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Cristina Fernandez and son Maximo accused of illicit enrichment

Tuesday, May 3rd 2016 - 08:30 UTC
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Argentine court has asked a judge to look into accusations of illicit enrichment against former President Cristina Fernandez and her son Maximo Kirchner, state press agency Telam reported on Monday. Read full article

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  • The Voice

    Voice of Stink. They are moving in on your darlings. Argentina is being decorrupted from the top…

    May 03rd, 2016 - 08:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anbar

    I'm shocked.

    Shocked.

    I just cant believe it.

    May 03rd, 2016 - 09:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    The Ks are thugs.
    They must be out thugged for justice to be done.

    May 03rd, 2016 - 09:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Lucifer

    Wouldn't it be something if the hotels were what brought them down?
    They're a small drop in the ocean of the grand theft the Ks have perpetrated on the backs of the Argentine people.
    One thing will lead to another though
    Its very hard to hide U$20B once someone starts looking for it.

    May 03rd, 2016 - 11:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Mendoza Canadian

    Well, they certainly didn't get rich because they were “successful lawyers”. They have been at the public trough all their adult lives...doesn't take a mathematician to figure this one out.

    May 03rd, 2016 - 12:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marc1

    According to Leonardo Fariña that figure could well be US$120 billion over 12 years.

    May 03rd, 2016 - 12:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Lucifer

    6. That would be an incredible amount of cash to transport. I don't think it would even be possible without getting the attention of The US Treasury.

    I wonder why nobody is talking about the VP owning the Peso printing company.
    Nah, nothing to look at there.
    Nothing at all.

    May 03rd, 2016 - 12:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • EscoSes Doido

    Theiving buggers.

    May 03rd, 2016 - 12:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • chronic

    Now here is where the intellect of the basic rg is challenged:

    Can they parse between justice and retribution?

    Since rg knows that all acts of government are political I think the challenge is too great.

    Macaroni needs to stay above the fray - at least perception wise or there will very well be a similar fate awaiting him at the conclusion of his tenure.

    This isn't unique to rg - one only need examine the retirement homes of the last half dozen Illinois governors.

    Oh yes - tick tock.

    May 03rd, 2016 - 02:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marti Llazo

    @9 “ - one only need examine the retirement homes of the last half dozen Illinois governors.”

    -- Are there that many Argentines in Illinois?

    The new government in Argentina will have to float a new series of bonds to pay for the construction of the new prisons they will need.

    May 03rd, 2016 - 02:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • chronic

    Chicago is ran by southern Italians, Greeks and Irish.

    There is a rg/latam bodega on Southport.

    There used to be a rg contingent visible during the summer polo season.

    In addition to the obvious Miami, Houston has had a quite a few lingerers because of the o&g business.

    May 03rd, 2016 - 03:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    Notice how the Cristina Fernandez supporters are very quiet.

    May 03rd, 2016 - 07:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Mendoza Canadian

    12...maybe they are just now understanding what happened.

    May 03rd, 2016 - 07:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marti Llazo

    @12 “ .. how the Cristina Fernandez supporters are very quiet.”

    The KK on the forum may be quiet, but here in Argenzuela they are still noisy and present. And they are doing CFK's bidding in the congress right now since that congress is still very much a populist club that won't allow Macri to carry through with the needed reforms.

    May 03rd, 2016 - 09:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    @14

    What is currently happening with Maximo and La Campora and Campora?

    Have they been driven inderground?

    Are they still financed by the airline?

    May 03rd, 2016 - 10:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • sunpacy

    Lies lies and more lies. Keep accusing CFK and Maximo of corruption and no one ever find anything while at the same time the entire world knows Macri have off shore account, amnd most of his cabinet bought dollar FUTURE knowing how much will be cost and made to them selves millions. BUT They keep trying to find corruption in Cristina to keep people busy looking to other side

    May 04th, 2016 - 01:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marti Llazo

    @16 sunpacy .... paciencia, salame. Todo tiene su momento.

    May 04th, 2016 - 01:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • sunpacy

    17 Marti Llazo: si si como las cuentas suizas de Peron y el oro nazi de Evita. Los gorilas como no tienen nada que mostrar, siempre hablan de corrupción porque de política no saben ni entienden un pomo. El unico momento que hay que esperar sera cuando Macri se escape en helicoptero

    May 04th, 2016 - 03:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • chronic

    lol.

    Now there is a distinct possibility for a rapid increase in canooki population.

    This is a win/win.

    @ canooki IQ goes -

    @ American IQ goes +

    Sweet!

    May 04th, 2016 - 04:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Dany Berger

    Remember the days when articles use to get comments in the hundreds? It seems that a few Islanders can hardly manages 22 identities.

    Good luck MP.

    May 04th, 2016 - 11:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Lucifer

    19. If only to get rid of Lena Dunham its worth a vote for Trump. She is one of the most disgusting celebripigs around.

    I heard Alberta is burning.
    Maybe that's why Reekie has been so quiet.

    May 04th, 2016 - 11:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hіll

    @20 Dany
    I agree with the first sentence of your statement.It seems that hate of CFK fuelled much of the participation on this website. Although she is no longer the president, any article containing her name draws larger numbers of MP posters than most other topics. Evidence of the misogynistic attitudes typical of right wing reactionaries here.

    May 04th, 2016 - 11:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marti Llazo

    @18 sunpacy: Con los KK estabamos jodidos y con Macrismo estamos jodidos pero de otras maneras y el país está jodido, no cabe la más mínima duda. Los KK en cana es solo por diversión.

    May 04th, 2016 - 02:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jack Bauer

    @22 T.Hill
    So now you've become an expert on Argy politics , as well as Brazilian ? You're agreeing with shitburger says a lot more about you.....keep it coming....good for a laugh !

    May 04th, 2016 - 05:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Lucifer

    Lefties think when you criticize a women it means you hate women but only if its a lefty women.
    If its a conservative women its okay to criticize, pile on and call her every name in the book.
    Lefties are nothing more that uneducated hypocrites.

    May 04th, 2016 - 06:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • sunpacy

    23 Marti Llazo (#) con los K en que estabamos Jodidos Pregunto nomas?
    Con el Macrismo estaremos igual que con de La Rua ya que tienen exactamente el mismo equipo, no entiendo porque gente no cree que utilizando la misma formula se logran diferentes resultados. Los Argentinos creen que estan desconectrados del mundo y creen que los problemas que enfrento Cristina no estan relacionados con los problemas que todo el mundo tiene y creen que son problemas locales. El mundo esta en crisis Cristina mantuvo a los argentinos bastante bien para los conflictos que debio enfrentar. Macri va a renunciar por menos de lo que Cristina se tuvo que bancar. A Crristina hasta un cadaver de un fiscal le tiraron en el jardin

    May 04th, 2016 - 06:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Mendoza Canadian

    Sunny at 18 and 26...you are required to post your comments in English...

    May 04th, 2016 - 06:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marti Llazo

    Vah! Denuone Hispanus loquebar? Me ineptum. Interdum modo elabitur.

    May 04th, 2016 - 10:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (26) Sunpacy

    Preferiría que el coso este de Macri no renunciase sinó que sea mantenido bien cortito de riendas por la oposición parlamentar durante los tres años y medio que le quedan...

    Sería lindo, además, que los peronachos hicieran un poquitín de autocritica sobre su última gestión y de los motivos por los cuales perdieron contra un coso como este...

    Si además tuvieran el coraje de dialogar un poquito con los partidos de zurda, nos librarían bien librados del peligro de reelección del coso este....

    Saludos patagonicos
    El Think...

    May 04th, 2016 - 11:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marti Llazo

    @29 “ bien cortito de riendas” es decir, imposibilizar todo tipo de reforma necesario para sacudir el yugo de los regímenes nac y pop. O sea, no ha cambiado nada y no va a cambiar nada salvo el perro cuyo culo está sentado en la silla presidencial.

    más patagónico aún,
    -- El martillazo

    May 05th, 2016 - 05:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (30)...
    No..., “bien cortito de riendas” para imposibili(T)ar el cíclico y masivo endeudamiento externo especulativo de la Argentina que es el yugo utilizado por los regímenes conservadores los cuales..., como su nombre bien lo indica..., no quieren que cambie nada salvo el perro cuya cola está sentada en la silla presidencial...

    http://www.clarin.com/politica/Balcarce-Macri-presidencial-Facebook-Mauricio_CLAIMA20160117_0113_28.jpg

    May 05th, 2016 - 08:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Voice

    @31 Cut the jibber jabber and tell us why is KFC hugging Jabba the Hut - I thought he was exploded?

    May 05th, 2016 - 09:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Condorito

    @30 Marti

    “perro cuyo”

    Is this a previously unheard of dog breed that you discovered on your travels?

    @Think
    Where would you start los peronachos off on their autocrítica?

    May 05th, 2016 - 10:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Dany Berger

    Jibber jabber.....way too funny CR.

    May 05th, 2016 - 11:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (33) Hermanito Shileno....
    ... Primeramente weon, debo decirte que no hay nada erroneo sobre el “perro cuyo” del weon MartiLlazo....
    Parecería ser que hasta los weones ingleses que viven en la Argentina hablan mejor el castellano que mis hermanitos weones y autóctonos de allende la cordillera...;-)

    Secondly..., the Peronist autocritic could very well start at their implicit political tolerance and utilization of the structural & endemic corruption culture prevalent in many aspects of the Argentinean society after reaching power in 2003...

    A corrupt individual as Mr. Lazaro Baez, whose demise I predicted on this pages years ago, is an excellent example of the above...

    Our current president, Mr. Mauricio Macri is another excellent example of the same...
    His family made their fortune in EXACTLY the same way as Mr. Baez...

    Saludos Patagonicos...
    El Think

    May 05th, 2016 - 12:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Condorito

    @Think
    Primeramente weon, castellano es para lo weones del reino de Castilla.
    Secondly, déjame huevearlo a mi manera.
    Thirdly, a very good place to start, let hope they hear you.

    May 05th, 2016 - 01:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Tavién weon...
    Huevealo al weon como se te cante....

    May 05th, 2016 - 02:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marti Llazo

    @31 tenés razón: imposibilitar

    @33 condorcito, “ cuyo” is a relative adjective.

    Cuyo perro de mierda = your turd of a mutt

    cuyo culo = whose arse

    cuyo vecino pop y nac es la Argentina = whose turd of a neighbour is Argentistan

    @ 36 castellano.... mira lo que dice el gobierno de Chile (Ministerio de Relaciones Exteriores, Extranjería, et al) sobre el idioma....

    “En el caso de que la documentación venga en un lenguaje distinto al castellano, deberá estar legalizada por el Consulado de Chile en el país de.... bla bla bla ”

    “Los artículos deben incluir un resumen que describa sus aspectos principales en 100 palabras; en castellano y en lo posible en inglés.”

    et cetera

    No olvidéis que el MINREL fue uno de mis clientes.

    May 05th, 2016 - 02:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Ché, Condorito...
    Pué... que lo hueveaste bien al weon...
    Esta bién ahuewao, esta...

    May 05th, 2016 - 02:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Condorito

    un condoro no ma

    May 05th, 2016 - 02:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Voice

    Too much illegal jibber jabber. If it continues we will simply get your postings removed .

    May 05th, 2016 - 04:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marti Llazo

    @41 “If it continues we will ...”

    One does not simply walk into postings removal.

    May 05th, 2016 - 06:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Mendoza Canadian

    English as stated at the top of the comments...

    May 06th, 2016 - 01:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Ahijuna canejo... como los irrita a los ingleses guachos estos que usemos el castizo!

    Requetecontrachuckle

    May 06th, 2016 - 01:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Tarquin Fin

    It wouldn't hurt for people in this forum to go ahead and learn some Spanish. This site is about news about Mercosur and South Atlantic. Most countries around here do speak Spanish or Portuguese, so why not give it a try guys?

    May 06th, 2016 - 02:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marti Llazo

    @45 “ It wouldn't hurt for people in this forum to go ahead and learn some Spanish.”

    We could start today.

    Here is the phrase for the day. Lavado de dinero.

    Meaning: Money-laundering

    Use this in a sentence: “Argentistan, sos un país de lavado de dinero.”

    May 06th, 2016 - 03:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Tarquin Fin

    @46 Yes, that´s ok, but I would actually go for more obscure and vernacular phrases than that one. I`m aiming at something that really helps the English speaking people to at least get some context of what is being said whenever they stumble upon a post or piece of news written in that disgusting jibber jabber.

    May 06th, 2016 - 03:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Uuuuuia....
    Volvió el Tarquin Fin criollo...
    Donde haberá andado todo este tiempo...?
    Surfeando la ola de felicidad en Mau(r)i, Jauaií...?

    May 06th, 2016 - 05:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Mendoza Canadian

    The paper is in English. The rules set by the paper are in English. You know, there are times when I am watching the news from the centre of the universe (BsAs) and sometimes words come up in the ticker that I don't know. So I ask my Argentine room mate what the word means...he tells me many times that it is a slang word from BsAs...and that he does not know what it means. this happens quite often. When we go to Chile (a Spanish speaking nation) he can't understand them most of the time. So if you are all going to use slang in every different part of the country...well, so much for your “pure” Spanish. It sort of like in Quebec...where they basically speak 17th century French mixed with 20th century English. And they wonder why no one can understand them in Paris...

    May 06th, 2016 - 06:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marti Llazo

    @48 Tinkle: “Donde haberá andado todo este tiempo...?”

    Habrá, salame, habrá.

    May 06th, 2016 - 06:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (50)
    Salame nó, mi güen hombre...
    Puro gaucho y paisano nomás...
    Como el legendario Inodoro Pereyra...

    May 06th, 2016 - 06:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Tarquin Fin

    @50, Marti, “habera” is the way that's conjugated in gaucho.

    @48 I was busy trying to make ends meet ... como buen renegaú que soy.

    May 06th, 2016 - 07:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (52)
    “Busy trying to make ends meet”..., huhhhhhh?
    Si tu amigo Maurizio sigue así...., vamos a tener que instaurar el mes de quince días...

    May 06th, 2016 - 07:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Tarquin Fin

    ¡Que lo parió!

    We wouldn't have done better with any of the FPV boys ... enough already ... I'm fed up with politics.

    Que opinas de los canayas eh? Tricota en el gigante de arroyito!!

    @49 I rather try to learn Chilean, Peruvian or Mexican slang that listen to that “neutral Spanish” crop they try to feed us through CNN en español.

    Thanks for finally acknowledging that Baires is the center of the universe. I think we can start to be friends now.

    May 06th, 2016 - 07:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marti Llazo

    @52 ' “habera” is the way that's conjugated in gaucho. '

    Yes, I know, and for those who pretend to speak gaucho but who would faint at the sight of a cow.

    And for those who get no closer to cows than an MP3 player spouting Larralde.

    But [Tarquin] you were saying ... “go ahead and learn some Spanish” -- but not the country-wannabe crap of the gap-toothed. ¿cachai, po?

    May 06th, 2016 - 08:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (54)
    Uyyyyyyyy....
    Cansadito de la política, ehhhhh...?
    Mejor entonces hablar de fulbo ehhhh...?

    OK...

    Argentino, decime que se sienteeeeeeeeee...
    Haber votado a Maurizio de presidenteeeee...

    Un tipo honrado...
    Trece Off Shores en Panamá...
    Solo 20 palitos verdes declarados a la AFIP...
    Pero le “duele” sacarle el morfi a los laburantes y cortarle los remedios a los jubilados...

    May 06th, 2016 - 08:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marti Llazo

    So Tinkle what you have indicated confirms earlier observations that no matter who runs a government in your little pago chico, it's going to be corrupt.

    May 06th, 2016 - 09:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Tarquin Fin

    @52 Oh, absolutely not. However I believe that to really learn a language one must spice things up by learning different expressions from different places where that language is used. In English, for instance, the word stuffed means different things in Australia, England and the US.

    knowwhatimsayin'?

    @56 Oh man! I thought we were being friends today! I don't feel any regrets about voting for Macri. Not exactly a fan of the guy but certainly he's 10 time more capable than compañero lanchita.

    Let me indulge myself with a quote:

    “Y ahora se quejan de que tenemos un entregador como presidente? Esto es culpa de ustedes forros!! Por soberbios, por chorros y por ineptos!!”

    Wise words.

    Peace y'all!

    May 06th, 2016 - 09:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (58) Tarquin Fin
    Uyyyyyyyyyyyyyy.... siiiii...

    La culpa es de la pesada herencia que le dejaron al pobre Maurizio...
    Los 3.000 palos verdes que amasó su tata de EXACTAMENTE la misma manera que Lázaro Baez....
    O sea....
    Ser el contratista “amigo” de los gobiernos de turno...

    Despabilate, pebete!

    May 06th, 2016 - 10:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Skip

    And to think the Spanish version of this website can't get a single comment.

    May 06th, 2016 - 10:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Tarquin Fin

    Skip,
    Wow, I didn't know there was a Spanish version. Anyway, I post here just to practice my English I guess.

    Think,

    Let's calm down a bit. Nobody is clean, that's for sure.

    However, it is a shame, real shame, that the Kirchners didn't take advantage of such excellent circumstances from 2003 up to 2007 when we really had a chance to make this country to take off.
    They acted like crooks instead but they disguised it as “for the people ... blah .. blah ... blah”. Disgusting bastards.

    Macri might have been a crook, but as far as I know, he is not hiding himself under the nac&pop blanket.

    So, the obvious conclusion is that we are fuck.d from whatever angle you look at it.

    Personally, I totally condemn the Kirchner gang. Macri, well, I'll give him a chance. We'll see in 2017. I'm quite open minded.

    Is that clear enough?

    Now seriously, What about the Canayas? 3-0 in our own turf! Life is good. Have a nice weekend brother.

    May 06th, 2016 - 11:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marti Llazo

    @61 tarquin fin... you sound. ... almost.... reasonable !

    como un respiro de aire fresco

    May 07th, 2016 - 12:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Tarquin Fin

    Marti,
    Haha!
    What would it take for it to sound fully reasonable? I suppose I sound like someone that's taken too much crap and has almost had it with all the lying bastards.

    Is it me or you really like Larralde? On my behalf I can say that I've lived all over the interior so I guess I'm strong enough to not be scared away by a cow. Even up to these days, I sometimes meet people that truly talk gaucho (not in BA of course). My mother's family used to have a tambo near Rosario. My other grandma comes from a farm in southern Cordoba which we visited often. I would chase ducks while my dad hunted “vizcachas” and “perdices” (sorry, don't know what kind of animals those would be in English)

    You describe that kind well. They fill their mouths with gaucho stuff and how important our roots are but the only country they've seen is “La Rural” in Palermo.

    May 07th, 2016 - 12:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marti Llazo

    TF, perdices are partridges. You remember “y fueron felices comiendo perdices”? Vizcachas are vizcachas... no other word in English.

    Yes, I have a wide collection of Larralde, and of course his “Patagonia” is in the mix since for the time being I am still in pcia Sta Cruz. Several favourites from Larralde, a topic for discussion en vivo the next time you are in Río Gallegos.

    un saludo desde el helado sur, que estés bien

    May 07th, 2016 - 01:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Tarquin Fin

    “You live, you learn”. One more word for my vocabulary. Thanks for that.

    Saludos desde la humeda jungla de cemento. Buen finde.

    May 07th, 2016 - 01:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marti Llazo

    @65 “Buen finde”

    No hay descanso para los malvados....

    May 07th, 2016 - 03:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (61) Tarquin Fin

    You say...:
    “However, it is a shame, real shame, that the Kirchners didn't take advantage of such excellent circumstances from 2003 up to 2007 when we really had a chance to make this country to take off.
    They acted like crooks instead but they disguised it as “for the people ... blah .. blah ... blah”.

    I say...:

    Who is ”disguising“ things here...

    Maurizio and associates tell US ARGIES that they received a ”Destroyed Country“..., a ”Heavy Inheritance”..., as they call it...

    But... Let's see what they tell the REST OF THE WORLD in their official international presentation document of April 2016..., shall we?...:

    ARGENTINA: LAND OF OPPORTUNITIES
    . Ranked #1 in LATAM in Human Development Index, #1 in Education Index (98% literacy rate).
    . 2nd highest proportion of middle class population, lowest GINI coeficient in region.
    . 110,000 higher education graduates per year at a national level.
    . 2nd highest GDP per capita in the region in PPP terms (with U$ 22,500 after Chile).
    . Less than 6% general unemployment levels, ~75% of employment coming from services.
    . 30+ years of stable democratic governments...
    . Wide range of relationships and bilateral treaties; G20, Unasur, Mercosur...
    . Well developed road and railroad systems...
    . High conectivity levels, with 75% broadband and 141% mobile penetration...
    . Highly under-levered economy. OVERALL DEBT/GDP RATIO OF 13% (versus ~60% in Latam)
    Etc... etc... etc...etc... etc...etc...etc...etc...etc...etc...

    https://www.scribd.com/mobile/doc/309637569/Land-of-opportunities
    Or...
    https://www.scribd.com/mobile/doc/309637569/Land-of-opportunities

    Where ist that ”Heavy inheritance???
    Despabilate, pebete...

    May 07th, 2016 - 12:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Tarquin Fin

    @61 Think
    You have lived long enough -more than me as I understand- and I guess you should know better than taking a business proposal at face value.

    I'm pretty crafty when it comes to writing proposals. You know, the nice thing about proposals is that they allow you to cherry-pick those numbers that make you look good while leaving those not so nice numbers out.

    Judging by my experience so far, I have never gotten any business by writing a proposal alone. It is just the first step. A due diligence. An important one though. The real thing comes after the proposal. Inquiries start. Numbers must be explained and in so doing some dark spots might surface. And you'd better have a good reason for those buddy!

    That is why I believe my next couple of questions would be relevant in this matter:

    - If there is only 6% unemployment, Why are unions making such a fuss about the latest layoffs?
    - Education: Have you seen how high school kids write?
    - Middle class: Is that middle class just an homogeneous monolithic group or does there exist a segmentation? Just remember, you are considered middle class if you make more than 7500 pesos (500 dollars?).
    - 110,000 higher education graduates. Graduates of what? Science? Engineering?
    - 30+ years of stable democratic governments ... Really? What about the peronists coup of '89 and '01?
    - Lazaro's roads? Have you ever driven on routes 7, 8, 33, 34? Railroads? Forget about passengers. Cargo trains. Why is it under used? Would it be due to the state of the tracks or the lobby from Moyano?
    - Why do I see people sleeping in the streets? Swarms of kids asking for money or something to eat?

    I could go on and on with the list but I have a proposal of my own due next Tuesday.

    If this was such a land of wonders, we wouldn't even be discussing about it. We would probably be sharing a pizza at Burgio's. That's why that paper is titles “Land of opportunities”.

    There is a difference between “potential” and “realization”.

    May 07th, 2016 - 03:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Mira pebete...

    Hagamos una cosa...
    Vos relajate, date una vueltita por Cabildo y goza de la ola de felicidad que Maurizio está esparciendo a lo largo y ancho de nuestro país y dejá este viejo cascarrabias tome nota de las grandes cagadas que se estan y se seguirán mandando los Macris, los Prat Gays, los Sturzeneggers, los Arangurens, los Robledos, los Grindettis, los Angelicis, los Curats, los Quintanas, los Bullrichs, los Caputos, etc etc, etc para solo nombrar unos pocos que fueron tapa de los diarios en la última quincena por escandalotes, escándalos y escandaletes varios, debidamente documentados y probados..., no como los imaginarios zapatitos caros de Cristina..... o sus imaginarios departamentos de Nueva York... o sus imaginarias bóvedas llenas del oro Nazi de Evita bajo el campo de hielo continental sur... o los imaginarios 1.000.000.000.000.000.000 millones de dolares que tiene escondidos en su cuenta de Burkina Faso....

    DEAL?

    May 07th, 2016 - 04:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Tarquin Fin

    Think,

    Te olvidaste de Calcaterra, Roggio, Perez Companc, Bunge y Born, Menem, Dromi ... etc etc

    Pero ni en pedo me podes negar que los K se afanaron todo lo que pudieron poniendo como escudo la causa nacional y popular.

    No fue magia, fue choreo! Todos los que vos pusiste y tambien esta manga de hipocritas y delincuentes que nos gobernaron los ultimos 12 años. Ahora te toca a vos despabilarte. Y como decia mi abuela decia, no seas tan “panfilo” de creer que el discursito hace buena a la gente.

    Vos te pensaras que soy conceito, que tengo el culo roto por vivir en Belgrano. Que tiro manteca al techo y que me cago en lo que les pasa a los demas. Y despues hablas de que yo tengo algo contra la negrada ... No te imaginas donde me eduque ni la clase de compañeros que tuve. Ninguno ricachon te aseguro.

    Seguramente tambien pensas que soy victima de la propaganda de Macri.
    Te aclaro, si a algo me dedique en mi vida es a evitar caer presa de la propaganda, de cualquier tipo y/o color politico. Y me da bastante por el quinto forro del orto que alguien que tiene tu cultura y que ha conocido tantos lugares en el mundo siga defendiendo ciegamente a una manga de ladrones.

    Yo no estoy del lado de todos los que vos nombraste. Yo quiero que me dejen de cagar de arriba de un puente.

    Te dejo un link que seguro vas a disfrutar (y no pretendo gastarte como con lo de central)
    http://seprin.info/2016/05/06/lo-adelantamos-ayer-el-primo-de-macri-involucado-por-eso-frenaron-el-allanamiento-a-de-vido-lo-denuncio-baez/

    May 07th, 2016 - 08:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Ayyyyyyyyyyyy, pebete...

    Justo a moi me mandás un link al alcahuete ese de Alderete?..

    El coso ese se las da de ser un Joe Baxter pero no es más que es un ex SIDE de medio pelo, totalment paranoico... encerrado en un contrafrente del microcentro...

    Lo único rescatable de su pagina web...:
    http://seprin.info/2016/05/06/magali-mora-defendio-a-fede-bal/

    May 08th, 2016 - 11:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Tarquin Fin

    Lo leiste?

    Será alcahuete pero la noticia es creible porque ese rumor ya me lo hicieron llegar varias personas. Leelo. Por ahi en algunas cosas vamos a estar de acuerdo.

    May 08th, 2016 - 04:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Pebete....

    Me da la leve impresión que estamos de acuerdo en más de lo que te gusta reconocer...
    Si te interesa información de CALIDAD sobre el tema Macri/Baez... te recomiendo este articulo que salio hoy... de un compadre....:

    “La jauría judicial y mediática corrió a Báez esperando toparse con los Kirchner..., pero para su asombro dio con la familia Macrì.”
    http://www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/elpais/1-298830-2016-05-08.html

    May 08th, 2016 - 05:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Tarquin Fin

    Y justo me mandas a una nota escrita por Verbitsky, un zurdo trasnochado y merquero. Vamos bien!! O no?

    Coincidiras conmigo en que confiar en lo que dice Pagina/12 es exactamente lo mismo que basar tu vision de la realidad en lo que te dicen Clarin y TN. O sea ...

    Te reconozco, el objeto de la noticia es decir mas o menos lo mismo que denuncia el alcahuete de Alderete (hasta con versito me salió)

    Pero en el fondo es la misma mierda. El mismo hecho corrupto de mierda utilizado por uno u otro bando para avanzar politicamente.

    Yo no creo ser quien para enseñarte nada a esta altura. Pero no seamos boludos, esta todo podrido y quizas lo mejor que nos pueda pasar es volver a empezar de 0 como en 1810.

    Por lo menos así lo veo yo.

    May 08th, 2016 - 07:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Alegría..., pebete... Alegría,

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=T7tbNmSD7x4;

    ,-)

    May 08th, 2016 - 08:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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