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Malvinas: when Argentina is strong and united, world public opinion will back us
The meeting of the Argentine president with the British prime minister in Davos was “a good thing” a symptom that we are back on the right political track, which has been applied before: to continue claiming sovereignty over the Malvinas Islands, without having to spoil good relations, investments, trade, and with time and circumstances even consider joint undertakings. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rules“when Argentina is strong and united”...
Jan 26th, 2016 - 09:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0so that's never then !
Malvinas: 'when Argentina is strong and united, world public opinion will back us'
Jan 26th, 2016 - 09:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0But when the truth is known the opposite will be true:https://www.academia.edu/17799157/Falklands_-_Some_Relevant_International_Law
Everyone will be laughing...
Let me guess, “Jam tomorrow”?
Jan 26th, 2016 - 09:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0In other words, the classic “the islands will be recovered by year x”, where x is the current year plus 20, and conditional on a load of improbable things happening.
“Malvinas: when Argentina is strong and united, world public opinion will back us”
Jan 26th, 2016 - 09:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0World opinion doesnt give a toss and never will. If its important Argies, give back Argentina to the natives you stole it from
But… the British public think Argentines are all aggressive lying bullies? They also think Argentines are slippery cheats and thieves who are also serial liars. Sending in 11,000 thugs onto a British owned peaceful island and killing British troops who were sent to liberate it is well remembered here.
Jan 26th, 2016 - 10:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0If you want to persuade the Islanders that they would be better off under the Argentine yoke is a non starter. They have the full support of most of the British public too.
Ha ha ha ha ha, “recover malvinas”?
Jan 26th, 2016 - 10:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0Go right ahead & recover it, where ever & whatever it is.
Oh you meant the Falkland lslands, did you?
Oh what a pity,
You're wrong on both counts.
1) they are NOT called the malvinas, they are the Falkland lslands.
2) they have NEVER been yours, so it is impossible to “recover” them.
Dream on.
“we are a country in a serious and too-long decadence”(ONGOING?)
Jan 26th, 2016 - 11:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0IS HE OUT OF HIS TINY MIND?
I think this fool fails to understand the hatred the UK people have for Argentine politics.
Jan 26th, 2016 - 11:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0Not the people but the halfwits that have destroyed the place since the 1930's.
Dream on!
I have some bad news for Andres Cisneros - the matter is already settled.
Jan 26th, 2016 - 11:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0https://falklandstimeline.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/the-bottom-line.pdf
Okay: Why isn't Argentina “Strong and United”? Explain that first.
Jan 26th, 2016 - 11:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0Become some other than a corrupt untrustworthy joke on the world stage and you might have a chance at a deal on the falklands.
Jan 26th, 2016 - 12:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But pull off that miracle and an windswept island 300 miles away wont be of much intrest.
“Malvinas: when Argentina is strong and united, world public opinion will back us”
Jan 26th, 2016 - 12:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0On the contrary.
When your lies, general statements with no attempt whatsoever to citing proper references and evidence for your case, are exposed by the FIG, the world will realise they have been conned by the Argentine claim which is based on bogus history that did not happen, bogus so called international law that is invalid, and misquoting of treaties between Britain and Spain, that cherry pick parts of those treaties whilst ignoring other parts that go against their claim.
I mean how desperate is it to suggest that Papal Bulls made any difference to which European countries could colonise what?
The pope was NEVER anything to do with South America. (A big clue, Rome is in Europe), so Papal colonialism cannot override other European colonialism as if it was some weird Latino right to claim South America, but not an option for other European countries.
No legal case at all-the Bulls are 100% legally irrelevant if you don't accept them!
When someone produces a definitive documentary, based on cited facts from documents (including those within Argentina), about 1833, and the exposure of the myths Argentina spreads about what the UN have (and haven't said ) about the Falkland Islanders, Argentina's case will sink, worldwide like the Belgrano.
Torpedo 1=UN charter and ICJ declarations on self determination=BOOM!
Torpedo 2=A true representation of 1820-1833, in context=BOOM!
Torpedo 3=The C24's mandate on decolonisation and oddly enough the COMPLETE reading of res2065! =Independence-with regard to the UN charter-Interests of population=BOOM!
Glug glug.
Otherwise, there would be a submission to the ICJ.
Snr Cisneros, try this:
Convince the Islanders over the long period you advocate, that being Argentine is a good idea, by offering them something BETTER than what they've got at the moment.
It's called an incentive.
Knee jerk reactions to this kind of stuff are frankly a waste of energy. The man is an ex-. He has no substantive authority, so the only reason he gets attention is because he is a used to be. And the only useful question we need to ask is, if we assume as I have in the past that Macri right now wants to de-escalate the whole Falkland Islands thing in order to concentrate on the really urgent issues he has to deal with, does this kind of rubbish help or harm him. I think that with its overall kick the can down the road tenor it actually helps. The RGs need to be weaned gently off the subject. First you say it isn't going to happen for a long time and give your reasons. The next step, some time later when some of the fervor has abated and when people are more focused on what is going on inside the country, is to say it may not happen at all, and give the reasons why that's OK. The third step, later still, will be to concede that it isn't going to happen at all, and then just concentrate on the things that really matter. Cisneros's statement actually helps with stage one, even if his longer term conclusions are misguided.
Jan 26th, 2016 - 01:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Having advised against knee-jerkism, I do have to observe that his statement that “a triumphant interview will take place in many years to come, when we are again a country so important that Britain can't continue to ignore us. And then they will have to grant us more than fifteen minutes.” is disingenuous. Frankly given the history of overt hostility that has been coming out of Buenos Airies in recent years I would say that 15 minutes was erring on the side of generosity.
I've said it before, the Falklanders need a PR firm or Lobbyist because they are losing the media war.
Jan 26th, 2016 - 01:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yeah it's all well and good to be right but when you have a whole group of people constantly lying in public and getting coverage you are losing the battle if you are not out there first talking about and promoting your side of the story.
The Falklanders seem to be always playing defense.
They better wise up
Cisneros is a little old to be liking the paco.
Jan 26th, 2016 - 02:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Kelpers have nothing to fear from the rottingroadkillians other than bleeding from ears due to the incessant onslaught of rhetoric.
On the other hand: Best keep an eye on the socialist/commie pondscum back home - they'll sell you out in a second as they grow ever closer ideologically to a wholly unified Europe. Incredibly enough they want what was previously denied to Hitler. Merkel dominates Europe economically and politically and consolidates her influence without ever busting a cap. Winston must be spinning in his grave.
@11. “a ”deal“ on the falklands”? Are you short on intelligence? There will be no “deal” on the Falkland Islands. It's that sort of stupidity that ensures that Corbyn and the Labour party have no chance of being in power in the UK. Although I suppose it's possible for the 24 hours before the RPGs start. If for no other reason than 255 deceased British servicemen, for whom argieland has never even had the shame to apologise.
Jan 26th, 2016 - 02:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argies think there is something in their character that somehow entitles them to what they call “Malvinas”. The British people have considerably more character. Little difference from what Britain did 1939-45. In 1982, Britain sent its forces, Army, Royal Air Force, Royal Marines, Royal Navy, to recover territory from thieves. Thieves that lied before, during and since. If argieland had any respect for international law, something that it constantly quotes, it would know that 1982 ended the matter.
The British people don't really mind argies whingeing if it makes them happy. But they shouldn't try to do anything more. Imagine what might happen if we got annoyed.
that we are back on the right political track
Jan 26th, 2016 - 02:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and all because corbyn says so.
another good reason Argentina should be prevented from regaining its military aggression perhaps.
Cisneros, another whining Spaniard. Is there a Mapuche liberation campaign that I can make a donation to?
Jan 26th, 2016 - 02:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@14
Jan 26th, 2016 - 03:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We in the UK work differently to you in the States, I think a lot of action is done covertly as apposed to shouting from the rooftops. Diplomacy, you don't want to show all your cards. Anyway no doubt in 30 years or so when and if Argentina can get its act together maybe there will be some sort of accommodation but I hasten to add, soveriengnty is off limits.
Not a word about the islanders, not a word or did I miss it somewhere? Argentina...and for that matter even the UK...will not arbitrate nada without their say so. Argentina on the right track...going in the opposite way more like!
Jan 26th, 2016 - 04:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do we need to have agreements in matters that are only the interests of the islanders ?
Jan 26th, 2016 - 04:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What benefit obtained Spain to open their borders and reach agreements with Gibraltar? It is shown that the policy of “ seduction ” is not working. If we have many “ issues of mutual interest” with UK , but absolutely we do not have “ issues of mutual interest” with the islanders ..
19. If you got the USA to come out and say the Falklanders rights to self-determination are not open to discussion you'd never hear from Argentina again.
Jan 26th, 2016 - 05:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina is no friend to the USA.
Never has been never will be
That's why I say get the US Pols informed on the “conflict” and your plight is secured.
Right now Argentina is willing the media war
You've already lost when you have to defend your right to exist on your property.
Quiet diplomacy if they're even doing it isn't working, hasn't work and won't ever work.
They also need to to wait for hell to freeze over.
Jan 26th, 2016 - 06:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@22. Why don't you contact your Congressman or Senator? Too scared of your local hispanics?
Jan 26th, 2016 - 07:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So Argentina wants to have “talks” on the Falklands? I think there have already been “talks.” And the British side replied very eloquently during the final exchanges. With 105mm howitzers.
Jan 26th, 2016 - 07:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Regional trade is a higher priority for Cameron and we expect the islands to be handed back in 2017.
Jan 26th, 2016 - 07:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“It’s a historic move for us, one that will strengthen trade in the region and bring stability to global markets, from a personal point of view it will also make international meetings a little less tenuous.” David Cameron Davos January 2016.
Bahahahaha. Cretin!
Jan 26th, 2016 - 08:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This guy is horribly naive if he thinks the umbrella policy will be fruitful. If it didn't work for Spain, it won't work for us. Trading with a country with which we have irreconcilable differences is a very bad idea, specially if it is a country that dominates others through trade. We only need the UK for loans, once these loans are approved, and government spending is under controlled, we will no longer need them so we should keep trade at a minimum and cut all ties with them.
Jan 26th, 2016 - 08:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In the short term we need stronger nationalism, particularly among the middle and upper classes, to ensure that those that act against the interests of our nation are jailed and to ensure we work to make our country stronger, and to rearm our country so it can be defended properly.
Our long term objective needs to be to make our country a military and economic power that threathens the West and support countries that might align with our interests. And of course, we will need powerful allies that align with our interests, without becoming their pets. We should be freed from the subjugation that the USA and the UK have imposed on us, not just change the country that we are subjugated under.
28 Our sepoys are working hard to ensure that you don't succeed.
Jan 26th, 2016 - 08:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Chuckle chuckle
If you feed feathers to pigs they will be able to fly; there is also “Hansel and Gretel” and “Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs”.
Jan 26th, 2016 - 08:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0All very reliable stuff, which Argentina should use to convince the world.
Argentina would in all honesty be gutted wrapped and buried long before then...
Jan 26th, 2016 - 08:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@28
Jan 26th, 2016 - 08:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“and to rearm our country so it can be defended properly.”
You need to -it'll be 50 years, at least till you could threaten the UK.
In 1982 you had Mirage interceptors.
In 2016 you are arming Tucano trainers with machine guns to protect your borders, that's an aircraft that will soon be replaced in the RAF which uses it as a ..... basic trainer.
In 1982 after a runway was established at Stanley (that predates MPA), we had Phantoms and Harriers.
In 2016 we have Typhoons.
Go figure how far you have to go to threaten us over Islands that you have no solid claim over, your government even had to lie about history to get resolution 2065 passed.
“Our long term objective needs to be to make our country a military and economic power that threathens the West and support countries that might align with our interests”
You have along way to go.
As you pride yourself as being in the Americas do you think it will get the USA on your side if you court the military help from countries even further from you than the UK are ?
“we will need powerful allies that align with our interests, without becoming their pets”
That hasn't worked with China has it-they will soon control Argentina and its resources.
What happened to the jet fighters China was supposed to supply?
What happened to the military help Venezuela promised?
What happened to the aircraft the Russians were supposed to supply?
You couldn't even keep the Falklands in 1982 when you had ALL the military advantages and substantial armed forces.
Even if MPA is taken out, the UK can still destroy your airfields and ensure any attempt to invade the Falklands will be far more costly to you than in 1982.
You assume that the UK defences will stand still over the next 50years it will take for yours to catch up.
Do you seriously think that the USA will stand by and allow Russia and China to gain influence in the Americas?
Dream on amigo.
But Andres Cisneros is absolutely right.
Jan 26th, 2016 - 08:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He said “The Malvinas solution will take many years, when we are again strong to the world's eyes and united at home.”
Precisely!
Give it four or five milennia and there will be some sort of solution.
HA Ha ha ha ha,
Jan 26th, 2016 - 09:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0in many years to come, when we are again a country so important that Britain can't continue to ignore us.
ha ha ha ,
this has to be the first biggest joke of 2016,
ha ha ,
ya couldn't make it up, but you can laugh it up...
@32 So you expect us to give up, bend over and accept our inferiority? Dream on.
Jan 26th, 2016 - 09:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And no, I don't expect the USA to be on our side. They have always been our enemy.
l happen to agree with chronic @ post #15.
Jan 26th, 2016 - 09:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0lf there will be any cracks in our front, they will be caused by the loony left, i.e. the like of J.Corbyn.
They are the only group who will have the power to sell us down the river.
What motivates this type of person?
Do they hate their own country?
Do they hate their selves?
Maybe they need putting out of their misery?
l say this as a civic duty, of course.
@28 Please explain what subjugation the UK has imposed on Argentina? If you think we have witheld loans would you lend to someone known as a serial defaulter. And, the UK has done over $2 billion of trade with Argentina in the last year. All this despite your intimidation and blockade of the Falkland Islands? What more do you want? As for loans from tbe City of London, dream on…
Jan 26th, 2016 - 10:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This guy and his ilk disgust me.
Jan 26th, 2016 - 11:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Their tactic of stoking up anti-UK/anglosphere bigotry to aid their attempt at a land grab might be a huge indicator to everyone that they do not have a legal or moral leg to stand on, but it is also potentially making the world a far more dangerous place.
Scum
The UK will return the Malvinas within the next 25 years.
Jan 26th, 2016 - 11:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 039. You should just say tomorrow it mean exactly the same in this context.
Jan 26th, 2016 - 11:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You're boring.
@39
Jan 27th, 2016 - 12:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0Islamic State will use the Falklands to launch an invasion of Latin America within the next 25 years.
@39 “The UK will return the Malvinas within the next 25 years.”
Jan 27th, 2016 - 01:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0Poor, poor hepathetic.
The UK doesn't have any such place as “Malvinas.” Were you thinking of Maltby, perhaps, in South Yorkshire ? Or Merseyside? Malvern ? Ah, that's it, you're a bit confused but there is a Malvern. But it's staying where it is, sorry, no one is giving it to anyone, certainly not to a horde of corrupt sandalista greaseball hooligans sucking on their gourds and Fernet and screaming ¡divino! every few syllables.
You must surely have the wrong address. And what are you doing out here with no adult supervision? Does your mother know you are playing on the computer?
What are “Malvinas”?
Jan 27th, 2016 - 03:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0And, how many are there...?
Mr. Troy Tempest, “Stingray” captain.
Jan 27th, 2016 - 04:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0Malvinas Islands are in Southern Argentina.
What is “Marineville”?
And, how many are there...?
@44 Marquitos Alejandrito
Jan 27th, 2016 - 06:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0You are a pathetic juvenile who should stay away from “grown up” debates!
36# Isolde
Jan 27th, 2016 - 06:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0“What motivates this type of person?
Do they hate their own country?
Do they hate their selves?
Maybe they need putting out of their misery?”
All of the above!
Canucks have made a decided left - wrong - turn in their political leanings as well. Don't even expect any cheerleading help from them.
Jan 27th, 2016 - 06:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0@47 chronic - the 'fake yank' Troll
Jan 27th, 2016 - 07:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0I see you are doing what you can to be divisive.
Tell us about Trout Run, “voice”
Canuck freebooters/pikers/beggars and uninvited guests - prattle on.
Jan 27th, 2016 - 09:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0You/yours are irrelevant - except to yourselves.
Fakes are irrelavant. Timeline say it all.
Jan 27th, 2016 - 09:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0@49 fake yank
Jan 27th, 2016 - 12:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0forget it - you can't peddle your bs here
@39 hepatica will recover her liver functions in 25 years?
Jan 27th, 2016 - 03:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@50 Capt Silver
Jan 27th, 2016 - 03:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are correct - the fake yank “chronic” puppet is operating on UK time consistently.
Argentines resorting to lying to promote their way as usual.
Jan 27th, 2016 - 04:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Britain & FI will have to educate to counter argie lies.
#14 Maybe time to get PR involved. Get the truth out there.
+Counter traitor Corbyn's lies.
Canucks get it all wrong, every time.
Jan 27th, 2016 - 05:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0At least they're consistent.
@35
Jan 27th, 2016 - 05:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“So you expect us to give up, bend over and accept our inferiority”
Why don't you try to achieve superiority for a change? If you can prove a valid case for claiming the Falklands, GROW A PAIR and go to the ICJ.
NOT going to the ICJ, IS bending over and taking it!
Your method will also lead to you having a Scragg Paddock Point shoved up your River Plate for the next few millennia.
Your method.
1/-Wait for Argentina to become a prosperous country.
2/-Buy some decent defence equipment.
3/- Succeed in maintaining the equipment properly.
4/-Train your armed forces to a standard that can take on the UK.
5/-In the time this takes, completely ignore the advances that will be made on the defending side.
6/-Attack the Falklands.
7/-See your airforce annihilated.
8/-See your Navy create permanent habitats for sealife.
9/-Kiss goodbye to your 5 nearest airfields to the Falklands.
10/-Continue to bend over for the next 50 years.
Have you ever heard the time honoured saying of the Brits?
There's easier ways to kill a rat than by sucking it' s brains out through its arse?
Try this if you want to be superior.
Make Argentina such a great country that the Islanders would actually have a good reason to be Argentine-I mean there's only 3000 of them to convince!
Of course according to your plan, you'll have a bad back for a long time amigo.
Troy, fakes abound here, especially fake Yanks, Scots and Chew Butt residents. All seem to hate English and Cannucks, I believe tbey are all Argie trolls in drag.
Jan 27th, 2016 - 05:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FEW5mh7iAI
Jan 27th, 2016 - 06:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FEW5mh7iAI
Its funny because its true.
Todays Prime Ministers questions was much better than that!
Jan 27th, 2016 - 07:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I love Homer especially the episode when he got thrown out of the “all you can eat” restaurant. I suppose that explains why Americans are generally so fat.
I've seen plenty of mobidly obese Brit.
Jan 27th, 2016 - 08:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's not just us.
The best Simpsons is when they go to Brazil.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aYMKTL6-Tw
The Brazilan Gov't actually sent a complaint letter to the US State over the episode.
This one too:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aYMKTL6-Tw
@56 “ NOT going to the ICJ, IS bending over and taking it!”
Jan 27th, 2016 - 09:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No, going to the ICJ and losing is bending over and taking it. We will go when we can win.
“Make Argentina such a great country that the Islanders would actually have a good reason to be Argentine-I mean there's only 3000 of them to convince!”
Sorry but that is impossible, not unless the UK is taken over by the Muslims, and I'm not counting on that. Even if we were a great country, the UK needs to be completely destroyed before the kelpers can be convinced.
Winning a war against the UK is the more realistic option. Why do you assume we would ignore your advances during the next 50 years?
Argentina uniting and world opinion siding with them. Ain't going to happen aaaaaaaand ain't going to happen.
Jan 27th, 2016 - 09:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@60 yankeeboy,
Jan 27th, 2016 - 09:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Homer Simpson in Brazil is actually quite funny.
Had a giggle or two.
@61 “Winning a war against the UK is the more realistic option.”
Jan 27th, 2016 - 10:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0ha ha ha.
Somebody got a little fermentation in the hierba, eh?
@61
Jan 27th, 2016 - 11:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Being prevented from stealing something that doesn't belong to you isn't “bending over and taking it”. In any event, it's highly unlikely anybody could stick anything up yours anyway, even if they wanted to, since your head is taking up all the space already.
Why doesn't rottingroadkill just buy the kelpers out?
Jan 27th, 2016 - 11:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They could then immigrate to canada.
Oh yes - rgs have no money and no credit and who outside of a thirdworlder would want to live with the canadites.
@61 wining a war against the UK!
Jan 28th, 2016 - 09:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0Start by designing Nuke powered submarines and build a fleet,then develop the sonar,torpedo and missiles.
Next develop a range of amphibious warfare vessels with landing craft ,weapons and defensive systems.
You will also need 2 carriers with an air group of 5th generation fighters.A fleet of air defence destroyers and frigates.
Now do the same for your army and airforce.
That's just to give you 2016 capability.Without experience!
Good luck .
If Argentina lived up to its potential a deal could possibly be done.
Jan 28th, 2016 - 10:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0But then a again if Argentina became a stable rich succesful country rather than a corrupt joke with a massive chip on its shoulders .
A windswept island 300 miles off shore wouldnt really be of any importance
68
Jan 28th, 2016 - 12:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“A windswept island 300 miles off shore wouldnt really be of any importance”
Do you think the Elgin Marbles is all about a few decent worktops...?
@61
Jan 28th, 2016 - 02:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“We will go when we can win.”
Why can't you win now?
If you go in 50 years time, that gives the Islanders 50 years more occupation making it LESS likely you will win.
If you have a serious claim, what's stopping you?
@61
“Sorry but that is impossible”
Why? Because its in the interests of the Islanders to remain British?
That sounds like your back is going to get bad!
“Winning a war against the UK is the more realistic option”
That's your realistic option?
Excuse me while I collapse with laughter.
*Wipes tears of laughter from eyes*
Again, (not to put you off), if you can seriously get some form of proficient armed forces out of the blue in 50 years time, have you considered your chances if the UK decides NOT to stick with it's current equipment?
In 50 years time we will have pilotless bombers, a hypersonic aircraft to transport our troops and I can only imagine what our subs will be like.
And you will have the 'Malvinas memorial flight' armed with Pucaras.
Good luck and remind me not to be on holiday in Patagonia when it kicks off!
As Santa Cruz will be returned to the Falkland Islands by then , I'll go there.
Suggestion to you-wheni t kicks off, go on holiday to the Falklands, at least you will stay alive when you wave your white flag.
I do admire your sense of humour.
@70 We have a lot of catching up to do, but it is better to do it than to bend over to you.
Jan 28th, 2016 - 02:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@70
Jan 28th, 2016 - 03:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As explained in a previous post how exactly are you going to catch up.
Bending over is unnecessary ,just stop the bull shit.
You could spend the money on military equipment,either design it or buy it.Unfortunatly you design capability is not up to the job.
As for buying you don't pay your bills.
Over to you and please explain how you are going to catch up.
@72 In the short term we just have to increase our pitiful budget for our armed forces, that should be enough for at least match the capabilities of our neighbors. That is the least that should be done just to defend our nation.
Jan 28th, 2016 - 03:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Then it will be a slow process, but we should work as hard as we can so we can grow our military capabilities over the next 50-100 years as our economy grows we recover our place in the world. Of course, to that our people need to care about the well-being of our nation.
@73
Jan 28th, 2016 - 05:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And how exactly are you going to make your people care, all they care about is fleecing each other, I was there in 1969 I doubt it has changed much since then.
@73 from a purely linguistic level of interest, I am wondering if the following expressions are understood in the argentensis dialect, wherein the context of the hyper-nationalistic stupor surrounding the Falklands is concerned:
Jan 28th, 2016 - 05:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 01. “ golpearse la cabeza contra la pared”
2. “ malgastar tiempo y esfuerzos en pensamientos quiméricos ”
3. “inculcar una cultura de victimismo ”
4. “la vana, quimérica, y quijotesca esperanza de tomar las islas”
5. “buscar convertir una vez más nuestra juventud en carne de cañón barata en causas perdidas ”
6. “porque en la Argentina no existe el pragmatismo hay que recordar que el fanaticismo y la arrogancia le ganan siempre al sentido común”
7. “golpearse la cabeza contra la pared”
8. “golpearse la cabeza contra la pared”
@73 can't argue with that for once,you don't really have any enemy's the forces on the Falklands are defensive.
Jan 28th, 2016 - 08:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your neighbours should not be that difficult .
@70 Pete Bog,
Jan 28th, 2016 - 08:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“We will go to the ICJ when we can win”
l had this type of reply from señor Think quite a while back.
His explanation was that Argentina would stack the court with its mates so that they could be assured of a decision in their favour.
He was open about it & didn't see anything wrong in this!
lt shows the mindset of the type of people that we are dealing with.
They always have to win & will do anything to make sure that they do win.
Lying, cheating, stealing is all acceptable just so long as they win.
They cannot stand to lose, so l imagine that their defeat in 1982 was a huge insult to the delicate little flowers.
Something they have never got over.
Well they've run into a brick wall this time.
Well, I have just been to Chile for 3 weeks and in that time I never met anyone that supported Argentinas claim for the Falkland Islands. They all seem to think Argentinians are a crooked waste of space that can't be trusted. They were mostly well educated mountaineers and outdoor types. From what I can gather support from Chilean politicians for Argentia is accompanied by crossed fingers behind backs. If it ever cones to court there will be no support from Chile who have great respect and affection for the British.
Jan 29th, 2016 - 11:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0@78 “ They all seem to think Argentinians are a crooked waste of space that can't be trusted”
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That is pretty much the universal perception, which has been recently expanded to neighbouring planets. Mistrust of Argentina is firmly rooted in not just their sordid history but in their continuing behaviour. I know one service provider in Chile who flatly refuses to work with any argento. But then, Argentines don't trust Argentines, either (such “interpersonal trust” is rated below even the abysmally low regional average).
Remember when the former Uruguayan president was quoted as saying that the Argentines are a gang of thieves, from the first to the last? He surprised no one.
Cisneros is smoking cheap rope if he thinks that such a façade of “public opinion” has any substantial utility. It's vacuous political talk, the cheapest and most false of any sort of pronouncement. We are reminded that such “politics” is the art of saying “nice doggy” until you can pick up a rock. And Chile has learned that it needs a bagful of sharp rocks to keep the argentos at bay. And they are not the only ones.
Yeah, there was some Argie climbers in our camp and they were trying to borrow stuff, the Chileans I was with wouldnt lend them anything and advised me not to. Then they got stuck and had to be rescued. Right load of idiots. And, they were awful with the women they reminded me of those little wooden statues that you pick up which gives the ladies a nasty surprise. Disgusting creatures.
Jan 29th, 2016 - 05:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@71
Jan 29th, 2016 - 07:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“ but it is better to do it than to bend over to you.”
This is your problem.
You cannot see that having good relations with the Islanders could result in a lot of trade and jobs for your people.
Can't you see that you would then get money off the Falklands? So you would be getting their oil and other money without having to develop the resources they have yourselves
That would be taking advantage of the Islands, not bending over to them because you would be getting something off them!
Now, you are getting nothing off them!
Only perhaps giving something for that money is not an Argentine trait.
Your plan?
We will not bend over to the UK and will at least wage a war against them as a final last hurrah.
So fine, when you attack the Brits, you will get a fireworks display in Patagonia that will beat any guy fawkes night.
Whatever unmanned bomber results from the Taranis will blast ALL your airbases to kingdom come.
Cruise missiles will take out any army bases.
Your naval ports will be full of more scrap metal than they are now.
Which you will not recover from for the following 50,60, 70 years, once that military infrastructure is flattened-so you will be bending over forever!
Your assumption that from a point now where you are being defended by Tucano and Pucara turboprop aircraft to one where you could have even the slightest chance of taking on the Brits is going to come, even within the next 50
years, is optimistic to say the least.
“Of course, to that our people need to care about the well-being of our nation.”
Now, this is what you should be concentrating on, your people. The Falkland islands are concentrating on their people, that's why Islanders get sent to better Universities than you can attend.
@77 @Isolde
“His explanation was that Argentina would stack the court with its mates so that they could be assured of a decision in their favour.”
No help when the Brits cite the history or the UN charter! But, yes, that's their logic!
@81 “You cannot see that having good relations with the Islanders could result in a lot of trade and jobs for your people.
Jan 29th, 2016 - 08:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Can't you see that you would then get money off the Falklands? So you would be getting their oil and other money without having to develop the resources they have yourselves.
That would be taking advantage of the Islands, not bending over to them because you would be getting something off them!
Now, you are getting nothing off them!”
You don't understand, do you? It's not about money, or land, or resources, it's about not bending over to other states who want to rule over us. It is important to take care of our people, but until we do not get payback, we will not have our dignity, and our worth as human beings, back. And dignity is the most important thing a human being has in life.
@82 Magnus,
Jan 29th, 2016 - 08:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You've got a persecution complex, señor.
Nobody(except maybe China)wants to rule over you.
Most countries don't even think about Argentina.
l know that not thinking about you is a blow to your macho pride, & the countries that might think about you, have no desire to get embroiled in the trainwreck that is Argentina.
You Argentines have an inflated opinion of yourselves.
The world does not await your every word & deed. Very few people care.
Poor things.
Someone had to tell you.
@ 82 “And dignity is the most important thing a human being has in life.”
Jan 29th, 2016 - 10:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0------------
For an argentine, the most important thing in life is that he appears hopelessly ridiculous to the rest of the world.
Hepatia will still have to live with its/her/his 3-synapses brain within the next 25 years.
Jan 29th, 2016 - 10:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Its Argentinas Sepoy syndrome, “everyone is out to exploit us!” But, the only thing everybody wants is peace, trade, and respect, and in the case of the FI, to stop the intimidation and the invalid claim.
Jan 30th, 2016 - 04:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 83 lsolde who writes: “Most countries don't even think about Argentina.”
Jan 30th, 2016 - 05:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Perhaps not, but most people know where Argentina is, namely on the west coast of Central America, immediately north of Zambia, south of Yemen and west of Myanmar ... or somewhere very close.
THE SORT OF COUNTRY THAT I DON'T MISS.
Jan 30th, 2016 - 08:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think that somebody should tell Cisneros that although neather Nestor nor Cristina used to send winny the pou bears, or christmas cards to the islanders, they could get the support of most of the world for the country, in relation to our claim for the Malvinas. I was a teen in the nineties, and i must confess that i felt really ashamed when i saw the policies applied by Menem and Di Tella, if they wanted to convence the islanders that Argentina wasn't a dangerous nation that would be able of invading them again, it wasn't necesary to kiss their ass, in fact, since the constitutional reform of 1994, our constitution is very clear respecting the way that the country must recover the sovereignty of the islands, which signalizes that it must be under the respect for the international right, beside, i don't know what kind of strong country were we for the rest of the world in the nineties, when actualy what Menem did, was to submit us to the caprices of the i. m. f., sorry, buy i don't miss in absolut that sort of country.
On the other hand, i sometimes see some people in this website, who commit the stupid mistake of comparing Argentina with the U. K., or with some other developed nation, i really don't know whether they do it because they are ignorants, or just morons. Argentina is a nation where thanks to the policies of kirchnerism, millions of our citizens could improve their social situation, but it's still a developing nation with big challenges in social terms, that's why it's pretty obvious that developed countries are in a much better situation than us. Beside, Nestor and Cristina could build a much more autonomus nation, than what it used to be, unless we weren't nobody's backyard when they ruled Argentina, as it used to happen in the nineties.
Somebody drank the Kool-Aid.
Jan 30th, 2016 - 09:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@85
Jan 30th, 2016 - 09:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's near Brazil - where the nuts come from
Most Brazil nuts come from Bolivia...actually.....
Jan 30th, 2016 - 11:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Clever Dick - you missed the reference, or you are being pedantic again
Jan 31st, 2016 - 02:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0@ 87 I think that you will find that Argentina is on the East coast (well, sort of South East really). Chile, Peru and Colombia are on the West coast (or they are on my map)
Jan 31st, 2016 - 06:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@82
Jan 31st, 2016 - 07:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“but until we do not get payback, we will not have our dignity”
So OK, you'll get your dignity back by attacking the Falklands and getting your airfields destroyed, and your military facilities annihilated.
So you will get your dignity back by losing?
Hmm interesting, you are a fan of the 'Flashing Blade' TV series then, “It's better to have fought and lost, than not to have fought at all'”
@88
“but it's still a developing nation with big challenges in social terms, that's why it's pretty obvious that developed countries are in a much better situation than us”
How has your claim for the Falklands helped your country toward economic prosperity?
Do you not see that if it were not for Peron, Argentina would be a fully developed country by now?
“Beside, Nestor and Cristina could build a much more autonomous nation, than what it used to be, unless we weren't nobody's backyard when they ruled Argentina, as it used to happen in the nineties.”
Your armed forces appeared to be in a better state under Menem than they were under CFK-one of the components of an autonomous society is their defences.
Although the withdrawal of your jet fighters has happened under Macri's watch-you only have to see who has been power recently to see who caused a situation where you are defended by Tucano trainers.
Menem's policy towards the Islanders was undoubtedly condescending, but the Kirchener's hard stance has achieved absolutely zero regarding the Falkland Islands, indeed it has resulted in the Islands politicians travelling overseas to refute the lies Argentina tells.
Before CFK caused , there were few efforts from the Islander to state their case, now they respond to every Argentine statement. I would class that as an Argentine mistake, not a victory.
Macri may achieve some success but not if he follows the 'pot of gold at the end of the rainbow' conceopt with letting the mythical Malvinas come before getting Argentina to where it should be.
@93 “... Argentina is....”
Jan 31st, 2016 - 09:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0ironía, pibe, ironía......
@94 Pete
Jan 31st, 2016 - 10:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Good reply.
Magnus' incessant whining about “poor victimized us”
and nasty outside forces oppressing and exploiting them surely plays well at home. It is doubtless a comforting mantra for those who bury their heads in the sand and want to blame others for their problems and their attitudes - like petulant children.
Years of Peronist and K's La Campora indoctrination is likely unshakable for them.
@94 “So OK, you'll get your dignity back by attacking the Falklands and getting your airfields destroyed, and your military facilities annihilated.”
Feb 01st, 2016 - 01:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0No, we will only get our dignity back if we win. I'm not for any suicide missions.
@96 We Argentinians are definitely responsible for our problems, BUT it does not mean that there are not people oppressing or exploting us that we are as a people should be careful about.
@97 And just who is oppressing and “exploting” Argentina?
Feb 01st, 2016 - 03:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0@97 Magnus
Feb 01st, 2016 - 03:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0Grow up. Nobody is going to hand charity to Argentina. They are no different than you - they have to survive too. Grow up. Be smart and get the best deal you can, with the honest intention of fulfilling your commitments.
Argentina has EXPLOITED creditors by taking money and refusing to pay it back. There are no clandestine British “Sepoy” saboteurs.
Spain, Uruguay, Chile, and Paraguay have all expressed publicly that Argentina is exploiting THEM, just as companies like Repsol say the same thing.
You and the La Campora Malvinistas are whingeing hypocrites feeling sorry for yourselves.
Argentina's “victim” mentality shining forth again.
Feb 01st, 2016 - 09:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0PETE BOG (82).
Feb 01st, 2016 - 04:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Although i don't agree in absolut on your ideological posture, i'll answer your comment because you are one of the few forists who neather missrespects me, nor underestimates me.
I can understand that you don't like the ideology of kirchnerism, but if you want to talk about Argentina, i think you should search better information about our history, instead of repeating the characteristic stupid and mediocre stigmatization against Peron. Although i am not peronist, i can't ignore that many of his policies changed the country for good, while it is true that before he appears on the political scenario of the nation, Argentina was the seventh economy of the world, it's also true that most that opulence was enjoyed by the rich people, but most of our citizens lived in very bad conditions, like many of those millions of inmigrants who came to Argentina, because despite the misserable conditions of most of our workers, there were job opportunities. Beside, the nation was just an agrarian english colony, where the ex empire handled most of our economy. The oligarchs were so idiot that they didn't use all that opulence to industrialize the country, only Peron did it.
Anyway, i have never accepted his authoritarism and demagogy, on the other hand, most of those who came after him, destroyed the country, especially the different dictatorship.
Respecting the state of our army, i must confess that i really don't care about it, we are not a beligerant nation that often invades different territories, we are a true country of peace, we just need the necesary weapons to protect our borders and the natural recources, but no more than it.
Yes Axel, “a true country of peace”, just like you were in 1982.
Feb 01st, 2016 - 08:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You're only peaceful because you have no means to cause trouble.
lf you had strong military forces, you would try invasion again.
...and bully the Chileans, Paraguayans, Uruguayans, etc.
Feb 01st, 2016 - 09:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@101 Another argento in denial. And so many of them.
Feb 01st, 2016 - 10:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“ .. we are not a beligerant nation”
Argentina is the very picture of belligerence. Within not too many recent years Argentina invaded the British Antarctic territory and nearly started a spirited shooting war. Argentina twice prepared to invade Chile. And then did invade the Falklands and other territories belonging to others. And of course got its arse properly kicked. Not belligerent, my eye.
Face it, Axel, Argentina is an inept has-been wannabe. Un país de cuarto. You know it. We know it. Everybody knows it. Pretending otherwise changes nothing. Perhaps a little less time could be spent admiring your arrogant preening greaseball selves in the mirror and a little more on seeing how the civilised and successful nations behave.
@104 ML
Feb 01st, 2016 - 11:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Axle” is just a squeaky wheel. Annoying, asking for attention, but of no consequence.
“When Argentina is strong and united”- not even after Judgment day!
Feb 02nd, 2016 - 04:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0Philippe
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