor its NATO commitments.
Jan 20th, 2016 - 02:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0At this early stage there is a real possibility that either Donald Trump or Bernie Sanders will be the next president. If either one of these attain that office them you Brits are in for a real shock. Gone will be that days when you lard assed limeys, and the rest of the Eurotrash, will be able to sponge off the US. You will, finally, have to start pulling your weight.
Hepathetic appears to believe that the handful of UK military personnel in the Falklands represents the extent of its forces.
Jan 20th, 2016 - 03:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0That, and a great deal of other misunderstanding.
Oh do be quiet, Hepatia, you silly woman.
Jan 20th, 2016 - 06:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0You're not fooling anyone.
l'm sure that the US Government does not consult Argentine citizens for advice when it sets its foreign policies.
You were decisively defeated in 1982 & the matter is now closed.
Gnash your teeth by all means, just get over it………loser.
@97 25 years is like tomorrow for Hepatia, it never comes.
Jan 20th, 2016 - 10:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hep is right about one thing. The EU will have to pony up cash, people and equipment for their defense.
Jan 20th, 2016 - 12:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The USA citizenry is tired of defending the EU and getting nothing in return except derision. We've allowed the EU to get fat and happy on our backs and it must stop.
You all are like spoiled teenagers who think they deserve Daddy's money and protection but not give anything back.
Plus Germany is doomed. That horrible Merkle has ruined that country. I am not sure how it will ever recover.
,Hepatia
Jan 20th, 2016 - 01:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The fact that the UK is deploying anywhere other than Europe is nothing more than its failure to honour its NATO commitments
Does this help you?
UK to send 1,000 troops to Poland
Britain will send 1,000 military personnel to take part in NATO exercises in Poland, part of an agreement with Warsaw to strengthen security ties, the Ministry of Defence has revealed
https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/uk-to-send-1000-troops-to-poland/
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The UK will gift around £500,000 worth of first aid kits to the Ukraine Armed Forces.
Delivered at the request of Ukraine, this package of aid comprises individual first aid kits that will help treat casualties.
Defence Secretary Michael Fallon said:
https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/uk-to-send-1000-troops-to-poland/
I read Hepathetic so I can be reminded of the inevitable consequences of mindless populist nationalism, and Peronism and its failures in particular. In that respect, he/she/it serves a sort of useful purpose.
Jan 20th, 2016 - 02:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 099
Jan 20th, 2016 - 02:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0European defence since WW2 has always been a buffer for the US against Russia...
Nothing has changed, Russia is still a threat to the US and so they will still need bases close to it...it is irrelevant what the average US citizen thinks about that...
Without a convenient first line of defence and attack the US would fail...as they would have failed in WW2 without the UK base of operations...
You talk utter nonsense...
A typical redneck...parochial view....of the world...
Isolationism never worked for the US and wouldn't work for them now...
@102 Fortunately da voice is woefully uninformed on this matter as well, being stuck in 1940s thinking. A veritable Maginot Line of military intellect. To wit, the current US defence (and offense) capabilities, including sensors, to deal with direct Russian military aggression against North America are quite capable of operating very well in the absence of European participation. I could explain the performance and capabilities of some of the components such as the SBIRS and REACT but then we would have to shoot you. The US participation in the defence of various regions is predicated on a number of strategic factors, among them convenience, the maintenance of long-term allies, and the denial of economic development to hostile powers. Of course it is infinitely more complex than that, but the argentine mind is congenitally unequipped for approaching such understanding, just as Argentina is incapable of any sort of contemporary military competence (or even so much as sending sending supply ships to provision its bases on the territories belonging to others).
Jan 20th, 2016 - 04:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0103
Jan 20th, 2016 - 05:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You don't know much about war do you...
Nuclear deterrents are by the description a means of projecting power from a distance...a threat...a deterrent....
They are not a means of winning a war...their targets are mainly civilians...
Also for this to be effective there needs to be a strike back capability...
“The United States has missile defense cooperative programs with a number of allies, including United Kingdom, Japan, Australia, Israel, Denmark, Germany, Netherlands, Czech Republic, Poland, Italy and many others.”
You might want to ask Romania about the...SM-3 missiles ...The missile defense system in Deveselu became operational on 18 December 2015.
and..
”Upgraded Early Warning Radars (UEWR)
Three Air Force Early Warning Radars (UEWR), located in Beale Air Force Base, California; RAF Fylingdales, United Kingdom; and Thule Air Base, Greenland, were upgraded and integrated into the Ballistic Missile Defense System ”
To win a war there needs to be boots on the ground...to get boots on the ground in the theatre of operation...you need a safe defendable landing point...
Without Europe the US has no means of accomplishing that....
....or do you think a space program would win a war...?
Do you think the UK could have dislodged the Argentine Army by nuking them...?
You are amusing....
...not too bright...but amusing...
EU is the first line of defense for the USA?
Jan 20th, 2016 - 05:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Wtf?
Are you a time traveler?
Where do you think the war against Islam is being fought...?
Jan 20th, 2016 - 06:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In the USA...?
Macri needs friends in the City of London to obtain investment. Thats mainly what he will discuss with Mr Cameron at Davos. He will also explain that there is a sizeable number of dimwits in Argentina who prattle on about the Falkland Islands. He will seek Camerons help to toss these fools a carrot. Expect a Macri visit to London soon.
Jan 20th, 2016 - 06:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@103 Certainly would have gotten Videla's attention:
Jan 20th, 2016 - 06:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.taringa.net/posts/info/14460998/El-dia-que-Cordoba-pudo-ser-Hiroshima.html
Trump and Palin! Hillary's dream team! Bahahahaha
Jan 20th, 2016 - 06:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nuke em now Mr President!
106. Can you give me some examples of how the valiant EU citizenry is holding back Islam?
Jan 20th, 2016 - 07:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Soft target allies...when the real target is the US....
Jan 20th, 2016 - 08:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The US that caused all the trouble with it's oil control and it's imagined threats of WMD's...
You might want to ask the Parisians and their families their opinion of US Foreign Policy...
Perhaps the British Secret Service might tell you how many terrorist cells they have destroyed or how many plots have been foiled...though I doubt it...
The root cause...is you and your country.....
Wow really grasping at straws.
Jan 20th, 2016 - 09:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Pretty sure you can blame the rapefest on Merkle.
111 Voice
Jan 20th, 2016 - 09:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“The US that caused all the trouble with it's oil control and it's imagined threats of WMD's...”
Yeah, yeah, yeah!! Friday 13th November in Paris was all the CIA's fault!! and that beach attack in Tunisia!! that has got NSA written all over it!! and the London bombings? SEAL team 6 without a doubt!!
All the fault of the USA....Blah, blah, blah........
Clown
Hmmm. It was definately W assisted by his poodle BLiar. Rednecks revenge.
Jan 20th, 2016 - 10:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Remember, you cant spell nitwit without a W!
114. The Bush family is far from rednecks. They are the bluest of the blue bloods.
Jan 20th, 2016 - 11:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Arabs have been trying to take over the world since Muhammad told them they should.
It has nothing to do with the USA.
Its part of their calling.
104 voice
Jan 21st, 2016 - 12:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0“You don't know much about war do you...”
Continue to enlighten us from the depths of your armchair oh wise one!
http://en.mercopress.com/2016/01/18/labor-leader-calls-for-accommodation-on-the-falklands-issue-with-argentina#comment427645: The US made two major strategic mistakes in the 20th century. The first was in 1917 when the US became involved in the war in Europe. The US national interest at that time was to let the European powers continue fighting until they were completely exhausted and there could be no perceived winner in any useful sense of that word. The US then would have attained the status that it subsequently acquired in 1945 in about 1920 - and without the loss of US lives or the subversion of US principles.
Jan 21st, 2016 - 02:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0The second strategic mistake was not to have invaded and occupied the UK in 1941. Had this been done the US could have disposed the royalist theocratic regime that still rules the UK today and instituted a proper form of republican government in that country. That is it could have brought the benefits of the American Revolution to the British. This would have allowed the US to use the British military much more effectively than the British government did thereby shortening the war and saving many American lives.It also would have allowed the US to avoid such post war disasters as the Viet Nam War etc.
US “Isolationism” is a European myth. The US has never been isolationist. Historically the US interest has been directed towards the Pacific and Asia. The Pivot to Asia restores this world interest. The only problem is that this pivot should have occurred during the fist Clinton administration. Had it happen then we would certainly be out of NATO now. And there is no doubt that the US involvement in NATO represents a foreign entanglement that George Washington warned us of.
#117: That's pretty much nonsense from start to finish.
Jan 21st, 2016 - 09:22 am - Link - Report abuse 01917: The US entered the war due to the German campaign of unrestricted submarine warfare, sinking passenger ships and, critically, attacking American ships. The US at the time did not have a sizeable military; and indeed, in 1919 virtually dismantled its army and navy. Therefore your first paragraph - re: 'acquiring hegemonic status in 1920' is drivel.
1941: You don't 'invade and occupy' allies. At least, proper countries don't (can't speak for Argentina or Spain there). Your concept that the UK is ruled by a 'royalist theocratic regime' is also utterly risible.
As to 'using the British military more efficiently' - I think you will find this is also nonsense. The Allied armies were under joint control throughout the war. In terms of lives lost, the British were actually the more efficient there as Montgomery was a more cautious general. Again, your claim is hysterical nonsense.
As is your third paragraph. US interest has been towards trade partners. Historically these were in Europe and its interests have focused towards the Asia-Pacific as the Asian economies have modernised and grown.
Your entire post makes absolutely no sense unless one accepts your hysterical hatred of the UK as a starting point. Once you take this on board, your drivel makes sense.
@117 Hepatia,
Jan 21st, 2016 - 09:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0Thats what YOU would like to have happened.
However as you are an insignificant malvinista from an insignificant country(RG-land), your views do not count even one little piece.
Go back to your parallel universe, something may happen there “within 25 years”!
Complete Drivel, Hep, old girl.
@ 117 Hepathetic's comments are a reminder of the nature of education in Argentina today. It is no wonder that the country is unable to effectively participate in world affairs.
Jan 21st, 2016 - 12:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hepatitis is good for a laugh!
Jan 21st, 2016 - 12:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not much else!
It reads too many alterverse books and thinks they're history books.
Jan 21st, 2016 - 01:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have found most of the Rgs (and some others) on this board have a terrible education. None of them would make it through 12th grade in The USA. They are illogical and think emotions are facts.
The crap they write has little bearing to reality and the way they try to prove things is so convoluted its like they're trying to prove the color of the ocean is yellow and they think they get there!
I miss Axel, truly the dumbest poster on here. I wonder if he was fired for teaching lies?
I miss the Cedron loony,a funny guy.Probably fired after the election.
Jan 21st, 2016 - 03:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hepatitis is quite funny in a pig ignorant way.Her/it's grasp of history is about UK 9 year old medal,not to good at maths either.
Hepatia
Jan 21st, 2016 - 07:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you should really get out of your cocoon once in a while.
besides
The argentines made two major strategic mistakes in the 20th century.
first was invading the Falkland's,
the second was electing a lunatic called CFK..lol
Hepatitis - history lesson…
Jan 21st, 2016 - 08:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 01. The USA only got into WWI when British intelligence told them that Germany was trying to involve Mexico in a German attack on the USA with the Germans promising to give them Texas, New Mexico and Arizona!
2. The allies attack on D Day and the advance into Germany was a sideshow. Germany was defeated on the Eastern front by the Russians. As for your stupid assertions, Americans admire the UK as we admire them. We have different approaches to things but fundementally we respect each other. We left dictatorships like yours behind hundreds of years ago.
You see, Hepatia, even the Americans on here do not believe that you are one of them.
Jan 21st, 2016 - 09:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0l have relations in both the US & Canada, l'll bet that l could get US citizenship well before you could.
You are an RG troll, working, l guess for the RG Ministry for Disinformation.
l know you hate us by your vitriolic anti-British outpourings.
Diddums, poor thing.
ls it because we decisively defeated your gallant RG Armed forces in 1982?
As one of your own “Mothers of the Disappeared” said:-
“The Argentine Army were good at killing students & factory workers, but when they had to face real soldiers, they showed how useless they were”.
Or words to that effect.
Scram, Hepatia, you're flogging a dead horse.
I've never met one American that dislikes the UK. We have a lot of opinions about them but disliking them is not one of them.
Jan 21st, 2016 - 09:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@126 Isolde
Jan 21st, 2016 - 10:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't know about Hepatia, what education has received or which is her background.
Your remmark is accurate and I agree 100 % with that “Mothers of the disappeared” statement even though I depart 100 % from their political stand.
But ... please, people in this forum, do not make the mistake of thinking that everybody in Argentina wants to pursue the Malvinas myth.
As to why Macri wont't let go of the “claim”, it should be pretty obvious that doing otherwise will get him into a lot of trouble and bring about a political sh1tstorm.
@128 “But ... please, people in this forum, do not make the mistake of thinking that everybody in Argentina wants to pursue the Malvinas myth. ”
Jan 22nd, 2016 - 01:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0Not everyone, just the vast majority.
129. That's not true, I lived there for a long time and I didn't meet anyone who cared at all about it.
Jan 22nd, 2016 - 02:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0Of course these were educated people with good jobs from nice families.
#130: It's similar in Spain with the Gibraltar issue although there, the main thing is indifference. Push the issue and the vast majority of Spaniards think Gibraltar should be Spanish.
Jan 22nd, 2016 - 08:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0But most know it will never happen and they have far more pressing issues, like the phenomenal level of corruption within the political hierarchy (hence the recent election results).
As to the Spaniards living local to Gibraltar, some may stick to the “Gibraltar Espanyol” line but on a practical level prefer it the way it is: after all, there are now 12,000 who live in Spain and work in Gibraltar. Got to make a living somewhere.
“Of course the islanders have an enormous say in this. “They have got a right to decide on their own future and that will be part of it.”
Jan 22nd, 2016 - 12:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I do not understand how that can only be “part of it”. Part of what ? Once their right to decide on their own future is conceded, there is nothing else to talk about.
132 Pontefractious
Jan 22nd, 2016 - 04:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You're absolutely correct, it makes no difference what Argentina or the UK want, they are both bound by the constraints of international law. Since it is absolutely clear that under the UN Charter the Islanders have a right to self-determination. It is why the UN Charter was created, so that previous alleged grievances would not be able to override the Charter.
I always giggle when people say countries are bound by “international law”.
Jan 22nd, 2016 - 04:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There is no such thing because there's no punishment for breaking it.
...break it and the rest of the world will thrash you with sanctions....
Jan 22nd, 2016 - 05:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Until enough time has elapsed or it's in their better interest to remove them...
Russia springs to mind...
...and everyone keeps reminding us...UN resolutions are non binding...
...more of a guideline...
a principle...
an aspiration...
Its worked so well in North Korea...
Jan 22nd, 2016 - 06:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Unless the USA “enforces” their will the rest of the world just cries and wrings their hands.
That's why the world is in such a state of dissary. Odumbo has been unwilling to step up.
At least the countdown has begun...
@135 Of course, that is only one of the many reasons why Argenzuela is so convincingly trashed. I mean, thrashed. As well they should be.
Jan 22nd, 2016 - 06:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@134 Yankeeboy I agree with you - international law in this context really has no meaning. What I was trying to point out was the ludicrousness of Corbyn's remark. Not to be celebrated as one of the great thinkers.
Jan 22nd, 2016 - 08:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am pretty convinced all Liberals/Progs (whatever you want to call them) are brain damaged.
Jan 22nd, 2016 - 08:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0134 yankeeboy
Jan 22nd, 2016 - 10:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You should ask the many countries that have broken international law and had to suffer the consequences of economic sanctions. Like Iran, South Africa or Rhodesia as they didn't giggle for long, and were forced to comply. So much for your claim of “There is no such thing because there's no punishment for breaking it.” Doesn't seem to be holding up to well.
How long is not long to you decades?
Jan 22nd, 2016 - 10:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0idiot.
141 yankeeboy Hmm! Those three countries I mentioned did conform, so I've just proved you wrong. So who's the idiot, my guess is the giggler.
Jan 23rd, 2016 - 12:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0If you think it was the world sanctions that changed their mind your dumber than I thought.
Jan 23rd, 2016 - 01:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0Some of those countries were under sanction for over a generation.
What a goofball.
Breaking news...Russia has given Crimea back to Ukraine...
Jan 23rd, 2016 - 01:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0The sanctions were too much for them....
...Not
http://en.mercopress.com/2016/01/18/labor-leader-calls-for-accommodation-on-the-falklands-issue-with-argentina#comment427711: Germany sank those US ships that traded with the Entente powers. The UK threatened to sink those US ships that traded with the Central Powers. Both sides threatened US shipping. Germany's offer to Mexico was not realistic as Pres. Wilson realized when he asked Congress for a declaration of war.
Jan 23rd, 2016 - 01:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0Had the US isolated both the Entente and Central powers those countries would have destroyed each other. The US would have achieved dominance without the need of a large army or the loss of American lives. In any case the US army was certainly powerful enough to have defeated the British.
The US did not dismantle its navy. What it did do was to summon the UK and several other European powers, and Japan, to Washington and imposed the so called “5:5:3” limits on the British and Japanese.
The US was not allied with the British before WWII. By late 1940 and early 1941 the British were finished so invasion would have consisted of little more than announcing the time of the landings and what the US required of the new British constitution.
In 1942 the only legitimate war aim of the British was to deliver the US army to downtown Berlin no later than the summer of 1944 and with minimal US casualties - preferably none. The British failed this war aim. Instead they wasted US lives and resources in side shows with the objective of saving their empire. The US should have used the British to attack the Germans repeatedly until it was safe to land the US army in France. This is efficient use of the British forces.
The US has always traded with Europe. It is not necessary for the US to be a member of NATO for this trade to continue. But Europe is a zone of low growth, a zone of stagnation. It is not where the main game is. The US has historically recognized that the future lies in Asia.
“The US has historically recognized that the future lies in Asia.”
Jan 23rd, 2016 - 02:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0...only about 200 years after the UK...
Why do you think they let the colonies go...
More trouble than they were worth and had acquired richer pickings in the East
...don't you know history at all...?
@140 Terence Hill, I am interested in knowing what exactly you think constitutes “International Law”. The problem is that every country is by definition sovereign. No country can do wrong legally speaking because no country will agree to subordinate itself to a higher authority. Even the situation in Europe where individual nations agree to submit themselves to the European Courts where European law is concerned still only involves European Law. The sovereignty has been shifted from the country level to the European level. There is a European parliament which is fully representative and has been established to act as a legislature. There is no such sovereign body at the international level. Thus there can be no such thing as an international law. We refer loosely to international law where procedures governing trade are concerned and we talk loosely about sanction busting as “illegal”. What we are actually talking about is a web of international agreements, conventions, treaties and UN resolutions. Not all nations are parties to these arrangments so they are not universally enforceable, and if they are not then they are not bodies of law. We even try people for war crimes at the Hague, but the mere fact that the USA does not recognize the Hague law court jurisdiction blows a hole in any concept that the provisions that the Hague is trying to enforce are legal in nature.
Jan 23rd, 2016 - 05:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0This is not to say that these conventions etc do not serve a useful purpose. And even sovereignty is of limited use if a neighboring country invades and steals a piece of your territory. But international law is really only a useful concept when it is universally accepted, there is an appropriate body is established to maintain it and adequate means of enforcing it.
@145 Hepatia,
Jan 23rd, 2016 - 09:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0By God you write some rubbish.
But its what l expect from an embittered Argentine, still smarting from their defeat in 1982 & pretending to be an American.
You want us to rise to your bait & start slagging the USA.
Won't wash dear lady(actually l think that Hepatia is several RG posters, most of them men).
You stupid malvinistas tried to drive a wedge between the UK & the Falklands with your crocodile tears about “the poor British Taxpayer” & now you, yourself, Hep are trying to get us Brits to rouse on the Yanks.
You are just sooooooooooooo transparent, dahling.
Your facts are mostly wrong anyway, as a bit of research will show.
ln the years up to 1917 the US Army was relatively small & had little combat experience.
Oh sure, some skirmishes with Mexico & putting down revolts in the Philippines & China but nothing like the battle hardened troops on the Western Front had to face.
ln fact when the Americans first got to France, ALL their Artillery was provided by Britain & the US Infantry was often sent out with seasoned British or Australian troops to get experience.
Of course they soon proved themselves to be as good asa anyone else but it took time.
So that makes a mockery of your ridiculous assertion that the US Army “was certainly powerful enough to defeat the British”& shows what an ignorant hate-blinded person you are.
Do a bit more research, hep girl, especially about Argentina's ridiculous lies about the Falklands.
Don't like it?
Suck it up, baby.
Hepatitis is a nasty disease, it obviously affects the mind producing delusions. Needs to study real history instead of spouting tripe.
Jan 23rd, 2016 - 11:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0Forgot to add that the US also used British & French aircraft in 1917-1918.
Jan 23rd, 2016 - 12:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just as a matter of interest, Hepatia, what did Argentina have as regards airpower?
Did you even have any aircraft?
147. I am pretty sure Terry has Aspergers. He's also will claim to be right no matter how wrong he is and after you pointed it out for 30+ posts.
Jan 23rd, 2016 - 12:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Our “pivot” to Asia is to counter China's military aspirations. We will arm Japan with Nukes, let oue allies buy as much military equip as they want, the new stuff and open more bases there.
We will box in the Chinese
I think the Chinese economy will go bust soon and bring its gov't right along with it. Who knows what it will look like in a decade. It may end up having a weak Federal Alliance with the Provinces ruled by strongmen.
Maybe Russia/India will give them some grief too.
Really YB? On my many visits to America I noticed that everything is made in China. Surely America will collapse without China?
Jan 23rd, 2016 - 01:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Apparently Trump is now unstoppable, glee in the Clinton Camp…
152. Collapse without China? I am sure we can ramp up Tshirt and ballpoint pen lines pretty quickly.
Jan 23rd, 2016 - 01:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We don't need them nearly as much as they need the USA.
Plus US mfgs have been moving production out of China and into Mexico for quite awhile.
In a few years we will not have to do much if any business outside of North America.
Just watch most people don't understand the massive changes were going through right now.
I'd be very worried if I was in the EU.
Hillary is more worried about going to jail and if she loses SC her campaign is done just like in 2008.
Trump isn't even the nominee I am not sure why you worry so much.
It very well may be a Cruz/Rubio ticket.
91 - really? Just 0.5 of 1% of the entire GB defense budget.
Jan 23rd, 2016 - 02:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well gee come to think of it that is peanuts.
Not like you could buy a few bridges, extend a train line, or build a hospital ward or three with such a tiny amount.
Ah but who needs such silly trinkets.
@154 Look at it this way:
Jan 23rd, 2016 - 03:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Chile spends over US$5 billion (or 5000 millions if you prefer) on its military to ensure that Argentina keep its filthy, conniving, expansionist claws off. The amount the UK spends on keeping Argentina's filthy, conniving, expansionist claws off the islands is tiny in comparison. Perhaps the day will come again when the UK and Chile will sense the need to jointly and decisively assure that Argentina keep its filthy, conniving, expansionist claws away from places where they don't belong.
Both US and UK company's have been moving manufacturing out of China recently.
Jan 23rd, 2016 - 03:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The JSDF Navy are deploying SM-3 exo atmospheric missiles a US design.
US armerments manufacturers are the largest in the world.China can not hope to compete.
156. We will just arm all of our allies and box them in.
Jan 23rd, 2016 - 03:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There's little they can do about it.
Odumbo should have done it sooner though...
par for the course
his indecision/waffling is killing lots of people all over the world
Vestige, we just spent a few days in London. The place is on a roll, it must be the biggest building boom ever. Billions are being spent £s not $. Britain supports St Helena, Ascension, Tristan de Cuna, and other small island communities. It cost peanuts and makes great training grounds for our armed forces. These places are also great listening posts and support bases for Antarctica and our other Islands. There is no way we will give it up so you will just have to grumble away. Argentina has missed out for the last 15 years and you now have a government that intends to do something about that by consigning pariah status to the dustbin. Do try to keep up.
Jan 23rd, 2016 - 04:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@155
Jan 23rd, 2016 - 05:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Marti, that very same concept would apply to a whole range of nations but Argentina nowadays, wouldn't it?
We can barely control what is going on in most of the country's conurbations but you still do think that we want to get our filthy claws over Chile. What are you on lad?
@159 There is certainly considerable recent history of those hostile pretensions to validate Chile's posture, as well as similar Argentine hostility and overt aggression towards the territories of other nearby nations. And those others would be foolish to forget such recent history.
Jan 23rd, 2016 - 06:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@160 Marti, you are going way back to those times in'78 when a bunch of drunken coward generals said they would be by the Pacific shore in 3 days. Have you been to Argentina -or talked to someone from here- recently?
Jan 23rd, 2016 - 06:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0145@
Jan 23rd, 2016 - 08:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0what has all that got to do with the Falkland's,
you are just trying to move the posts.
ya lost, get over it.
@162
Jan 23rd, 2016 - 08:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Briton, there is no sustainable claim from Argentina over the Falklands. Any sentient being would recognise that from miles away. The Malvinas/Falkland dispute should be just seen as a jerk off relic of past times disputes. On one hand you get the remains of the British empire, on the other hand the remains of the Spanish Armada -which by the years we in Rg-land have succumbed to think of as our own claim.
The truth of the matter is that no thinking Falklander in its own mind would like to be part of Argentina. Any other arguments are of no bloody relevance.
Good
Jan 23rd, 2016 - 08:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0, try telling Hepatia
the man/woman is obsessed with this 25 years and the Falkland's.
he needs to be taken back to the asylum, pronto..
The Asylum is too good for Hepatia, Briton.
Jan 23rd, 2016 - 09:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We may mock her/him/it/them but don't underestimate its hatred of us.
lts far more dangerous than idiots like Marcos, Vestige etc.
We can only hope that its brain explodes or it comes to some other type of sticky end.
155 - speaking of “filthy, conniving, expansionist claws” I see that Mr Corbyn has proposed an understanding of a nature inspired by what was ...in the end*... negotiated by GB in the north of Ireland after a great many wasted and costly years of authoritarian approach.
Jan 24th, 2016 - 12:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/argentina/12117755/Jeremy-Corbyn-wants-a-Northern-Ireland-style-power-sharing-deal-for-the-Falklands.html
*for want of a better word.
@166 Mr Corbyn has a lot of silly and embarrassing ideas, which makes him the ideal representative for Labour, since they have long been in need of a laughingstock that could successfully compete in absurdity and foolishness with La Kretina.
Jan 24th, 2016 - 12:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0We can only hope that its brain explodes
Jan 24th, 2016 - 12:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0sooner the better.
168 - I am disappoint.
Jan 24th, 2016 - 01:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0These people probably are also: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/23/doubts-raised-over-uk-government-refusal-to-allow-islanders-to-return-to-chagos
Booooo.
Sí, claro que sos un disappoint.
Jan 24th, 2016 - 03:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0Vestige, Corbyn is a gift from heaven - for the Conservatives, the British Government for at least the next 10 years. Of course the UK has some morons with the same views as Corbyn, they are a tiny irrelavent minoriity with no influence. The vast majority of the British public, members of our armed forces and the press all support the Falkland Islanders self determination. You can whinge away as much as you like, things will not change.
Jan 24th, 2016 - 09:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0As for the Chagos Islanders, at least they werent murdered like the Indian population of what is now referred to as Argentina. You should concentrate your efforts on getting justice and self determination for them.
@171 Good point. And speaking of islands, the Argentines managed to exterminate the entire population of Selk'nam Indians when they colonised Tierra del Fuego. No doubt other islanders at the same latitude have paid attention .
Jan 24th, 2016 - 10:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0Looks like Corbyn is getting his due in the UK for being the silly donkey
“New revolt against Jeremy Corbyn after Labour leader's controversial calls for talks with Argentina”
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3413980/New-revolt-against-Jeremy-Corbyn-Labour-leader-s-controversial-calls-talks-Argentina.html
And Corbyn being appropriately ridiculed for being, well, Corbyn
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3413980/New-revolt-against-Jeremy-Corbyn-Labour-leader-s-controversial-calls-talks-Argentina.html
All this speech of murdered Indians and ridicule brings the words of Gandhi to mind.
Jan 24th, 2016 - 12:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Seems like Mr Corbyn has moved past the ignoring phase, and is making progress through the laughter and rotten cabbage throwing simpletons phase.
Its looking like theres going to be a fight. Surely he cant win. What are the odds.
They said.
Vestige - and… you are now an expert on UK politics. Macri is apparently gaining support according to Argentina's press leaving you halfwits in the minority. We need Corbyn here, halfwits support him marginalising him, thats democracy. As for Ghandi, come to London and note his statue here, someone we admire. Your Indian populstion could do with a similar icon to inspire them to recover their lands from you latino invaders on a mega scale. Its happened in our ex colonies, the British no longer run or inhabit them. Its going to happen where you live too, sooner than you think.
Jan 24th, 2016 - 12:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@173 “Seems like Mr Corbyn has moved past the ignoring phase, and is making progress”
Jan 24th, 2016 - 01:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Quite the opposite. Significant members of his party are recognising that he is bad news, and increasingly so, and have started something of a revolt to control the damage he is causing to that party. With Cobyn's increasing evidence of incompetence he must surely be, as Alicia la Azafata indicated, an Argentine.
In the news:
Jeremy Corbyn is facing an open revolt by nine members of his shadow cabinet including Tom Watson, the party's deputy leader, after taking two days to finalise a reshuffle of his front-bench team.
The reshuffle, described as “the longest in living memory”, left shadow ministers furious as they accused their leader of “indecision and incompetence”.
Cant make an omelette without breaking some eggs I suppose.
Jan 24th, 2016 - 01:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Some folks can get a bit cranky when woken. Especially if it offers them some spotlight time with national anthem background music.
Im just happy to see the people in various comment sections question why exactly mere mention of Argentina and the falklands sets them off smashing small household items.
Even if they reach an opinion I disagree with.
For this Corbyn is a godsend.
Corbyn is a godsend - for the Tories!
Jan 24th, 2016 - 02:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@176 I find it amusing that you agree with the effect that Corbyn has in renewing and amplifying the smouldering but much warranted distrust and hatred of Argentina that resides immutably in every thoughtful and right-minded citizen.
Jan 24th, 2016 - 03:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Does anyone know, and I'm too lazy to research it myself, is this Falklands “territorial” claim the longest running one in history?
Jan 24th, 2016 - 03:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Rgs never seem to be satified with what they have.
They can't even manage the rich productive huge landmass they control.
Right now fruit growers are throwing produce in the streets protesting because they can't get paid enough to sell it.
Very stupid people.
Read this in the DT Today,
Jan 24th, 2016 - 08:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Any comments from our experts.
SIR – I cannot see how British security would be protected if the independence of the Armed Forces were to be sacrificed to make way for a European army under the control of a Brussels-based European government.
This course of action also risks Britain having to say goodbye to Gibraltar and the Falklands. Where would our EU partners’ loyalties lie in these matters?
Will the Eu demand they stay or go???
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@179
Jan 25th, 2016 - 12:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well, I say tomatoes, you say tomatoes.
It's not like this is the only place in the world where this kind of things happen. Are you aware of the tons of healthy produce that are wasted in the industrialised countries because “it don't look perfect for the shelves”?
BTW, yes, you are right, we are stupid. I'll give you that.
Even the Labour MPs who nominated Corbyn for the leadership - albeit in the hope of widening the debate in the Labour Party - have recognised what a fool he is:
Jan 25th, 2016 - 09:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jan/24/labour-risks-another-election-walloping-frank-field-says
This is the problem with the Regressive Left: in seeking to lay the blame for all the world's problems at the feet of the UK or US, they acquire some strange bedfellows. This ends up in the ludicrous situation where fools like Corbyn and Suemas Milne support not only colonialism (as with Argentina / Spain re: Falklands / Gibraltar), but also Putin's Russian expansionism (Ukraine: west's fault), and ISIS (all the fault of the US).
They support the concept of 'safe space' whereby any discussion of, say, the pros and cons of Islam is off-limits in case we 'disrepsect their culture'. As a result, they support the denial of rights to women in an even more insidious way than they support the denial of rights to the people of the Falklands or Gibraltar.
Thankfully, the people of the UK can see their perverse 'morality' for the idiocy it is.
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