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Ex Transport Secretary involves Nestor and Cristina Kirchner in purchase of out of service trains

Wednesday, April 6th 2016 - 08:19 UTC
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Discouraging week for the Kirchner family and followers, despite the fact that he name of their main political enemy, Mauricio Macri, has cropped up in the Panama Papers. Not only Lazaro Baez, the dominant public works contractor in Santa Cruz province, and believed to be a straw man for the Kirchner family has been arrested and faces questioning on a money laundering investigation, but also former Transport Secretary Ricardo Jaime implicated the Kirchner couple and a former minister in a multimillion purchase of damaged railway materials. Read full article

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  • Think

    TWIMC

    This humble Patagonian is happy to see those two prime exponents of corruption in Argentina in the place they deserve...

    Ricardo Jaime's downfall started in 2010 and Lázaro Baez in 2013...
    As Argentinean “Justice” goes... those are surprisingly short terms...
    (We have a lot of still unresolved 34 years old cases)

    Anyhow... let's hear all what these men have to say... and concentrate in what can be proven...

    Think is happy!

    Apr 06th, 2016 - 09:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Lucifer

    You've not been to Argentina since the 70s. so why would you care?

    Apr 06th, 2016 - 09:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    It seems that Boss Eye and TMBOA wanted a 'royal train set' all of their own!

    Who would be stupid enough to buy S/H crap from Argentina?

    Apr 06th, 2016 - 06:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    Even more corrupt than we thought,
    but give it time and CFK will be arrested,

    no doubt some argy turnips will defend her
    so they say.

    Apr 06th, 2016 - 07:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • sunpacy

    Amazing what media can do. If you read most of comment here you realize how many stupid ignorants read papers or digital papers. Aa I write this the current president of Argentina Mauricio Macri is involve in a scandal leaked by the PANAMA PAPERS. but here everyone hate so much peronism that they wish CFK go to jail. Anyone here have a piece of proof that CFK is involved in any corruption case they just wish she is but they know Macri is a corrupted president but they don't care neither media

    Apr 07th, 2016 - 02:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • imoyaro

    @5
    No you are wrong, they know all Argentine politicians are on the take. The Kirchnerites have bled the country for over a decade, a fact that you, an obvious factotum of the “perronistas,” seem desperate to draw attention away from.

    http://i1290.photobucket.com/albums/b521/imoyaro/chopperlaff_zpsryuikyku.gif

    Apr 07th, 2016 - 06:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Lucifer

    I am gleeful that they are not only going after the Ks and their minions but they're also going after their families.
    Best was to stop corruption is cut off the head and bankrupt the families.
    So nobody enjoys the ill gotten gains.

    Apr 07th, 2016 - 12:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • sunpacy

    “The Kirchnerites have bled the country for over a decade”

    How is possible that the country received by Kirchner in 2003 had hyper inflation, 54% unemployment, a country in debt default, no industry, with all savings of the people lock in banks.no budget for education an external debt that was 150% of the GDP.
    Is giving back to President Macri with a external debt of 34% of GDP, 5.5% unemployment, two geo stationary sattelites in space, 1100 scientist repatriated, 6% of the national budget on education, record of consumption, record of Argentinean people vacationing, according with OEA IMF CELAC UNICEF dramatic reduction of poverty, and agreements with 92.4% of creditors. where you support your comment that Kircner bled the country for a decade?

    Apr 07th, 2016 - 01:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Lucifer

    8. Because the Kirchner's made up false statistics.

    Are you really that stupid not to know it?

    Do you think poverty really went from “german” levels to 33% overnight?

    The depth of your ignorance is astounding.

    Apr 07th, 2016 - 01:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    TWIMC

    Title of this MacriPress article says...:
    “Ex Transport Secretary involves Nestor and Cristina Kirchner in purchase of out of service trains”

    The lawyer of the jailed ex Transport Secretary says...:
    “He hasn't involved anybody... I don't know who invented that story.”
    http://www.eldiario24.com/nota/argentina/373013/desmienten-jaime-haya-inculpado-nestor-cristina-kirchner-declaracion.html

    Porkies have short legs, MacriPress...

    Apr 07th, 2016 - 01:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Lucifer

    After a week of raping in GP at EZE jail he'll start to sing
    and sing and sing
    if he's not killed that is

    I've long wanted to see CFK without her make-up and wig.
    Scary ol witch.

    Apr 07th, 2016 - 01:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • imoyaro

    @10
    ...and as we all know, there is no more reliable source than an Argentine lawyer.

    http://i1290.photobucket.com/albums/b521/imoyaro/chopperlaff_zpsryuikyku.gif

    Apr 07th, 2016 - 03:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • sunpacy

    Lucifer wrote:. “Because the Kirchner's made up false statistics”.
    This are not Kirchner statitistics as I stated before this are numbers published by UNICEF, IMF, OEA, CELAC, ONU. Not exactly pro Kirchner organbizations
    Lucifer Wrote: Are you really that stupid not to know it?
    Please keep the conversation elevated no insults if possible
    Lucifer wrote:Do you think poverty really went from “german” levels to 33% overnight?
    Overnight? no it took 12 years and 7 of good prices for comodities. Argentina enjoyed Chinese growth and the world need of Argentine products.
    Lucifer wrote:The depth of your ignorance is astounding.
    This is not ideological position are just facts, I understand if you place yourself inthe other side of the aisle but facts are facts wether fit your doctrine or not. I don't like a lot of people who did fantastic things. So if you have any interest toi debate please no insults and check your sources if those are Clarin or La Nacion, CNN or FOX I quit the conversation right now, those who believe ideological lies not only are stupid are also no worth of my time

    Lucifer wrote:“I've long wanted to see CFK without her make-up and wig.
    Scary ol witch.”

    Yiu have a personal problem, your comments make not political or historical sense, go to therapy, do not get involve in debate you have no facts to debate with

    Apr 07th, 2016 - 03:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Lucifer

    Numb-nut don't respond if you don't like it.

    WB, IDB, ect ect ect used INDEC numbers until they ruled them as false then stopped reporting.
    It still can't produce reliable numbers they're still trying to get the Kscum out of there.

    Argentina never had strong growth.
    Those numbers were all fake.

    Just like the Chinese numbers are all fake.
    But even worse

    Apr 07th, 2016 - 07:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • pgerman

    @13

    UNICEF, IMF, OEA, CELAC, ONU and even World Bank are forced to publish and work with the official data of each country. This means that they had to use the false figures of the “old” Indec....

    Apr 07th, 2016 - 07:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • sunpacy

    Lucifer and Pgerman You both wrong
    Agencies like IMF and World Bank use data to advice investors it wont trust official data form each country. In the other hand all of those agencies that gave bad numbers like S and P or Moody always screw up like it did with the real state bubble. World Bank or IMF don't have any other agenda that benefit their investors it wont give wrong data. They will publish the data but advise to don't invest in argentina because it was a timing bomb, that was how Clarin TN and all the opposition media painted the country, the truth is the truth Kirchner got a country in worse condition than she left it, but Gorilas like you guys suffer to recognize it. You just hate them. I was born in 1964 it wasn't any government better than CFK since I was born and except Peron from 45 to 55 Is safe to say it wasn't any government any better at all. But Gorillas suffer independence they want a country run by England with the devastating FREE MARKET ECONOMY, you dream with being Australia but Australia had a price to pay generations of death to help the British crown, and probably we would be more than Haiti than Australia.
    I love it because Peron was the worse nightmare for London and Washington and better it will keep generating new leaders like CFK that always will push the country to independence as Peron said once “los unicos priviligiados son los niños” those niños are taking over now and in the future, corrupted inventions by media like Macri last very little the actual people hate them , if you research history the same thieves that work with Macri worked with De La Rua and even the dictatorship same names, same bosses, same pawns. Evo Morales once said US never had a Coup de Eta because is not an US embassy in the US

    Apr 07th, 2016 - 08:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • pgerman

    @16

    FALSE..UNICEF, IMF, OEA, CELAC, ONU and even World Bank are forced to publish and work with the official data of each country.

    Apr 07th, 2016 - 10:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • sunpacy

    I believe this conversation is worthless at this point you saying FALSE FALSE FALSE but no explaining why, just you wish to be false. so Be happy believing is false have a great day

    Apr 07th, 2016 - 11:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Lucifer

    18. You're absolutely wrong and WB IMF stopped publishing and still don't publish Arg economic numbers.
    Its the only country IN THE HISTORY OF IMF to be on suspension and almost revocation because of the false numbers.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/argentina-imf-idUSL1N0YO2PL20150603

    You're really dumb.

    Apr 08th, 2016 - 12:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • sunpacy

    “ IN THE HISTORY OF IMF to be on suspension and almost revocation because of the false numbers.”

    The interesting thing about this is that you care what the IMF think about Argentina, US imploded in 2008 with the real state bubble and read the report of the IMF the week before the entire US economy collapsed. IMF is a political agency with specific goals but like any financial institutions the numbers are numbers. Argentinean numbers were good during CFK and IMF couldn't lie about it but because Argentina F***** them paying them in full and taking them out of any future negotiations they threat Argentina with stupid suspensions. Listen you call me dumb (even when I asked you to stop the insults) what make me realize that you are a monumental ass hole do you think that the US numbers in Unemployment in GDP in Inflation are F**** real? and why IMF don't say anything about it? Who is the real dumb?

    Apr 08th, 2016 - 01:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Lucifer

    What does the USA have to do with this conversation?

    I am merely pointing out that you're one of the few idiots in the world that still believes in the “won” Kirchner decade.
    That makes you one of the dumbest people on the planet.
    Do you forget to breath sometimes?

    Apr 08th, 2016 - 02:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • pgerman

    @18

    What would you like I comment to you?

    “Agencies like IMF and World Bank use data to advice investors”? WRONG

    “World Bank or IMF don't have any other agenda that benefit their investors it wont give wrong data”? FALSE

    “They will publish the data but advise to don't invest in argentina because it was a timing bomb, that was how Clarin TN and all the opposition media painted the country”? WOULD YOU LIKE TO DISCUSS WITH ME ABOUT THE MOST IMPORTANT ECONOMIC METRICS LEFT BY CFK ? THIS IS PART OF MY JOB SO I WOULDN´'T SUGGEST YOU DO THIS...

    Gorilas? STUCK IN TIME

    But Gorillas suffer independence they want a country run by England with the devastating FREE MARKET ECONOMY, you dream with being Australia but Australia had a price to pay generations of death to help the British crown, and probably we would be more than Haiti than Australia. ==> STUPID THINGS

    I love it because Peron was the worse nightmare for London and Washington and better it will keep generating new leaders like CFK that always will push the country to independence ==> MORE STUPID THINGS

    You know what? Peron was a fascist and he decorated Gral. Francisco Franco, Gral. Augusto Pinochet, Gral. Alfredo Storessnerr, Batista, Nicolae Caucescu...other peronist governments decorated Gadaffy, Chavez.....what a nice collection of democrats !!!!...yes I'm quite gorila..but you are a fascist

    Apr 08th, 2016 - 02:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • sunpacy

    You still saying FALSE like your truth is the only truth.
    Accuse Peron of Fascist is the easiest way to go. If Peron were a personality in the 60s would be accuse of Communist if were a leader in the 80s would be accuse of drug trafficker, if were a leader today would be accused of terrorist. All those who opposed Washington demands are labeled with the evil of the times. Is funny during WW2 Peron was Secretary of Labor, Secretary of War and President of Argentina only supplied goods to England and US Argentina never trade with Germany or Italy or Austria before during of After the war only trade with England and US Peron then was avery interesting fascist I may say. US in the other hand financed and administrate all the German treasures during WW2 that was how the Bush family made their fortune. In the other hand Pinochet was a CIA creation, same was Gadaffy, Peron and Batista never met or deal, Cieacescu(Baby you have a f***** mees with dates is like put Nero and Louis XIV in the same time) Chavez was probably 20 years old Lt. when Peron died. If you read Peron books do not talk very nice about Franco and when Evita went to Spain the visit didn't ended very well. Ignorant people (like yourself) believe Peron liked Franco because Peron didn't support the embargo against Spain (after 50 years of Cuban embargo) we now know that embargoes only hurt real people no governments Argentina can't blockade Spain 70% of Argentineans are from Spain you stop the supply of food to Spain at the time and you were killing some relative of an Argentinean. The only reason why Peron was considered Fascist because Peron was anti Washington if that make me fascist so be it I am anti Washington too. Washington is who created the Pinochets, the Gadaffy, the Husseins, The Bin Ladem, the Caucescu, the Stroessners all those guys were financed, armed and supported by US several agencies CIA, NSA, State Department or plane White House. They and many more in Africa, Middle east.
    So have fun

    Apr 08th, 2016 - 03:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Welsh Wizard

    @23
    Some of what you say is true, especially the part about zeitgeist informing the view of a leader at different times in history (fascist, communist, etc...)
    However, Peron is viewed as a fascist by us as a result of his admiration for the fascist pomp and ceremony of the Italian fascist regime (which he admits to being in awe of) and also the stand of his government on sheltering the highest ranking members of the most brutal fascist regime we have seen. Whilst, in reality, his policies and those of Evita were very much left wing in a number of ways his preponderance for a fascist external persona and, given the period and the concern that you have someone who shows admiration for a fascist regime and then decides to actively shelter huge number of fascist war criminals on an industrial scale, it is therefore not surprising that he is viewed as a fascist or fascist sympathiser by a number of people. Whether that was the political reality or not.

    Apr 08th, 2016 - 09:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • pgerman

    @23

    Like most of the argentine people you don't even know the history of your own country. Peron was the first, and the only ever, vice-president of a dictatorship (Farrell presidency) that them became president of a coutnry. So, he reached the power using the government resources in an illegal way.

    Not to mention the fact that he had taken part in the coup d'etat against Irigoyen in the first coup d'etat in argentine history (Uriburu presidency).

    You might like or not but Peron, and his government, decorated Gral. Francisco Franco, Gral. Augusto Pinochet, Gral. Alfredo Storessnerr, Batista, Nicolae Caucescu. These are historical facts. What a nice collection of democrats !!!!

    He had never thought about decorating Churchill for his fight against fascism in Europe. He had never thought about a deserved recognition to those who fought and prevail fascism in Europe and the World.

    Denying the fascist influence and inspiration of peronism is a proof that you know nothing about argentine history and the different processes of it.

    Apr 08th, 2016 - 12:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Lucifer

    Sunpacy sounds like Axel Arg.

    Just as dumb and out of touch with reality

    We call it brainwashed in the real world.

    So many Argys are like that its scary. You can see why the country continues to get poorer and dumber every year.

    Apr 08th, 2016 - 12:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • sunpacy

    “You might like or not but Peron, and his government, decorated Gral. Francisco Franco, Gral. Augusto Pinochet, Gral. Alfredo Storessnerr, Batista, Nicolae Caucescu. These are historical facts. What a nice collection of democrats !!!”

    They are not historical facts, Historical facts are Tatcher defended Pinochet, Peron never met Batista (that is an historical fact) I am very well aware of Argentine and US history. You see history in a binary way or you are “A” or you are “B” Peron will never would praise a war Criminal like Churchill, not even the own British people did who vote him out after one term WHO DON“T KNOW ABOUT HISTORY accusing Peron of fascism proof you know nothing about Argentine history and as most people you talk from perception no facts it feel Peron was a fascist but if you analyze history carefully you will see no only that Peron had no trades or deals with any fascist government but yes had with the Standard Oil of USA or with the Swift meat processor of England and if you read the Peron's ”Plan Quinquenal” is a faithful copy of the Roosevelt NEW DEAL. Roosevelt was a Keynesian as Peron was.

    Apr 08th, 2016 - 01:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Lucifer

    27. Poor Dumb Argy.

    http://theredphoenixapl.org/2012/03/05/juan-peron-and-social-fascism-in-argentina/

    Apr 08th, 2016 - 01:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • pgerman

    @27

    Peron have never met Francisco Franco but it was quite clear that there was a pollitical alliance between both governments. He might never met Batista but he was decorated by his government.

    Are you really saying that Peron had no trades or deals with any fascist government? Who was Francisco Franco? Was he a democrat? Peron and France signed plenty of commercial agreements. Now let me know that you consider that Franco was not a fascist...ja ja ja

    Pinochet was awarded by Peron after he killed Salvador Allende (who was not only socialist but also a freemason) so Peron was quite aware whom Pinochet was. Margaret Thatcher was also quite aware of whom Pinochet was..it's a UK issue and they must cope with it.

    Peron took part of Uriburu coup d'etat. Peron was vicepresident and Labour Minister of Farrell copu d'etat. He took advantage of these two position to became popular.

    Peron decorated Pinochet, Batista, Stroessnerr, Francisco Franco, Nicolae Caucescu..it is quite clear the kind of govenrment he was fond of...deal with it !!

    I have never seen Macri awarding a dictator....

    In addition, who on the hell can consider Wiston CHurchill and war criminal???

    Apr 08th, 2016 - 02:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Lucifer

    Argentina/Venezuela and Brazil need a Pinochet now.

    Apr 08th, 2016 - 02:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • pgerman

    @30

    Argentina doesn't need a Pinochet..we had many of it's kind...we need a Wiston CHurchill

    Apr 08th, 2016 - 02:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Lucifer

    There are too many uneducated people to expect democracy to be successful in any of those countries.

    Apr 08th, 2016 - 03:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • sunpacy

    “Argentina/Venezuela and Brazil need a Pinochet now.”

    “Argentina doesn't need a Pinochet..we had many of it's kind...we need a Wiston CHurchill”

    I rest my case with both of you, I don't know who is more dangerous with those comments
    The difference between you and me guys is we both have a finger stick in our asses by the system, the difference is you like the finger in your ass and I still don't.
    VOLVEREMOS

    Apr 08th, 2016 - 03:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Lucifer

    I don't like in any of those Sh*thole countries and never will.

    Apr 08th, 2016 - 06:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • pgerman

    @33

    The “system”....Are you against the system? Yes sure, you are a peronist who love JD Peron and Evita, sing the “Marcha Peronista” and as the Gral once said “from home to the job and from the job to home” but you are against “the system”.

    Any peronist must love and follow “the systtem”...you know “United and organized”....being against the system and the leader is being against the country.

    Apr 08th, 2016 - 06:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (33) sumpacy
    It's ok you giving up on those two...
    One Yankee troll and one argie gorilla...

    HASTA LA VICTORIA, SIEMPRE...
    El Think
    Chubut, Argentina

    Apr 08th, 2016 - 07:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • sunpacy

    “I don't like in any of those Sh*thole countries and never will.”

    And We Argentineans are happy that an ass hole like you never will set foot in our beautiful nation

    Yes I like the system when is as Peron quoted socially just, economically free and politically sovereign. 1949

    Colonialist want Argentina be the back yard of USA but a difference of other south american nations We had Peron, and they will never forgive that, THAT IS WHAT MAKE ME PERONISTA, I love the fact that Argentina is the pimple is the ass of all central countries. We are slaves of Europe and USA but we resist and that is what is valuable resist. Ass hole like you are already gone you accepted the fact that you are fucked by the 1 upper percent and you are trying to see how you can live with that finger sticked in your ass with the hope that one day you will be part of that 1%. That's why you pray for Churchill. Hay que ser pelotudo

    Apr 08th, 2016 - 08:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • McCool

    @27 sunpacy

    “ You see history in a binary way or you are “A” or you are “B” Peron will never would praise a war Criminal like Churchill”

    What are these war crimes you speak of?

    Apr 08th, 2016 - 09:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (38)
    Try these, for starters
    http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/01/28/winston-churchill-the-imperial-monster/

    Apr 08th, 2016 - 09:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    30 Lucifer (#)
    Apr 08th, 2016 - 02:38 pm
    Report abuse

    “Argentina/Venezuela and Brazil need a Pinochet now”

    YB,

    People often make stupid decisions. It took the Argentines a long time to realise they had to stop voting for the K's.

    However, the MAJORITY finally rejected CFK's ideology and admin, and voted in a better alternative.

    You are at odds with the concept of Democracy.
    Your arrogance, declaring who or who not is worthy of voting, does not sound very 'American'.

    Trump says he “loves the Uneducated... ”.

    The GOP is determined to thwart the nomination of the overwhelmingly popular Trump because he 'threatens' the Party.

    The GOP thinks it knows better than the “Uneducated” Republican faithful.
    It is in defiance of Democratic principles.

    What a paradox - for both of you!!

    Apr 08th, 2016 - 11:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • McCool

    @39 Think

    Interesting read. Many thanks!

    Apr 09th, 2016 - 12:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • sunpacy

    “People often make stupid decisions. It took the Argentines a long time to realise they had to stop voting for the K's.

    However, the MAJORITY finally rejected CFK's ideology and admin, and voted in a better alternative.”

    Is funny you express yourself like if you know what are you talking about but you don't

    Apr 09th, 2016 - 01:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    @42

    ...says the K dupe.

    Apr 09th, 2016 - 03:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • sunpacy

    “...says the K dupe.”

    No, my dear Gorila if Macri had to face CFK in election would loose. Macri had to face Scioli and not even the K people likeed Scioli. The argentine people will vote CFK right back once she is legal to be president again which means next election.
    That's why you know nothing and you are talking out of your ass. “FINALLY REJECTED CFK ” the farewell event in Plaza de Mayo the night before had more people that Macri's inauguration. She left office with 48% favorable image according with Gallup Macri after 100 days is in 34% so WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT

    Apr 09th, 2016 - 03:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    @44 K dupe

    I admire your loyalty

    LOL !!! :-D

    Apr 09th, 2016 - 03:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • chronic

    Cameron is really scrambling for political cover on PP's. Macaroni is just waiting for the other shoe to drop. Appearance may overshadow substance. This could be interesting.

    Apr 09th, 2016 - 09:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • sunpacy

    @44 K dupe

    I admire your loyalty

    LOL !!! :-D

    Is not Loyalty is just boring plane numbers CFK never lost an election and never will too good of a government It was Scioli, Fernandez, Sabatella whom lost the election Cristina no at all. ME VERAS VOLVER

    Apr 09th, 2016 - 12:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    K dupe

    Sure,

    The People took out the trash.

    Now she'll go to jail.

    Apr 09th, 2016 - 12:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Lucifer

    I am not at odds with democracy. I don't think democracy works when you have a mostly uneducated population.
    At least I've never seen where it works when the population is uneducated.

    If you think so give me some examples.

    I await your brilliance.

    GD Canadians are stupid.

    Apr 09th, 2016 - 02:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Dany Berger

    We all know where the USA stands in education and intelligent people. No one needs proof as you provide hourly of each day.

    http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2010/dec/07/world-education-rankings-maths-science-reading

    http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2010/dec/07/world-education-rankings-maths-science-reading

    http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2010/dec/07/world-education-rankings-maths-science-reading

    http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2010/dec/07/world-education-rankings-maths-science-reading

    http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2010/dec/07/world-education-rankings-maths-science-reading

    http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2010/dec/07/world-education-rankings-maths-science-reading

    While this is nation to nation, it get's more interesting if one compares state to state as GOP states appear to the the least educated......go figure!?!?! On another note, the top 10 poorest states are Republican and they take the most net tax dollars from the federal government.

    So, you brag of this education system of yours satan?

    ALL HAIL THE DONALD!!!!!!!!!!!! SIG HEIL

    Apr 09th, 2016 - 04:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    @49 YB/Lucifer

    “I am not at odds with democracy. I don't think democracy works when you have a mostly uneducated population”

    YB,
    Your convictions that the uneducated are not 'qualified' to vote, echo the same arrogance and the actions of the GOP.

    The overwhelmingly popular Trump's “uneducated” supporters are not deemed qualified to select the 'best' Republican candidate.

    Like you, the GOP would 'stop' them having their democratic say - for their own good of course.

    If you were a real USA American, you would find this a great contradiction of the democratic principles 'your' nation was founded on.

    “Awaiting your brilliance... ”

    Apr 09th, 2016 - 04:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Lucifer

    The USA has a highly educated population.

    Smarter than Canada

    That's for sure.

    Apr 09th, 2016 - 05:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    @52 YB/ Lucifer

    yep... STILL waiting....

    LOL, :-D

    @Dany Berger,

    Fuck off - the Troll with the supposed GERMAN background, who can't spell in German...

    LMAO at both of you...

    Apr 09th, 2016 - 05:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Lucifer

    I don't see a question.
    GD Canadians are stupid.

    Apr 09th, 2016 - 07:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • sunpacy

    Double Answer|
    Ass hole #1 Troy Tempest

    K dupe
    Sure,
    The People took out the trash.
    Now she'll go to jail.

    Macri is closer to go to jail than CFK.
    Please show me the evidence so far is only MEDIA ACCUSATIONS but nothing no secret accounts nothing but all over the sudden the new DECENT PRESIDENT have two off shore shale companies (is not Illegal) but is illegal no to reportit to the AFIP (IRS) you can have all the money you want as long you reported. That is the differences CFK have a lot of money but we know because she reported that money, Only Macri and his cabinet have secret no reported accounts.

    To Ass hole #2

    Lucifer
    “The USA has a highly educated population.
    Smarter than Canada
    That's for sure.”

    That is the funniest thing I ever read in my life. A country that rather spend million in find out if a president got a blow job but don't mind investigate if thousands of Americans died for no reason in Iraq, oh yeah make Americans very smart, that's why elected and re elected GW Bush Sarah Palin and Trump lead the polls that is because Americans are so smart, So smarts the national past time is men hitting their heads in something they call Football, so Smart they are 26 in education in the world, so smart they have the biggest obese population in the world, the biggest prison population in the world and their capitalist system is so good that they need every quarter borrow money form the biggest communist country in the world in order to sustain their fail economy. So smart especially if you read what Lucifer write in this forum, I guess Lucifer take smartness from his starting point that's explain it.

    Apr 09th, 2016 - 07:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    @52 Lucifer/YB faker

    The rest of the world is not looking upon this USA GOP runoff as an election, as much as an intelligence test.

    But why would you care, you're not from there, and you don't believe in Trumps “Uneducated” supporters.

    Apr 09th, 2016 - 11:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Lucifer

    They're still smarter than you.

    Apr 10th, 2016 - 01:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • sunpacy

    “The rest of the world is not looking upon this USA GOP runoff as an election, as much as an intelligence test.”

    OH YES they are the rest of the world can't believe how someone like Trump even have a chance and the question is always same Are Americans fucking stupid?

    ”But why would you care, you're not from there, and you don't believe in Trumps “Uneducated” supporters.:

    I do care because American people are the only chance the rest of the world have to live in peace and prosperity If americans demand from their leaders to live the fuck alone the rest of the world, the entire planet will do better.

    Apr 10th, 2016 - 01:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    @57 YB/Luci

    “They're still smarter than you.”

    Oh, brilliant comeback! :-D

    Now, even the K-dupe @58 is making you look like a dumbass.

    Apr 10th, 2016 - 03:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Lucifer

    59. Troy, every American is smarter than any Candanian.
    We think your country is full of weak wristed good -hearted dimwits and it woudn't exist if not for the USA.

    You've done nothing but prove everything we already know.

    Apr 10th, 2016 - 09:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    @60 YB/T.Paine/Lucifer

    “Troy, every American is smarter than any Candanian”

    ...as you have just so ably demonstrated.

    I'm sure the “Candians” are mortally offended.

    Are you one of Trump's “uneducated”?

    Apr 10th, 2016 - 02:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • McCool

    @60 lucifer

    “ every American is smarter than any Candanian.”

    Hahaha. BEST. FAIL. EVER!!

    Apr 10th, 2016 - 03:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Lucifer

    I've never met a smart Canadian.
    Not once
    Not ever
    In fact the ones claiming to be on this board are some of the dumbest posters and that's really saying something with all the Argys here.

    Apr 10th, 2016 - 05:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    @63 “Lucy”

    Ha ha ha, FAIL !!

    :-D

    Apr 10th, 2016 - 06:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Lucifer

    You sure about that?

    Apr 10th, 2016 - 09:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    The “Candanians” surely are!

    Apr 10th, 2016 - 09:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Lucifer

    Oh my are you correcting my spelling?
    Sorry I thought my phone did that.
    Stupid Canuck.

    Apr 10th, 2016 - 11:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    @62 McCool

    “@60 lucifer

    “ every American is smarter than any Candanian.”

    Hahaha. BEST. FAIL. EVER!!”

    Apr 11th, 2016 - 02:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Welsh Wizard

    @25 I'm not Argentinian you cockwomble. Also, I wasn't espousing historical truth, rather perception of a persona.

    Apr 11th, 2016 - 12:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Tarquin Fin

    Canadians seem to be pretty smart people to me. Just like Americans.

    Anyhow, I'm argentinian so how the f... could I tell the difference, right?

    Apr 12th, 2016 - 03:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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