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Argentine ex Army commander praises Macri/Cameron dialogue: what matters is getting started
A former commander of the Argentine Army and Malvinas war veteran Martin Balza praised the recent meeting of President Mauricio Macri with UK Prime Minister David Cameron arguing that whatever is done to advance a serious, respectful, mature dialogue must be welcomed; “there won't be immediate results from that dialogue, but this is like a marathon, what matters are the first steps”. Read full article
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Jan 28th, 2016 - 07:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0Wasn't he the one who ordered the shooting of those ill prepared soldiers who went looking for solace to the Island farmers when they were starving and cold?
Jan 28th, 2016 - 09:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0He states “ We must learn to respect them” ( I presume “them” is the Islanders) .
Jan 28th, 2016 - 10:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0General Balza.Your message to the people and politicians of Argentina should be “ If we respect the Islanders by respecting their right to self determination and to live their lives in peace free from harassment ,intimidation and threats ”
You should then go to discuss an apology,recognition of and reparations to the Islands.
That would show real courage.
First they tried rape, then they tried cosying up, finally they tried intimidation which still continues.
Jan 28th, 2016 - 10:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0After all that cant the Argies see that they have totally blown it. Imagine if the Falklands was a woman and Argentina was a man (I know, but just try)? Could this be the start of some sort of relationship?
The obvious answer is no!
Why do you think Gral Balza is talking to you?
Jan 28th, 2016 - 12:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He was talking to the argentine media.....to be listened by argntine people. Don't be confused.
His opinion about a “basic” respect to islanders as honest people is something quite demanded by plenty of argentine people (include myself) .
It appears a lot of different folk are being prompted or coerced to come forward and make public statements concerning the Falklands...
Jan 28th, 2016 - 12:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0...pgerman is right this is not for international consumption...
It is a government sponsored wooing of the Argentine people...
...a cunning plan...
@6 Voice - there you have it everybody, straight from the horses (Voices) mouth!
Jan 28th, 2016 - 12:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“I believe that in recent decades Argentina has had an oscillating policy towards Malvinas, from trying to seduce the Islanders as in the nineties, which did not work, but we can't have an aggressive stance, we must learn to respect them.
Jan 28th, 2016 - 12:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Efforts will never be enough for dialogue when there is also room for dissent”.
He is hinting here that if you beat the British with a stick, the response is not (like Argentina) to wave a white flag, but to display the Agincourt salute, and beat back the Argy with the same stick.
To be honest this is at least turning away from the long established Argentine trait of shoving the head in the sand.
But I wonder if the guy recognises why Menem's 'seduction' policy failed?
No analysis by the Argentines-only “why did they not leave when we offered them money”?“ Surely the free Pingu videos would clinch it?”
If he was a competent soldier, he would take a very close look at history (to learn from successes and defeats in the past), and realise why the Falklands being British is a natural result of history, not some imaginary colonial grab.
Once he studies history in more minute detail, he will then be able to understand the Islander's/ Britain's viewpoint, which from his point of view is necessary to solve what Argentina see as a problem and what Britain view as a natural progression of events.
There is at least a hint of some logic and thought ( rather than the Argentine stick- fingers- in- ears and- shout- la -la- la) in which he says but the final hurdle will be to resist the peronist Nazi doctrine that if you repeat a lie enough times it becomes the truth.
He's ex-military and accepted 'diplomatic' appointments under Bug Eye and TMBOA.
Jan 28th, 2016 - 01:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0'Leopards and spots. No need to say any more.
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Jan 28th, 2016 - 02:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yeah natural British progression...
It goes something like...if we steal something and keep it long enough then it is ours...
Unless of course... the offended becomes too powerful to logically oppose...then we give it back...
Hong Kong spring to mind...and then India and then...and then...
...a complete history of theft....
10 Yeah natural Argentine response..
Jan 28th, 2016 - 02:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Theres this huge tract of land, “who owns it?” “Only a bunch of Indians”. “Lets take it over, just wipe em out, murder the lot” “Right, been there done tbat, whats next?” ”Well theres those uninhabited islands over there, only a bunch of Brit losers, lets invade them, shit in their houses, round em up, take it all over, we're bigger than them!' “OH OH, look out, here comes their big brother, pull up your skirts and run!”
..a complete history of Spaniards. Once they had it all, then they lost the lot! Losers!
You are surely in denial...
Jan 28th, 2016 - 02:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You seriously cannot see that you have also described British Colonialism...
..a complete history of Britain. Once they had it all, then they lost the lot! Losers!
I just think we gave it all back, initially reluctantly, then, when the tide turned willingly. But, there were many small colonies that couldnt support themselves and which chrerished their Britishness and Britain continues to support them, just like England continues to support Scotland Wales and Northern Ireland. We still help many ex colonies with aid. As for the marbles the Greeks wete busy cutting them up to make kitchen worktops and Elgin saved some. If we return those museums all over the world will be obliged to empty their collections. One only has to travel to Samos to see how badly the Greeks have trashed tbeir heritage.
Jan 28th, 2016 - 03:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Spain lost absolutely everything. Its empire disintegrated. Read some history and take your anti English goggles off. Lots of countries were colonialists and some are still would be colonialists like your darling Argentina hypocrite!
They lost the lot . . . . . . . .
Jan 28th, 2016 - 03:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This is the true product of liberalization - decay.
It takes a lot of societal self discipline and industry to sustain empire.
Hence, the kelpers have nothing to fear at the hands of a pathetic, self neutered rottingroadkill - it the Brits you have to worry about - principally the so called labor party and its pack of Neville Chamberlain style accommodators.
Corby's potentially much more dangerous to your interests than Macaroni ever could be.
You ought to familiarise yourself with history...
Jan 28th, 2016 - 03:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 010 million+ Estimated number of Native Americans living in land that is now the United States when European explorers first arrived in the 15th century
Less than 300,000 Estimated number of Native Americans living in the United States around 1900...
An estimated 29 million deaths in India under British Rule...
20,000 Australian aboriginal deaths....
Millions in Africa....
The list goes on...I wouldn't like to try and estimate the total indidenous deaths caused by the British Empire...
...and yet the British are still desperately trying to grasp onto their vestigial straws of colonialism with BOTS and Queen Elizabeth land Antarctica....
...You are the hypocrite....
Always trying to excuse the inexcusable ....
A very anti-British “voice” shows his true colours.
Jan 28th, 2016 - 03:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@10...except Voice we are talking about the Falklands, which were not stolen from anyone. Two wrongs do not make a right, well unless you are Jeremy Corbyn of course.
Jan 28th, 2016 - 03:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”The list goes on...I wouldn't like to try and estimate the total indidenous deaths caused by the British Empire...”
Jan 28th, 2016 - 03:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0From the Greeks, Romans, Ghegis Khan etc etc, throughout history there have been Empires, Britains was no different. Its over now.
You, as an Argentinian apologist are trying to conflate colonialism with support for the population of small islands. Britain is a great steward of the environment of Antarctica. I would sooner trust the stewardship of the islands and Antarctic territory to Britain, than Argentina which has a recent history of corruption, neglect, lawlessness, colonial invasion, murder and financial default. If you had ever actually been to the places you mention you would have to agree. As it is your feeble attempts at intimidation and Anti English rhetoric are transparent. If you want to see a hypocrite look in the mirror.
What is needed is for Britain to be a bit tougher. Trade sanctions against Argentina, block all loans, ban their politicans and citizens from flying into Europe, freeze their bank accounts. Then the cockroaches might be something to talk about
Jan 28th, 2016 - 03:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Petiso Balza is dead wrong. What matters in a marathon are the last steps- not the first ones!
Jan 28th, 2016 - 03:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Philippe
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Jan 28th, 2016 - 03:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I say it as it is...
You may like to hide behind rose tinted spectacles...
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If you care to show me a historical claim from the British for East Falkland then I will agree...
It was sheer piracy...in other words...theft...
East Falkland was abandoned...then it was colonised...then it was stolen by the British with no prior claim...
Troy, Voice is outed, clearly Anti English predjudice drive his stance. A racist who takes tbe side of modern day colonialists. I thought such people had been disposed of in the modern world, appsrently not?
Jan 28th, 2016 - 03:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Voice- You really are off the pole and up the street!
Jan 28th, 2016 - 03:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Spanish lost all their empire through wars of liberty and freedom to the people of those lands because the Spanish REFUSED to assist and develop them.
The British- with the exception of the American Colony as it was - peacefully developed and returned all theirs to the peoples of those countries in the fullness of time - complete with a sound democratic system, laws and judiciary etc - many of which have kept all that going since.
By the way - how many Argentine indigenous people did your ancestors murder and wipe out in a war of extermination in the 1860s?
Do list the numbers of people in the old British Territories that were deliberately murdered and exterminated.
As for Relations today - lots of you are again up the pole- UK has made it very very clear to Macri - No discussions on Islands Sovereignty without agreement of the Islanders - and that is not there! Yes maybe in time if Arg backs off a bit
from the K rhetoric, we may get to talking about other issues of mutual interest that the Islands and Arg can possibly agree on - that exclude the S issue.
That is life - get used to it.
The Britsh- w
Sorry, but I don't see Spain asking for East Falkland back (or France for that matter), surely you are not suggesting Argentina has a prior claim are you?
Jan 28th, 2016 - 04:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And would that be the same kind of theft from the natives that resulted in the UP's, or the theft from Spain that resulted in Argentina and the rest of SA. Is that the kind of theft you are talking about? Oh no, it's not the same is it, silly me, they didn't murder anyone to 'steal' East Falkland did they?
Oh and by the way American independence was 1776 the reduction of native american population from then on was not the fault of the British Empire, you can't have your cake and eat it Voice. Trying to blame the British Empire for deaths up to 1900, very Argentinian of you Voice.
@10. Except WE found it in the first place (1690). So WE didn't steal anything. But the French tried to steal, the spanish tried to steal, the scum tried to steal. Aren't you supposed to be scotch? Another bunch of thieves.
Jan 28th, 2016 - 04:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@12. They didn't “lose” anything. They gave it to those most entitled. Why doesn't argieland do that? Because there would be no argieland. Scotchland is much the same. Steal, steal, steal. It's all it knows.
@15. Pity you don't read all the history instead of just the bits that suit you.
Many Amerindian peoples allied themselves with the British. Read that bit? Having declared themselves independent, it was the new “Americans” that killed the Amerindians.
There are similarities. Argies and scotch both lie and steal.
@21. You wouldn't know how it is if “it” was shoved up your arse. But we wouldn't do that because we know you'd enjoy it.
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Jan 28th, 2016 - 04:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Do list the numbers of people in the old British Territories that were deliberately murdered and exterminated.”
Did you not read @15...?
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I see you are not familiar with the term res nullius...
As for the rest....I stated facts you are stating supposition....
Unless you can give me numbers of native Americans in the US that died between 1776 and 1900....
...is it say 9 million 700 thousand....?
This is turning into a Monty Pythonesque sketch. Voice one side of tbe table desperately defending misconceptions stretches, falsehoods lies and distortions from all directions. Argie trolls please come and help this warped wee racist? Where is El Think?
Jan 28th, 2016 - 04:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Where is the racist comment...?
Jan 28th, 2016 - 05:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Where are the falsehoods...
Where are the lies...
Where is your belly in relation to your chest...?
24. That is correct.
Jan 28th, 2016 - 05:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The French loved the eastern tribes.
Now the tribes are taking it back from the Anglo one quarter at a time via Indian gambling casinos.
@19. At least someone has a grasp of how to deal with the rottingroadllians.
The foreign service should be dismantled and all reference to it should be eliminated from recorded history in payment for the disservice that it has rendered in destroying the empire.
So called Voice clearly driven by anti English sentiments. Obvious racist comments throughout.
Jan 28th, 2016 - 05:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“and yet the British are still desperately trying to grasp onto their vestigial straws of colonialism with BOTS and Queen Elizabeth land Antarctica....” - falsehood. In all these places the inhabitants want to maintain tbe British connection. In the Falklands 99% of those eligible voted for it. Are you not British then, is that yet another lie?
“East Falkland was abandoned...then it was colonised...then it was stolen by the British with no prior claim...” - stretch! Read Roger Lortons tomes. Almost 200 years of ownership says otherwise and 1982 and the referendum confirms it… self determination.
Below it, BMI 23.6. Wheres yours? BP 120/70 , resting heart rate 55. Can you match that, I very much doubt it.
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Jan 28th, 2016 - 05:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A brief history and understanding of the Falklands...for you...
Discovery was not an effective means of establishing sovereignty then....
Although settlement and colonisation was...
French settled East Falkland before the British settled West Falkland...
Then sold it to Spain...
Britain abandoned West Falkland...
Spain abandoned East Falkland...
BA also known as Argentina settled the res nullius East Falkland...
Britain stole it....
End of history lesson...
ps...is that you Skip...?
The prose seems very familiar....;-)))))
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“So called Voice clearly driven by anti English sentiments. Obvious racist comments throughout.”
I see no mention of the English by me anywhere...
Are you sure that you don't see the “British”...as English......Oops...;-)
Are the British a race...?
Your body mass is disproportionate....it's all around your belly....
I've seen your pics....;-))))
Voice
Jan 28th, 2016 - 05:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The past is in the past , time to move on, you can procrastinate all you like but I think you will find that the FALKLANDS will never be Argentine in your or my life. Just get on and accept it , in fact I would hasten to add that no-one and I mean no-one on this board will ever see the FALKLANDS in the hands of Argentina.
Voice, we have seen your pics too, resembled a stick insect only that was better looking. ;-)
Jan 28th, 2016 - 05:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your tirades against the British Empire are clearly anti English. You frequently cosy up to Argentinian racists. You have made Racist comments on here about the Falkland Islanders many times, we have seen them. Your whole tenor is that of a first class Racist. I wonder why that is?
As said at 32 you are wasting your breath, that is if you are trying to intimidate Falkland Islanders. Practically no one except joke Corbyn wants to hand the islands to the Argentinians. Wouldnt you just ove Corbyn to be PM. Think of that with Nicola as his right hand woman… Bahahaha
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Jan 28th, 2016 - 05:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are a liar...you have not seen any pics of me...
Prove you are not a liar and post them...
I can prove I'm not a liar and post them of you....;-)
...if one were to think of Humpty Dumpty with a big grey beard....it would not be far off.. (:0)))
@26 No I am stating facts, what part is not factual?
Jan 28th, 2016 - 06:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@31 Voice....'BA also known as Argentina settled the res nullius East Falkland...
Britain stole it....
End of history lesson...'
And how does that differ from...Spain colonised South America, stole it from the indigenous people, then, Spanish rebels stole part of it from the crown . Argentina Stole it.....
End of another history lesson.
...'Discovery was not an effective means of establishing sovereignty then....
Although settlement and colonisation was...'
So it's OK to colonise/steal land as long as it's not the British doing it, is that your logic?
@24 George's Anus now seems to speak perfect English - unlike his previous incarnations expressing themselves in garbled rants - different operator.
Jan 28th, 2016 - 06:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Once again, a convenient voice “ally” just as needed.
Obviously this is a just another contrived persona with an agenda.
Erm really Troy, you think I am an Argentinain troll, it is a piss take of George what ever he was called, who was on here a few weeks ago. No Voice 'ally' I am afraid, and sorry for pointing out the bleedin obvious, but how is showing Voice up for the liar and small minded anti brit he is, being his ally. Try reading the posts, I am actually taking him to task over his comments and lies, or is your understanding of English rather limited.
Jan 28th, 2016 - 06:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The only agenda I have is for the Islanders to live in peace and to determine their own future. Not sure what your Agenda is though?
@34 Voice, I remember you posting a picture, supposedly of you in a Kilt playing the bags pipes at some parade or other in B and W I recall. So I would have to say Captainsilver is not lying but you are.
Voice, your picture was in pipers regalia, 3rd from the left, you told us. I cant be bothered to search for it but you did post it. Or was that just another lie? Whats your problem why do you hate thecEnglish and Falkland Islanders, do tell?
Jan 28th, 2016 - 06:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 033
Jan 28th, 2016 - 06:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Dammit...you are not lying, you have seen a picture of me...
That suave looking chappy in full Highland Military Regalia...
Great proportions...Tall...good shoulders..flat stomach...
Hey... that's what we call normal...and yes that's what fatties see as a stick insect...
You tend to think ....voluminous...
...because you are....(;-)
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Not a different operator....
The same operator switching to their normal prose...
Which does indeed appear very familiar...
..it's you Skip..isn't it..;-)
@20 Philippe
Jan 28th, 2016 - 06:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”Petiso Balza is dead wrong. What matters in a marathon are the last steps- not the first ones!
Exactly what went through my mind when I read his statement.
Seems that 'Voice' has embodied all the stupid Trolls at once and has represented them pretty well.....unfortunately, all totally irrelevant.
C'mon Voice, tell us, why the hate fest? Are you afraid, or just a serial liar?
Jan 28th, 2016 - 06:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No Voice it's was me actually, just forgot to change back after schooling George on the correct facts. You know the one that helped you realise you weren't quite the expert you thought you were when it came to colour matching maps....
Jan 28th, 2016 - 06:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@21 voice
Jan 28th, 2016 - 06:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“I say it as it is...
You may like to hide behind rose tinted spectacles...”
That's a laugh!
Go on then, say it like it is ...
Are you anti-British?
Yes, or no ?? Simple and direct.
Or will you opt for “ I refuse to answer on the grounds that it might incriminate me”??
Jack....I'm not going to bite...
Jan 28th, 2016 - 06:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0...we had a truce...
I have not attacked you since...
I have many faults Voice, but being wrong isn't one of them.
Jan 28th, 2016 - 06:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am glad to see you know when you have been bested.
Once again, “voice” has run away, unable to answer truthfully, or successfully support his reasons for making off-topic statements and half-truths.
Jan 28th, 2016 - 06:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Good at his intent of diverting the original discussion though
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Jan 28th, 2016 - 06:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I can't help it if you have an average monitor....
I use a colour proofing and calibrating NEC SpectraView Monitor...
The kind professionals use that cost thousands...
What is displays is right...what you have is not....
Architects don't need that kind of tec.....
soooo.....out of interest...what do you know about concrete loads on pier foundations...?
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I love the British....
In particular...the English......;-)))))
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Jan 28th, 2016 - 06:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0what a relief!!
http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/f3a472ee11cf13b44b39ff86a186d19df775615c/c=480-0-2248-1329&r=x404&c=534x401/local/-/media/2016/01/19/Binghamton/B9320513749Z.1_20160119172449_000_GGPD6Q1F9.1-0.jpg
Jan 28th, 2016 - 07:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The stick insect that looks rather like a foetus 5th from the right.. ;-)
Scots Guards, assault on Mt Longdon, snubbed by the islanders QED.
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Jan 28th, 2016 - 08:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0huh....bunch of shorties....
Can tell by...how high the spats are sitting on their legs...and the regimental sporrans are a standard length... how far they comes down the thigh tells me how short or tall they are...
Mine sits about four inches above my knee....
Nice try but no cigar...
Awww...where has Buzzsaw gone...buzzed off....
pretending to be an Architect will not help with the Tech questions an Architect should know the answer to that I would ask....
It's Skip...alrighty....he can't resist the Skip like comments...;-)
Using his spare login...that everyone knows he has...
“I have many faults Voice, but being wrong isn't one of them.”
“I am glad to see you know when you have been bested.”
@47... How do you know what I have....now that is the true meaning of 'supposition' Voice. You don't think Architects need colour calibration and professional monitors when producing images for planning applications when specifying RAL colours on facades for example.
Jan 28th, 2016 - 08:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Face it Voice, you made a claim that you were some what of an expert and that you were therefore correct and everyone else was incorrect. Until you were challenged and shown to be incorrect. Remember, It also relies on the quality of the scan and the state of the original (all third party), which you cannot control no matter how much your equipment costs.
What do you want to know about loading on pier foundations? It really all depends on what type of pier foundation, piled, concrete, concrete/steel etc, straight, belled. what is it supporting? and what the ground conditions are on the bearing end and sides.
But really that is within the Engineers remit, I wouldn't build anything of substance with consulting one first.
Voice, that was the photo, which shows you fibbed then. Cant believe a word you say can we, especially since you have been proved wrong every time?
Jan 28th, 2016 - 08:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Did you see Rhiannon Giddens the other night, I did…
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Jan 28th, 2016 - 08:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are giving away your ignorance...
An Architect would specify the Pantone colour...or Ral colour...
Any monitor would do...the monitor only reflects how it is displayed...not how it is printed..
A planning application submitted digitally would only be as good as the planning departments monitor...
You are googling...just like you have Googled pier foundations...
ps...your monitor would not show the accuracy of slight differences in shade as mine would....
You do realise what a Colour Proofing Monitor is for...
That is why you will always get different results from the same downloaded file that I would...
You are not fooling me Skip....
...and don't pretend you have a decent monitor
I can take a photo of mine that would prove it's an NEC SpectraView monitor that only a professional would have...with any message you would like on it and post it on here...I bet you can't
BS8110 CRABS
Jan 28th, 2016 - 08:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Printers not an imaginative or skilled occupation.
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Jan 28th, 2016 - 08:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Is your memory going Gramps,,,?
or can't you read..?
@37 Already stated it was a B/W photo....
I don't want to confuse you...but the one you posted is colour...
“Printers not an imaginative or skilled occupation.”
Who said I was a printer.....D'oh
Oohhh Voice, some of us do not need to lie.
Jan 28th, 2016 - 08:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You have proved precisely nothing, you have asked questions that I have answered and because you have been shown to be a fool, you try to make out I am goggling the answers or I am another poster in disguise.
' Any monitor would do...the monitor only reflects how it is displayed...not how it is printed..'
Now you are getting it Voice, when you design something, you want a true likeness, if your display is off then what you build might not reflect the colour you wanted.
You still didn't answer what you wanted to know about Pier foundations, I can't give you an answer if I don't know the question. Your question was far too vague.
Oh and by the way, if you want to troll back through last years archives, I think you will find a discussion with tobi, when he was trying to tell everyone he was an exceptional Architect, I think you will find I made some remarks then on some of the projects and design teams I have had the pleasure to work on, 2 of them were awarded the Pritzker Architecture Prize. After all that would be one hell of a ruse to keep up wouldn't it?
I have nothing to prove to you Voice, if you cannot accept the truth, then that is your problem.
P.S. Copernicus just emailed and wanted to remind you that contrary to what you may believe, you are definitely not the center of the universe.
'Britain abandoned West Falkland...'
Jan 28th, 2016 - 09:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0False. Regular British visits show this isn't true
'Spain abandoned East Falkland...'
It takes more than simple abandonment to lose rights. Sovereignty has to be relinquished. Spain's absence between 1811 and 1833 was too short a time to lose by prescription any rights it may have had.
'BA also known as Argentina settled the res nullius East Falkland...'
See above. Too short a time for East Falkland to revert to terra nullius. Besides which Argentina has never claimed sovereignty on the basis of occupation of terra nullius, so your argument is irrelevant. It claims on the basis of inheritance of the Spanish claim, an inheritance that never happened.
You do understand that a claim of occupation of terra nullius is incompatible with a claim of inheritance, don't you.
'Britain stole it....'
If so, from Spain. Spain still hasn't complained
'End of history lesson...'
You need one.
@55 Sorry you have confused me @37 I didn't post anything, you posted the photo. It was of you, remember, in a kilt!
Jan 28th, 2016 - 09:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 056
Jan 28th, 2016 - 09:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have done plenty of work for Architects in the past....precisely because of my equipment and skills....not one of them had anything comparable...
I also have a large format Giclee printer...Epson 9800...can print just under four feet by as long as the roll...again..cost thousands...
Would you also like a photo of that....
I can prove my professionalism....
Can you...?
Not Googling info...prove by photos...
...yeah I thought not...
you talk the talk...but don't walk the walk...
An estimated 29 million deaths in India under British Rule
Jan 28th, 2016 - 09:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Prove it,
nothing more than anti British,
all empire's throughout history had deaths and massacres,
also mad men have also killed millions, and you know it,
the world today is not perfect, and the empire has gone,
so who are you going to blame for the worlds deaths today,
we aint perfect, but we try and have done very well in the last decades,
but no matter what we do, anti British hatred will always hate us.
sleep time my friend.
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Jan 28th, 2016 - 09:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Read again...who said Terra Nullius...?
I said res nullius...
There is a difference...
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Mike Davis “Late Victorian Holocausts” ...
Don't shoot the messenger...
Mike Davis , one of hundreds of those who have their opinion,
Jan 28th, 2016 - 09:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0so not your fault, [agreed]
mind you I wonder what he would have said abt Hitler and Stalin
still,
argentine soldiers are on patrol with the brits in Cyprus,
and work with British units, .
one thinks its only the guys at the top who still lust for power , or CFK to walk into the room.. lol
res means 'thing'
Jan 28th, 2016 - 09:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0terra means 'land/territory'
res covers any thing including land
terra is specific to land and is a more precise term
People people,
Jan 28th, 2016 - 09:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0we all know Argentina has no claim,
she wont go to the ICJ,
so argentine government can talk till doomsday but unless she goes to the ICJ and does this properly, that she has squat shite full stop.
She should just get on with saving Argentina ..
Sorry Voice at home not in the office, will have to wait to play my dicks bigger than yours.
Jan 28th, 2016 - 10:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You do know that most practices have large format plotters as standard now don't you. Even my small practice, has a small 610 wide plotter for check plots. We then send them off to the reprographics to print the planning, tender or construction packages as it takes too much time in house especially with the folding and binding.
So tell me Voice, why bother to ask me a question about pier foundations that you state all Architects should know, then accuse me of googling it as it assume I answered you vague question with what you expected to hear?
Huh, a bit of CAD Graphics and GIS, doh! Big deal… braggart. You dont know what CRABS is… or how to do the calculations, you need to be an engineer to do that which takes brains. Large part of Scotlands economy is collapsing, propped up by English money. Continue the racist hatred the news is your darling SNP is struggling.
Jan 28th, 2016 - 10:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Like a marathon”... takes a long time to reach the goal...a bit like throwing the ball into the long grass?
Jan 28th, 2016 - 10:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Poor, poor, Voice.
Jan 28th, 2016 - 11:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0if we steal something and keep it long enough then it is ours...
unless of course... the offended becomes too powerful to logically oppose...then we give it back...
Formosa, Chaco and Misiones provinces spring to mind...and then Patagonia and then all of Argentina and then all of Spanish America - but neither Paraguay nor what is left of the indigenous people after the genocide are powerful enough, so we continue stealing their lands in (mostly) northern Argentina ... and then ... and then ... and then ... just go home to Europe, where you belong and leave these foreign territories in Latin America alone.
...a complete history of theft....
66 captain Silver
Jan 29th, 2016 - 01:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0“voice” is likely Natalie McGarry (@NatalieMcGarry), Glasgow East MP (SNP) currently defaming JK Rowling on twitter
Could not be bothered to read General Chaos's thoughts beyond the first paragraph...any info on the anal rape of lower ranks?
Jan 29th, 2016 - 02:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0@Voice, and then it hit me, an epiphany....why is it so hard for you to accept I am what I say I am, after all I am only doing a job which I trained to do, nothing magical, difficult or wonderous about it....it's because you are an under achiever.
Jan 29th, 2016 - 08:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0You said you worked for some architects in what appears to be a graphic/GIS auxiliary role of some sort (still don't know what you do as you haven't the balls to say, you are not embarrassed are you?), so it must be that green eyed monster, that inferiority complex, you know you could never attain the level required, you have neither the skill, knowledge, qualifications or creativity to be a designer. So instead you put down and try to discredit those others you are jealous of.
That is sad and bitter Voice, not good for your health. You could always go back to Uni and do a PG or Masters course it's never too late. I did one in Landscape Architecture, plenty of mature students some even in their 60's. Oh and I am also a Chartered Member of the Landscape Institute too having passed my part 4's.
I am flattered that you have spent so much time on me Voice, but I really think you out to get back to topic, there are others who have responded to your anal drivel and require one of your enlightened responses.
I salute you sir, your monitor and plotter do indeed cost more than mine, well done, now back on topic.
The Falklands Islanders will decide to whom they speak.
Yawn. The reductio ad anglophobium - when all else fails, bring out the British Empire.
Jan 29th, 2016 - 08:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0Can anybody explain the logic whereby the inhabitants of the falklands are apparently supposed to be making amends to Argentina for the crimes, real and alleged, of the British Empire?
Troy, Voice is obviously some sort of technician with a large format printer and high res monitor instead of a willy. The identity you suggest could well be correct, whichever is true its certain she wears a skirt. She is currently being battered by Gertrude who recently arrived from the US.
Jan 29th, 2016 - 10:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0Voice hates the Empire and unlike many of its residents doesnt appreciate the good things it brought just like “what the Roman Empire did for us”. Also a Corbyn apologist no doubt.
@44 Voice
Jan 29th, 2016 - 02:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have no intention of engaging you in an endless exchange, as it would be useless and a waste of my time, but considering that you appear to be reasonably well-educated, I find your unwavering support of Argentina's foreign policy, incomprehensible... I would just like to know why, if Argentina is so convinced of its sovereignty rights over the FI, why doesn't it go - once and for all - to the ICJ ?? or are they afraid that the ICJ will pop their bubble and they'll have nothing left to look forward to , or to distract public opinion ?
number 24: you don't hear it yet???? natives form the Americas aren't form it, they came from another latitude, dummy ignorant, second papal bull gave us all the maericas, and the isloand idiot, you don't read books?? NOPE, gread dealmof ignorance, tell you this: uk was in whats today port Stanley form9 years thanks to the spanirds till they left in 1774, simple, what part you don't understand ape??? DON ALBERTO:: dumb ass boy sos un chupa pija pedazo de gato.PET BOG: www.constantinereport.com/the-nazi-monster-recruited-by...
Jan 29th, 2016 - 02:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 071
Jan 29th, 2016 - 02:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Give it up Skip...
I recognised your prose straight away @37 and said so @39...
You are not fooling me...
You have been using your spare login for years posing as other people...
It's a shame you don't rely on another theme...
Architecture....
Here you are as Anglotino....
“You are the one that mentioned DESIGN back in post 15. But supposedly I don't know anything. You've probbaly pushed a wheelbarrow around as a labourer so I'll refer to your knowledge of construction. But you clearly have no idea about architecture.
You build to the design of an architect. In other words, you'll take orders from people like me.
But 2 years of university have given me a greater insight into architecture than you have.
You clearly stated: “what can you know about architecture? nothing.”
And I have shown you to be wrong. I know plenty about architecture. You can try to shout and squirm and deflect and change the subject. But I know about architecture. ”
You are a student Skip...not an Architect...
Your answers are a students answers with knowledge, but no experience...
A Designer would use a high end monitor...not a printer, a printer has physical colour matching swatches to match the designers stipulations...
The designers high end monitor will exactly match the swatches...
Also my monitor will read the embedded colour profile of any file and display it exactly how it should be...yours won't..
Unless an architect has a customer come to the office to look at the design on a high end monitor....they will never see it until a proof is printed....meaning it would be an expensive waste of money..
There is only one professional here Skip..
The one that can prove it with the specialised kit...
Pretend to be Buzzsaw the Architect all you want..it will not fool me...
73
At least I can see my willy without a mirror...when was the last time you saw yours..fatty..;-)))
74
It's all about what is fair....
Britain did seize the full archipelago, whilst only having a claim to half...
http://en.mercopress.com/2016/01/28/argentine-ex-army-commander-praises-macri-cameron-dialogue-what-matters-is-getting-started#comment428592
Jan 29th, 2016 - 03:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Poor, poor Voice who makes up as he goes and find no lie to big to tell (as opposed to e.g. Goebbels) scribbled: “An estimated 29 million deaths in India under British Rule.”
An estimated 329 million deaths in India after the British left India.
The Voice-clown also scribbled: [France] “Then sold it to Spain”
No. According to the founder of the French colony, it was not sold.
He himself tells us in his memoirs, that he and his private company received a considerable sum as compensation for their expenses.
Excerpt from his receipt:
“Don Luis de Bougainville coronel de los ejércitos del Rey Cristianísimo.
He recibido seiscientos diez y ocho mil ciento y ocho libras trece sueldos y once dineros que importa un estado que he presentado de los gastos que han causado a la Compañía de San Maló las expediciones hechas para fundar sus intrusos establecimientos en las Islas Malvinas de S.M.C.”
“I, Monsieur Luis de Bougainville, Colonel of the Army of his most Christian Majesty.
I have received six hundred and eighteen thousand one hundred and eight livres, eleven sols, and eleven deniers, being the amount of an estimate that I have given in, of the expenses incurred by the St. Malo Company in expeditions sent out to found establishments in the Malouine Islands”
As is well documented, Britain acquired the Falkland Islands in accordance with international law.
Poor, poor Voice makes up as he goes and find no lie to big to tell.
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Jan 29th, 2016 - 03:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Compensation from the French Govt...
The French Govt gave it to Spain...
Give it away ex gratia...sell it...the French still officially signed it over to the Spanish...
...so....?
I note Dunoon's poison dwarf is still here spouting distracting crap. Just an attention seeker. All the Chileans I met think Argies are a bunch of lying crooks and the dwarf is just another one.
Jan 29th, 2016 - 04:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0On how many threads does 79 want to mention he's been to Chile...
Jan 29th, 2016 - 04:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh my....did you hear...The Voice has been on holiday to Chile....
Wow...that is truly amazing...
Who can I tell...
Hey is there anyone on the forum that hasn't heard that The Voice has just come back from Chile...?
Let;s see how many different ways he can incorporate it into a thread...
;-))))
So I hear the British did terrible things running the Indian sub-continent, wiping out millions?
Jan 29th, 2016 - 04:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well let's see...they left a country capable of becoming a world economic powerhouse with a population of over a billion people which I think it is fair to say are almost entirely indigenous.
Meanwhile in an area of SA that is about the same size as India, some separatist Spaniards lead a European invasion/conquest that leaves us today with the clown nation of Argentina that has a population of 40 million, which is 97% European.
@75 George's Anus
Jan 29th, 2016 - 05:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just fyg : acting upon Spain’s request, in an attempt to preserve what they had just ‘discovered’ in the new world (Columbus , 1492), Pope Alexander VI issued the Papal Bull “Inter Coetera“ of 1492, dividing the land, initially by a meridian 100 leagues west of Cape Verde, to the west of which would belong to Spain, and to the east, to Portugal. As this virtually excluded Portugal’s presence in the Atlantic, new negotiations between Spain and Portugal lead to the meridian being shifted to 370 leagues west of Cape Verde. This Treaty, signed in 1494, was known as the “Tratado de Tordesilhas” ; as it simply ignored all the other economic and maritime powers, it was soon contested, so Spain had to effectively start to colonize in order to justify possession. Portuguese settlers and explorers (the latter known as the ”Bandeirantes”) soon arrived in Brazil, and pushing west, eventually took possession of enormous tracts of land, which by the treaty belonged to Spain…but as Spain was busy trying to occupy the southeast and west coasts of South America, Portugal advanced, unchallenged, giving Brazil its current shape.
In 1750, the Treaty of Madrid substituted the Treaty of Tordesilhas, basically ratifying the then current situation, in order to avoid further conflict.
The funny thing is that you believe that both Spain , and Portugal , had the right, along with the connivance of the Pope (not recognized by the other powers), to divide up the 'undiscovered' new world between themselves ......a very weak concept, by itself, to justify possession of anything, west OR east of that meridian. And, as the Spanish provinces became independent, in the 1800's , their claims became even more unfounded.
'Portugal advanced, unchallenged, giving Brazil its current shape.'
Jan 29th, 2016 - 06:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Jack,
Actually, like Argentina, Brazil continued to advance after its independence, taking more territory. When it came to establish borders with its hispanic neighbours in the late 1900s, Brazil applied the doctrine of Uti possidetis de facto (effective control of territory determines international borders) and not uti possidetis juris (colonial borders and boundaries set in legal documents determine international borders). The UK had (and has) no more reason to recognise any obligation in UPJ than Brazil had.
'In 1750, the Treaty of Madrid substituted the Treaty of Tordesilhas, basically ratifying the then current situation, in order to avoid further conflict.'
In 1648, in the Treaty of Münster, in which Spain recognised the independence of the Netherlands, Spain and the Netherlands mutually recognised their territories were what they held at the time, which, in Spain's case, did not include the Falklands or large parts of the Americas. This treaty made Tordesillas meaningless even for Spain.
@75
Jan 29th, 2016 - 06:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“natives form the Americas aren't form it, they came from another latitude”
And the Spanish came from South America?
Spain is in Europe, moron.
“second papal bull gave us all the maericas”
But Britain and many other countries didn't accept what the papal bullshit said-so it's irrelevant.
The Spanish and Portuguese did not own the world, so had no authority to divide it up.
Also Britain had a rightful claim to the USA but the settlers didn't like us so they kicked us out-tough shit, but we lived with it , we are not that stupid to put in a claim for the USA.
If Argentina were British they would now be wingeing that the USA chucked them out in line with the principle that the settlers in the USA applied self determination.
Only Argentina would be stupid enough to claim the USA.
According to the papal bullshit, Spain/Portugual were to have Alaska, Canada USA etc.
Did they get it?
No.
Worked out why yet?
“was in whats today port Stanley form9 years thanks to the spanirds till they left in 1774, ”
The Spanish didn't leave in 1774, dipshit, and Stanley wasn't established until 1845.
Oops, the poison dwarf is jealeous of my little trip. Has he been to Glasgow yet?. Very dangerous place, especially in a skirt.
Jan 29th, 2016 - 07:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Whats the traffic policeman pointing at?
At your age you have got to holiday while you can...
Jan 29th, 2016 - 07:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's not like you have much time left...
...were you celebrating making it to 2016....
If one is really interested in a report on the brits from 1900 read this,
Jan 29th, 2016 - 07:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Engaging Strategy
A Nation in Retreat: Britain's Continental Century
http://engagingstrategy.blogspot.co.uk/2016/01/a-nation-in-retreat-britains.html
Whereas any European power has to support a vast army first of all, we in this fortunate, happy island, relieved by our insular position of a double burden, may turn our undivided efforts and attention to the fleet. Why should we sacrifice a game in which we are sure to win to play a game in which we are bound to lose?”
-Winston Churchill
Posted by BritishGrenadier at 06:16
At least give it a read,
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Poor, poor Voice whose cretinism forces him to make up as he goes and who finds no lie to big to tell.
Jan 29th, 2016 - 08:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As Don Luis de Bougainville coronel de los ejércitos del Rey Cristianísimo wrote in his memoirs: “Don Luis de Bougainville coronel de los ejércitos del Rey Cristianísimo.
He recibido seiscientos diez y ocho mil ... he presentado de los gastos que han causado a la Compañía de San Maló las expediciones hechas para fundar sus intrusos establecimientos en las Islas Malvinas de S.M.C.
Y Doscientas mil libras que se me han de entregar en la misma Corte de París según el libramiento que ha dado a mi favor el señor marqués de Zambrano tesorero general de S.M.C. a cargo de don Francisco Ventura Clovera su tesorero extraordinario en ella.
Y sesenta y cinco mil ... que se me han entregado expedidas por el Exmo. Señor Rvdo. Fray don Julián de Arriaga secretario de Estado y del despacho universal de Indias y Marina de S.M.C.”
“I, Monsieur Louis de Bougainville, Colonel of the Army of his most Christian Majesty, have received ... being the amount of an estimate that I have given in, of the expenses incurred by the St. Malo Company in expeditions sent out to found establishments in the Malouine Islands, belonging to his Catholic Majesty.
Two hundred thousand livres ... according to bills drawn in my favour by the Marquess of Zambrano, Treasurer-General of his Catholic Majesty, upon Don Francisco Ventura Llorena, Treasurer-Extraordinary of the same; and sixty-five thousand six hundred ... drawn by His Excellency the Baylio Fray, Don Julian Arriaga, Secretary of State for the general department of the Indies and navy of his Catholic Majesty.”
Poor, poor Voice whose cretinism makes him believe, that Marquess of Zambrano, Don Francisco Ventura Llorena and Don Julian Arriaga somehow are French, although they appear in official Spanish documents as Spanish year after year.
Poor, poor Voice whose cretinism forces him to make up as he goes and who finds no lie to big to tell.
“In consideration of these payments, as well as in obedience to his Most Christian Majesty’s orders, I am bound to deliver up, in due formality, to the court of Spain, those establishments, along with the families, houses, works, timber, and shipping built there, and employed in the expedition; and, finally, every thing therein belonging to the St. Malo Company, as included in the accounts which are so settled, and to his Most Christian Majesty, by this voluntary cession, making void for ever all claims that the company, or any person interested therein may have, or might produce, upon the treasury of his Most Catholic Majesty; nor can they henceforth demand more pecuniary, or any other compensation whatsoever. In testimony whereof, I set my name to this present instrument and voucher, as one principally interested, as well as authorized to receive the whole of this sum, agreeably to a registry in the department of state in St. Ildefonso, 4th October, 1766.
Jan 29th, 2016 - 08:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don Juan Sheet....
What is your point...?
“In consideration of these payments, as well as in obedience to his Most Christian Majesty’s orders,”
Payments....
He was paid by Spain...
Call it compensation...call sold...whatever you call it....it legally exchanged hands...with the blessing and instruction of the French King...
Nothing to do with Britain....
Settled by France...given...sold...or whatever to Spain....
@83 dab14763
Jan 29th, 2016 - 10:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina are well aware that uti possidetis juris has nothing to do with the UK or Falklands Islands, no matter what propaganda they might bleat.
Otherwise you would bet your last dollar that RG malvinista legal posterboy Marcelo Kohen would mention them in his video lecture 'Uti Possidetis and Maritime Delimitations', found at http://www.un.org/law/avl/
It makes me wonder how many malvinista proclomations he has attempted to get onto the UN's legal library, and has been quietly told they are not up to standard. I'd be amazed if he had not tried...with the raving CFK egging him on.
Whingers never quit. All we need now is for Hepatience of a saint to come along with the never ending 25 year ruling and my day will be complete.
Jan 29th, 2016 - 10:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@89
Jan 30th, 2016 - 04:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“or whatever to Spain..”
Who sailed into Stanley harbour in 1863, exchanging gifts and saluting the Union Jack.
Great way of saying we still have a claim on the Falklands isn't it?
Wouldn't a more appropriate expression of a claim have been the Spanish Navy attacking Stanley in 1863?
It was Spain with a claim on the Falklands, not Argentina, and that claim was dropped.
@83 dab14763
Jan 30th, 2016 - 06:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Tks for the addendum ; it's a pity that the Argies (the ignorant ones, which include many members of Government) can't understand something so simple.
Fascinating though all this stuff is, it's really time to get back to the article at heading. And the one thing that no-one is paying attention to is what Balza did not say. If you read carefully, you will find no actual mention of Argentina's claim on the Falklands. Yes, he talks about the past attitudes of the Argentine government, and makes the point that Argentina must treat the inhabitants with respect. But does he say “and doing this our claim will ultimately prevail and the islands will be come ours !” ? No, he does not. He says absolutely nothing about any kind of final resolution. Here I will restate what I think is Macri's plan. Step one, ratchet down the rhetoric. Step two, begin to introduce doubt as to what the final outcome may be and make it clear that it really doesn't matter because any resolution is so far in the future it really has no relevance to what we are doing now. Step three, stop talking about it altogether. Eventually it becomes a non-issue. Eventually communications will be reestablished with the Islands. If an oil industry does finally take off, Argentina can play an important (and profitable) role in supporting same.
Jan 30th, 2016 - 07:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0All this makes sense because Macri needs a continuing row about the Falkland Islands like he needs a hole in the head. The whole row blew up mainly because the Argentine government of the period wanted the means of diverting the attention of the Argentine populous away from domestic problems. Macri needs the people to be focusing on domestic problems and finding ways of dealing with them. He needs all the help he can get.
92
Jan 30th, 2016 - 08:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Are you having a larff...
Spain couldn't even beat the Dominican Republic in 1863...
Spain was finished and could do nothing else, but try and stay on friendly terms with Britain...
They were even allies in 1861 at the treaty of London...against Mexico...
It proves nothing, but the demise of Spain as a Colonialist power...
Another old chestnut laid to rest...
Got anything else...?
Sounds like Spain acknowledged it no longer had sovereignty, regardless.
Jan 30th, 2016 - 09:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0End of.
@95
Jan 31st, 2016 - 06:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“It proves nothing, but the demise of Spain as a Colonialist power...”
Yes it does.
Spain had a claim on the Falklands, with Britain, which it succeeded from France.
The French claim went to Spain.
Britain did not drop its claim to the Islands, i.e. it did not drop the claim and reinstate it-the claim was never dropped.
Spain did not gift it's claim to Argentina-Spain did not accept Argentina existed for many years after 1810.
So when Spain dropped it's claim the only claimant left was Britain.
So this shows the previous claimants France and Spain withdrew their claims.
Britain did not.
@96 Troy
“Sounds like Spain acknowledged it no longer had sovereignty, regardless.”
Some posters still imagine Spain=United Provinces of the River Plate or Argentina.
Entirely different countries.
Spain has collapsed. Only good for sweet peppers and Brit pensioners on holidays.
Feb 01st, 2016 - 12:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0PONTEFRACTIUOS:: AND TODAY ARGENTINE ISNT DIVERTING?? JEEEE MACRI ISVERY FRIENDLY ,MYESS, HE DOSENT KNOW ANYTHING BOIUT WARS OR SOVEREINGTY HE JUST KNOW ABOUT CORRUPTION AS HIS FAMILY DO BACK ON 70S WHEN WITH 4 COMPANIES STARTED DURING VIDELA PERIOD AND AT THE END OF THAT THEY ENDED UP HAVING MORE THAN 20. MACRI GIVES A DAMN V=BOUT THE ISLAND OR UK HE JUST WANT BUSINESS FORM EVERYONE , I DONT THING HE WILL END UP HIS PERIOD.SECOND IS OUR PROBLEMS BOUT THE DOMESTIC ISSUES, DONT WORRY BOUT THEM BOY. AND AGAIN THE ISLAND ISSUES WILL REMAIN IN THE CONSTITUTUION FOR EVER, NO DOUBT BOUT IT, SO DONT GET TO WARM CAUSE THIS CONTINUE.....BALSA SAY THAT CONVERSATION WOTH THE SQUATTERS MUST BE A NICE ACTITUDE FORM US, HENEVER DECLARED THAT THE ISSUE IS PRO UK, DONT DREAM TOO MUCH BOY.PETE BOG: POST HERE THE DOCUMENT SAYS THAT SPAIN DROPPED THE CLAIM?? JEEEEE, SPAIN PAID TO THE FRENCH AND LEFT........JOOO
Feb 03rd, 2016 - 06:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@99
Feb 03rd, 2016 - 09:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh, look - the demented George's Anus is back!
What happened to the other operator with good English skills?
@ 00
Feb 03rd, 2016 - 09:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0POST HERE THE DOCUMENT SAYS THAT SPAIN DROPPED THE CLAIM???
JEEEEE,SPAIN PAID TO THE FRENCH AND LEFT.......JOOO
Post the document Spain paid French. Numbnut
101
Feb 04th, 2016 - 01:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0ermm....I already have @89...
psst....he's right there is no document that say's Spain dropped their claim...
99
What have I told you about getting some new glasses...?
georgeananus
georgeneurus
@99
Feb 06th, 2016 - 11:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“I DONT THING HE WILL END UP HIS PERIOD.”
Perhaps he can use Pampers (your jet trainer) to shove up his end?
PETE BOG: POST HERE THE DOCUMENT SAYS THAT SPAIN DROPPED THE CLAIM??2
The.Spanish.Navy.sailed.into.Stanley.harbour.in.1863.and.saluted. the.Union.Jack. Work it out shit-for-brains, if Spain still had a claim on the Islands in 1863 they would be protesting British occupation, NOT SALUTING THE BRITISH FLAG.
Also Spanish companies buy fishing licences off the Falkland Island Government-why don't they buy them off the Spanish government if they still claim the Islands?
As we are talking documents, where is the Spanish document that transfers their claim on the Falklands to Argentina?
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