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Argentine congress celebrates UN continental shelf decision as a big plus for Malvinas dispute
Lawmaker from president Mauricio Macri ruling “Let's Change” group, Eduardo Amadeo, celebrated the UN recognition of Argentina's continental shelf extension presentation which means a strong support in the Malvinas Islands' sovereignty dispute with the UK, but also increased the country's territory by at least 35%. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesWhat the UN actually said =
Mar 29th, 2016 - 03:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0At the plenary level, the Commission adopted, without a vote, two sets of recommendations, namely the recommendations in respect to the submission made by Argentina, and the recommendations in respect to the submission made by Iceland in respect of the Ægir Basin area and in the western and southern parts of Reykjanes Ridge. With regard to the recommendations in respect of the submission made by Argentina, it is recalled that, previously, the Commission had already decided that it was not in a position to consider and qualify those parts of the submission that were subject to dispute and those parts that were related to the continental shelf appurtenant to Antarctica (see CLCS/64, paras. 76 and 77 and CLCS/76 para. 57)
NOT IN A POSITION ....... etc
England has run out of excuses
Mar 29th, 2016 - 04:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Malvinas Islands lie in Argentinian waters, rules UN commission”
www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/mar/29/falkland-islands-argentina-waters-rules-un-commission
“Fury as United Nations bureaucrats rule islands 'lie in Argentine waters'
www.express.co.uk/news/uk/656284/Falkland-Islands-United-Nations-Susana-Malcorra-Argentina
”UN ruling expands Argentine maritime territory to include Malvinas Islands”
www.independent.ie/world-news/un-ruling-expands-argentine-maritime-territory-to-include-falkland-islands-34579895.html
Ha ha. More Argentinean propaganda. Their politicians are just so @iss poor and treat their people like headless chickens. @2. See @ 1. Cluck cluck.
Mar 29th, 2016 - 04:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0It certainly seems to be Argie blather.
Mar 29th, 2016 - 04:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0The UN report is not yet published but the press release makes it clear that the Commission has not made any decision affecting the British territories.
The fantasy map produced by the Foreign Ministry is based upon Argentina's mythical claims, and not on what Argentina actually possesses
Interestingly, according to the UN website, a country exploiting mineral resources between the 200 and 350 mile limit must share the revenue with others. It is not therefore precisely the same as the EEZ. What this means is that the mineral exploitation in the 200-350 sector would need to be sufficiently lucrative to cover both the increased costs of far-offshore drilling AND the payments required by the UN. I suspect it will be a very long time before Argentina ever actually makes use of this new seabed, other than as a map to wave around.
Mar 29th, 2016 - 06:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0Is the UN trying to provoke a new war between UK and Argentina or is this being built up into something it isn't. Either way :-
Mar 29th, 2016 - 06:51 am - Link - Report abuse 01) End all foreign aid and UN funding/cooperation.
2) send more warships to South Atlantic especially those currently on immigrant ferry duty.
3) reinforce Falklands Garrison
What are they celebrating?
Mar 29th, 2016 - 08:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0People need to take a step back and especially people that represent a country should step back and think about what has happened without inventing facts out of thin air.
The facts:
On 21 April 2009 Argentina made a submission to the CLCS.
On 11 May 2009 the UK made a submission to the CLCS.
Both these submissions pretty much cover the same thing. Namely the extension of sovereignty to the continental shelf past the 200nm limit currently demarcated.
On 5 September 2012, the CLCS created a subcommission to consider the submission. This subcommission elected Mr. Carrera as its Chair and Messrs. Oduro and Park as Vice-Chairs.
That is a SUBCOMMISSION!
This subcommission had a single task.
To consider the submission made by Argentina. NOTHING ELSE!!!!!!
The subcommission was instructed “...not to consider and qualify those parts of the submission that are subject to dispute and not to consider and qualify the part of the submission that relates to the continental shelf appurtenant to Antarctica.”
Their conclusions and findings do not suddenly and automatically cancel out the submission made by the UK on 11 May 2009. This submission still needs to be considered.
The Argentinean government claiming that suddenly they have gained their entire claim is farcical. If anything they have laid the groundwork for the UK's submission regarding this area.
Great resource with all the information:
http://www.un.org/depts/los/clcs_new/commission_submissions.htm
And Durham Uni have a great graphic here that will help to explain the competing claims very easily.
http://www.un.org/depts/los/clcs_new/commission_submissions.htm
One has to ask “ Who has the largest Navy”? Can Argentina patrol ALL this new territory?
Mar 29th, 2016 - 08:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0Marcos - Can you explain why the UN actually does NOT refer to the areas that include British territorial water claims?
Mar 29th, 2016 - 09:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0Give you a clue - ask your deputy Foreign Minister why he stated that this will not affect the areas around the Falklands etc.
I heard Argentina are going to position an exploratory drilling platform in the Berkeley Sound, bearing a huge Argentine flag.....for the hell of it....
Mar 29th, 2016 - 09:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0You really should consider medication regarding those voices you listen to.
Mar 29th, 2016 - 09:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0”said that “25 years ago Argentina made a first approach to the UN saying that our sea limits were wrongly measured because our continental sea reached further out”.
Mar 29th, 2016 - 09:57 am - Link - Report abuse 025 years...?
cue Hepatia....
@2 Marcos,
Mar 29th, 2016 - 10:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0lf you want to believe the rubbish printed by a loony-left pro communist newspaper like the Guardian, then go right ahead.
Come back down to earth, comrade.
The Falklands are not going to magically drop into your greasy paws, anytime soon.
Or just go back to sleep.
Actually Voice, I believe that Argentina was the first country to claim sovereignty over the continental shelf in 1946 - despite not knowing quite what its was.
Mar 29th, 2016 - 10:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0I'm now told that the UN Commission's recommendations (not resolutions, decisions or anything else) have no legal effect as the Commission has no “legal personality.”
Rather like GA resolutions, the Commission's recommendations are merely advisory.
@ Skip
Mar 29th, 2016 - 11:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0Great post. What might be more informative is if the Argentinians produced a map showing the uncontested portion that they ACTUALLY obtained i.e. north and west of the median line. It wouldn't look anything like as impressive but might at least prepare their population (and Think so it would seem) for disappointment later on.
Lord Ton
Mar 29th, 2016 - 11:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0Is that a bit like UNESCO's definition of people, so often quoted on here as gospel...?
Argentina often misunderstands (intentionally?) political documents.
Mar 29th, 2016 - 11:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0This changes nothing over their ”conflict with The Falklands
As I said on another thread this political nonsense coming out of the UN will bring countries to war.
Facts ARE gospel Voice.
Mar 29th, 2016 - 12:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And it is a fact that the Commission has no legal effect.
From Klaus Dodds no less LOL
Same old Argentina, same old self delusions, same old misleading statements, same old deceptions.
Mar 29th, 2016 - 12:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Might be a move by Macri to keep the dogs in the cage, but either way it don't amount to a row of beans. It does not affect the Falklands application for CS extension, it doesn't affect either oil exploration or fishing in the region, it makes no difference to shipping or air transport rights.................in fact it doesn't make any difference to anything in the Falkland Islands.
What it does do is grant Argentina CS extension in undisputed areas. That's all.
This is the same UN which put Saudi Arabia in charge of a human rights commission and which condemns Israel more than North Korea and Iran combined.
Mar 29th, 2016 - 02:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They can take their resolutions and shove them.
I think the usual anti-argies opinionators here are the ones who do not get it or do not understand basic reading comprehension. Malcorra clearly said that the species included where “sedentary,” that areas in dispute were NOT included and that this territorial gain will allow Argentina its legitimate right to more continental shelf to explore. Nothing more, nothing else. Now that CFK is not in the government anymore they will have to retort to more intelligent anti-argie rhetoric other than their usual whining and “poor me islander” attitude” ...
Mar 29th, 2016 - 02:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Dear Friends “falky`s” if it were up to me (Argentine-European single), SUCCESSION OF CONTRACTS WOULD MAKE A MILLIONAIRE FOR OIL EXPLOITATION OF MALVINAS AROUND FOR CHINA, RUSSIA AND USA (TO SEE IF THE MISSILE Rout) JAJAJ GO home BRITANICA = USURPERS !!
Mar 29th, 2016 - 02:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Run along now Claudy Laplatty and stfupy.
Mar 29th, 2016 - 03:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@22Claudio
Mar 29th, 2016 - 03:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“AND USA”
A company from the USA is already part of oil exploration around the Falklands. That's if I understood your gibberish properly?
” if it were up to me”
Let me guess, you'd canoe to the Falklands, shout jibber jabber at the UK troops, then run away waving the white flag that would be standard in your kit bag?
10 Tell us, talking of Sounds where are the Argie Falkland Sound swimmers? Did they wimp out as so many of the pussies did on the stroll up to Machu Picchu? Do tell :-) Have you done that Gourock ferry cruise yet?
Mar 29th, 2016 - 03:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A spokesman for David Cameron said: “One of the commissions has looked at issues regarding maritime territory. We have yet to receive details of that report. This is an advisory committee that makes recommendations that are not legally binding. It does not have jurisdiction over sovereignty issues.
Mar 29th, 2016 - 05:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”I don't think we should get ahead of ourselves. Speculation of what the report says has come from Argentina so we should wait to see what comes out of the commission.
“What is important is what the Falkland Islanders think. They have been clear that they want to remain an overseas territory of Britain and we will continue to support their right.”
@12
Mar 29th, 2016 - 06:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“ continental sea reached further out” ? No such animal continental shelf perhaps, but surely all mainlands and islands are in some way on continental shelves.
David Cameron
Mar 29th, 2016 - 06:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0dismisses Argentina's claim to the waters surrounding the Falkland Islands
A United Nations commission has recommended that Argentina's maritime territory should be expanded across the South Atlantic Ocean, encompassing the Falkland Islands
Said it once and will keep saying it,
Britain needs to get of its arse and do something, just sitting there and saying NO isn’t fooling anyone.
It’s to bloody late later to say oopps, sorry,
The unmighty EU wants a trade deal with south America, now unless im a china man, the Falkland’s may well stand in the way of this, how or why , is for them to work out, but considering the overlords tell our government what to do, im not holding out much luck.
If Britain has so much influence and power, as David tells us all, then you need to see action, not words.
Just my humble opinion for all its worth.
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In other news, the Isle of Wight extends it's continental shelf and claims the whole of Europe falls under its jurisdiction. No one takes a blind bit of notice.
Mar 30th, 2016 - 06:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0So the UN has shot down Argentina claims it has placed the Islands in it's territorial waters, laughing so hard right now.
Mar 30th, 2016 - 09:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0Another argy red heron ,
Mar 30th, 2016 - 12:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0another argy lost cause
another argy false claim,
they never learn
To us the article is insignificant so why is it so significant to the Argies. Anyone know?
Mar 30th, 2016 - 02:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 032
Mar 30th, 2016 - 03:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Man - Straws - Grab - Drowning.
Perhaps?
Argentina- stop making a fool of yourself.
Mar 31st, 2016 - 08:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0lts getting embarrassing now for you.
You have such great potential, but getting your greasy paws on the Falklands is just not agonna happen.
Sad.
@34
Mar 31st, 2016 - 01:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“You have such great potential”
They have got many more resources than the Falkland Islands and Argentina's land mass dwarfs most.
They have had a huge extension in their territory to the North of you.
But what will bother them like a wasp nest in their drawers is the fact they cannot have the Falklands which few Argentines actually want to live on (not enough skyscrapers or 5 star hotels).
Despite the fact they have loads of land and resources.
And the new resources they might have north of the Falklands which could be more massive, means nothing to them because the Malvinas Myth which has made them £0.000,000 (recurring) is more important than the huge area they have actually been awarded.
If they were gifted an area with massive gold reserves they would still crave the Falklands.
Even though-they can't hack the weather.
They don't want to live there.
Their work ethic is not what is required in the Falklands.
Even though there are no skyscrapers in the Falklands,
annnndddd
No CT scanners!
I bet they don't know anything about the Islands even though we have google Earth!
These people are nuts!
Im going to use a north-american expression here, it´s the common falklander/england native attitude here, to be strongly “butthurt” about any information regarding Argentina. There is so much resentment, even tough the “little” kelpers, being little thousands as they are, literally lay waste to the argentinian sea giving away fishing permits like candy to anyone who will buy. Then we have to read them calling themselves “hard workers”, it must be hard work laying at bed while your account gets fat on stealing someone else´s natural resources using foreign fishing fleets.
Apr 04th, 2016 - 04:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0Deep down you know we are right, deep down you are scared of what we will do next, deep down you know we´ll be back laddies.
I´m argentine and I see my fellow natives optimistic about the islands, even desiring friendship, but not you kelpers or your english masters, you are constantly butthurt because you know that if the deep truth reached the masses at Argentina they´ll want to invade with sticks and stones if they could. Jeez.
LukeDig,
Apr 04th, 2016 - 08:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0lf anyone's butt is hurt, its yours.
The trouble with trying to be friends with your countrymen is that they put conditions on the friendship.
e.g.
“We'll co-operate on conserving Fish Stocks, but it must include discussions on Sovereignty”.
“We'll talk about flights to the Falklands, but it must include discussions on Sovereignty”.
You cannot be trusted & we don't trust you.
Remove the offending parts from your Constitution & start referring to the Falklands by its correct name.
Mal-whatever is extremely offensive to us.
ln fact most of you are extremely offensive, full stop.
Stop acting like losers.
It´s 2+2=4 Isolde, you are english, your country is far up north, near the north pole, go back home. Go home.
Apr 04th, 2016 - 04:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0lts also 3+3=6 Lukeyboy, you are argentine(you say)your original country is spain, go back home. Go home.
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