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Argentina's platform claim on Falklands' sovereignty “lapped up” by various respectable media outlets
A Gibraltarian expert on self determination has rubbished Argentine claims that the decision by a UN Commission to extend Argentina's continental shelf to include the waters that surround the Falklands and South Georgia will be key in the dispute with Britain over the Islands. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesEven so, it's still a truly historic moment - the birth of a new Malvinista myth, and the most easily rubbished one yet.
Apr 01st, 2016 - 07:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Argentine “spin” shows just how gullible and infantile they are as a nation.
Apr 01st, 2016 - 08:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0Sorry lot of “nabos”!
Argentina discredited herself with what she did publishing those lies. At first those whom she wishes to colonize may have been worried, but once the decision is read it is clear that the UN said nothing about the 1940's invented claims of Argentina to the UK's territories and even worse still the UN is not granting anybody sovereignty in Antarctica either!
Apr 01st, 2016 - 09:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0Once the trick and the lies are clear for all to see, then it is the Argentine claim that is really undermined. ..It shows that Argentina is prepared to lie if necessary .. it is prepared to act without integrity to achieve its flawed aims.
In the end by pressing the indoctrination button placed inside the minds of the children in Argentina at a very early age by the indoctrinating teachers, they did score a temporary internal point propelling the less clever ones into the street waving flags as Galtieri and Cristina used to do, but once that shot in the arm wears out comes the big downturn and the world can see Argentina and its flawed claim for what they really are... Argentina has lied and it is clear for all to see.
I think Gibraltar are far more at risk from Ricardo stating that if Britain exit the EU they will need to get closer to Spain.
Apr 01st, 2016 - 12:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That would be a big mistake.
Too many folks were too quick to jump to conclusions of the Argie propoganda machine which was unfortunate. We must have faith in our own systems of diplomacy and government.
Apr 01st, 2016 - 12:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This may help those so feeble minded:
Apr 01st, 2016 - 12:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-response-to-argentinas-intention-to-extend-its-continental-shelf
Are you sure it wasn't the Arg Government having an Aprils fools Joke......can't think of any other reason they would make themselves look so stupid!
Apr 01st, 2016 - 02:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0More arguments for the stupid argies to cry over,
Apr 01st, 2016 - 08:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the committee is only advisory,
the UN has not fully indorsed it because it cant,
thus no ruling will be forwarded or implemented,
Argentina has NOHING.
wont they ever EVER learn,
what actually happened, was this committee was trying to be clever like us brits,
and do a APRIL FOOLS DAY JOKE,
but being stupid they got the date wrong.
Spin it all you want, it was the Foreign Office the one who invented, centuries ago, a principle to solve disputes among countries... That principle was about “territory continuity”, britain used it extensively to arbiter most conflicts it was called upon as arbiter.
Apr 02nd, 2016 - 01:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0The new zone further strenghtens that very own english argument, now used against the brits themselves, that these islands mean no territory continuity for the english empire, among the other arguments against their colonial occupation in our very shores, and their stakes on a continent more than half planet away from their nation: Antarctica.
And since you love talking about the self determination on some implanted colonists, what can you tell us about Diego García islanders? That´s a good example of english love for self determination.
9 LukeDig
Apr 02nd, 2016 - 03:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0“What can you tell us about Diego García islanders?” Only that they are Mauritanian citizens that were brought to the Island as contract workers that had no right of permanent residency. They have exhausted all their legal claims. Including, the European Court of Human Rights. There is a large body of sympathetic support within the UK. http://www.unhcr.org/refworld/docid/49749ce6c.html
It could have been worse, they could have been black Argentinians and suffered from genocide.
Actually, Canada's claim to the Falkland Islands is stronger than Argentina's. The first settlers on the Falkland Island who attempted to stay (1763) were Acadians, displaced Canadians some of whom were born in present-day Nova Scotia.
Apr 02nd, 2016 - 03:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.acadian-home.org/Falkland.html
On the other hand, Argentina has a potential claim to Nootka Island, Canada. The first European settlement on what is today British Columbia took place there in 1789. The Spanish presence there was arguably more secure than their presence on the Falklands which comprises the basis for Argentine claims.
http://www.acadian-home.org/Falkland.html
Argentina is not Spain. Nor has Argentina ever been Spain.
Apr 02nd, 2016 - 07:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0This is why Argentina has no claim to the Falklands. The dispute 1765 to 1833 was between England and Spain.
Argentina is not Spain :-)
If all we have is Argentina as an enemy, then life is easy
Apr 02nd, 2016 - 10:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0We dont care what Argentina wants or does when it comes before the big boys at the UN all we British will do is just Veto everything as is our right. Argentina had better start playing nice or they might find themselves totally isolated in the world as we British take revenge in the most awesome way possible
Apr 02nd, 2016 - 11:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0The UN Commission on the Limits of the Continental Shelf( CLCS) has approved a proposal made by Argentina in 2009 to extend their continental shelf, AKA “Exclusive Economic Zone” (EEZ) by something like 350 000 square miles.
Apr 02nd, 2016 - 05:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The first consideration: is Argentina capable of administrating their EEZ? I have personally seen homeless sleeping on the sidewalks facing Plaza de Mayo and also across the avenue from the presidential residence. If the Argentine government can’t even take care of people within meters of the presidency, can they be expected to take care of immense areas of ocean? Keep in mind that Argentina’s navy has never been anything to write home about. Just think: one of their best naval vessels, ARA Santisima Trinidad sank, moored, at the main Argentine Naval base.
CLCS abstained from considering Argentina's submission on Malvinas, SG and SS Islands AS REQUESTED BY ARGENTINA. UK made a partial presentation but CLCS did not accept to consider it. Why? THERE IS A SOVEREIGNTY DISPUTE BETWEEN THE TWO COUNTRIES OVER MALVINAS, SG AND SS ISLANDS. BESIDES ACKNOWLEDGING THAT THE CONTROVERSY PERSISTS, CLCS REAFFIRMED TERRITORIAL SCOPE OF THE DISPUTE AKA “MALVINAS QUESTION”. NO RIGHTS CAN BE CLAIMED BY ISLANDERS OVER RESOURCES AS AREA IS IN DISPUTE
Apr 02nd, 2016 - 05:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Treaty of Tordesillas doesn't carry a lot of respect today.
Apr 02nd, 2016 - 07:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Tordesillas
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Apr 02nd, 2016 - 08:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are a complete dreamer HaHaHa, 2020 first oil in the FALKLANDS from the Sea Lion field.
Argentine inability to control foreign fishing fleets in their coastal waters is well known. In their current economic condition, there is no chance Argentina can control illegal fishing throughout the new EEZ. They simply do not have the resources. Illegal fishing is already rampant and now will get worse. That is more than an Argentine problem. It has world-wide food supply implications.
Apr 02nd, 2016 - 09:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Second, some of the sea, parts of Antartica and islands that Argentina now claims are also claimed by other countries. Chile, UK, Norway, Germany, Australia New Zealand, France, even Brazil, will want a say in who gets what in the Antartic and surrounding seas The CLCS decision is the beginning, not the end, of diplomatic squabbling.
in making their decision The CLCS only took into account considerations of the continental shelf, not people. Historians would tell us that developed countries base their decisions on territorial matters on the basis of the best interest of the people living there while underdeveloped countries think only in terms of space. The people who live on the islands included in this new EEZ have overwhelmingly voted to stick to Britain, not Argentina. Therefore, this decision goes against the grain of most UN considerations on the subject.
I read the curriculums of the 21 members of the CLCS. All of them are geologists, oceanographers, geographers, cartographers and the like. Not one is a diplomat, sociologist, lawyer, politician or economist. Their decisions were based strictly on analysis of the continental shelf. They not only stretched the limits of that being 200 meters, they increased it, who knows why, up to 300 meters in some places. In other words, these men were scientific boffins who did not consider any other factor than the depth of the continental shelf.
Rather than solve the problem, the CSCL decision only confuses the issue more. Argentina might be happy of winning this Kirchner initiative. But, could it be that in the long run it wil
15 Alejomartinez
Apr 02nd, 2016 - 10:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“NO RIGHTS CAN BE CLAIMED BY ISLANDERS OVER RESOURCES AS AREA IS IN DISPUTE” Please show where this is supported under the Charter or any Resolution, as I can produce an abundance to contrary. But it is you who bears the burden as you're the party asserting. Let me advice you in advance you will not able to. So all you have produced is an unprovable lie.
”continental shelf, AKA “Exclusive Economic Zone” (EEZ)”
Apr 03rd, 2016 - 01:56 am - Link - Report abuse 015 Viejo Patagon
The shelf and the EEZ are two different things. Shelf = continent extending out into the water. EEZ = area of water over which state has exclusive economic rights. If a state can prove a shelf is more than 200nmi, jurisdiction over it will be extended up to a maximum possible 350 nmi in total, but the EEZ will not be extended, so the waters above the extension will remain international waters.
“CLCS abstained from considering Argentina's submission on Malvinas, SG and SS Islands AS REQUESTED BY ARGENTINA.”
16 Alejomartinez
Wrong. They made the decision based on the note verbale from the UK as per the rules of procedure
From Argentina’s presentation of its submission made 26 August 2009:
76. The Commission then continued its meeting in private. Addressing the modalities for the consideration of the submission, the Commission took note of the note verbale from the United Kingdom dated 6 August 2009. The Commission also took note of the views expressed in the presentation by Argentina of its submission in connection with this note verbale. Taking into consideration this note verbale and the presentation made by the delegation, the Commission decided that, in accordance with its rules of procedure, it was not in a position to consider and qualify those parts of the submission that are subject to dispute. The Commission decided that it will instruct the Subcommission, once established in accordance with rule 51, paragraph 4 ter, of the rules of procedure, at a future session, to act accordingly.
Ignorant argument: Spain is not Argentina and Argentina is not Spain.
Apr 03rd, 2016 - 02:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0Let me enlighten you chap... When good ol´Ferdinand gets imprisoned by my dear Bonaparte (I wish you had not failed at Waterloo or Russia, good boy...), here and on other places of Spain, people merely applied what the laws at the time dictated: That if there was no king, the power returned to the people.
Hence, the territories that corresponded to they Virreynato del Río de la Plata (as you can guess, it included Malvinas), belonged to that faction, which declared a state of demi-independence but swore allegiance to the spanish king, and swore to return power to his imperial majesty once he was released or a succesor appointed.
As it´s known, the brits came, lying as they always do, and offered guns, and naval protection if the spaniard elites declared independence and shared the loot with the brits. So began our long history of being screwed by the english up to the present.
Argentina is not Spain. Argentina did not inherit from Spain. There was a dispute between Spain and Britain. Argentina was never a party to that dispute.
Apr 03rd, 2016 - 04:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0There were Kings of Spain before 1810. There was a King of Spain after 1816.
Argentina is not Spain.
And as far as I can see, argentina screws itself.
Boy, chap or whatever.
@22 LukeDig
Apr 03rd, 2016 - 05:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0A “nabo's” version of history to be added to all the other myths, lies and fairy tales and, of course, the bulls issued by Pope Alexander VI: Eximiae devotionis (3 May 1493), Inter Caetera (4 May 1493) and Dudum Siquidem (23 September 1493), granted rights to Spain with respect to the newly discovered lands in the Americas!
The bull from the Pope was just that - bull. Of no legal effect. Even Spain and Portugal ignored the Pope. The Pope could not grant rights to Spain.
Apr 03rd, 2016 - 05:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0Utter nonsense.
https://falklandstimeline.files.wordpress.com/2016/03/2-1480-to-1768.pdf
Pope Alexander VI was, of course, the infamous Borgia pope born in Valencia, Spain. He was just courting favour with his “clients” in Iberia - he had no authority, not even from God, to cede UNDISCOVERED(or even those lands that had been “discovered”) territories to anyone.
Apr 03rd, 2016 - 10:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0BUT, from time to time, Argentina does base its nonsensical claim on these valueless papal declarations.
papal bull
Apr 03rd, 2016 - 03:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Bahahahhaa
OMG these Argys are precious.
@16
Apr 03rd, 2016 - 04:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“ NO RIGHTS CAN BE CLAIMED BY ISLANDERS OVER RESOURCES”
They can because they were born on the Islands-and the UN say that NSGTs can develop their resources as they need.
There is no dispute over the Islands as far as the Falkland Islanders are concerned, the Islands are theirs.
It is Argentina that disputes the territory so it's up to Argentina to go to the ICJ and prove the Argentine claim is valid.
16 Alejomartinez
Apr 03rd, 2016 - 08:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina may well break into region's.
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