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Spectacular Argentine return to money markets: bond issue subscribed several times

Tuesday, April 19th 2016 - 08:47 UTC
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Argentina marked a spectacular comeback to world money markets on Monday when its first bond issue in fifteen years attracted bids more than three times reaching US$ 67 billion. Argentina is after US$ 15bn which will help pay creditors on its ongoing litigation, since the country defaulted back in 2001. Read full article

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  • Skip

    LOL laughing so hard right now.

    All you naysayers!

    Apr 19th, 2016 - 09:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • chronic

    Now the clock starts.

    How many days til the next event?

    Apr 19th, 2016 - 10:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Condorito

    Like I said, this offer would be bid.

    @2
    Who knows, but certainly before the FIs become Argentine.

    Apr 19th, 2016 - 10:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • chronic

    What has rg's credit history cost them in premium for financing?

    10%?

    20%

    30%?

    40%?

    50%?

    100%?

    200%?

    300%?

    No, 333% higher interest cost than good credit pays.

    Rg pays 3 1/3 times more.

    The 10 year US Treasury yield last week was 1.757%.

    Rg pays 7.625% interest on its 10 year today.

    Rg's 10 year finance cost is 433% that of the US's as the rg economy shrinks another 1 to 3 percent versus 2% growth for the US.

    1. More donkey's braying please.

    Apr 19th, 2016 - 11:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    If you're not Argentine who the hell cares?

    Apr 19th, 2016 - 11:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • chronic

    Dear rg:

    Actions do have consequences.

    Apr 19th, 2016 - 11:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Voice

    We are in need of some Yankeeboy predictions....I Think.....;-)))))))

    Apr 19th, 2016 - 11:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Condorito

    @4
    Of course the interest rate is higher, o no one would buy the bonds.

    I am sure all the Kirchnerites will all be looking forward to the prospect of working harder for years to pay for this expensive re-financing.

    Apr 19th, 2016 - 11:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • chronic

    YankeeBoy tended to try to ride my coattails statistically/prognostically but quite a bit if what he said was spot on.

    Apr 19th, 2016 - 11:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Skip

    God, that set me off laughing again.

    Apr 19th, 2016 - 11:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • chronic

    10. Demonstrate some more of your business acumen please.

    Because you pay high double digits on your oz credit card you think rg wins?

    You're an idiot, of course.

    Apr 19th, 2016 - 11:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Voice

    9
    ...but which came first the chicken or the egg....

    My all time favourite was seizing the gas tankers in Argentine waters...
    Was that one yours too....;-))))))

    Apr 19th, 2016 - 12:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Condorito

    chronic
    Why would you want to associate yourself with yanquiboy's prognostications?

    At best they were as insightful as the malvinistas rolling prediction that the FIs will be Argentine within 25 years.

    yanqui's catastrophic predictions were always “just around the corner” .
    On the few occasions he was concise with a prediction, hilarity often ensued.

    My favourite was when he called me delusional for betting that the Libertad would be returned to Argentina. He declared:

    “My guess the ship will be on its way to UK as soon as Singer finds a crew.”

    Then proceeded to demonstrated a complete ignorance of how the real world works in justifying his “guess”, before putting this little cherry on the top or his forecast:

    “I will be one of the 1st people on board when it gets to NYC!”

    Maybe that is where he is. Sitting at the dock, looking out to sea, dwelling on all his failed predictions...waiting for the Libertad to sail in.

    A just ending for the yanqui sock.

    Apr 19th, 2016 - 01:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Voice

    “Maybe that is where he is. Sitting at the dock, looking out to sea, dwelling on all his failed predictions...waiting for the Libertad to sail in. ”

    That is kind of sad....

    Come back Yankeeboy...all is forgiven, don't leave us with only fond memories to reminisce upon....
    You did predict that Argentina would only be able to join the money market after they had coughed up every cent to Singer....
    That makes you 75% correct....

    Apr 19th, 2016 - 01:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    Just curious, was this one of YB's predictions?

    Argentina's First Bond Issuance In 15 Years Is Already Nearly Oversubscribed

    http://www.businessinsider.com/argentina-issues-new-bonds-again-2016-4?r=UK&IR=T

    Apr 19th, 2016 - 02:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    TWIMC

    As some in here may know..., I'm strongly opossed to the foreign indebtment of Argentina by undemocratic regimes or by our speculative financial elites, as it has happened so many times in the past...
    Today..., it could easily be the beginning of yet another such period of indebment for my Country...
    ... Luckily, things change, information is freely available and this time they are many Thinking, informed Argentineans closely monitoring the behaviour of our lying financial pack of wolwes and reacting accordingly...

    That brings me to the comment of that Yanki Turmip at (4) that says...:
    “The 10 year US Treasury yield last week was 1.757%.
    Rg pays 7.625% interest on its 10 year today.
    Rg's 10 year finance cost is 433% that of the US'”

    Well, the above is intrinsically true..., as it is the following...:
    “The 10 year US Treasury yield today is 1.775%.
    Germany pays 0.181% interest on its 10 year today.
    Yankee 10 year finance cost is 970% that of Germany”
    http://www.tradingeconomics.com/bonds

    Another intrinsic truth that can be infered from the above link is that...:
    Argentina pays... 7.625% interest on its 10 year today.
    Colombia pays.... 7.890% interest on its 10 year today.
    Perú pays............. 6.015% interest on its 10 year today.
    Mejico pays..........5.809% interest on its 10 year today.

    In short, Argentina is paying pretty much the same interest rates today as other regional Countries that have followed the Neo Liberal Economic recipe for decades...

    Thinkingly yours...
    El Think.

    Apr 19th, 2016 - 02:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • chronic

    Here's the really funny thing about Singer:

    Rgs think that its about the bonds.

    Singer whipsawed the merval multiple times.

    Each time that he drove the market to and fro his speculative positions caught the movement coming and going were capitalized on.

    Soros' interests held much of the opposing positions.

    Soros held on in 2014 and even pressed his bet.

    The 2015 bloody nose was bad enough that Soro's has vastly reduced his latam holdings at a time when others are out bargain hunting.

    The bonds were just a bloody piñata to blindly swing at and in doing so exert external economic pressure and internal political pressure on rg markets to produce movement when advantageous.

    After a while it became obvious that the hedge funds were going to actually do a little better than even their most positive internal direction had predicted.

    So the piñata actually held a few pesos.

    Imagine that.

    And the hedge funds speculated on latam markets.

    No?

    And the collaborator Soros reaped a little grief for his attempted inference in the play.

    Say it ain't so.

    Two wrongs don't make a right - but three do

    lol.

    Viva la Yanqui Capitalists - because after all someone does have to clean up all the rotting road kill littering the landscape of the third world, failed state latam.

    Apr 19th, 2016 - 02:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    You must have really lost a lot in Argentina, maybe as bad as YB losing if boy friends there.

    Think, living in Wyoming, why does it even matter what you think about Argentina, it no longer affects?

    Apr 19th, 2016 - 03:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • chronic

    Tink unwittingly stumbles on a great truth and that is this:

    The failures of rg and those of brzl and those of the rest of the failed communist states have wreaked hardship on the rest of their trading partners in latam and having done so have have impaired the abilities of all to raise capital at traditional sovereign rates - even third world ones.

    Chile was borrowing last fall at 1.58%.

    All is right.

    lol.

    Apr 19th, 2016 - 03:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    Who cares, it's not my tax dollars. My taxes are buying better things like building a 43 million gas station in Afghanistan that normally cost $500,000 in Kabul.

    Apr 19th, 2016 - 03:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • chronic

    Those aren't today's tax dollars poop. We're still borrowing from the Chinese.

    Update: Looks like Obammy is going to leave trump 20 trillion in the hole. That's right - obammy will have doubled the national debt, but it did take him two full terms.

    Apr 19th, 2016 - 03:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Condorito

    chronic
    I don't wish to dampen your hero worship of singer, but a monkey throwing darts could have won big on the merval over the period of the bond dispute. The merval is up 100% since 2010 (in USD value) that is one of the best performing indexes in the world.

    Apr 19th, 2016 - 03:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Yanki at (20)

    43 millionfor a gas station in Afghanistan that normally cost $500,000 in Kabul?
    That's freaking cheap!

    Some of us still remember the good 'ol times when the Yank taxpayers were charged $9,606 for an Allen wrench that was worth 12 cents..., or a $1,118 plastic stool cap worth 17 cents..., or a $2,043 nut worth 13 cents, or that $7,417 antenna motor pin worth 2.4 cents...., remember...?

    http://www.nytimes.com/1984/02/28/us/one-enlists-in-the-campaign-against-waste.html

    Apr 19th, 2016 - 04:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    Let me get this right. You're saying Chronic, that Trump is the next POTUS....your prediction?

    He could not have doubled the debt without the glorious help of the Retardicans.

    So, wee heard it here from CHronic who is predicting that Trump will be the next POTUS. Will you disappear like YB if your predictions are wrong?

    I seem to recall the GOP Messiah, Reagan had debt go from 1.377 in 9/83 to 2.857 trillion in 9/1989. And that was with 11 tax increases on the working and middles class. Perhaps there was so much debt from the 11 million illegal immigrants he gave amnesty to. I remember those days well. His SDI “Stars Wars” speech was a hummer. But hey, I voted for him twice.

    Apr 19th, 2016 - 04:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    @21 comic

    Sure, W Bush and his banking cronies ( remember W and his Junk Bonds?) allowed the banking bubble to burst in 2008, set things up to bail out his buddies and then disappeared.

    Obama was left to deal with W's catastrophe.

    Apr 19th, 2016 - 05:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    Let's not forget about the S&L bailout to the tune of 157 billion in a 30 bond, for those of us NorthAmoans who paid taxes on the disaster. Does anyone remember the B word name involved in that? Cost:

    The $157-billion bailout was financed by floating 30-year bonds, the interest on which will make the ultimate cost much higher. The actual total will depend on what interest rates end up being between 1990 and 2020, but estimates range from $500 billion to $1.4 trillion (in other words, 1,400 billion dollars).

    But, water under the bridge, what can you do? But, being we are talking history, does anyone know which American president in the past 50 years had the most staff serving prison time for outright corruption? Ahhh hell, ok, of any POTUS?

    Apr 19th, 2016 - 05:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Lucifer

    It is well documented that the housing and subsequent mortgage meltdown was caused by changes the Dems insisted Fannie and Freddie make to their home loan approval process.
    All caused by the Dems.
    Of course.

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/12/new-study-finds-democrats-fully-to-blame-for-subprime-mortgage-crisis-that-caused-financial-collapse/

    So many uninformed idiots on this board.

    Apr 19th, 2016 - 08:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • chronic

    Trump?

    Wishful thinking . . . . . .maybe.

    Obammy spending borrowed money?

    No problem with that.

    It's just the he didn't get anything for it.

    When was the last time the US had this small a work force participation?

    When was the last last time you had this level of a 7 year increase in real wages?

    Apr 19th, 2016 - 08:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    @27 Freddy

    “It is well documented that the housing and subsequent mortgage meltdown was caused by changes the Dems insisted ... ”

    Oh, yawn...

    Who is the “National Bureau of Economic Review”, another Republican quasi-legitimate Hate Body ??
    http://www.nber.org/

    Are you going to tell me that the all-powerful, super business-savvy Bush Republicans of 10 years in the Whitehouse, were powerless to make changes??

    The Real Estate bubble had the full complicity of the banks and private lending institutions, not to mention Realtors.
    They were happily pocketing packets of money pushing mortgages and sales on people who they had no business extending loans to.

    You'll notice the Canadians ( read, pinko-commie socialists) didn't do that.

    Everyone in the US was riding the Bush wave unnecessary war in Iraq and over-extended credit.

    Haliburton loved it,
    Banks loved it
    Enron loved it
    Goldman Sachs loved it
    GM loved it

    Realtors loved it...

    In the words of the Republicans, “... too big to fail”.

    I know lots of “little people” who weren't 'too big'
    and lost their homes and retirement savings whilst Bush's cronies walked away.

    You know it. I know it.

    Waiting for “Comic” to back you up...

    Apr 19th, 2016 - 11:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Lucifer

    G-D Canadians are stupid!

    Read the article, google additional articles and maybe you can learn something and not look so stupid all the time.

    Apr 20th, 2016 - 12:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    https://www.google.com/search?q=mister+heat+miser+lyrics&rlz=2Y3JHSK_enUS0684US0684samsung.jflteatt.jflteuc&prmd=vin&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjE79fCgpzMAhUFcz4KHU21DvMQ_AUICCgC&biw=360&bih=559&dpr=3#imgrc=bL7C9Wgx5DUjTM%3A

    Apr 20th, 2016 - 01:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Don Alberto

    @ 21 chronic + Spankingboy & other birdbrains

    “Looks like Obammy is going to leave trump 20 trillion in the hole. That's right - obammy will have doubled the national debt, but it did take him two full terms.”

    Sure, Obama started the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, and paid Halliburton a fortune for next to nothing bought without competition - according to GOP propaganda. Obama was probably also the mastermind behind the Vietnam war - according to GOP propaganda.

    George Wingnut and his cronies took over a healthy economy and created an economic chaos with a future debt of almost 8 trillion over the 6 trillion incurred directly from his brilliant “Mission accomplished” warfare. Obama inherited a filthy mess.

    Apr 20th, 2016 - 02:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • chronic

    lol

    Apr 20th, 2016 - 06:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Lucifer

    32. Do you think Obama is leaving the USA in a better state than he got it?
    If so why?

    Apr 20th, 2016 - 10:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    @34 Fred

    Do you think 7 years is enough time to recover from the biggest US and global financial catastrophe since the Depression, pay for a previous administration's seven years of war and occupation abroad on two fronts?

    W Bush and Cheney screwed the US for generations.

    Additionally, the US has been paying to keep forces in Iraq and Afganistan while the US tries to extricate itself from the mess. This is not to mention NATO commitments in Libya and now dealing with ISIS.

    Apr 20th, 2016 - 12:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Lucifer

    Yes 7 years is plenty of time.
    Reagan did it after Carter almost ruined the USA.

    You can't keep blaming 1 Prez for everything.
    If you could you should start with FDR.
    He's the one who put the USA on the wrong path.

    Try again with some facts

    Stupid Canuck.

    Apr 20th, 2016 - 12:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    There is much to be said of the Republican Messiah, Reagan. First off, for those of us who lived trough the 70's and not in diapers, unemployment in 1975 surpassed 9% long before the peanut farmer took office. Then dropping to under 6% in 1979. Only three times have they exceeded those numbers and that was in the early 2000's.

    Then we had the early 1980's recession with unemployment reaching almost 11% in 1982......two years in Ronnie's greatest acting gig. Some states hit 20% inflation under Reagan.....do you not remember that? I was wearing boots so I hardly cared one bit.

    Then in 1982.......even the inflation hit almost 22% under the the actors guild. I remember some friends getting mortgages with 17% rates and being thrilled. Amazing huh Freddy, image selling Quincy Court at those rates.

    Then of course Reagan pushed through 11 tax increases on the working class while cutting them on the rich and increasing the SS witholding rates. Then the magic Reagan performed granting amnesty to 11,000,000 illegal immigrants.

    Remember WebTech?

    Ed Meese?

    Savings and Loans..........ahhhhhhh, a stroll down memory lane.

    TEFRA 1982 100,000,000,000 tax hike........largest since WWII.....then SDI and tripling of the national debt in 8 short Reagan years.

    Yup, we need more conservatives like Reagan Mr. Heat Riser.

    And really, fat AND bald.......you could not have just picked one, both?

    Apr 20th, 2016 - 01:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    @36 Freddy

    I can't think of any other President who was involved in a Savings & Loan scandal, a “chads” voting fraud, oversaw the biggest banking and property investment catastrophe in US history, and committed the US to two ground wars in the Middle East - one was totally baseless ( just to please Dad) and both dragged on longer than they should.

    W. left the Whitehouse just as the damage to US Financial Institutions had started, directly leading to a disasterous chain of events from unsecured debt - housing collapse, job loses, public debt...

    Republicans then set about deliberately trying to make the US ungovernable, by hobbling or blocking any and all initiatives originating from the Democrats' administration.

    The GOP have a lot to answer for.

    Have you totally abandoned the concept of critical thinking?

    Apr 20th, 2016 - 03:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Lucifer

    Nope but clearly you have.

    It sounds like you don't understand how the USA works, the opposition is supposed to block stupid plans, our Prez in not a King dictating demands.

    Don't forget all of the terrible policies that came out is when House/Senate and Prez were all Dem. We're now just feeling the effects of Obamacare for one, total disaster all Dem. Wait until you see the mass fall out next year.

    Good Presidents negotiate and use the power of their office ot get the public on their side.
    He didn't
    and is clearly a failure
    He will go down as the worst Prez in 100 years
    maybe more

    Apr 20th, 2016 - 03:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    @39 Freddy the Washington DC Realtor

    It appears that you have lost the essential democratic founding principles of your Country.

    It's very sad and telling that I have to remind a Cruz Republican that government is meant to be,

    “...by the People, of the People, and for the People.”

    The GOP and their interest groups, are part of the “1%” of the People.

    Let Trump and Bernie be heard.

    It seems that the only 'corridors of power' you walk down in DC, are the ones from the restroom to the Show Suite.

    Apr 20th, 2016 - 06:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Lucifer

    Self-identified Republicans make up 26%
    Self-Identified Democrats make up 29%

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/188096/democratic-republican-identification-near-historical-lows.aspx

    Just about even.

    You can't even pretend to be smart can you?

    FYI I don't have a FB page so whomever you think I am I am not.
    I encourage you to contact him and see how it goes.

    Stupid Canuck.

    Apr 20th, 2016 - 06:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    @41 Freddy

    “Self-identified Republicans make up 26%
    Self-Identified Democrats make up 29%”

    Which really speaks to my point, the 1% are NOT the voters.

    The 1% are the highest income earners - the ones that hold sway over policies through lobby groups. They are the same GOP contributors that help the Rep. Party to put up $70m to turn support away from the overwhelmingly popular Trump, to the Party 'insider' Cruz.

    They are the ones that influence Congress to “stop” or “block” Obama, the elected President in every social or economic initiative or reform.

    That is government OF the People, but NOT government BY the People or FOR the People.

    As one of the 26% self-declared Republicans, you are just one of the dupes swallowing and repeating their rhetoric.

    My favourites:

    “Obama is evil”

    “Obama wants to destroy America”

    That isn't even logical.

    Think about it.

    R &M's Laugh-in

    Apr 20th, 2016 - 07:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Lucifer

    if you were able to think through what you read you'll find that $ isn't really playing a part in this year's Presidential run.
    Trump has spent a fraction of what “the others” and Hillary have spent and he's getting most of the attention and the unexpectedly large crowds.
    It also doesn't seem that the establishment has done or can do much to prevent the “will of the people” in getting him elected as the nominee.
    He's not too far away from securing the votes necessary.

    Sanders is kicking Hillary's a## with avg donations size of $27.

    Congress/Senate are meant to be a check against the Prez.
    Do you not know how anything works here?
    They're doing their job by blocking the dumb things Obama has tried.

    What you write never corresponds with reality.

    Can you critically think about what you read?
    Do you just read liberal rags?
    Something is really wrong with you.

    Apr 20th, 2016 - 09:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • chronic

    Silly Canucks.

    Living vicariously through America.

    lol

    Apr 20th, 2016 - 09:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Skip

    Silly Canucks?

    By the sounds of it thankful they aren't living under US presidents after all Luci wrote.

    Apr 20th, 2016 - 09:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    @43

    Oh dear... oh dear... oh dear... Freddie... :-(

    Trump was walking away with the nomination. Immensely popular with the “uneducated” and the frustrated.

    Jeb Bush was reluctantly led to the podium by his mother, like a lamb to the slaughter.

    When it was clear that he had no support from the mob, and they favoured Trump, he quit.

    Trump
    won every Primary handily, until it became clear to the GOP that he stood a very good chance of becoming nominated.
    .
    The next Primary, the GOP spent $70m ( 70/130m spent) directed at Trump, their own candidate. Trump lost that one to Cruz, a Party 'insider'.

    I think everybody on FB, including realtors, saw the viral video of Trump denouncing the Republicans and the Democrats “fixing” the Primaries to keep him and Bernie Sanders from being nominated.

    Bernie and The Donald are both popular and resonate with the young. They both bring up questions the 'mainstream candidates' won't mention.

    Trump is undermined by his party's attack ads. Bernie gets the popular vote, but the Democrat Superdelegates are all backing Hillarity.

    The Congress and Senate are supposed to act as checks and balances, not stonewall the government to paralyze it and make their own edicts. That's not representational government.
    Surely not what the founding fathers had in mind.

    The Republican Party has vocally and repeatedly said it will block or stop Obama any way it can.

    What are the “dumb things”, health care, corporate tax reform, progressive taxation, education funding?

    BTW,
    Cruz would dismantle the EPA, abolish the Board of Education, ban abortions, stop funding Planned Parenthood, and make the individual State governments automomous.

    How long until
    women and non-land holders lose the vote?

    Apr 20th, 2016 - 11:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    Don't forget FEMA. Even Cruz wanted to abolish FEMA. Ask Sandy victims. Then it changed last year with the Texas tornados and this year's Texas flooding.

    The Republicans mantra, cut spending ......until it affects my state. GOP are really just rainy day socialists.

    Apr 21st, 2016 - 01:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    Remember FEMA and New Orleans?

    “Way to go, Brownie!”

    Anyway...

    Hopefully the Argentines pay back the Hold outs.

    Apr 21st, 2016 - 02:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Lucifer

    Liberals love to pick and choose parts of a whole story and us those parts to make up their own.

    Stupid people do that a lot too

    That's why they are angry.

    Apr 21st, 2016 - 11:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    Poor Mister Heat Riser, one can just feel the hostility and frustration in his posts. The world is left or right in such a closed mind. I'm thinking he either lost money in Vegas or those Quincy Courts didn't sell.

    Troy, the GOP even wanted to abandon one of the most historical cities in the USA after Katrina because Dr. Evil tried convincing W to not rebuild it.

    Bushes failures need an index. Medicare D, the un-negotiated drug sales to Medicare.......what a fucking deal for the American public. remember Valerie Plame, CIA? Poor Libby, thrown under the bus for Dr. Evil. But the first and foremost is his failure to finish Afghanistan and leading the USA into Iraq under false pretense costing good young men who willing to die for bald, fat fucks way of life so needlessly, thinking otherwise. It's so far out now that these young people barely know of the great Iraqi lie.

    Apr 21st, 2016 - 11:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    @49 Fred/YB/ Luci

    You appear to be angry, yourself.

    You must be projecting.

    Apr 21st, 2016 - 12:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    Did you realize that one of Freddy's favorite places is the Peach Pit? Queer as a$3.50 bill. Now I hardly care about one's sexuality, but it's the way conservative republicans go about it.......attacking them openly and pretend to be hetero.
    I think he internalizes his anger for not being accepted in the GOP for who he is......a gay, bald, old gay man. Poor bastard......now I understand his anger.

    Apr 21st, 2016 - 01:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    @52 Capt

    I don't want to comment on his sexuality.

    As long as it's not illegal and he's not participating in destination sex tourism, etc.

    However, I agree that he shows signs of being a hypocrite when it comes to reconciling his political beliefs to his other statements on MP.

    He is happy to enjoy the privileges and stability of living in the most powerful nation on earth, yet he shows disdain and contempt for the US Servicemen and Veterans who do the fighting and dying on his behalf.

    A thoroughly contemptible individual.

    Apr 21st, 2016 - 02:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    All's fair in war in my circles. You will never get anything PC from me.

    However the essense of my post is the he himself has anger issues and most likely from the fact that his own party with whom he admittedly aligns himself with does not accept him and are quite the hypocrites. As I said, I can care less who one marries or has sex with, but be consistent in ones believes. He's a “good” catholic as well and they push him aside also.

    Apr 21st, 2016 - 02:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Lucifer

    Gay and Catholic?
    Bahahahahaha

    keep going..

    it's hilarious

    Apr 21st, 2016 - 04:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    http://s1275.photobucket.com/user/sailor1959/media/Fat%20Boy/FB_zps93sfofwa.jpg.html

    Apr 21st, 2016 - 05:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    @55 Fred/YB/Luci

    “Gay and Catholic?
    Bahahahahaha”

    Fred,
    Be gay, or Catholic, or both. Who cares?

    You are the only one here who has shown he doesn't know what he is talking about.

    You make ridiculous statements in a deliberately offensive and antagonistic manner - but when it comes right down to it, your facts are wrong and you can't back them up.
    Even the arguments you don't run away from, you lose.

    You're like the crazy guy on the park bench, ranting at invisible foes.

    Keep posting...

    you're just background noise, now.

    Apr 21st, 2016 - 06:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Lucifer

    One of us is crazy but its not me.
    At least I don't talk to background noise.

    Stupid Canuck

    You have so many logic fails you should be embarrassed.

    Apr 22nd, 2016 - 10:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    @58 Fred

    ... and yet, you are consistently incapable of successfully defending any of the inane statements you mindlessly repeat.

    Yawn.

    Apr 22nd, 2016 - 12:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Lucifer

    No, you've got that wrong as usual.
    You're incapable of understanding my posts.
    You have very low reading comprehension.

    Apr 22nd, 2016 - 04:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    When's “YB” coming to join us?

    “Chuckle chuckle”

    Apr 22nd, 2016 - 11:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Lucifer

    I see on another thread Stupid Canuck3 is using Poutine as one fo the 50 great “inventions” that have come from Canada.

    Priceless

    Prove my point
    again and again and again.

    Apr 23rd, 2016 - 12:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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