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Malvinas, a dream that can be rescued
Under this heading Dante Caputo, a former Argentine foreign minister (1983/89) with an impeccable domestic and international academic background addresses the 'Malvinas question' and proposes Argentina sets a 2033 target for a new attempt on the Islands, this time trying to convince the Falkland Islanders, and that in seventeen years time, the country is reliable and sovereignty discussions should then take place. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesNot once in that article is there any other option of the Falklands becoming part of Argentina.
Feb 18th, 2016 - 04:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0Until Argentineans actually renounce their claim there is no options available because that will always be their sole goal.
The world can accommodate states with tiny populations whereas it once wasn't viable. Argentina needs to accept the world has changed and their opportunity is now gone.
All that talk of dreams and chimeras, and yet Caputo promptly creates another - based on 2033.
Feb 18th, 2016 - 04:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0As unrealistic as Menem saying that Argentina would own the Falklands by the year 2000.
The British position is clear, that the sovereignty issue is frozen until either hell freezes over or the Islanders say otherwise. I suspect the former is more likely.
“I think the Islands have become a dream that helps to keep our unity and it is their where precisely rests its main value.”
Feb 18th, 2016 - 07:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0So, the only thing that holds Argentina together is a dream of taking over the Falklands. What would happen if it actually happened, then - a break up of Argentina with Falklans independence one result?
We all get these lovely dreams from time to time and then we wake up with a bump and realise it was just that; a dream. It ain't going to happen. Ever.
Feb 18th, 2016 - 07:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0Meanwhile, back in the real world, this is how Argentines treat “foreigners”
Feb 18th, 2016 - 09:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3445968/Barbie-Bandit-never-was.html
Oh how lovely for the Falklsnd Islanders, you're going to be subject to another charm offensive and in 27 years you will all love Argentina and want to be part of their economic miracle.
Feb 18th, 2016 - 09:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0My sdvice would be to take take take as much as these idiots are offering, because in 17 years when they ask you to join them and you say NO, they will really really hate you again.
No cigar for you Dante!
Feb 18th, 2016 - 09:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0What part of “NO” don't you understand?
This bloke sounds just like poor old Axel Arg. What an awful translation? It sounds like a load of muddled twaddle. Its on the right lines though, treating the islanders as human beings instead of squatters would be a good start. But, the Malvinista thugs wont accept this and the intimidation will continue just like it did with the so called Barbie Bandit.
Feb 18th, 2016 - 10:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0Being brainwashed from birth like the average Argentinian is a serious affliction. I doubt that even in the long term that this would make any difference, the Arg government could change making a swift about turn likely and the Falkland Islands is too valuable a base to hand over to anyone else.
Nice turn of phrase about Argentina following a “liturgical strategy”, faith and dogma over facts and reason.
Feb 18th, 2016 - 11:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0I do wonder however, if he's modified his own point of view since this legendary utterance:
“Argentine sovereignity over the Malvinas is not negotiable. That is the starting point for any negotiation”
Dante Caputo, Argentine Foreign Minister, 13 November 1983, quoted in House of Commons Foreign Affairs Committee Report 1983-84
What a load of argie codswallop. As Skip says “Not once in that article is there any other option of the Falklands becoming part of Argentina.”
Feb 18th, 2016 - 11:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0This subject has been virtually beaten to death. But what we can say, because we've discussed it ad nauseum, is that argieland has NO valid claim.
But at least Caputo appears to admit that there were ten years of lying and cheating. I wonder what makes him think that the Islanders will suddenly forget. They haven't forgotten 1982, the charm offensive or what followed it. Including referring to them as squatters and refusing to speak to them.
How curious that his selection of 2033 matches up with Timerman's claim, in 2013, that the Falklands would be under argie control in 20 years. A former foreign minister has similar ideas!
If the hope of stealing the Falkland Islands is the only thing keeping argieland together, one wonders what other countries do to maintain national unity. And we should be glad that Caputo hyas given us two wonderful justifications. First, we can maintain our commitment to the Islanders and keep our promises. Next, we can watch argieland fall apart. Must be a win-win. It is important to note that “The ideas proposed do not deal with what is fair, but with what is achievable, and at the same time, desirable for our country, Argentina.” Same old selfish self-interest.
Just in case Macri does adopt this approach, Islanders can adopt Britworker's approach. “take take take as much as these idiots are offering, because in 17 years when they ask you to join them and you say NO, they will really really hate you again.” Just make sure you don't give them anything.
Here in Britain, we don't really want to come down again and fight another war. Although we will if we have to.
But we might be a little annoyed if you left yourselves wide open, and then asked for help.
Unlike the unthinking twits who on occasion voice their opinions here.
Feb 18th, 2016 - 11:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0This guy does seem vaguely sensible.
And at least she is honest enough to remind us Argentina has enough trouble with the lad it currently occupies.
17 rather than the 25 years that is often quoted.
However again the only option that is acceptable to Argentina is taking over the Falklands.
That is the problem.
Argentina does not control the Falkland Islands, the islanders do.
There is little Argentina can offer the Islanders.
All the Islanders want is to be least alone in peace.
Luckily TMOBA was so afraid of a strong military that they have been so starved of funds so that option is unavailable to Argentina.
Now the Devil's Harpy has gone, Argentines are now allowed to spout some reality rather than the fantasy world they were deluded into.
Feb 18th, 2016 - 11:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0Caputo's name is ironic.
Your claim is Kaput!
Still the head in the sand approach that does not allow Argentine to properly examine and research the Islands history, the viewing of treaties signed between the UK and Spain/Argentina in their ENTIRETY and assumed UN policies toward the Falklands whilst ignoring the bulk that support self determination.
It is this refusal to look, that is the bolas around the Argentine's legs, that will always have their claim crashing to the ground.
It is welcoming to see some realism emerge from the dreamlike fantasy state and self denial that Argentina has been in for the last few years, and the realisation that getting Argentina sorted out, is a priority over a mythical claim.
“My advice would be to take take as much as these idiots are offering, because in 17 years when they ask you to join them and you say NO, they will really really hate you again.”
I hope this will not happen Briton, but I suspect you will be proved correct, unless Argentina change their self destruct mentality.
@1“Not once in that article is there any other option of the Falklands becoming part of Argentina. ”
A great improvement in their perception of reality, but you are right, they still have their heads stuck in the sand, if at least no longer up their jascksie.
“UK was isolated and its reiterated refusals to negotiate had a growing cost.”
No the UK was not isolated-Caputo, whilst not as deluded as CFK, is still in denial.
“From then on two paths were attempted: seduction of the Islanders and later an oral diplomacy based on a strong language, and too often over excited. None of the two had the least result.”
But no recognition that sending free Pingu videos was an insult that implied the Islanders were cave dwellers, rather than people with BETTER education than the Argentines.
Misfire!
Caputo's strategy will not work, Has he learned nothing from the 90s?
Feb 18th, 2016 - 12:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@10.
Feb 18th, 2016 - 12:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A few curious sentences to conclude with.
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Kelpers:
You have more to fear at the hands of the socialists back in the UK than you do from Macaroni's decrepit maritime resources.
Guard the rear.
Can't Argentina and Mercopress talk about anything else?
Feb 18th, 2016 - 12:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@15. OK.
Feb 18th, 2016 - 12:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The purpose of a diversion is to divert attention from a more pressing matter.
Rg has lots of pressing problems.
“I think the Islands have become a dream that helps to keep our unity and it is their where precisely rests its main value.”
Feb 18th, 2016 - 12:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Mr Caputo, if the dream of stealing other people's homes is the only thing that keeps Argentina's unity, then Argentina is in big trouble.
Even if the Falklands were handed over to Argentina tomorrow wrapped in a big bow, what would that do for Argentine unity?
It would shred it, because having a 'grievance' is the only thing that unifies Argentina. So you would manufacture another grievance, and another. But the whole thing is held together with spit and chicken wire. It won't last.
Argentina needs to forget trying to steal other people's property and start living in the real world. If properly managed, and the wealth of the country redistributed to the whole population, through better housing, schools, hospitals, and employment opportunities, then Argentina wouldn't need anything as pathetic as the mythical 'malvinas' to keep you together.
In fact, if you developed Argentina to its full potential, bring in true democracy, get rid of the corruption which is endemic at every level of Argentine society, and start taking responsibility for your countries history, then who knows, maybe (in the distant future) the Falkland Islands may choose to become a part of Argentina.
But it will take longer than 2033 for Argentina to realise these ambitions, because the people at the top don't want the system to change. Why? Because they're the ones making all the money out of it.
So Argentina has nothing to offer the people of the Falklands. They already have self government, their own currency, their own language and laws, their own customs, and they're rich.
So what can Argentina offer them that is better than the freedom they already enjoy?
Answer: NOTHING. And the answer will be the same in 2033.
I didn't realize that rgntiny's problems stemmed from inequality of wealth distribution.
Feb 18th, 2016 - 12:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That explains why cuba is so affluent.
Argentineans - reeeeeeaallly nice, caring people. http://home.bt.com/news/world-news/baby-dolphin-dies-after-tourists-drag-it-out-of-the-ocean-to-take-selfies-11364040968194
Feb 18th, 2016 - 01:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Please Caputo, shut up. Please please, enough.
Feb 18th, 2016 - 01:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Here´s an offer: let´s start working to be the country we used to be back in 1910. Let´s turn into the mos amazing country from the southern hemisphere. Let´s put this Falklands-madness aside for once.
And then, they will be so please to be close to our borders that they will claim for further cooperation. And if they want, and only if that is their will, they may even want to be part of Argentina.
Until that, we keep acting like the laughing stock of the world, with a childish claim, and nobody will want to be with us.
Hell, right now not even I want to stay here, so figure out ...
@17 “Mr Caputo, if the dream of stealing other people's homes is the only thing that keeps Argentina's unity, then Argentina is in big trouble.
Feb 18th, 2016 - 02:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Even if the Falklands were handed over to Argentina tomorrow wrapped in a big bow, what would that do for Argentine unity?
It would shred it, because having a 'grievance' is the only thing that unifies Argentina. So you would manufacture another grievance, and another. But the whole thing is held together with spit and chicken wire. It won't last.”
Caputo didn't say that Malvinas was the ONLY thing uniting Argentina, only that is helps. I don't think Malvinas is the only thing uniting Argentina.
“Argentina needs to forget trying to steal other people's property and start living in the real world. If properly managed, and the wealth of the country redistributed to the whole population, through better housing, schools, hospitals, and employment opportunities, then Argentina wouldn't need anything as pathetic as the mythical 'malvinas' to keep you together.”
We could be the best country in the world, but without Malvinas, we will always have the grievance. And if we renounced our claim and bend over to you, people like you will say that we are pathetic stupid people who fell for lies for decades.
No, the only way we can recover our dignity is to be right, for our history to be right, and this means we must win. Anything else and we will be ridiculed and denigrated, even if we were the best country in the world.
This doesn't mean that I don't want my country to be better, but alone it is not enough.
@20 The country we used to be back in 1910 is gone forever. If you don't like it, you can leave whenever you want... but good luck finding a good country that will let you in.
@ 21
Feb 18th, 2016 - 02:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Even if the Falklands were handed over to Argentina tomorrow wrapped in a big bow, what would that do for Argentine unity?”
SPOT ON.
Sometimes I wish they make the move just to see what happens. Are we going to be a better place? suddenly we all will love each other and boost our economy? we know the answer: NO. It will be a fight to see who´s gonna take credit for it.
If it was up to me, I would annex Argentina TO the FI ....
“The country we used to be back in 1910 is gone forever. If you don't like it, you can leave whenever you want... but good luck finding a good country that will let you in.”
:´(
Again, that´s probably right. We ruined it.
I will probably be allowed to enter a good country for several reasons, but it is sad to think that everything is lost. Let´s not go as far as 1910, just think about the 80s, the Argentina where I had my childhood does not look at all like present day Argentina.
“And if we renounced our claim and bend over to you, people like you will say that we are pathetic stupid people who fell for lies for decades.”
Feb 18th, 2016 - 02:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0OK, don't renounce your Falklands claim. People will still correctly observe that you [argentistanis] are undeniably pathetic, stupid, corrupt, naive, unreliable, thieving, irresponsible, dishonest, self-deceiving, pretentious, inept, underhanded, harebrained, mendacious, cheating, arrogant, populist, whinging, slimy, hierba-sucking greaseballs who fell for lies for decades.
What about whining?
Feb 18th, 2016 - 03:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Throwing insults is not the way. In no way.
Feb 18th, 2016 - 03:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Of course, if Argentina drops its claim (as I firmly believe it should) people in the UK and the FI and Chile will celebrate, they will say “RGs gave up!!!!!” and all kind of mockery.
But I rather deal with that and be understood by the smart people of the world, than keep making my own country to look bad before everybody. We already have the laughs of idiots. Let´s have now the respect of those who matter.
Take some war refugees.
Feb 18th, 2016 - 03:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Liberate Syria.
Cure cancer.
Discover a new astrophysics principle.
Oops.
rgntiny lacks the capacity to do anything of substance.
@21 MagnusMaster
Feb 18th, 2016 - 03:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So despite the fact that Argentina is in the wrong you won't drop your illegal and spurious claim because you feel it will make you look weak, and liars.
Well MagnusMaster I hate to break this to you but you are weak and you have been lying for decades.
How do I know that you're weak? Well every time your pathetic former government opened it's mouth and screeched on the international stage about:
1. Britain militarising the South Atlantic with only 1,200 military personnel (when Argentina has approx 75,000).
2. Calling the Falklands the largest NATO base in the world (big lie there that's easily disproved).
3. Not being able to tell the difference between a nuclear powered and a nuclear armed submarine (like we'd have to park our nuclear armed submarine off Argentina's shore if we wanted to bomb you - instead of comfortably doing it from thousands of miles away).
4. Calling the Type 45 Destroyer the Death Star in front of the WHOLE world at the UN!!!!
5. Stating that the UK military were holding the people of the Falklands hostage (remember that big lie).
In fact I would run out of characters if I listed the number of times Argentina has made itself look weak and been caught out telling lies on the international stage.
Face it, you're already considered weak and liars, as well as pariahs. I know your new government is trying to change that image but it's gonna take time. Rome wasn't built in a day, and reputations are rebuilt overnight.
But you can make a start by dropping your false claim to the Falklands, because lets face it, even if the events of 1833 happened just like Argentina said (but that's a lie too), it couldn't and wouldn't override the right of the Falkland Islanders to self determination.
Because if it did, the whole world map would have to change, including Argentina giving back swathes of territory that you usurped AFTER 1833 to its original owners.
NEVER going to happen, is it?
So wake up, smell the coffee and grow up.
@ 27
Feb 18th, 2016 - 03:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well put
What Argentina actually needs is a face saving get out of the Falkland situation that satisfies the Malvinista morons. Precious Latino machismo is at stake here. They still need to strut. As it is they are clearly frustrated serial losers and that gnaws away at their pride.
Feb 18th, 2016 - 04:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Any suggestions Voiceof Think?
The rg piñata is just to easy beat.
Feb 18th, 2016 - 04:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The same can be said for the rest of the latam commies/socialists.
rgntiny squanders a wealth of natural resources.
Chavistan has gargantuan lines for food and personal products that are ubiquitous and inexpensive elsewhere.
Cubanos drive 50+ year old cars and live lives of subsistence.
It's a handicap being calabrian but universal corruption and socialism is an insurmountable obstacle.
@25 The people that matter are like Kissinger, people who only respect strength and power. If we drop our claim, we are only making ourselves inferior to them, FOREVER. We must stand up to them, not bend over.
Feb 18th, 2016 - 04:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@27 ”Face it, you're already considered weak and liars, as well as pariahs. I know your new government is trying to change that image but it's gonna take time. Rome wasn't built in a day, and reputations are rebuilt overnight.
But you can make a start by dropping your false claim to the Falklands, because lets face it, even if the events of 1833 happened just like Argentina said (but that's a lie too), it couldn't and wouldn't override the right of the Falkland Islanders to self determination.“
Well, if that is the case, then the vast mayority of Argentines would argue self-determination is wrong.
But anyway, we will never drop our claim, because that would not make us stronger or more respected, in fact it will make us weak and liars FOREVER and we will forever be inferior in the eyes of people like you. I know you Anglo-Saxons love thinking you are good, perfect and that is good for you is good for everyone, but I won't fall into your trap. I will not ask for my country to bend down to you, and accept that we Argentines are inferior in the process. I will always stand up for my nation, even if it means standing up to holier-than-thou we-are-superior-and-better-than-you assholes like you.
@29 ”What Argentina actually needs is a face saving get out of the Falkland situation that satisfies the Malvinista morons.”
The only face saving get out situation that satisfies the Malvinistas, and will recover the dignity of Argentines, is to get the islands. I know you don't like it, and that you prefer some other outcome, but that is the case.
@24 “What about whining?”
Feb 18th, 2016 - 04:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sorry. That is what whinging is all about.
@25 “Throwing insults is not the way. In no way.”
Insults? What insults? I was merely listing the positive qualities with which Argentistan is identified when it makes a claim to someone else's islands. It's for much the same reason that when you look up “hazmerreír” on Wikipedia you will see a picture of Cristina Kirchner talking about the Falklands.
I just don't feel good about picking on rgntiny.
Feb 18th, 2016 - 05:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's too easy.
It smacks of bullying.
And it's hard to do worse to it than the rgs have already done.
@31 MagnusMaster
Feb 18th, 2016 - 05:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No your claim doesn't make you look strong. It makes you weak. You yearn after someone else's territory but you can't actually do anything to get that territory.
You tried the military option, and despite Argentina having more troops, a shorter supply line, comparable or better weapons systems than the British. It was a war that EVERY military expert on the planet said the British couldn't possibly win. And who won that war, Magnus? It wasn't Argentina was it? The world saw just how weak Argentina really is.
The fact that you think stealing people's land makes you somehow strong is an erroneous assumption that may have been considered true at one time, but no longer. The age of Empires is over and done with, and it's about time that Argentina put it's imperial aspirations aside.
Also because you so casually say that because international law doesn't side with you (self determination) you want to circumvent it and break the law. Well you tried that didn't you. And you lost.
So why if you claim is so solid do you need to break the law? Oh that's right because you want to look strong, when you are actually weak, and to appear truthful, when everyone in the world can see that you're lying.
Face it you are liars and you are weak. The world sees it. Your bluster and attempts to steal other people's property doesn't make you appear strong and truthful. The world laughs at the funny clown Argentina. They don't take you seriously, they never will until you wake up and face reality.
Oh and us 'Anglo-saxons' don't think that we're always rights etc... Unlike you we have admitted our past mistakes and wrongs. Unlike you we have learned from history.
Saving face, what face? When the world looks at Argentina they see a bunch of weak macho liars, who want to steal land from everyone.
I assume that you believe that to appear strong you can only do that by stealing and subjugating people. Remember though next time the British will take the gloves off.
@21
Feb 18th, 2016 - 05:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“It would shred it, because having a 'grievance' is the only thing that unifies Argentina.”
True, but there's always those little islands in the Beagle Channel that they claim from Chile. Certainly they can start a war on account of that.
(Argentina signed an agreement giving up their claims to those islands? Sure -- but in 1850 they signed an agreement giving up their claims to the Falklands too, and we all know what Argentina's word is worth.)
@34 “The fact that you think stealing people's land makes you somehow strong is an erroneous assumption that may have been considered true at one time, but no longer. The age of Empires is over and done with, and it's about time that Argentina put it's imperial aspirations aside.”
Feb 18th, 2016 - 06:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, right, we should subjugate to the Anglo-Saxon capitalist empire, the one in which empires don't exist yet people are forced to learn English and respect you and in which Latinos are inferior animals with no rights, right? The age of empires will never be over as long as one race subjugates all others. If the age of empires was truly over the West wouldn't be ruling.
“Face it you are liars and you are weak. The world sees it. Your bluster and attempts to steal other people's property doesn't make you appear strong and truthful. The world laughs at the funny clown Argentina. They don't take you seriously, they never will until you wake up and face reality.”
Yes, and you want us to be happy being weak and inferior. That is what you call facing reality, and what you love pointing out every time you post. LEPRecon, always proud to be superior for being British, because the British won in 1982, asking me to face reality. Well guess what
I WILL NOT FACE REALITY
MY NATION WILL NOT FACE REALITY
WE WILL CHANGE REALITY
AND I WILL MAKE SURE SCUM LIKE YOU PAY FOR DENIGRATING US
And thanks, LEPRecon, for making me realize that you British will only respect us when we get payback for 1982. Because if we do what you say, and drop our claim, and bend over to you, you will always say you are superior and you proved that in 1982. I know how the human mind works, and how people work. And that is how I know you are no different than the Anglo-Saxons on the other side of the atlantic that want to build a wall between the USA and Mexico and think apartheid was right and think blacks are mentally retarded.
@36
Feb 18th, 2016 - 08:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I WILL NOT FACE REALITY
MY NATION WILL NOT FACE REALITY
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Bingo.
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“ ....if we do what you say, and drop our claim, and bend over to you, you will always say you are superior and you proved that in 1982......”
Obvio.. ..And not just in 1982.
If I were argento I would be so ashamed of it that when I traveled internationally I would hide the termo and tell people that I am Bolivian.
, Dante Caputo
Feb 18th, 2016 - 08:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Let me make you an offer, you cant refuse.
b Dante Caputo ut the objective is that Islanders can reside for as long as they wish in our country, be involved in all activities, in principle, with no limitations at all. Trade, medical care, education at all levels are examples of activities and services to which Islanders would have access.
Again they insult the islanders, [ reside for as long as they wish in our country ]
Offering you everything, as if you don’t have it, and would sell your mother for a bar of that delicious chocolate that you never had,
Remember the prison gangster who offers you everything, just ask, it’s all free,
Once you have bitten the poison apple, then he sends his enforcers for payment,
With the reminder, no one forced you to take our offer,
Now you must pay the price,
I knew I’d seen him somewhere, is he not the adviser to the Gambino family.
Just a thought.
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Argentistan as Mephistopheles ! Of course !
Feb 18th, 2016 - 09:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Hare, with his queer, Mephistophelian countenance, was the wickeder of the two....” (A Book of Remarkable Criminals, by H. B. Irving).
@36 MagnusMaster
Feb 18th, 2016 - 09:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In that one post you have shown just how inferior you believe yourself to be, and how inferior you believe Argentina to be.
Where in my post did I say that the British were or are superior? I didn't. I stated that Argentina showed the world its weakness by losing a war that every single military expert on the planet says you should have won. Not from the moral point of view, but from the fact that you had more troops, shorter supply lines, and weaponry that was in some cases more advanced or at least on par with the weaponry that the British had.
If you read that into meaning that you are inferior then so be it.
As for you knowing what I am, and what I believe is a little arrogant, don't you think? Your racism is now showing through, and like many 'malvinistas' on here your resort to name calling when you realise that your argument has been picked apart.
As for the British only respecting when you get 'revenge' for 1982 that is pathetic and quite frankly one of the most stupid statements you've ever posted.
Respect is earned. You don't have Britain's respect because your country lies, it wants to steal territory that doesn't belong to you, and you want to sh!t all over the human rights of the people who do own that territory.
You see, people respect people who deserve respect. Why should anyone respect Argentina? What have you EVER done to deserve respect? The answer is nothing.
And should you ever be stupid enough to try and invade the Falklands again, though how and with what you'd do it is anyones guess considering the fact that you don't have any serviceable aircraft, your ships sink in port, and your submarine has a big self inflicted hole in the side, the UK will take the gloves off. No amount of begging by the US will stop us bombing the sh!t out of military targets in Argentina.
Just to make your day look at this link:
https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/study-finds-uk-is-second-most-powerful-country-in-the-world/
Still feel inferior?
@41 “In that one post you have shown just how inferior you believe yourself to be, and how inferior you believe Argentina to be.”
Feb 18th, 2016 - 09:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What I believe is based on my experience and the experience of Latinos all over the world.
“As for you knowing what I am, and what I believe is a little arrogant, don't you think? Your racism is now showing through, and like many 'malvinistas' on here your resort to name calling when you realise that your argument has been picked apart.”
If I am racist it is because Anglo-Saxons are racist to Latinos all the time. When you stop being racist then I can stop being racist. And yes, I know what kind of person you are. Always thinking you are better than everyone else.
“As for the British only respecting when you get 'revenge' for 1982 that is pathetic and quite frankly one of the most stupid statements you've ever posted.
Respect is earned. You don't have Britain's respect because your country lies, it wants to steal territory that doesn't belong to you, and you want to sh!t all over the human rights of the people who do own that territory.”
Yes, respect is earned. But by being strong, not by bending over. It is not human nature to respect those who bend over.
I am now reminded of why Argentina will never be strong, nor respected, nor successful.
Feb 18th, 2016 - 10:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 02033?
Feb 18th, 2016 - 11:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That's about the time when the next military dictatorship is throwing the next bunch of people into the Atlantic, ain't it?
This chappie 's got an interesting approach.
Feb 18th, 2016 - 11:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If he can make the Falkland Islanders love to be poor, corrupt and bang pots and pans instead of being wealthy, he may be able to persude them.
You Argies are pathetic, all you want is to save face, you don't need the FALKLANDS and anyway IF and a big IF what would you do with them as the FALKLANDERS are certainly not going to “ bend over to you ”
Feb 18th, 2016 - 11:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 041
Feb 18th, 2016 - 11:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I feel slightly bad for you reading your posts. There is some merit in what you are saying for sure and you may be interested in a book called Bounce by Matthew Syed. He takes an in depth look at the perception of strength and talent. Having said that, this is the game of life and it's dog eat dog I'm afraid so nobody's going to throw you a free bone.
Lep
Superb posts tonight mate. Really superb.
I just read some great news in an Argentin newspaper, excellent news for a Falkland Island teacher: The Argentine government is offering a salary of 8,500 pesos to teachers in 2016 - that's £400.30 - you can get rich overnight moving to Argentina.
Feb 18th, 2016 - 11:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The UK will return the Malvinas within 25 years.
Feb 18th, 2016 - 11:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 025 SebaSvtz says:
Feb 18th, 2016 - 11:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”Of course, if Argentina drops its claim (as I firmly believe it should) people in the UK and the FI and Chile will celebrate, they will say “RGs gave up!!!!!” and all kind of mockery.”
T o be sure, but how long will it last?
Assuming Argentina at long last gets her house in order, I would venture to guess, that 5-6-7 years later, the Falkland Islanders will begin to visit Argentina as friendly tourists, and welcome a limited number of (more) Argentinos as immigrants.
“But anyway, we will never drop our claim, because that would not make us stronger or more respected, in fact it will make us weak and liars FOREVER and we will forever be inferior in the eyes of people like you.”
Feb 19th, 2016 - 01:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0Any Argentine that can admit their claim is worthless and unwanted, and accept that they have far bigger problems to deal with and that the Falklands is simply a political tool wielded by those in power to unify the masses, will earn my deepest respect, forever.
To come to that state, after so much Governmental indoctrination, would earn a superb degree of respect from anybody with true knowledge of that poor, once great, currently bedraggled nation.
Admitting errors, mistakes and proving that you can see beyond the propaganda is worthy of respect.... unlike the weak-minded indoctrinated fools of both sides who can do nought but repeat the latest buzz phrase.
“”“”If I am racist it is because Anglo-Saxons are racist to Latinos all the time. When you stop being racist then I can stop being racist. “”“”
So, you want to simply perpetuate racism... that's... *sigh*
“”“”The UK will return the Malvinas within 25 years.“”“”
I think you said that 25 years ago... and 25 before that.... you do know that it will never happen dont you? a) Because you cant return something that was never yours b) its up to the Islanders not Britain and c) you will have to return Patagonia to the natives if you dont want to be hypocrites.
(50) Anbar
Feb 19th, 2016 - 07:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0You say...:
“Any Argentine that can admit their claim is worthless and unwanted, and accept that they have far bigger problems to deal with and that the Falklands is simply a political tool wielded by those in power to unify the masses, will earn my deepest respect, forever.”
I say...:
This Argentinean admits that our claim seems worthless and is unwanted by the Engrish pirates and accepts that we Argies have far bigger problems to deal with and that the Malvinas/Falklands, too often, are simply a political tool wielded by those in power to unify the masses... Please send all your deepest, eternal respect to...:
El Think
Chubut, Argentina.
Think baby, l don't care whether you drop your ridiculous “claim” or not.
Feb 19th, 2016 - 09:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0ln fact l hope you DON'T drop it.
Anything to keep you lot perpetually frustrated & gnashing your teeth will amuse me.
lf you as a nation(snigger), can't see this then you'll get no sympathy from me.
Look, Think, & ferment inside.
Suck it up baby.
The sad thing is if Argentina followed this plan and made themselves rich succesful respected on the world stage . they wouldnt need the islands and could have a proper relationship with the islands much like the states are beginning to have with cuba. But that would involved actually doing hard work and facing facts.
Feb 19th, 2016 - 11:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0I wonder if Chile's earlier offer to provide defence assistance to the islands is still good? It wouldn't take very many chilenos to keep the entire argento military at bay and whimpering.
Feb 19th, 2016 - 01:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@47
Feb 19th, 2016 - 01:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Is that $8,500 pesos for one week, one month or a year. LOL. I would not get out of bed for that. I get just $ 3465 per week from private and government pensions, no big deal.
@41 MagnusMaster
Feb 19th, 2016 - 04:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Yes, respect is earned. But by being strong, not by bending over. It is not human nature to respect those who bend over.”
No respect is earned by being honest, truthful, hardworking and caring. You say it's not human nature to respect those who bend over, but what respect do tyrants, murderers and liars get?
None. And since you are all for oppressing the Falkland Islanders, stealing their homes and land, and if necessary ethnically cleanse the islands, and since you lie about everything to do with the islands, including it's history, is why you don't (and by you I mean Argentina as a country) get any respect. From anyone.
You haven't earned it. You're all too busy going on about 'me, me, me, me' with never one thought about how you can make your own society better. People like you MagnusMaster are the real problem with Argentina. Always thinking about yourself and what YOU can get, but never a thought for your neighbours and how you could help them.
And this 'grievance' about the Falklands is the ONLY thing that Argentina has. Marci is trying to change it, but you will never be whole as a country until you all start working for the greater good. Until you all stop looking with envious eyes at what others have, whilst ignoring all that you actually have. Until you stop the corruption, and stop the politicians who use the mythical 'malvinas' as a distraction to the masses (such as yourself) whilst they steal all of your money.
But there is NOTHING Argentina can do, legally or otherwise, to gain title over the Falkland Islands.
I mean for the last decade your looney government has begged Brazil, Venezuela, Chile, Uruguay, China and Russia to all come and fight those 'nasty' Brits on your behalf, and they've all told Argentina where you can stick it.
Grow up, smell the coffee, work towards making Argentina a better place, and who knows one day the Falkland may want to willingly join you. Or you can keep on dreaming and getting nowhere.
@56 “No respect is earned by being honest, truthful, hardworking and caring. You say it's not human nature to respect those who bend over, but what respect do tyrants, murderers and liars get?”
Feb 19th, 2016 - 07:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You seem to be confusing how individuals earn respect with how countries get respect. Yes, in most societies today being honest, truthful, hardworking and caring earns you respect.
“You haven't earned it. You're all too busy going on about 'me, me, me, me' with never one thought about how you can make your own society better. People like you MagnusMaster are the real problem with Argentina. Always thinking about yourself and what YOU can get, but never a thought for your neighbours and how you could help them.”
I do work for the greater good. The greater good of my country, not of my neighbors and definitely not of humanity. As long as nations exist, your nation always comes first.
”And this 'grievance' about the Falklands is the ONLY thing that Argentina has. Marci is trying to change it, but you will never be whole as a country until you all start working for the greater good. Until you all stop looking with envious eyes at what others have, whilst ignoring all that you actually have. Until you stop the corruption, and stop the politicians who use the mythical 'malvinas' as a distraction to the masses (such as yourself) whilst they steal all of your money.”
For Argentina, there is no greater good without Malvinas. Without Malvinas we will never be whole. We could be the very best country in the world, but without Malvinas, it would not matter. In fact, without Malvinas, Argentina cannot ever become a better place, because Malvinas IS the greater good of Argentina, just like jihad is the greater good of Islam. If you don't like this, then we will be always your enemy.
The trouble with being brainwashed, is that you know nothing else,
Feb 19th, 2016 - 07:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Right and truth is irrelevant and only what you are told is the truth,
If your leaders all of a sudden decided to re-open old wounds and re-claim parts of Chile Brazil
And other South American countries, you brainwashed would be on here telling us, it’s your given right to take back your territory,
One day, before Argentina collapses into oblivion, you people may well awaken from your dreamlands fantasies and realise you have a claim on Nothing,
Wake up, go home and be grateful for what you have,
Rather than what you may well end up with, if you keep pushing these fantasies of yours.
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Oops, there is something I forgot to say.
Feb 19th, 2016 - 07:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, in most societies today being honest, truthful, hardworking and caring earns you respect. BUT nations are respected for being powerful, NOT for being, well, peaceful, unless they are small pushover countries. In fact, when these respected individuals work for the greater good of their nation, they are working so that their murdering leaders can kill more people. You think tyrants, murderers and liars are not respected, but what about people like Henry Kissinger and George W Bush? They lead countries that killed millions of people, and were scumbags, yet they are respected and it is thanks to millions of honest, caring, handworking individuals that the USA can have the largest army in the world. Cooperation and competition are not mutually exclusive, they work hand in hand.
BUT nations are respected for being powerful, NOT for being, well, peaceful
Feb 19th, 2016 - 07:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Technically and actually this is not entirely true,
Very few respect power,= they Fear it,
More countries respect peaceful countries [unless you are a violent uncaring aggressor]
Take Switzerland, even Germany respected their neutrality.
So in some respects your version is not entirely true,
Vietnam had no respect for the most powerful nation on earth, and proved it so,
Argentina had no respect for a tiny peaceful unharmed non aggressive islands called the Falkland’s.
One tends to think that it depends on who is the aggressor, and who is the victim,
just an opinion.
@36
Feb 19th, 2016 - 07:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Because if we do what you say, and drop our claim, and bend over to you, you will always say you are superior and you proved that in 1982.”
You clearly have NO idea WHATSOEVER about the British psyche, which is WHY your last government of mental cases's policy towards the Falklands made it MORE, not less likely than ever, that the Islands will NEVER be Argentine.
If your government were ever intelligent enough to move out of your 19th century 'let's copy the British 19th century colonial mindset' and into the 21st century and drop your claim-so weak that you will not take it to the ICJ, you will find that Argentina would gain a huge amount of respect from the UK and the world.
As for crowing about 1982, we are more likely to do that if you CONTINUE your baseless claim, to remind you of how unsuccessful your policy of 'not bending over, of ignoring 21st century democracy and the 21st century rights of people was'.
'Not bending over' LOST you a war from which your armed forces have NEVER recovered.
In 1982 you had fairly modern jet fighters.
In 2016 your borders are being patrolled by TURBOPROP trainers.
This is how successful your 'never bend over' policy is!
Whether you drop your claim or not, YOU.STILL.LOST.IN.1982.
The Falkland Islands are STILL run by the Falkland Islanders!
Continuing your claim, full of historic flaws and blatant lies, is an excellent reason for us to bring up 1982, to remind you of how your policy of 'not bending over' does not work.
The victory in 1982 does not depend on whether you drop your claim or not.
We won against a fascist dictatorship and liberated the rightful inhabitants of the Falkland Islands from your temporary squatters and pirates.
No doubt you despise Macri's policy of trying to deal with the holdouts, securing diplomatic credibility, trashed by the previous bunch of idiots in charge of your country.
Now, Argentina's credibilty in the world has increased greatly in just TWO months.
@60 “Vietnam had no respect for the most powerful nation on earth, and proved it so,
Feb 19th, 2016 - 07:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina had no respect for a tiny peaceful unharmed non aggressive islands called the Falkland’s.”
These islands (which are not so tiny) belong to the second most powerful nation on earth. The kelpers are the powerful, not the victims.
@61 “If your government were ever intelligent enough to move out of your 19th century 'let's copy the British 19th century colonial mindset' and into the 21st century and drop your claim-so weak that you will not take it to the ICJ, you will find that Argentina would gain a huge amount of respect from the UK and the world.”
Your British psyche is to pretend you respect others while in reality you think you are superior to everyone, and you can't hide that.
“As for crowing about 1982, we are more likely to do that if you CONTINUE your baseless claim, to remind you of how unsuccessful your policy of 'not bending over, of ignoring 21st century democracy and the 21st century rights of people was'.
'Not bending over' LOST you a war from which your armed forces have NEVER recovered.
In 1982 you had fairly modern jet fighters.
In 2016 your borders are being patrolled by TURBOPROP trainers.
This is how successful your 'never bend over' policy is!
Whether you drop your claim or not, YOU.STILL.LOST.IN.1982.
The Falkland Islands are STILL run by the Falkland Islanders!
Continuing your claim, full of historic flaws and blatant lies, is an excellent reason for us to bring up 1982, to remind you of how your policy of 'not bending over' does not work.
The victory in 1982 does not depend on whether you drop your claim or not.”
Bending over, by definition, is not successful. It is surrendering your humanity to the strong. Yes, we lost in 1982, so to recover our dignity we must recover, but we cannot recover by bending over. If we bend over, we lose, forever. We can only win by opposing you, the people that oppress us.
@62 Magnus,
Feb 19th, 2016 - 09:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Please provide an example of how we “oppress” you.
Stop feeling sorry for yourself.
@62
Feb 19th, 2016 - 09:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Pibe llorón.
MagnusMaster when will you return the provinces Chaco, Formosa and Misiones, which you stole from the rightful owner, Paraguay?
Feb 19th, 2016 - 09:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0MagnusMaster when will you return Patagonia, which you stole from the rightful owners, the indigenous people?
MagnusMaster when will you return Argentina, which you stole from the rightful owner, Spain?
MagnusMaster
Feb 19th, 2016 - 10:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So according to you, no one in Argentina can ever work towards the greater good of improving your country FOR everyone (not just the select corrupt few at the top) until you have stolen the Falklands and oppressed them? You're deluded.
As for the Falklands Islanders, in 1982, they were the victims of Argentina. Victims who were held at gun point, locked up without proper access to food and water, and who didn't know whether your precious Argentina were going to murder them all.
In 1982 (which is what YOU and YOUR fellow Argentines always conveniently forget), the UK wasn't considered a powerful nation. In fact we were in decline on the brink of bankruptcy, and we didn't blame others for the state we were in. Hence why our weaponry was old. Our Aircraft were at least 2 generations BEHIND the aircraft that Argentina had.
But the UK pulled itself out of this decline until we're now considered the second most powerful nation on earth.
You Argentines love to play the 'victim'. You're not the victim you're the bully. You're very 'brave' when tackling countries that are weaker than yourselves (you said it yourself you believe that's the only way you can earn respect - which is nonsense), but when someone stands up to you, you run screaming into the night, crying about how the big bad ______ (insert British, UN, EU, USA, IMF, Paris Club, hedge fund here), are picking on you.
And you're worried about appearing weak if you admit that your countries claim to the Falklands is false? Yet you're happy to actually be seen to be weak by crying like a spoilt 5 year old who can't have their way.
As others have said, your country has stolen territory of other countries, and nearly all of it AFTER 1833. So when are you going to give that back?
As for your assertion of how the 'whole' world treats all 'Latinos' as you put it. How do they treat 'Latinos'? How do you know how the whole world treats them, and what arrogance to assume that you can speak on their behalf.
@66 ”In 1982 (which is what YOU and YOUR fellow Argentines always conveniently forget), the UK wasn't considered a powerful nation. In fact we were in decline on the brink of bankruptcy, and we didn't blame others for the state we were in. Hence why our weaponry was old. Our Aircraft were at least 2 generations BEHIND the aircraft that Argentina had.
Feb 19th, 2016 - 10:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But the UK pulled itself out of this decline until we're now considered the second most powerful nation on earth.“
More reason for us to not bend over.
”As for your assertion of how the 'whole' world treats all 'Latinos' as you put it. How do they treat 'Latinos'? How do you know how the whole world treats them, and what arrogance to assume that you can speak on their behalf.”
Well, I can't speak about the whole world, but I can speak about the people that rule the world, the Americans... they will certainly elect an anti-Latino president, maybe even Donald Trump, who said horrible stuff about Latinos.
MagnusMaster
Feb 19th, 2016 - 10:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0when is Argentina going to return the stolen huge territories to their rightful owners?
MagnusMaster
are you aware that a ceasefire is not a peace treaty, so no treaty was signed after Argentina's defeat in 1982?
That means that the UK is entitled to attack Argentina at will, simply by terminating the ceasefire. Annoy the UK sufficiently and the next primeminister may firebomb Buenos Aires to teach you a lesson - an action you seem to endorse.
67
Feb 19th, 2016 - 10:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Buck up and get a grip and stop blaming everyone else for your predicament. Next you'll be claiming that Latinos are our slaves. FFS grow a pair, go out and roll up your sleeves and do some work.
What do you actually do? I knew a guy once who sounded just like you. So obsessed with the notion that he and his people were oppressed that he convinced himself that there was no hope. Meanwhile loads of his fellow countrymen were working hard and making plenty of money and sending their kids to the best schools, etc. It often seems like the weak, stupid and lazy carry on like you do.
I could be wrong but tell me, what do you do? How well off are you?
...and read Bounce (Matthew Syed) before you plague the next generation of your family with the same pathetic infliction.
@67 MagnusMaster
Feb 20th, 2016 - 12:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0Donald Trump isn't he whole world. He isn't even representative of the majority of Americans.
No one is asking Argentina to bend over (that's all in your deluded mind). But we are asking that you accept reality. That you accept International Law (like you promised to when you signed the UN Charter), that you keep your word (like you promised to when you signed the UN Charter), and that you stop blaming the 'world' for you own self inflicted problems.
You so desperately want respect, yet you actually don't understand what respect is. You believe respect is only given to those who are powerful. Wrong. Very wrong.
And because you can't get past the mistaken belief that respect is only earned or given to the powerful, you have massive insecurity and inferiority issues. All of which are self inflicted.
The only people who believe that Argentines are inferior are people like YOU.
I don't believe that any person is inferior to another, no matter their nationality, race, religion, wealth or how powerful they are.
You do realise that the majority of people in the UK don't give Argentina a second thought? Why? Because quite frankly you're not important to us. You don't affect our day to day lives. The only time you register in the British consciousness is when you try to steal our land, or when you make fools of yourselves at the UN (and don't we all have a good laugh over that!).
The only people oppressing Argentines are Argentines themselves. Your victim mentality is now so ingrained that you refuse to accept any responsibility for anything that your country does and always blame it on 'someone' else.
But it's nice to know that 3,000 UK citizens, and 1,200 UK military personnel can have such a profound affect on 40,000,000 Argentines.
No wonder you feel so weak, but it is still all self inflicted.
@62
Feb 20th, 2016 - 01:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“ but we cannot recover by bending over. If we bend over, we lose, forever.”
You had the chance to fight on in 1982-why did you surrender?
If your mentality of not bend over is ingrained in Argentine society, why when a handful of SAS troopers attacked Pebble Island did the Argentine garrison virtually withdraw, yet days before were quite happy to bully the islands unarmed inhabitants?
Why did you let a force of paras , a third of the number of the Argentine garrison capture Goose Green. I guess they were too busy bullying the unarmed inhabitants that you locked up without inadequate toilet facilities, while your 'valiant, brave 'troops shit inside bedrooms?
Why did your garrison there bend over?
You had superior numbers of troops in 1982, were better supplied, had established bases, good defensive positions, yet you bent over then.
Why?
@71 Galtieri and his troops were inept. They truly disgraced our country.
Feb 20th, 2016 - 06:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“A dream that can be rescued” It can't be rescued. It needs to be dropped... permanently. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3IAOJn4l1Ls
Feb 20th, 2016 - 07:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@72 MagnusMaster
Feb 20th, 2016 - 10:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So Galtieri and his troops disgraced Argentina by losing the war, but didn't disgrace Argentina by murdering thousands of unarmed Argentine civilians?
My, my, no wonder no one respects you as you support the murder of unarmed civilians, and only condemn the men responsible for those murders when they fail to steal, oppress and murder other unarmed civilians.
You're a despicable person, aren't you?
@74 Well, the military junta did disgrace Argentina by murdering thousands of civilians. But losing the war made him an even bigger disgrace.
Feb 20th, 2016 - 10:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0MagnusMaster
Feb 20th, 2016 - 10:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0why do you avoid to answer these simple questions?
The most likely explication is, that you live by viveza criolla = a creep.
So tell us MagnusMaster, when is Argentina going to return the stolen huge territories to their rightful owners?
So tell us MagnusMaster, are you aware that a ceasefire is not a peace treaty, so no treaty was signed after Argentina's defeat in 1982?
That means that the UK is entitled to attack Argentina at will, simply by terminating the ceasefire. Annoy the UK sufficiently and the next primeminister may firebomb Buenos Aires to teach you a lesson - an action you seem to endorse.
@75 MagnusMaster
Feb 20th, 2016 - 10:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The fact that you don't see your own hypocrisy is amazing.
You only condemn them after they lost the war. If they'd've won the war (no doubt murdering the citizens of the Falkland Islands too), they wouldn't have been a disgrace in your eyes?
You're pathetic. And as I said before, it's people like YOU that are the real problem in Argentina. It's people like you that spread hatred. And it's people like you who scream about freedom on one hand, yet want to desperately deny to anyone who gets in YOUR way on the other.
But you can now go away and cry yourself to sleep in knowledge that the Falkland Islands will be safe from Argentine imperialist colonial ambitions from now until the end of time.
And since Argentina has NOTHING other than this made up grievance to unite you, I foresee Argentina disappearing up its own hoop very soon, as you all turn on each other.
Or maybe you'll be lucky and Brazil or Chile will take pity on you and invade Argentina and put you all out of your self inflicted misery.
And the people of the Falklands will go from strength to strength, continue to be successful and rich, and one day may choose to become an independent nation, but one thing I'm sure of is that they'll never willingly be Argentine, and because Argentina is so corrupt and weak, they'll never unwillingly be Argentine either.
And since YOU only respect strength you must have loads of respect for the British right now, and none for your own country. No wonder you're so fecked up, and no wonder Argentina is so fecked up. Because of people like YOU.
@76 Since they indigenous people have bent over, like you want us to do, we have no need to return any land to them. However, they should definitely be treated better.
Feb 21st, 2016 - 02:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Wasn't the Madrid Pact signed in 1989 a peace treaty? Well, if the British attack us out of nowhere, not only they will get the hate of the entire international community, but they can also forget about the Madrid Pact.
@77 If Galtieri won the war, he would be as adored as Jesus Christ, no matter what he did. The dictatorship would have been seen as a small price to pay for Malvinas. That's why he waged war in the first place: winning the war was the only way to save the dictatorship. This is common knowledge.
I don't have respect for countries that think they are superior and better because they are strong. And people like you who think they are better than everyone else who spread hatred. If you didn't brag about how your country is strong and how you British are better than us then I wouldn't be spreading hatred.
@78 MagnusMaster
Feb 21st, 2016 - 02:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“I don't have respect for countries that think they are superior and better because they are strong.”
This is in complete contradiction to everything else that you've posted on here, with your 'only the strong get respect' argument.
I have never said I felt I was better than everyone else. It is you that have implied that 'strong' countries are better than yours.
I wasn't bragging about the UK being stronger than Argentina, I was just showing you the facts. And I did poke fun at you because you said that ONLY strong countries deserved respect. YOUR WORDS, not mine. So ipso facto you must respect the UK enormously because it is a lot stronger than Argentina. YOUR WORDS, not mine.
Remember when you said that YOU WOULDN'T ACCEPT REALITY.
Just like you said that you don't believe in self determination because it stops you stealing other people's lands and homes.
The very fact that you either can't or won't (and I feel it's more the later) see your own hypocrisy is telling.
You won't accept reality.
You won't accept International Law.
You won't accept that you're a hypocrite.
You won't accept any responsibility for ANYTHING that you or your country has EVER done.
You won't accept that your country lies about the Falklands.
Face the facts, MagnusMaster. Argentine 'history' is a lie, and easily disproved lie if you could be bothered to open your eyes and see for yourself. Even your OWN national archives don't support Argentina's 'version' of events.
This grievance was invented by corrupt governments to unite and distract the Argentine people whilst they rape the country and leave the poor even poorer than they were before.
Argentina could be given the Falklands on a platter tomorrow and ALL of your problems would still be the same. So your government would start another grievance. How about the one where Uruguay is actually a rebellious Argentine province?
Yeah, that's a good grievance too, isn't it. But that's a lie too.
@79 I respect strong countries, but not when they try to use their strength to treat me like a subhuman.
Feb 21st, 2016 - 03:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Now you are trying to manipulate me to bend over with the same old reasoning you have used since day one. The more you try to manipulate Argentinians to bend over, the more we will close our eyes.
@80 MagnusMaster
Feb 21st, 2016 - 07:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I've heard all your self pitying 'victim' mentality before. I had to think a bit about it and then it came to me, the Falklands referendum in 2013.
It took about 5 mins for me to find it:
http://en.mercopress.com/2013/03/01/ban-ki-moon-calls-for-a-more-inclusive-dialogue-on-decolonization
You start your pathetic self pitying whining at about comment 112, and continue onwards.
It's pretty much the same kind of stuff your whining about on here. Nothing is your fault, it's all the British fault, blah, blah, blah.
There is one point where you desire change in Argentina, but you aren't willing to do anything productive like work towards change. You want the magic solution, which is what you actually believe the Falklands to be.
If ONLY, if just ONLY Argentina had sovereignty of the Falkland Islands then ALL of Argentina's problems would magically disappear. Every Argentine would have as much gold as they could eat, never have to lift a finger to do a lick of work, and would suddenly be the most powerful (thus in your mind the most respected) country in the world.
Face it all you've done is whine and whine and whine about yourself and your own inferiority complex.
Since when have I or the British government treated YOU like a subhuman? Is it because we don't agree with you and won't give you what you want? Aw, diddums! Go dry your eyes princess.
As for closing your eyes, you've had them closed all your life, and you refuse to open them and face reality.
Remember that post:
I WILL NOT ACCEPT REALITY
It's probably the most truthful thing you've ever written. And I'm sorry if my 'reasoning' with you by using the truth is confusing to you. But people who bury their heads in the sand, and wait for the magical 'malvinas' to solve all of your problems, need to be shown reality occasionally, need to be shown what reason actually is.
Argentina will never solve her internal problems whilst worrying abt things that have nothing to do with her,
Feb 21st, 2016 - 07:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the British Falkland's, are British and not argentine,
she should grow up and be more mature abt it.
Falkland Islands: A small British Overseas Territory whose principal effective export service consists of allowing 42 million Argentines to make themselves look utterly ridiculous, while increasing associated psychiatric and other mental health costs in the Bs As province alone by more than US$890 million each year.
Feb 21st, 2016 - 08:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@80 Magnus,
Feb 21st, 2016 - 08:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0All this talk of from you of “bending over” & “closing your eyes” does make one wonder about you.
Are you sure that its the Falklands that you really want & not something, shall we say, more earthy?
Seems like you have many obsessions, Magnus, old chap.
@81 Where do you get that I think Malvinas is a magical solution? It's a necessary step to get our country going, but I have never said that we wouldn't have to work to sort out our country.
Feb 21st, 2016 - 09:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The British government hasn't treated me like a subhuman, but you, and your constant attitude of thinking you are better than me, certainly do.
Most of Argentina has gotten over the notion that it could steal Lennox, Picton, and Nueva Islands from its neighbours. With just a little more investment in mental health care, it can start to shed the same illusions about other properties that belong to others.
Feb 21st, 2016 - 10:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@85 MagnusMaster
Feb 21st, 2016 - 10:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Where have I said that I'm better than you? And yet in your post above you said:
“I respect strong countries, but not when they try to use their strength to treat me like a subhuman.”
So you actually said that strong countries try to use their strength to treat YOU like a subhuman. Reread what you wrote.
It's all about YOU. How YOU feel. You've never ONCE given a thought about anybody else but yourself.
You say that stealing the Falklands from their rightful owners is 'a necessary step to get our country going'.
Why is it a necessary step? Why?
Why can't you get your country going now? Why can't you tackle the corruption? Why can't you develop Argentina's vast and abundant resources for the benefit of ALL Argentines? What do the Falkland Islands have to do with any of that?
The real answer is nothing. You use the 'malvinas myth' as an excuse as to why your country is up sh!t creek without a paddle, and now you're using it as an excuse as to why you won't get off your backside to try and improve your country.
Oh yes, you want the magical solution, you're desperate for it. Which is why you can't do anything to improve Argentina because the 'nasty' Brits won't let you steal someone else's land and homes. Oh those nasty, nasty Brits defending 3,000 people for the imperialist and colonial ambitions of over 40,000,000 people.
As I keep telling you, YOU and people like you are the real problem in Argentina. Your self pitying 'victim' mentality is all in YOUR mind.
No one in the UK gives a flying feck about Argentina because you're not important to us. Your not important in trade, or as an ally, or even as an enemy.
The only time you cross our radar is when you start spouting your lies about the Falklands, and even now we don't have to do too much about that, because the Falkland Islands Government has been running rings around the Argentine government for years.
So stop crying, grow up and work to make Argentina a better country.
@85
Feb 22nd, 2016 - 11:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“It's a necessary step to get our country going,”
I would have thought paying the money you owe is the first step?
Seems to me that Macri is doing something about it, whilst the Peronists let the problem get worse.
None of your countrymen want to live in the Falklands anyway as there are no CT scanners or high rise tower blocks.
Also although it can be warm for us Brits-the sun loving Argentines from the BA area would not be able to get their siesta properly in the Falklands because you would not like the wind.
@88 ”None of your countrymen want to live in the Falklands anyway....
Feb 23rd, 2016 - 12:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0- There are not nearly enough Fernet distributors nor mental- health therapists on the islands.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/19/world/americas/do-argentines-need-therapy-pull-up-a-couch.html?_r=0
@87 “Why can't you get your country going now? Why can't you tackle the corruption? Why can't you develop Argentina's vast and abundant resources for the benefit of ALL Argentines? What do the Falkland Islands have to do with any of that?”
Feb 24th, 2016 - 10:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0We can tackle corruption and develop our country, but by itself it will not be enough. We should develop our country to be strong and defend our own interests. But that means not bending over or renouncing any claim...
@88 Paying our debts in full is impossible. The issue with the holdouts should be solved shortly though.
@90
Feb 24th, 2016 - 12:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“We should develop our country to be strong and defend our own interests”
I'll make this simple prediction.
The more your country acquires better armed forces and threatens the Falkland Islands, the more forces will be stationed on the Islands to deter those forces.
And the more likely that if your non bending over involves an attack on the Islands, there's a lot of your airfields, military infrastructure and ships that will do a lot of bending if we launch a counter attack.
But then you would be glad to see your servicemen being blown to kingdom come, because your false claim (and nothing at the end of it after a suicide mission ) is worth the loss of thousands of your countrymen.
Right?
@90 “Paying our debts in full is impossible.”
Feb 24th, 2016 - 02:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0-- To the unwilling, nothing is possible.
@90 “We can tackle corruption ...”
- To the unwilling, nothing is possible
@90 “develop our country,”
-- To the unwilling, nothing is possible
MagnusMaster
Feb 24th, 2016 - 05:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You won't renounce your claim to someone else's home and land even though you know that your claim is a lie.
You won't do anything to improve your country until after you have stolen someone else's home and land, and sh!t all over their human rights.
You won't do anything but whine, cry, complain and beg from now until the end of time.
You won't admit that your country is wrong. You won't admit that your country lies. And you will be forever disappointed, living in a corrupt sh!thole, mainly because you won't face up to reality.
Yet IF you worked hard to sort Argentina out, and IF you worked hard to get rid of the endemic corruption, and IF you exploited and developed Argentina's natural resources for the benefit of ALL Argentines (instead of making the rich even richer), and IF you stopped all the self pitying denial, Argentina could be one of the richest, happiest and most powerful countries on the planet.
And IF you did all that, one day (admittedly in the distant future), the people of the Falklands might find it beneficial to voluntarily join Argentina.
But as it stands, what can Argentina offer the people of the Falklands? A people who can trace their ancestors on the Islands back to before the Republic of Argentina even existed.
But the truth, MagnusMaster, is that your political class don't want the 'malvinas'. All they want is the grievance. Why? Because it keeps people like you distracted so they can continue to rape Argentina.
The only reason Galtieri invaded was because he knew that an uprising was about to happen, and he had to distract the people. The usual stuff wouldn't work. So he invaded. And what happened? The people who condemning the Junta one day as murderers were calling them Saints the next day.
Galtieri gambled and he lost. Argentina lost. Argentina will forever be a loser until you grow up and accept that the only people who have a say in the Falkland Islands are the Falkland Islanders themselves.
@93 “Galtieri gambled and he lost. Argentina lost. Argentina will forever be a loser until you grow up and accept that the only people who have a say in the Falkland Islands are the Falkland Islanders themselves.”
Feb 24th, 2016 - 07:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No, we will be forever a loser until we win.
@94 Magnus,
Feb 24th, 2016 - 09:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0With your attitude you will never win.
And will always be a loser.
#94: you can win by growing up.
Feb 24th, 2016 - 10:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Otherwise you are in trouble because you are telling yourselves that you will never be happy until you get something you can never, ever have. [And that you never, ever had in the first place].
You're just totally ridiculous: and pitiable.
“One can dress them in fashionable finery, but they will always behave as children.”
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