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Falklands/Malvinas discussions with Argentina 'more complicated' because of 'British nationalism' resurgence
Wikileaks founder Julian Assange anticipated that the exit of the United Kingdom from the European Union will further complicate negotiations with Argentina regarding the Falklands/Malvinas sovereignty dispute because of a “resurgence” of what he described as British nationalism. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesDoesn't he mean “MORE difficult to hold discussions”?
Jun 25th, 2016 - 12:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hasn't been any discussion for 34 years
Assange, you are irrelevant.
Jun 25th, 2016 - 01:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think he should get out more.
Jun 25th, 2016 - 02:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A bit out of touch with the decades and century aren't you Assange? Maybe you are missing the girls to molest to boost your ego a bit again.
Jun 25th, 2016 - 02:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This alleged sex offender should show he has balls and leave his cowardly asylum in the Ecuadorian Embassy in London before he pokes his nose in affairs that have nothing to do with him!
Jun 25th, 2016 - 02:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0ALL PAPERS AROUND THE WORLD, experts, and even Assange are now saying what I have been saying here for FOUR years: The UK, England province specifically, is becoming the 4th Reich.
Jun 25th, 2016 - 03:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don't say I didn't call it.
A country that is secure about it's place in it's word, has a prosperous economy, and a strong culture, doesn't have the kind of anarchy you are seeing today in the UK, with 52% of the population clearly saying they have been totally left behind economically, xenophobia surging, both major political parties in total chaos and a power vacuum, and your currency being DENIED acceptance all over the world.
The UK is on a massive decline and overnight become much poorer already. 4th Reich here you go...
@6 Calm down, you are getting over-excited. If you look out of your window at your own country you will see chaos - here is just fine.
Jun 25th, 2016 - 03:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Mendoza chaos? What world are you living in? Get a grip, your answer is straight out of the “ouch you touched my soft spot” playbook.
Jun 25th, 2016 - 03:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0England Prevails might be looking for a short glorious war.
Jun 25th, 2016 - 03:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh look theres a country thats spent the last 34 years making threats.
Better yet its rich in natural resources and land and doesnt have a navy or an airforce and a pitiful army and we have all these cruise missiles and two new shiny aircraft carriers and stealth bomberswhat could possibly go wrong?
Nostril - Mendoza? Famous for vinegar! Chaotic place full of pickpockets, scruffy looking Cartoneros and stinking Villas. Avoid it.
Jun 25th, 2016 - 04:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In the UK we are all tuned into footie, rugby, cricket or Glastonbury. Bright sunshine, BBQs cooking excellent English steaks and tippling brilliant English fizz. Wimbledon next week, strawberries and cream.
He can't count the votes. The nation is split in opinion, so nationalist feeling is a diaspora; inconclusive. If it was as strongly nationalistic as he says, a leader would be in a decisive position and we would be divided.
Jun 25th, 2016 - 04:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Still, the man has to earn a living as Oracle.
@6
Jun 25th, 2016 - 05:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“. 4th Reich here you go...”
We are not becoming the 4th Reich-we helped to beat the 3rd Reich while Argentina took a siesta and prepared to welcome Mengele and Eichmann after WW2.
3 Rico
Jun 25th, 2016 - 06:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Haha, Excellent!
“Falklands/Malvinas discussions with Argentina 'more complicated' because of 'British nationalism' resurgence”
Jun 25th, 2016 - 08:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well..............they would be, if there was anything left to discuss.
Unfortunately ( for Argentina ) that discussion was ended ( for ALL time ) back in 1982.
Nothing to see here folks............. move along now..............
By order of Boris Johnson and Nigel Farage the United Kingdom of Great Briton and Northern Island is to be known from June 23rd 2016 as LITTLE ENGLAND!
Jun 25th, 2016 - 09:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Julian Assange
Jun 25th, 2016 - 10:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The man on the inside telling us on the outside what you think,
we don't care what you think, nothing that happens outside of your self imposed prison has anything to do with you.
Julian who?
Jun 26th, 2016 - 05:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina was heading into a period of unprecedented political, constitutional and economic crisis on Saturday night...
Jun 26th, 2016 - 07:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0The growing clamour from South American capitals for Argentina to act quickly to end the dollar peg, after Thursday’s dramatic decision for default, came as both the Peronists and Radical Party faced divisive, destabilising and possibly prolonged leadership battles that could fragment national politics.
Deputies said they expected Saa the leading default campaigner, to throw his hat into the ring early this week in the race to succeed De la Rua as leader – a move that would trigger months of internal party strife. Leading not default campaigners may stand as “stop Saa” candidates.
The Radical leader, has sacked his party head chairman after Clarin revealed he was preparing an attempt to lead a coup against him. De la Rua also faces a mutinous parliament. Many of his own deputies are furious at De la Rua inability to swing more votes behind the IMF package cause, and believe the party faces disaster under him.
Both party leaders are the subject of constant heckling in the streets by thousands of protesters.
When De la Rua announced on Friday morning that he would resign as president, he said it would be up to his successor to trigger the formal process of default and withdrawal from the dollar peg system.
Meanwhile the Argentine Peso has been the subject of increasing refusal in foreign exchange markets around the world as a result of market instability.
After an emergency cabinet meeting, the governments of Patagonian provinces formally agreed to press ahead with legislation to pave way for an independence referendum.
Cavallo has pledged to fight the next election on a platform of taking Argentina back to the peg. The Argentine people deserve the chance not to be stuck with the appalling consequences of a devaluation campaign lead by fear, lies”
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/25/uk-faces-brexit-crisis
hahahahahahahaha!!
@18
Jun 26th, 2016 - 08:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0Thats the problem with Argentina , they don't know their arse from their elbow and what goes on in Argentina got to do with what is going on in the UK? Nothing, sure it is going to be rocky but we are strong enough economically to get over it unlike Argentina.
@ 15 gordo1
Jun 26th, 2016 - 11:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0You could always go and live in Rome to be nearer to the Chief God Delusionist!
I hope you make the leap to be 'nearer your God@. Ha, ha, ha.
@6. I know you don't honestly believe what you're saying. How could you and still spout about the UK being “pirates”. Although I quite like pirates. Go where they want, when they want. No rules, no restraint. Why haven't we nuked argieland?
Jun 26th, 2016 - 12:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So all the papers and experts are wrong. Assange has NEVER been right. It's one reason he's been sitting in the Ecuadorian embassy for FOUR years. You should take a look at a street map of London. Check out the distance between that Ecuadorian flat and the Australian High Commission. Why didn't he go to the diplomatic representatives of his own country?
Incidentally, England isn't a province. As I understand it, there are only two “provinces” in the UK. Northern Ireland and Wales. Which one is becoming a Fourth Reich? My bet would be on Northern Ireland. Represented by individuals who won't take their seats in Parliament. But are quite willing to take UK salaries and expenses.
Does it matter if our currency is refused? Bet all those businesses will think differently when it comes time to settle bills. Don't worry, Brits. Just pack your bags and walk out of the hotel. When they wave their bills, wave your pounds. If the worst comes to the worst, you can get a flight home courtesy of the RAF.
@20 ChrisR
Jun 26th, 2016 - 02:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thank to your heroes, Johnson and Asage, the British Passport will not be accepted in other EU countries without a visa; in other words these buffoons have devalued everything that is British! And the fools who believed what they said are unmentionable!
@ 22 gordo1
Jun 26th, 2016 - 05:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am not surprised that you believe this nonsense.
Anyway, given the complete balls up over the bombers in Paris I expect ALL countries will need a visa shortly as it seems the 'new' passports are so easily copied.
BTW, who is 'Asage'?
@23 ChrisR
Jun 26th, 2016 - 08:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The statistics of the referendum have appeared in the press in the UK today Sunday. It seems that only voters of the age 65+ were majority voters for BREXIT - the majority of younger people voted for REMAIN . However, because of the large numbers of elderly people their vote cancelled out the majority vote of the younger people.
My wife and I voted to REMAIN so our conscience is quite clear but the “oldies” and their leaders like Boris Johnson and Nigel Farage should hang their heads in shame - their lies and personal ambition have formed a new country LITTLE ENGLAND.
But the people are reacting - a petition has been started to have Parliament, which has the facility, nullify the results of the referendum and already is has gathered over 3 million signatures, There is hope yet for a return to sanity,
“ ... the British Passport will not be accepted in other EU countries without a visa...”
Jun 27th, 2016 - 01:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0Actually, we don't know that yet, but it is one of the many scare-stories being promoted by the losing side. That, and the EU will no longer permit the sun to shine on Piddlehinton or West Didling.
Do you really believe that Spain is going to make it more difficult for UK citizens resident in Spain to bring and spend those hundreds of millions ?
Hasta los tarados espanyoles saben quienes les dan de comer.
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“ petition ...... already is has gathered over 3 million signatures...”
Most of them from the losing side and from non-UK sources, as it seems to be turning out. In fact the petition is being investigated as fraud. Lots of other do-overs now being requested. Bolivia wants to re-fight the war of the Pacific. Seems they are complaining that nobody told them of the possible consequences.
@19
Jun 27th, 2016 - 03:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina went 17 years (since 1999) without issuing debt. That is far more demanding than whatever the UK is facing now. You would not last a week if you suddendly could not tap international debt.
My questions stands... if the UK was such a paradise of economic growth, job creation, wealth multiplier, immigration welcoming nation as the ANGLOS here in this forum professed for the last four years to me... What explains all this anger, bitterness, and fear in that gloomy island?
A prosperous nation sure of itself is the anti-UK of the last 48 hours.
Maybe it's all a lie. Easier than saying it's all a stage prop.
@ 26 CapiTrollism_is_back!!
Jun 27th, 2016 - 05:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0Very few of the people who contribute here are actually inhabitants of this far from “gloomy island”!
@27 gordo1
Jun 27th, 2016 - 11:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0BTW, who is 'Asage'?
Can you answer this or not?
BTW, we voted leave and I don't give a fuck about the 'young' people who were only concerned they wouldn't be able to travel Europe without a visa. They need to broaden their horizons and travel the world.
The FACT of the matter is that LEAVE won by a convincing 3.8%. Get over it.
It seems many of the 'votes' were false, just like the statements by Camoron and Ossie.
Keep praying to the Sky Fairy, at least whilst you are doing that you can't 'comment' here.
Let us be reminded that Argentina's poverty rate is right at about 30 percent of the population. And even Pratfall-Gay has finally acknowledged that the current annual inflation rate is well over 40 percent. These of course are the signs of a nation well run and in a splendid position to provide valuable counsel to others.
Jun 27th, 2016 - 01:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It escapes no one that Argentina's governments have lied about its economic health, as they have lied about most other matters concerning the country.
I would not take the comments of an Argentine supporter as having much validity or worth.
@28 ChrisR
Jun 27th, 2016 - 01:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Asage” was typo - should have been Farage!
What a charming example you are to our young people! “I don't give a fuck about the 'young' people ” indeed - don't you have any grand children?
You really a stupid arsehole!
#6 I_Trolltally_Invent_Everything_I_Post
Jun 27th, 2016 - 05:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“The UK, England province specifically, is becoming the 4th Reich.”
Yes, it is a bit chaotic at the moment, but calm down, wipe the spittle from your lips and lets us examine the facts:
- The leave campaign lied about the EU costing the UK 350m per week, they were warned about this but continued to make the claim and 50+% of the population believed this false claim;
- The Leave campaign made claims about immigration that ignored the fact that the UK is not a member of the Shenghen zone and has border checks with the rest of the EU;
- The Leave campaign made claims about economic control that ignored the fact that the UK is not a member of the Eurozone;
- The referendum results are advisory and not legally binding;
- The UK has not started the formal exit process yet and will not until after Cameron resigns;
- A number of postal votes from abroad were not counted;
- A large number of Brexit voters admitted they didn't want to leave but it was just a protest vote, including Boris Johnson himself (idiots);
- The margin and turnout would be insufficient according to pre-election Farage;
- The referendum may have to be re-run under EU rules;
- Scotland may be able to veto Brexit;
- The Leave campaign ignored the potential effects on Ireland and Scotland;
- 48+% of the British population are very angry at the result and the way the Leave campaign was run (The Remain campaign wasn't much better).
So, given all of the above, if you think it is cut and dried that Brexit will now occur then you are deluded.
“...your currency being DENIED acceptance all over the world.”
As mentioned previously, this is not true for the normal channels where GBP would be accepted.
Unfortunately, this has stirred up a racist undercurrent, but I am hopeful that the lies of Leave will not prevail and it will be the end of the political careers of those involved. We shall see...
A rarity in these parts: a logical ANGLO.
Jun 28th, 2016 - 03:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0@31
Is there proof Boris Johnson voted “remain”... if so is that not a massive breach of trust? How could anyone like that become leader of a country then? Scary if true.
Second, if Farage really did say a close vote to remain would call for another referendum, or 20 (until one goes his way I presume), then why is this not being made into a much bigger deal? I barely hear about it, but I think it is monumentally dishonest to say the rules of majority +1 don't apply if you lose but apply if you win.
Again, this all seems very un-British. I may dislike Anglos, but I will give you this much: usually you are even-headed and not prone to fits of passion as Latins are accused of being. But right now your country looks like an Italy minus the wine, good food, and sunshine.
@32
Jun 28th, 2016 - 09:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well on the upside there are no Ucumars like yourself, and there are no starving chorros shooting people for their shoes to eat the leather. ;)
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-G9hkO97Ehfk/ToEFTZ4EJzI/AAAAAAAAAA8/SeCSl36J6RE/s1600/Ucumar.jpg
“For the moment UK is immersed in a strong nationalist feeling. If this spirit in the post-referendum does not erode, it will be difficult to hold discussions”
Jun 28th, 2016 - 07:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Since the legal considerations are unalterable, and the UK doesn't accept that Argentina has any legal claim apply. Therefore, discussion does not apply, since Argentina spurned the opportunity on four occasions and resorted to unilateral actions. Moreover, since “there is no obligation in general international law to settle disputes”. Principles of Public International Law, third edition, 1979 by Professor Ian Brownlie. As Argentina has behaved so contrary to the norms of international law, why would the UK even entertain such a notion?
#32 I_Trolltally_Invent_Everything_I_Post
Jun 28th, 2016 - 07:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Is there proof Boris Johnson voted “remain”... if so is that not a massive breach of trust?”
No, but that isn't what I said.
“How could anyone like that become leader of a country then? Scary if true.”
Absolutely.
”Second, if Farage really did say a close vote to remain would call for another referendum, or 20 (until one goes his way I presume), then why is this not being made into a much bigger deal? I barely hear about it, “
Well, checking facts isn't your strong point. Try these:
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/nigel-farage-eu-referendum_uk_576e6585e4b08d2c56393f12
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/nigel-farage-eu-referendum_uk_576e6585e4b08d2c56393f12
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/nigel-farage-eu-referendum_uk_576e6585e4b08d2c56393f12
”In a 52-48 referendum this would be unfinished business by a long way. If the remain campaign win two-thirds to one-third that ends it”
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/nigel-farage-eu-referendum_uk_576e6585e4b08d2c56393f12
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/nigel-farage-eu-referendum_uk_576e6585e4b08d2c56393f12
But you are correct, it should be a bigger deal.
“For the moment UK is immersed in a strong nationalist feeling. If this spirit in the post-referendum does not erode, it will be difficult to hold discussions”
Jul 01st, 2016 - 02:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Argentinian position on the Falklands is taken from a false claim of civilian expulsion by the British - the Malvinas Lie. It would be extremely difficult to deny that teaching this lie for decades and pushing it wherever possible is indeed born of nationalism.
This national deception also resulted in a falsified claim to British territories being enshrined in the Argentine Constitution, forcing an unreasonable insistence that any negotiations end with Argentina receiving sovereignty. It cannot be denied that this measure also makes it difficult to hold fair, good-faith discussions.
If the Argentinian government wants to gain immediate support for their claim, they'd propose ICJ arbitration. If Britain refuses, it would give credibility to their claim.
Of course, a fair hearing would find in favour of Britain, which is why Argentina will refuse it, along with any other fair, reasonable settlement.
@28 ChrisR
Jul 03rd, 2016 - 04:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/03/britons-who-voted-to-remain-should-be-offered-german-citizenship/
This for you as you haven't even had the courtesy to comment on my No.30!
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