MercoPress. South Atlantic News Agency
Argentina begins next Monday road-show in UK and US to raise US$ 15bn
Argentine representatives will begin meeting investors Monday as the country returns to the international bond market for the first time in 15 years, it was announced by Economy minister Alfonso Prat-Gay from Bahamas, where he is attending the Inter American Bank annual assembly. Read full article
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Apr 09th, 2016 - 05:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.clarin.com/politica/Imputaron-Cristina-Kirchner-lavado-dinero_0_1555644672.html
http://www.clarin.com/politica/Imputaron-Cristina-Kirchner-lavado-dinero_0_1555644672.html
CFK will never make it to the next election - cooling her Jimmy Choo's in prison... !
Apr 09th, 2016 - 06:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Marcos A. might enjoy the story following that one - “Lack of penis threatens Dutch porn industry”
Macri. Now it will hold a five-day road-show in the UK ,
Apr 09th, 2016 - 06:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0two things will happen,
1, he will be refused entry , or ignored, r mass protests against argentines treatment against the Falkland's,
2,
they will roll out the red carpet, cheer him in the streets,
he will be invited to either speak in parliament or visit number ten,
he will be treats as a special friend of Britain and our rich money loaded government or businessmen will promise or donate millions to him and Argentina,
its just my humble opinion,
Operating an ongoing criminal conspiracy to defraud is violation of the RICO Act. Macaroni should tread carefully unless he can obtain prior authorization from the DOJ to promote the sale of rg financial instruments.
Apr 09th, 2016 - 07:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@4 From what I see, they are going to the UK, not the US.
Apr 09th, 2016 - 10:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 03 - if anything Brits should cheer Macri for deterring more settlers/squatters, they're a costly bunch for the GB taxpayer to support. Un-necessary too.
Apr 09th, 2016 - 10:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0V bad for international business relations too.
All round annoyance, even in GB terms. No wonder GB tried to unburden itself of them previously. Each one costs GB tens of thousands of pounds and produces only problems.
@6
Apr 09th, 2016 - 10:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You sure are one funny bugger Vestige - pity ypu don't try getting some facts correct for a change - but hey lying is the Argentine way of life.
@6 Vestigial's argument is monumentally silly. Like saying that Santa Cruz province is bankrupt so let's give it back to Paraguay. Like people in the US imagining that Montana is getting a little bit too much in Federal tax money so it should be sold to Manitoba.
Apr 09th, 2016 - 11:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Does these Argentines have any idea of how absurd they seem to the rest of the world? Actually it's best they are so open about their silliness, the better for all to be aware and so cheaply amused.
Oh no!
Apr 10th, 2016 - 04:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0I had almost forgotten!
All rgs lie!
Just ask Reeeeeeeeekie!
Argies pull out the begging bowl again. And again.
Apr 10th, 2016 - 06:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0#6
Apr 10th, 2016 - 09:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0Anything that annoys prats like you is money well spent for entertainment value alone !
Maybe they can find the estimated U$20 Billion the Ks have stashed away?
Apr 10th, 2016 - 09:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0I can't wait to see CFK hauled away without her wig and caked on make-up.
I am pretty sure she looks like Gollum.
Actually very sure.
@6
Apr 10th, 2016 - 02:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“they're a costly bunch for the GB taxpayer to support”
So are the Argentines. The aid going to Argentina should be spent on BOT infrastructure instead.
7 - youre right im lying. The isles and their defense are not a cost adjustment in GBs budget.
Apr 10th, 2016 - 04:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Various ships and personnel would be sent to the south atlantic to float around aimlessly in any case.
A big barrel of money would be tipped into the water for the fun of it.
Its completely cost free. And doesnt affect the gb taxpayers life whatsoever.
@14 Swan Vesta
Apr 10th, 2016 - 06:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thx for your concern
@14 There are several UK claims, territories, and interests in the region in addition to the the Falkland Islands. And a number of nations send ships to the region even without such territories. Money spent keeping the imperial Argentines at bay is money well spent, well invested, and much appreciated.
Apr 10th, 2016 - 06:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Now, in the absence of any meaningful or serious arguments on the matter, argentos are largely satisfied by invention and fantasy, since self-deception is the cornerstone of their world-view and economy. To hear an argento describe the Falklands is not unlike listening to someone describe their intimate relationships with extraterrestrials. So well do the clever argentos know the Falklands that every time a Land Rover needs an oil-change on the islands the argentos see this as a heavenly sign that the whole of the Commonwealth is about to be swallowed by the earth.
In matters of money and financial management we certainly know who are the least qualified to reveal either useful observations, positive balances, or balanced budgets, particularly now that everyone knows that even though Argentina has over US$50 billion stuffed into its mattresses, it can't even come up with the money that it famously promised to pay its many thousands of shortchanged creditors by 14 April. And it now looks as though Argentina's next default will be measured in months, right after the coming little “ajuste.” And they want to advise others on how to spend their money? De ninguna manera, José.
He's got to come to the City of London because we have got all the money. Whether we will lend him any is doubtful. The interest he pays will fund the defence of the Falklands - thats justice..
Apr 11th, 2016 - 07:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0#14
Apr 11th, 2016 - 09:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0I see you have got it right at last. There is not much use in having a navy if it stays in port- a là Argentine navy. Similarly with our army and air force. Operating away from home prepares them for any future conflict.
Just now we have started a NATO naval exercise off the west coast of Scotland in waters and terrain not unlike the Falklands and S.Atlantic. I saw some of the NATO fleet leaving the Clyde waters yesterday. US and Canadian vessels are also involved. Good training for the S.Atlantic where lessons learned can be applied down there.
The Falklands are an ideal training ground for our forces and we do not need any other country's permission to be there.
I realise that you are sorely troubled at the expense to the long-suffering British tax payer but we are quite happy to shoulder the burden to keep you plonkers in your place.
18 - Remote Scottish terrain makes for a much more cost effective means of training as it has everything that the malvinas has. Remote wales the same. Plenty of similarly wet dank terrain in GB.
Apr 11th, 2016 - 10:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0The malvinas offer nothing to GB.
Except cost.
Thats why gb earlier tried to rid itself of the weight.
@19 You can wish away the British presence in the South Atlantic and Antarctica as much as you like. The vast majority of British people support it and since your pathetic attempt at invasion, subjugation and colonisation we are more supporting of the Falkland Islanders than ever. We were the first to really explore the region as is evident from the naming of islands and areas and the first to colonise various places long before you Spaniards. So you can whine away to yourselves for ever, we just don't care. You can all bugger off back to Spain leaving the land you are occupying to its rightful owners, the Amerindians. That would be a just outcome.
Apr 11th, 2016 - 10:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0#19
Apr 11th, 2016 - 11:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0Correct. The Malvinas offer NOTHING to the UK. However, the Falklands give us the opportunity to deploy over long distances with the certainty of a friendly harbour, airfield and base at the other end---and we like penguins.
Yes, the UK tried to get rid of the Falklands when we thought Argentina was a civilized country. You showed your true colours in 1982 so we learnt from our mistake.
Your continual harping on about the poor British taxpayer is falling on deaf ears
as we know you are clutching at straws. If it's pissing you off -- GOOD, it's money well spent.
Go back to Troll HQ and think of another pointless strategy.
@21 Actually nowadays the Falklands do offer some things to the US and UK, perhaps minor to those outside the wire and the cognoscenti. There are apparently now or in the works several intel-related sites, which if I am not mistaken include a nuclear event detection facility, intel comm relay, and a SIGINT site. And some other strategic items which nobody is talking about just yet. But... listening...
Apr 11th, 2016 - 01:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And then there is the matter of the resources which have been swelling the local coffers and the enormous value of yet undeveloped resources, all of which augur the keeping friendly and tight with the islanders. Investment opportunities the likes of which the argentos would surely bugger up and which are better left to the skilled and the capable.
“ ... when we thought Argentina was a civilized country...”
I don't think this has ever been the case. Corrupt, unreliable, sneaky, inept, dishonest, bankrupt, barbarous, expansionist, brutal, yes. But civilised, not so much.
22 - yes local coffers, if the mystery oil ever does actually materialize. All rumor and bs, just like these new mystery Intel comm relays. Which still wouldn't justify the cost.
Apr 11th, 2016 - 02:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 021 - why do you think its pissing me off ? Don't you realize I've never said I'm an rg on this forum. Maybe I like the whole mess. Maybe it shows up the failures of GBs past foreign expansion policies.
23 Vestige
Apr 11th, 2016 - 03:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You've never said you are 'anything' on this forum.
You are detractor and nothing more.
Your motives are unknown and only guessed at.
Your affiliations and political/regional associations are secret.
You still seem pissed off...
@23 “ if the mystery oil ever does actually materialize”
Apr 11th, 2016 - 03:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0More than oil, but that's OK, you've conceded that your knowledge is limited on these matters. And there are countries that recognise long-term investment without the constant threat that some populist government will nationalise it all. Like some places we know, that begin with ARG.
14 Vestige (#)its back pocket change what we spend down there and makes no difference whatsoever. It would be spent anyway in other parts of the world where we have our military. You should know this coming from Scotland
Apr 11th, 2016 - 04:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@26 ”Vestige (#)its back pocket change what we spend down there...”
Apr 11th, 2016 - 04:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That's right. Less than two tenths of one percent of the UK defence budget is spent on the Falklands.
Or about one percent of the amount that Argentistan spends on the silly Malvinas signs that they put up at the pasos fronterizos.
@23 If you are not an RG, what are you then? You certainly seem pissed off in every post you make. The Falklands expenditure certainly irks you and that is very satisfying to us because it shows you are impotent. You sound just like that twerp Voice from Dunoon to me. Are you yet another of Think's sock puppets? The British people support the Falkland Islanders right to self determination. South Georgia and the other Islands and the surrounding marine zones that we own are being well looked after as is Queen Elizabeth Land. You lot can keep your thieving hands off and bugger off back to Spain or wherever you slithered from and give the land you stole back to the original inhabitants. That would clean up the South Atlantic nicely.
Apr 11th, 2016 - 04:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 024 - 4/5 not bad.
Apr 11th, 2016 - 05:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 027 - tell that to someone on an NHS hospital trolley. How much does two tenths of one percent of the defense budget come to per colonist ? I'd read 70,000 p.a. per kelpanite. Though admittedly that's hearsay.
GB could have allies in the s.a. but too many have Churchill syndrome (shoutout to the tabloids). The same all lording never compromise with Jonny foreigner righteousness that cost Britain the empire. The same old Sparta rigmarole.
Feels good yes, but not effective in the long run.
If brexit comes through you'll see exactly why in Sparta-minor aka GiB.
Vote ukip.
If you knew 29 anything about Britain, you would know theres more to Britain than just trade. Our people matter more. Your darling RGland has different priorities. It wants to steal peoples homes and 'suicide' opponents. Thats not been our way for the last 50 years. Go home… to Spain or wherever you slithered from
Apr 11th, 2016 - 06:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@29 Vestige
Apr 11th, 2016 - 06:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What I said @24 boils down to - you have no credibility and very dubious values and political motives.
Thanks for confirming that.
#23
Apr 11th, 2016 - 07:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Who cares if you are an ARGIE or not. You espouse their sentiments so you are in their camp. As you have not got the guts to declare your nationality. You are attempting to hide under a neutral persona which you obviously believe gives your opinions more gravitas. It doesn't work.
Or maybe you ARE just a paid Troll who comes on when required to give the other Trolls some respite when they are outed.
The Falkland's like Gibraltar reminds Britain of its freedom and democracy,
Apr 11th, 2016 - 07:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0is it worth defending, you bet it is,
these two in particular tells us that their neighbours are a form of dictatorship , violent aggressive and power mad,
Spain and Argentina shows the free world why we can never let our guard down,
because countries like these two would destroy democracy and the freedoms that go with it.
as long as they want to remain British, we have a moral obligation to protect them,
as long as their are mad bad sad power hungry violent dictators ,
then we must always stand to protect the freedoms of others.
And until the likes of Spain and Argentina wish to live in the past, and refuse to grow up and live in the 21st century in peace ,
then they can never ever be trusted.
just my humble opinion.
Vestige is worried about the UK spending money and yet which country is visiting the UK asking for money?
Apr 12th, 2016 - 04:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0#nofuckingidea
LOL
Apr 12th, 2016 - 05:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0Not worried, just bringing the facts.
Apr 12th, 2016 - 01:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#liability
@36
Apr 12th, 2016 - 03:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#RTnewsundermine
Meanwhile, the holdout situation is getting interesting. And we return to the earlier observations about the Argentine government having no scruples about continuing to cheat the Argentine bondholder holdouts more than the foreign holdouts. According to the material being presented by the Argentine bondholders who paid the full face value of their bonds, and who won US court decisions against the Argentine government and in demand of payment, they are getting offered considerably less than those who bought the bonds more cheaply and in some cases also much less than those bondholders who don't even have court decisions in their favour. And it looks like the Argentine government still hasn't made deals with about 10 percent of the bondholders, so there are a lot of cabos sueltos yet to be tied up. And Argentina is saying they won't pay bondholders for whom that government thinks they have a loophole in the form of expired statutes of limitations. Sneaky, underhanded, Argentine. As always. Ah, and the Argentine government is apparently scheduled to pay the full amounts recently negotiated for the big-dog hedge funds first. If they don't get the big checks by Thursday, they, the hedge fund principals, can send the entire negotiation for everybody -- everything that Pratfall and company think they accomplished -- into the trash, game over. Hard to say why they would, but they have that option. So no, this deal is not done yet. Argentina doesn't even have the money on hand to pay anybody.
Apr 12th, 2016 - 06:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#36
Apr 12th, 2016 - 08:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have to agree with you on this one. Lending money to Argentina would certainly be a H-U-G-E liability !
@39 Clyde
Apr 12th, 2016 - 11:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Bear in mind that Vestige is only taking the opportunity to play his usual game - let's wobble Macri, let's undermine reform, lets divide the UK Brits and the US.
Lol wot. #40.
Apr 13th, 2016 - 12:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0Tinfoil trilby troy 'the turnip' tempest talks total trash.
Anyway,.. back to undermining reform, if you'll excuse me.
Is there anyone Troy doesn't troll?
Apr 13th, 2016 - 12:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0Stupid Canuck troll.
Fred don't you have a couch to move and a house to stage? For someone so important and busy and successful you spend an inordinate about of your day posting on here. You weren't even part of the conversation. Christ get a life or hobby other than Mercopress, mate.
Apr 14th, 2016 - 09:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Vestige
I know you like to attempt to create memes based on some deeply claimed investigative research you have undertaken but if every country cutoff that which costs them more than they produce then many of the new Australians I saw in Centrelink (social security office) yesterday would need to be shipped back to where they came from and we'd need to offload the entire state of Tasmania to someone.
Countries are more than cost benefit analyses incarnate. Unlike you they are able manage competing needs and be beholden to more than one priority at a time.
Well there's some truth to that.
Apr 15th, 2016 - 05:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0However, I feel its important to let kelponianas know that they're actually holding back the country whose flag they wave so fiercely and continuously.
Rather than helping, their self entitlement to land half the size of Wales actually is anything but patriotic.
A loose analogy would be that of the radical west bank Israeli land thief.
Perhaps Argenzuela could return Tierra del Fuego in a effort to validate Vestige's notions.
Apr 15th, 2016 - 07:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0ha ha
I mean, chuckle chuckle
Tdf doesn't cost tens of millions in wasted defense. Its not a pointless relic 12,000 km from BA.
Apr 15th, 2016 - 09:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ha ha ha.
Hehehe. Hohoho. Laughing at my own hilarious comment.
I mean, chuckle chuckle.
Vestige
Apr 15th, 2016 - 11:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am unsure how the Falkland Islanders are “holding back the country”?
I could list hundreds of things that are holding back any country but again that doesn't mean they should be cut off or discarded.
Pensioners, non-English speakers, disabled children..... you could argue all three people are “holding back the country”. Doesn't mean we should liquidate them.
Your fascination with what constitutes a drag on UK society and its economy is very reminiscent of 1930s Germany.
Even if you could prove the Falklands holds back the UK, you couldn't find a single state that doesn't have some constituent part that could also have the same label. I don't see countries willy nilly hiving off territory for some idealistic greater good for the remaining population.
You've picked a Malvinista meme without giving it any deal of thought.
@47 Skip
Apr 16th, 2016 - 03:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0The “Vestige” incarnation is really quite an unsophisticated Troll.
But then, Marcos A. is not much of a role model for him.
One of the most juvenile Trolls.
Agreed Troy
Apr 16th, 2016 - 11:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0He posts as if he is an expert relaying information to children when all he is doing is barely hiding the axe that he continually grinds. He gloats over anything that he sees as a British setback while proclaiming his total innocence and neutral position. He offers a small target by offering no insight into himself or information and then proclaims it will be used against him. Honestly if you can't withstand attacks because of who you are.... well then why do you dislike yourself so much? Quite sad. Other than idiots like Fred Bates or Enrique that used their own names on this site, I have given out so much information about myself and people still have to make up stuff to attack me. It's possible to share and be anonymous.
But anyway, enough about him..... more about me. I've been accepted and enrolled into McGill. FRSL105, CLAS203, URBP504 and URBP537 if anyone can be bothered to see what I'll be studying in the .... Fall Semester.... I keep getting Fall Semester and Winter Semester mixed up but working it out now. Got work for July so am now flying out July 31st to NYC. 4 days there then Amtrak to Montreal. On track to not needing to work if I shake enough money out of my university and government. I wonder if Voice will believe me this time... or will a year of posting at a different time not be enough?
Probably won't get as far west as VanCity but may get to my brother's in Calgary for Christmas.
Skip,
Apr 16th, 2016 - 12:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Good to hear. Montreal is a remarkable place! You will surely enjoy it, and McGill is a prestigious University. Congratulations.
Despite the Troll detractors, those credentials that will hold up anywhere.
I wonder if Habitat Montreal is still there. At Montral's Expo '67 it was a great cutting edge display of multi-dwelling urban living.
It will be interesting to hear your take on Canadian politics and world perspective.
An interesting contrast to the shrill pronouncements of Fred/YB/Luci and “Comic”, the 'American' from Dunoon.
I am in Toronto currently. Very vibrant and very multi-cultural. Montreal is more so.
Be sure to visit Quebec City while you are there - 100's of years of both French and English history.
I am sure you will enjoy Calgary, but it is a very different culture from Quebec.
Cheers,
Troy
PS
you may have noticed ilsen is back. That's good.
There was an article in the Economist two weeks ago -“ Venzla is the new Zimbabwe”
Meanwhile, the bond sale.
Apr 16th, 2016 - 01:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The three top ratings agencies have given their opinions on the new Argentine bond offerings.
The verdict: in the language of the industry, they are all junk.
S&P analysis of Argentina, reflecting the opinion that conditions point to worsening of the national debt and likely inability to meet external debt obligations:
”....inflation remains high, likely above 40%, and we expect GDP to contract this year (in part because of fiscal and monetary tightening), demonstrating the political and economic challenges that lie ahead. We expect a slow economic recovery for Argentina. We expect GDP to contract 0.5% in 2016 and only expand around 1.9% in 2017.”
Meanwhile, the UK is moving to become the world's fourth-largest economy, and planning to increase investment in the Falkland Islands.
47 - interesting point. However, the difference in the case of the colonists is that they were requested by the very govt that funds them to cooperate for the greater good of the very flag they wave, they didn't cooperate.
Apr 16th, 2016 - 03:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(Yet remained quite willing to receive funds and toss aside GBs international concerns ... patriotism)
There's also the question of capability. Disabled children, pensioners etc are incapable. The colonists on the other hand for all purposes live within a couple of square kilometers while claiming a vast empty area. Cooperation with both GB and Argentina would have been quite easy.
So now the isles are a strange dull hamlet fortress. With a pariah future. And serve only to stir animosity between GB and Argentina. And to cost the GB taxpayer tens of millions which should have helped at home.
Not out of incapacity, but out of choice.
I really don't think Montreal is the town for you.
Faites gaffe.
if I shake enough money out of my university and government
Apr 16th, 2016 - 04:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Pathetic loser.
If Vestigial is so concerned about the cost of colonies that can't be supported, perhaps it could convince Bs As to remove its costly colonies on the British territory in Antarctica, so that the UK won't have to in the future. Particularly since Argentina can't even support its colonies there without recurring to expensive Russian shipping, while the health care of its mainland residents suffers, its infrastructure crumbles, its educational system decays, annual inflation approaches 40 percent, the country falls further into debt, and the economy spirals into the mud.
Apr 16th, 2016 - 05:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Usual hyperbole.
Apr 16th, 2016 - 06:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That said, I'm sure they'd oblige.
Also unsurprising to see GB claiming yet more distant lands.
This time without the colonist nonsense ... Letting the mask slip.
The UK claim goes back a long time. Argentina is a come-lately. Day late and dollar short.
Apr 16th, 2016 - 06:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@53 Luci
Apr 16th, 2016 - 07:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“ ”...if I shake enough money out of my university and government“.
Pathetic loser.” says Luci
Ha ha, Luci/YB/Fred,
Skip aimed that glib sarcasm directly at you and the other screeching harpies.
You are such a pedant.
What did you say your IQ was, again?
You know, just for a chuckle.
@52 Vestige,
“...serve only to stir animosity between GB and Argentina”
Argentina is the only one creating and perpetuating animosity.
Just because you say things, doesn't make them true.
As I said earlier, you're rather a simple Troll.
Surely Marvos A. can do better... ?
57 - prior GB govts thought as I do. The colonists could share and still live uninterrupted, promoting friendship between 10s of millions. Enhancing their own isolated lives, while reducing their burden on the flag they wave.
Apr 16th, 2016 - 08:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But they chose not to.
Imperial history repeats itself.
@58 vestige
Apr 16th, 2016 - 08:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As I said earlier, you're rather a simple Troll.
@58 The residents of the Falklands know very well what the argentos are made of.
Apr 16th, 2016 - 09:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In 1982 it took quite a while to clean that shite off their floors.
59 - oh the irony.
Apr 16th, 2016 - 11:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Vestige you seem to be trying very vainly to show that the Falkland Islands being British is some sort of negative for the UK as a whole. But you have yet to do it.
Apr 17th, 2016 - 06:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0You arguments and reasoning are circular. I think it there it must be true. You can't show and no one has been able to show why the Falklands are bad for the UK. You would think if it was such a logical and easily understood issue that there would have been dozens of papers on it. But I am probably guessing that outside of some newspaper articles there isn't much out there.
Indeed your argument seems to boil down to the whole playing the rape victim for being in the wrong place or wearing the wrong clothes and therefore being culpable for what happens.
It wasn't the Falkland Islanders that invaded Argentina in 1982 but supposedly it is the Falkland Islanders that are the cause of problems between Argentina and the UK or South America and the UK. You don't seem to give any weight to the Argentinean constitution or to the attempts at economic blockade or sabotage. You ignore the cooperation that began after 1982 and was stopped by Argentina's former government.
You associate Argentina's action as the fault of the Falkland Islanders because the Falkland Islanders won't accept incorporation or rule (whether full or partial) by a foreign country with a foreign culture.
Uruguay, Uruguay, Bolivia, Peru, Chile... all or in part were part of the Viceroyalty of Rio de La Plata and their existence isn't an affront to the Argentineans.
Keep grinding the axe mate, you are on the wrong side of history but you do try to create some interesting memes.
Montreal may not be for me in your eyes, but at least I am not ashamed of where I am.
As for Fred.... I actually wrote that for you. Don't be upset you can pay taxes to protect my country while I use my taxes to fund my overseas study. Seems fair to me, we don't want to be a superpower.
#58
Apr 17th, 2016 - 09:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0Imperial history ? You do talk a load of crap ! You seem to think that there are a huge web of countries still under the British Imperial yoke. Name them, prove that they are yearning to be free and that Britain is preventing this.
As to the Argentinians being friendly and benevolent to the Falklands IF they were handed over to Argentina that is just a load of guff. They had experience of Argentinian rule in 1982. Has the leopard changed it's spots ? I certainly would not trust them. Look at the attitude of Argie posters here and their camp followers. Squatters, pirates, thieves, turnips etc. Any derogatory name they can think of. Given control of their lives, it would be more of the same.
The Islanders probably like their isolated lives considering who their neighbours are.
If you pay UK taxes THEN your point of view is permissible. As you are Mr.invisible then you have no say in the matter.
#55
Also unsurprising to see GB claiming yet more distant lands.
Enumerate !
I presume you mean ANTARCTICA which the whole world knows and agrees that it belongs to Argentina. Does your statement only apply to the UK OR does it include the 7 sovereign nations who claim territory there ?
#62
Succinctly put. From what I have heard, Montreal is a culturally vibrant city.
Enjoy your stay but take your thermals with you...Winter is cold !
62 - who's on the wrong side of history ?
Apr 17th, 2016 - 12:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1tBlzLjQvJM
Hardly in the ascendency are ya....mate.
@64 Verbiage
Apr 17th, 2016 - 02:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why refer to academic research and historical fact, when we can just search YouTube ??
#64
Apr 17th, 2016 - 05:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It must be true...it's on youtube
Have you found a youtube video to confirm your assertion about “GB claiming yet more distant lands.” ?
Argentina still doesn't have the money to pay what was due on the 14th.
Apr 17th, 2016 - 06:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No surprise.
Still no agreement from Argentina to pay about 10 percent of the creditors.
No surprise.
The point is that skip is on the wrong side of history.
Apr 17th, 2016 - 06:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The contraction of British imperial culture continues slowly and steadily.
Jamaica now considering losing the majestic ones.
Brexit casting a shadow over Fabians theme park.
Aus and Canadas republicans calmly waiting for the most opportune time in history.
If we were living in the 19th century I'd have to admit to being on the wrong side of history. Thankfully only a few of you guys live there.
@68 Verbiage, Professional Doom-Sayer
Apr 17th, 2016 - 08:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Speaking of the 19th C. Lord Haw Haw, you seem to be confusing the presence of the Monarchy, with modern states of the Angloshere and their dominance on the world stage.
Sorry, our morale is 100% intact.
How's yours?
How long do you plan to sit on the street corner with your “The End is Nigh” placard?
Well up to the brexit vote anyway I suppose.
Apr 17th, 2016 - 11:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ask me after.
Vestige you have jumped topics... an obvious failure to respond to the topic.
Apr 18th, 2016 - 12:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0You are on the wrong side of history because peoples and lands are not traded willy-nilly by imperial powers like they once were. Like you remind us the UK once did.
The UK cannot force the Falkland Islanders to do anything. The Falkland Islanders are given the right of self-determination by the UN which Argentina itself defers to on this matter continuously.
And you are on the wrong side of history if you think that Australia and Canada being constitutional monarchies is your idea of some slowly ebbing tide of British imperial culture. The Australian Monarchy is the Australian Monarchy. You have never once for all your claims ever tried to understand our constitution which restrains our monarch to do certain things. Just because we pool our monarch with other countries doesn't mean we are subservient.
Not even the UK could change the laws on succession until countries such as Australia agreed and passed similar legislation. You really don't understand.
If Jamaica wants to become a republic then it can do so at any time.
You've mixed up several different topics now in a vain attempt to cover your initial claim. To vainly show that the Falkland Islands being British is some sort of negative for the UK as a whole.
It is 2016 and not the 19th century and yet you continue to treat the Falkland Islanders like they are some pawn in an imperial game of influence. That is why you are on the wrong side of history because you fail to understand the realities of 2016 in how the UK and the Falkland Islanders can interact and deal with Argentina.
I don't click Youtube links as they are usually a waste of time. Was yours?
Not really. It showed the pattern of rise and fall of the empire and how it peaked around 1914 and gradually declined over the decades.
Apr 18th, 2016 - 02:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0Naturally you don't normally go from empire to no empire overnight.
It took, and takes, small continual steps. Just as firsts and small progressions occur on the rise, so it is on the decline.
(A brexit here, a president there, an abdication, a referendum)
And the (unidirectional) forces that caused that change continue.
They can still be seen in Scotland, N.Ireland, Aus, Canada and Jamaica.
Most certainly in Montreal. As I'm sure you'll find.
A 1950's skip would have positively dropped his crumpet at the idea of such changes as have occurred to date.
And Vestige's Spanish Empire is finally at its lowest ebb.
Apr 18th, 2016 - 02:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0Only outdated egos and attitude now.
Oh, perhaps some jealousies too...
#72
Apr 18th, 2016 - 09:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0Scotland, N.Ireland part of the British Empire. The EU part of the British Empire ?
A somewhat stupid statement but what we have come to expect from you.
I believe I have asked you twice to give examples at #63 and #66.
“Also unsurprising to see GB claiming yet more distant lands.”
Dodging it as usual
Yes, Vestige, the British Empire slowly declined and then was abandoned. It didn't come to a violent end like the Spanish Empire. It wasn't abandoned like the Portuguese Empire. It wasn't lost in a single war like Germany's Empire. It wasn't dragged out and sabotaged like the French Empire. It decline and abandonment wasn't fought as genocidally as the current Chinese and Russian Empires are currently resisting.
Apr 18th, 2016 - 10:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0It was eventually encouraged. But not mandated. And that is what frustrates you. That it refuses to abandon or mandate independence for any countries that wish to retain ties.
I haven't claimed otherwise. But again you fail to go back to the topic you started.
Australia is no longer part of an Empire. Again and again you fail (deliberately or through ignorance) to understand how the Commonwealth Realms work.
You cannot compare Australia to Scotland or Northern Ireland. Both are nations within a state. Australia is a nation-state. You are either stupid or deliberately attempting to obfuscate by comparing otherwise.
Also, Scotland was a willing and active participant in the British Empire, it was not an English Empire but a British one. Scotland and the Scottish made great contributions (or destruction depending on your view) to the Empire across the world.
In Australia, the Crown is SUBSERVIENT to the constitution. That is why Australia is sometimes called a Crowned Republic. We are not part of the UK and haven't been since the Statue of Westminster. Each Commonwealth Realm is different but each is sovereign. It must be terribly disappointing that they didn't have to fight for it but got what they wanted when they wanted.
Which brings us back to your original claim. How is the Falkland Islands being British some sort of negative for the UK as a whole?
Continue your history lesson but you just won't or can't answer that even though you claim it.
74 - stupid words indeed. Naturally theyre yours, not mine.
Apr 18th, 2016 - 01:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 075 - theres no obfuscation going on, just the decline of a culture. It expanded from GB. Reached a peak. And then declined. And will continue to do so.
Scotland was mentioned because an indyref (with that close a result) would be unthinkable mere decades ago.
N.Ireland because of its current demographics which would have been unthinkable mere decades ago.
Jamaica pondering losing the royals would have been unthinkable mere decades ago.
And when charlie takes the seat youll see more things happening that would have been unthinkable (well for royalists anyway) mere decades ago.
And brexit may soon hand Spain influence over Gib. Something that would...you get the idea.
All are signs of retraction of the British imperial culture. They are naturally occurring because time is not on that cultures side. (or yours teehee).
Perhaps im missing the equivalents for expansion, or perhaps not.
It grew, reached maturity around 1914, and has declined since. And will continue to do so until the path finishes back where it began.
Plenty more unthinkable to come for those on the wrong side of history. So hold on to your crumpet Nigel.
News item:
Apr 18th, 2016 - 01:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Booming Britain to become world's fourth largest economy
Very well, the empire is booming.
Apr 18th, 2016 - 02:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0.... well, within the confines of the boardroom anyway.
Fourth !! Thats ambitious, .... article from the express or the mail ?
IMF ranked UK as the fifth largest economy in the world for 2015.
Apr 18th, 2016 - 04:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina is ranked about the same as the little island of Taiwan. Less than eight tenths of one percent of world GDP.
All GB needs is another half trillion to fulfill cebrs prophecy then. Best of luck with that.
Apr 18th, 2016 - 05:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Mail it seems.
Vestige
Apr 18th, 2016 - 05:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0For the FOURTH time !!!!!
Also unsurprising to see GB claiming yet more distant lands.”
Hey Clyde.
Apr 18th, 2016 - 05:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How can I help you.
#82
Apr 18th, 2016 - 08:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You stated in your post at #55
Also unsurprising to see GB claiming yet more distant lands.
This time without the colonist nonsense ... Letting the mask slip.
I have asked you to name them, which you have failed to do.
If you are referring to Antarctica, Argentina is claiming IT with it's colonial nonsense.
Its unsurprising to see GB claiming Antarctica, since that's par for its history.
Apr 18th, 2016 - 08:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Claim claim claim ... anywhere and everywhere.
If it had been the US I also wouldn't have been surprised.
But thankfully the US seems to have realised the ridiculousness in claiming a gigantic trache of the other side of the equator.
(Norway is surprising. France ... unusual but not unprecedented.)
That would be like Paraguay claiming a part of northern Greenland that's 100 times its own size.
So yeah, the mask slips in Antarctica as there is no real colonial pretense this time, nor any associated turkies against Christmas referendum,... yet still a hugely distant place apparently suddenly just comes under British authority because flag.
@84 Vestige
Apr 18th, 2016 - 10:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How did the southern cone of the South American continent come to be claimed by Spain?
Surely, it wasn't nearby.
How did the inhabitants come to release it to Spain?
How did 'Spanish land' come to be 'claimed' by someone else, much later?
I'm sure the answers won't be “surprising”.
Who decides how much distance is allowable, for a country to claim lands?
I'm thinking about the French Polynesia, amongst others, being 'claimed' by Spain.
How about the Phillipines?
Surely this isn't just up to you, is it??
How is the Falkland Islands being British some sort of negative for the UK as a whole?
Apr 18th, 2016 - 11:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You keep ignoring this question so I am guessing that you are unable to answer.
Ergo, your claim is false.
You keep trying to sidetrack the conversation into British culture and British history. The simple fact is that in 2016 the Falkland Islands are British. The only current future change to that would probably be independence. Same with Gibraltar. Your attempt to make the only other options for these nations to be taken over by their neighbours is disingenuous and without proof. Such a default is the past.... that is why you are on the wrong side of history no matter how many times you attempt to turn that conversation to something different.
As for your new meme about where countries can hold territory. Also doomed to fail. There is no norm that says state should be contiguous. The US is 9,514 miles between the extremes of its current claimed territory. Russia is over 6,000 miles. Where's the cutoff, what's the conditions for it?
Again you obfuscate when you can't prove anything. I wish you would learn a new trick but seems old dogs can't. Because believe me, time is on my side. I'll be around a lot longer than you to see which predictions come right.
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