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'Suspend Falkland/Malvinas sovereignty claim until 2033', when hopefully Argentina becomes attractive
Argentina's former foreign minister Dante Caputo has proposed suspending the sovereignty claim over the Falkland/Malvinas Islands until 2033, when the 200th anniversary of the “British occupation” because according to his own words, “the multilateral path no longer yields a result”. And he emphasized, “they will come when the country becomes attractive for the Argentines”. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesDanti, might as well suspend this silly claim until the year 2182 so that Argentina can then celebrate the 200th anniversary of its humiliating defeat at the hands of a handful of British troops.
Jul 15th, 2016 - 05:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0Although it is unlikely that Argentina will be solvent, much less “attractive,” by that date, having been long since sold off to its creditors to cover debts.
In 17 years Kirchner, Maradonna and Think will be dead.
Jul 15th, 2016 - 05:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0Every cloud.....
Argentinians just don't get it, do they!
Jul 15th, 2016 - 07:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0Have to blame their education system. Seems critical thinking is almost impossible for idiots such as this former government worker.
“I would propose to the United Kingdom a truce until 2033, when the 200 years of the British occupation of the Islands.“
Jul 15th, 2016 - 12:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0By all means, let's do so.
We could suspend until 033.M41 and Argentina still wouldn't be able to prove their claims.
”From now on and until 2033, nobody talks about sovereignty, which will protect us from the period being used as a background to consider we should abandon the claim”
Of course, the underlying argument that your claim is based on false pretenses is enough to require you to abandon it.
“Caputo also mentioned that the British people's decision to leave the European Union, Brexit, “will have no effect on the Argentine Falkland/Malvinas sovereignty claim”.”
Of course it won't. The Argentine claim was false before Brexit, and won't suddenly be factual following.
It's a noble idea in theory - put the dispute to one side to focus on more productive manners. The problem is, that means there will inevitably be a return to the false claims of “usurpation” and “squatting” - the Malvinas Lie.
If Argentina was serious about making productive inroads during any hiatus in talks, they'd at least stop promoting the Lie wherever they go, especially in schools.
A truce implies Argentina was or is at war. A war of words behind peoples' back.
Jul 15th, 2016 - 01:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just another cunning Viveza criolla strategy in my opinion.
Another try at Argy lies.
Glad the truth gets in the way!
Falklands freedom wins over Argy colonial ambition every time.
I fail to see the point in all this. The Falklands and their inhabitants are British. Argentina should look inward at their education system and review that. It's important that their children are not told at school that the Islands belong to Argentina.
Jul 15th, 2016 - 01:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The best approach is to let the squatters die out or have a moment of clarity and move on. There's nothing there but a stagnant, aging, isolated, treasury dependent population. (With Internet access to teasing pictures of the real world).
Jul 15th, 2016 - 01:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The coffee cup approach (or non approach) is all Argentina need do. Take 1 world map, 1 hot cup of coffee, place coffee cup over isles, wait for metaphorical coffee to cool, in meantime concentrate on living a life beyond the 1980's in Argentina.
Make no deals, offer no co-operation, concession or enquiry, cut that flight, block any associated ships from entry, have a look in 20 years. Voila, they've dried up and/or returned to what will by then be the kingdom of England and wales.
As Argentines become increasingly poorer, the Islanders, on the other hand, have considerably increased their wealth. How very curious.
Jul 15th, 2016 - 02:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina will have to be sold off in a few years to pay for its debts. Perhaps the Islanders will bid on some of the bones.
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@6 “.....Argentina should look inward at their education system...”
Another spectacular failure. Fewer than half of the argie adolescents even graduate from their secondary system. And it shows.
Ha. Marti needs to look at the non-education of the kelpanites.
Jul 15th, 2016 - 02:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 034% of the isles workforce have zero, yes zero, recognized educational attainment.
Official census stats. Page 35.
And the proportion of elderly is “rising rapidly”. P 10.
Any wealth there comes from fishing licences, backed up by vessels which originated from UK. The (uk paid) cost of which no doubt more than equals the income.
The charity isles.
#7
Jul 15th, 2016 - 03:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I see you are in desperation mode now. Has Argentina reached the 21st century yet?
“block any associated ships from entry” A declaration of war against the UK ?
Goodbye Argentina. How do you intend to do that...pray tell.
Another load of swill from a desperate Troll.
If Scotland did take independence, we would still be quite happy to join any expedition to knock the crap out of you. We have long memories and none of them favourable to Malvanistas such as you.
Now cue the arch troll H. with more inane remarks.
@7. “ cut that flight, block any associated ships from entry”. With what? Got any aircraft that can get off a runway with wings intact? Got any ships that can get more than 20 miles out of harbour? How does it work when WE missile a combat aircraft during its take-off? Or sink a vessel as it reaches the harbour mouth?
Jul 15th, 2016 - 03:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“From now on and until 2033, nobody talks about sovereignty”, says Caputo - BUT it is only Argentina who talks about sovereignty!
Jul 15th, 2016 - 03:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Vestige is developing an old age complex.
Jul 15th, 2016 - 03:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The thought of struggling on for another 17 years has depressed him and made him Think.
10. By closing Argentine ports to any vessel reporting a stop there genius. As usual you get too excited when reading.
Jul 15th, 2016 - 03:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I see you've set conq off too. Thats two tin pots missing from cupboards.
Now go back and read it again. Oh and if you still want to try invading Argentina afterwards then please say so, I've a friend from your neighbor/vanquisher the republic of Ireland here and we'd enjoy a laugh.
Vestige has a friend with him.
Jul 15th, 2016 - 06:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Who'd have thought it.
They sound a bit depressed. Hope they manage to get down the pub and cheer themselves up.
#14
Jul 15th, 2016 - 07:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As to your proposals, I thought you had already applied them for the past few years. Burning tyres, attacking tourists and tourist offices. Not done you much good, has it.
Apart from the flight which could be circumvented as detailed in previous forums. Of course the whole world would back and support you......or would they. No sign so far.
At least we have a cupboard.
What is wrong with making money from selling fishing licenses. Does Argentina give them away free ?
I looked up the Falklands Fishery statistics publication VOL 17...the most recent.
The allocation of licences was as follows
Taiwan 67
Spain 63
Korea 34
Falklands 57
U.K. 4
That gives the UK 1.7% of the licences. Hardly a financial bonanza from the UK.
It surprises me that you have a friend..especially Irish. I always have thought that they were a sensible people.
“I would propose to the United Kingdom a truce until 2033
Jul 15th, 2016 - 07:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The united kingdom and the Falkland islands
should tell Argentina to soddy offy for good.
Vestige- you do love distorting facts into fiction - but then you are Argentine- so all is explained!
Jul 15th, 2016 - 10:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Perhaps a few years ago 34% of the hourly poaid workers here had no formal educational qualification - eg college diplomas/degres etc - well we are a small place - kids have to go overseas to get those. In recent years many now do- all paid for by our Govt -not UK. Several young folks Chilean born in UK colleges now- their families live here and have residency so to us they are treated as Islanders as well. A Spanish lad- father had a fishing company here- did the same- he is now qualified in a midrange civil service post in Falklands Govt and should rise a lot further in time.
Do tell me what % of the Arg hourly paid labour force have formal College or University qualifications then?
Oh - and plenty of us here now middleaged with out formal qualifications as overseas education was not available in those days - now run succsessful businesses here - and I am talking about business with turnovers of £1 million and up.
Yes- because of good health care we are now living longer so greater % of us are 65-70 plus - and still working hard full time. Suggest you look at the other end as well - why do you think our schools are bursting at the seams and new classrooms going up each year?
Cut the Lan flight if you like- but we know Argentina has not got the balls to do it!
Vestige has tried this meme before and failed - February 23rd:
Jul 15th, 2016 - 11:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://en.mercopress.com/2016/02/20/a-change-in-policy-towards-malvinas-according-to-la-nacion#comment431456
Vestige's new attempt at a meme is that the Falkland Islands will eventually depopulate.
But even if no one lives there..... they'll still be British.
With no population the UN will be forced to delist them as being a NSGT.
In no way does this mean the islands will become Argentine. There are plenty of examples of uninhabited islands around the globe that are not near the country that owns them.
The very existence of Bouvet Island, the South Georgia & South Sandwich Islands, Macquarie Island, Île de Clipperton and Heard Island & McDonald Islands disproves your theory.
There is no logic in the UK abandoning these islands anymore than France, Norway, Australia and the UK abandoning the uninhabited islands listed above.
Has a Vestige prediction ever come true?
England will return the Malvinas within 25 years.
Jul 16th, 2016 - 01:13 am - Link - Report abuse 016 - ah, those vessels Im referring to aren't the civilian ones. Confucius say 'Try serring fishing lights without being abre to back it up with force'.
Jul 16th, 2016 - 02:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0As for this famous tyre that was burnt, which is brought up over and over (ironically by someone from a country that thrashed Marseilles twice), I think you need to find something more substantial. And recent.
Theres no worldwide support or backing for cutting the lan flight because funnily enough the world doesn't really care about an isolated and irrelevant flight from the ass end of nowhere to the armpit of Chile.
Im sure the cupboard makes a wonderful tourist attraction to the isles. That and the public toilet.
18 - no distorted facts. Sourced from your own good govt census. p35. Your anecdotes are fascinating.
19 - lol skip keeping a database on lil ol me. Yes I see depopulation as a fair-good possibility in time.
No I wouldn't very much care if GB kept them as a nature reserve, though I find such a post exodus scenario improbable as they would be worth more as a political bargaining chip in such a case.
Yes a vestige prediction has come true, Vestige correctly predicted the Scottish indyref result. Im sure you have the printout filed somewhere in your command center - aka the vestibule.
Anyway, lunacy aside, Caputo should just forget about the silly isles, stop this stuff about 2033, giving weight to nothing.
Really, if they were under Arg administration they'd just be a minor sub-administration and way down the list of issues. The starting point for an aspiring junior minister of fisheries. Ignore and boycott indefinitely.
Territories are only ever won or changed with war and violence. The Falklands are no different, if Argentina wants them they will have to fight us for them.
Jul 16th, 2016 - 06:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0The truce is welcome and by 2033, the islands will be so well fortified that no country on the planet could take them.
Looks like Vestige and significant other had another awful Friday night.
Jul 16th, 2016 - 12:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Vestige! we know you are a miserable old git but get yourself out tonight, let your hair down (if you have any) and have some fun.
@14 Vestige
Jul 16th, 2016 - 01:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0When exactly did the Republic of Ireland vanquish the UK?
I must have been off school the day it was mentioned.
Clues in the name darragh.
Jul 16th, 2016 - 01:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Did you miss the day when it was under the crown too ?
Englander - what time is it where I am as I type this ? That's right. Another genius.
#25
Jul 16th, 2016 - 05:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There is still a chunk of Ireland in the UK....if you care to look.
That's called the silver medal Clyde.
Jul 16th, 2016 - 08:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 03 - 1 .
Vestige if your new found 'Irish' friend knows anything about Irish history, which you obviously don't, then he/she/it should be able to help point out a few salient facts like The Republic of Ireland didn't come into being until 1949 or that from 1922 until 1937, the Irish Free State as it was then known was a Dominion the same as Canada, Australia etc. and Ireland remained part of the British Commonwealth up until 1947.
Jul 16th, 2016 - 10:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0All you are able to do when confronted by some reality is to resort to name calling - which of course is what we've all come to expect from you.
Darragh, to hide in the technicalities of language in this context is to appear desperate.
Jul 16th, 2016 - 11:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0To say the irish republic didn't defeat the British is a close equivalent to saying you didn't exist for the first days of your life because you weren't yet named on a register.
The fact remains that a tiny neighboring population with next to nothing in military resources gave the British the boot.
How much more so this would be in an attempted invasion of a distant south american formally established nation with a standing military. There'd be no Dunkirk miracle for that expeditionary force. So let us never hear such drivel in here again. (Sneaking suspicion I still might)
If you'd prefer you may use the ethnic term 'Irish' in post #14. Play with the semantics, have a ball.
And excuse my grotesque name calling, wherever it is in this page.
You are rather fond of hyperbole.
Jul 17th, 2016 - 09:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0I would suggest that you look up the dictionary definition of vanquished in relation to your assertion. Hardly the relation between the two countries.
Vanquished the UK ? The Republic became independent but still financially subservient to the UK.
Millions have left “the old country” to settle on mainland UK and still do.
They are welcome and help the economy and add to the cultural mix.
Not what one would expect from a country that had “vanquished” the UK.
The Brexit vote seriously worried the Irish govt.
Quotes from the Irish Times 24 June 2016
So the nightmare has actually happened. With the decision of the UK to leave the European Union, Ireland now faces a series of consequences - and hard choices - in the short, medium and long term.
Ever since David Cameron announced that he would hold a referendum back in 2012, Irish officials and latterly ministers have regarded the prospect of a British exit from the EU as the worst thing that could happen to the country.
It goes on in this vein.
Hardly what one would expect from a nation that had “vanquished” the UK !
@29 vestige
Jul 17th, 2016 - 10:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0QED - unable to face reality you resort to snidey comments and distortions.
I still want you to tell me when the Irish Republic 'vanquished' the UK.
As I said the Irish Republic did not exist until 1949 - you call that semantics, I call it the truth.
We fought for our independence yes and but it was via treaties we obtained it - not by military force. We then went on to prove how delighted we were by independence by having a civil war in which more Irishmen were killed (some in the most brutal of fashion) by other Irishmen than were killed by the British.
You accuse me of hiding behind the 'technicalities of language', I accuse you of making comments about things about which you know next to nothing and apparently your new 'Irish' friend has similar lack of knowledge.
@30 Clyde
Your post is 100% accurate - I would be hard pushed to find anyone here who does not have relatives living and working in the UK including several members of my own family, or who have at some time or other gone 'over the water', myself included
My next door neighbour was a nurse in the UK for nigh-on forty years before retiring back to her family home. Just up the road lives a man who spent most of his working life as a Prison Guard in the UK etc.etc.
Like all the politicos in the EU our so-called Government laughed it's collective socks of at the thought of the UK leaving the EC - To paraphrase the un-lamented ex-leader of UKIP - 'they're not laughing now are they”.
When push comes to shove we will be at the front of the queue to sign a trade agreement with the UK (whether the laughingly called Council of Europe likes it or not) unless of course Australia beats us to it.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-36818055
Kind regards to all (including Vestige who is after all entitled to his opinions) on this foul, wet Sunday morning.
I don't think Vesty has an Irish friend.
Jul 17th, 2016 - 12:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't think the old chap has any friends.
30 - oh hey Clyde, checked the dictionary, synonyms include 'best' 'overcome' and 'get the better of'. Merriam Webster has the definition “to defeat in a conflict or contest”. So wheres the hyperbole ?
Jul 17th, 2016 - 03:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As you say yourself (in a most modest sense) the republic “”became independent“”. A bit like saying a boxer“”took the title“”.
Or as darragh might say 'a boxer didn't take the title, a man did'.
Darragh if you wish to propose that the republic didn't win over crown forces and that the victorious force wasn't the republic since the paperwork wasn't filed til afterwards, that's fine. As I said you can just use the ethnic term 'Irish' instead. End result is the same. The boot.
However, if you choose that option I'll remind you that under such technical gymnastics it would be equally accurate that the UK ... (that is the united kingdom of great Britain and northern Ireland)... didn't exist until 1922.
Thanks 32. Your continuous insults further clarify what's going on in this forum.
#33
Jul 17th, 2016 - 05:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A bit disingenuous . From past posts by you it is obvious that you meant something much stronger than that. Unlike you, I am fully conversant with English usage and have no need of a dictionary to understand what strength of meaning you implied.
For your edification:-
verbliterary
past tense: vanquished; past participle: vanquished
defeat thoroughly.
“he successfully vanquished his rival”
synonyms: conquer, defeat (utterly), beat (hollow), trounce, annihilate, triumph over, win a resounding victory over, be victorious over, best, get the better of, worst, bring someone to their knees, overcome, overwhelm, subdue, subjugate, put down, quell, quash, crush, repress, rout;
I would say that the UK was not vanquished as the Republic FAILED in it's primary objective to have an independent united Ireland.
So, it is obvious in this case that you are guilty of hyperbole
@ 7 Vestige
Jul 17th, 2016 - 07:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“The coffee cup approach” - I like it ! If only Argentina had thought of this approach in 1982.
The Islanders only ever wanted to be left in peace to get on with their lives and there is nothing that they want or need from Argentina that they cannot get elsewhere. Who knows where this new enlightened approach may eventually lead ?
The problem is some of your countrymen just won't be able to resist checking under the cup !
#34
Jul 17th, 2016 - 11:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yeah, “be victorious over”, works for me.
83% mission accomplished, doesn't sound much like a fail. (Geographic measurement).
I'd call that an A- on the academic scale.
(allowing +2% for territorial waters, i think thats fair)
8 - 2 in soccer terms. Thats a thorough defeat. Why deny this.
#36
Jul 18th, 2016 - 01:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Who cares if it works for you. As you are presumably communicating with others on the forum the idea is to convince them with your cogent reasoning
By misuse of the English language you have failed.
Vanquished means TOTAL, not 83% NOR 99%.
Be victorious over implies total success not partial.
However, I see you have difficulty with the nuances of the English language.
Vanquished can be correctly used in relation to Argentina v. UK in the Falklands. 100% success..Argentina gained nothing apart from a small cemetery - rent free.
As to the Irish Republic, they are still in some respects a vassal state to the UK., So much for vanquishing.
You know Clyde it’s amazing all those interminable history lessons at school.
Jul 18th, 2016 - 01:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0All about the Easter Rising (250 dead), the Irish War of Independence (over 2000 dead) the Anglo-Irish Treaty (which we had to copy out by hand), the Irish Civil War (between 1500 and 2000 dead), the Irish Free State as an independent Dominion within the British Empire with the British King as Head of State, the use of a Union Flag with an harp imposed on the centre of it as our national flag, the Second World War, called for some reason ‘The Emergency’ here (150,000 Irish volunteers in the British Army – estimated 12,000 dead and 650,000 Irish men and women working in munitions factories in the UK), the formation of the Republic of Ireland in 1949, the Troubles in the seventies (3,500 dead) etc. etc.
It appears that all those history lessons were a waste of time as Vestige who has never been within 3,000 miles of the RoI and has probably never met a bona fide Irish person (North or South) in his life says the UK was ‘vanquished’ (though quite why you would remain part of the empire of a country you had ‘vanquished’ escapes me) and do you know in all those history lessons , primary, secondary etc. I cannot ever remember hearing the phrase ‘the RoI vanquished the UK’ – how strange is that?
This evening I think I shall go to the Ventry Burial Ground and lay some flowers on Mr Moriarty’s (my history teacher in sec) grave with a card attached saying ‘You got it all wrong some Argentine told me so’ – turn in his grave? – I imagine he might.
#38
Jul 18th, 2016 - 04:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He seems to think that there is an undeclared war simmering between the UK and Eire. Apart from nutters laying bombs for the“Republic”, the average Irishman does not pine all day for reunification of the island. I think it will probably come one day when they can boot sectarianism into touch and the population of the island decide for themselves.
As you will know, the only anniversary in July that matters is the 12th....not the 14th Bastille day or the 4th American Independence. We suffer from that in the west of Scotland.
I think that Irish immigrants who came to the USA in the 1850's passed on memories to the following generations of the inherent evil of the Brits.
Many of their current descendants still have this as a race memory and still think that the UK harbours evil intents and are responsible for all the ills of the world.
Hollywood didn't help. You had Darby O'Gill and we had Brigadoon as stereotypes.
We still have our fair share of chauvinists who remember Bannockburn and Culloden and think that has relevance today. For a historian maybe.
I taught my children to assess the person, not their nationality and it seems to have worked. Daughter has an English husband and son has an English wife.
I am even prepared to believe that there are some nice Argentinian people just as there are some not-so-nice British people.
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/vanquish
Jul 18th, 2016 - 08:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“to defeat in any contest or conflict; be victorious over:
to vanquish one's opponent in an argument.”
The small Ill equipped and largely untrained Irish Republican Army defeated the twice as large colonial British imperial forces in a conflict; they were victorious over the monarchists.
I vanquished Clyde and Darragh in this argument by showing how vanquish is a well suited word according to the dictionary. Cogent reasoning.
The British invasion forces of the river plate were vanquished by the Spanish forces, resulting in a total surrender by the British. Nothing was gained but a small cemetery, rent free.
#40
Jul 18th, 2016 - 10:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Here is another word which describes your posts .....ballocks.
You have desperately wriggled to ascribe a different meaning to vanquish from what you originally intended in your first post.
I would trust Darragh's version of events to a bigoted poseur such as you who lives in a fantasy world of his own making.
Of course we know that you are just a wind-up merchant.
Did your IRA defeat the Ulster Protestants....wait a minute ....NO so they could not have vanquished the Monarchists.
Maybe you have not noticed but the Monarchy still holds sway in a part of Ireland.
Summary from Wiki
Irish War of Independence
Result
Irish Republic Propaganda and tactical victory
United Kingdom Political victory
Military Stalemate
Ceasefire
Anglo-Irish Treaty
Creation of the Irish Free State
Clyde you have to take into account that Vestige is an Argentine with British heritage who hates the British because they handed the Argentines their arses on a plate in 1982.
Jul 19th, 2016 - 10:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0Not only that but he is so arrogant that he can't admit that his use of the word 'vanquish' was at the least inappropriate and is mightily offended that he was called out on it as after all his word is law.
What you say about Irish migrants to the US is very true - I hear it practically every day from what we call 'plastic paddies' i.e.Americans who claim they are Irish because they have an Irish surname ignoring the fact their ancestors probably lived in Britain for five generations before one up and went to the US although you don't get the same crap from Australians who believe they have Irish heritage many of whose forefathers could well have been transported to the dreaded 'Van Dieman's Land'. You are probably quite right when you say that it is the Hollywood influence - my wife and I often chuckle when we watch American films and TV programs because if one of the characters has a British accent we immediately say 'it's her/him must be the guilty party he/she has a British accent' and we're seldom wrong.
You are also right when you say that there are some 'not-so-nice' British
people just as there are 'not-so-nice' people from every country and also 'very nice' people from the self-same country just as I don't doubt there are very nice Argentines.
Kind regards to all (including Vestige) from a beautiful sunny day in Co. Kerry.
There's no wriggling. The republic, or the IRA (your choice), thoroughly defeated ... aka vanquished, the British military.
Jul 19th, 2016 - 11:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0They went from 0 percent to 80+ percent territorial control. They were 'thoroughly victorious'.
They took 8 slices of the cake with a little union jack on it. And Britain couldn't stop them. Despite trying.
Anyway, the point of all this was that there's a list as short as my .... pen, of places Britain could invade today. And Argentina sure isn't on it. Or Spain for that matter.
Just a reminder for every time I hear the likes of 'send a ship' yes, you send a ship, send two. Any mainland country in the americas that's bigger than Guyana or maybe Panama will send the contents back in an small box.
@42 Darragh
Jul 19th, 2016 - 02:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0vestige
ˈvɛstɪdʒ/Submit
noun
1.
a trace or remnant of something that is disappearing or no longer exists.
“the last vestiges of colonialism”
synonyms: remnant, remainder, fragment, relic, echo, indication, sign, trace, mark, print, imprint, impression, legacy, reminder, memento, souvenir, token, trophy; More
2.
BIOLOGY
a part or organ of an organism which has become reduced or functionless in the course of evolution.
Need I say more............
If the British were thoroughly defeated then why the following:-
Jul 19th, 2016 - 03:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“The war of independence in Ireland ended with a truce on 11 July 1921. The conflict had reached a stalemate. Talks that had looked promising the previous year had petered out in December when David Lloyd George insisted that the IRA first surrender their arms. Fresh talks, after the Prime Minister had come under pressure from Herbert Henry Asquith and the Liberal opposition, the Labour Party and the Trades Union Congress, resumed in the spring and resulted in the Truce. From the point of view of the British government, it appeared as if the IRA's guerrilla campaign would continue indefinitely, with spiralling costs in British casualties and in money. More importantly, the British government was facing severe criticism at home and abroad for the actions of British forces in Ireland. On 6 June 1921, the British made their first conciliatory gesture, calling off the policy of house burnings as reprisals. On the other side, IRA leaders and in particular Michael Collins, felt that the IRA as it was then organised could not continue indefinitely. It had been hard pressed by the deployment of more regular British soldiers to Ireland and by the lack of arms and ammunition”
The operative words are 'stalemate', 'would continue indefinitely', 'could not continue' and 'hard pressed' - none of which sounds like your alternate history version of events.
As far as I am concerned that is it, there is nothing more to talk about.
kind regards to all.
#45
Jul 19th, 2016 - 05:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You may as well talk to the wall. It needs a depleted uranium shell to penetrate his thick skull. He is no doubt a fan of the book “heroes of Argentina” which in it's printed form is the size of a bus ticket.
Like you I have no interest continuing with this joke of a topic. No doubt we will have more anti-British comments and fatuous statements.
Sour grapes.
Jul 19th, 2016 - 05:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There was a conflict: Y/N.
There was a victor: Y/N.
A belligerent was ejected from 80%+ of disputed territory: Y/N.
Lack of ammunition, torn shoelaces, wars elsewhere, wifes panties, your teacher was nice, whatever. The end result is you now get to enjoy your sunny day in a republic. End of.
Full time whistle. 8 - 2.
Resounding victory to the IRA.
Suck it up loser.
@ 47 Vestige according to your own argument, Darragh would be a WINNER
Jul 19th, 2016 - 07:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I would argue a truce and negotiated settlement ended a pointless & futile conflict. I would also argue that GB also won as during the Second World War Eire officially remained neutral, however, as Darragh has already mentioned 150,000 Irishmen VOLUNTEERED for the British Army – estimated 12,000 dead and 650,000 Irish men and women working in munitions factories in the UK.
Further
In 1982 there was a conflict: Y/N
There was a victor Y/N
A belligerent was ejected from 100% of the disputed territory Y/N
And a fair number of those victors were also Irish !
@46 Clyde & @ 48
Jul 19th, 2016 - 10:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No point in further discussion - Vestige has been made to look an idiot but is to much of a coward to admit it. I can only assume he is trying (unsuccessfully) to be a shit-stirrer between RoI and the UK.
Having been consumately proven to be wrong he resorts, as usual to insults. I don't mean me as I'm irrelavent but to those men & women who fought and died for the UK and the RoI - you can only assume that he thinks he's clever - he isn't as all can see from the above.
We will never abandon our claim until you return us our islands and our sea, with your colonists packing back to your motherland. Times change constantly, so do cultures, technology, economy. We are not at the end of history. When the opportunity to recover our sovereign territory arises we will do so.
Jul 20th, 2016 - 01:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0You have no claim to islands half planet away, and no moral high ground either after all the crimes your people commited during your imperial era. Pay reparations to all the nations you damaged, the people you killed and enslaved, and return all the islands and lands stolen around the globe, then we can talk about peace. Until then, there is no peace with criminals.
Lukie, don't forget that not only are there no Falklands in your future, there are no Lennox, Picton, and Nueva islands for you either, and besides that you will also get your pink criminal arses removed from British Antarctica in good time. Consider yourselves fortunate that someone sells you the beans you need to grow to sell to the Chinese, and that Chile is selling you enough gas to keep you from freezing in the dark.
Jul 20th, 2016 - 03:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0Loony Luke comes in on Vestige's shirt-tails.
Jul 20th, 2016 - 09:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0Lukie-dukie, claim all that you like, these are NOT your lslands & it is NOT your sea.
What about all the native lndians that you Argentines killed?
lts time that you RG Squatters returned to Spain & ltaly.
We don't want to talk with you anyway.
About time that you vacated Argentina & turned it over to someone who will make something of it……you RGs seem incapable.
Moron.
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Jul 20th, 2016 - 10:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0Basically, who in Britain gives a toss about the failed state of Argentina.
You don't even appear on our radar....apart from the fire control systems on OUR BOT ..the Falklands.
Go and DIG a big hole for yourself and fester.
Darragh there resorting to the terms “idiot” and “coward” and “shit-stirrer” before claiming that I need to resort to insults.
Jul 20th, 2016 - 11:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0Then unilaterally deciding I'm incorrect in my use if English, which I'm not, while missing the entire point and helping to preserve the deluded mercopress forums culture of 'send a ship'.
Where is this individuals passion when conqueror is blustering about apaches flying out of the rock of Gibraltar to destroy Madrid, or when Clyde is suggesting homogeneous inferior races, or Briton is planning strategic alliances with Chile.
Say one bad thing about blighty and he'll follow you around with a thesaurus, ever searching for a grammatical loophole. Call all Argies thieves and liars repeatedly over years, rant about plots to destroy the EU and so forth and no thesaurus to be found.
@ 54 “I'm incorrect in my use if English, which I'm not, ” I think you mean.............“I'm incorrect in my use OF English, which I'm not,”
Jul 20th, 2016 - 04:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ahem
Lol. Desperate times, desperate measures.
Jul 20th, 2016 - 04:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 56 Not at my end !
Jul 20th, 2016 - 06:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Insult all you like, you cannot erase your outright evil past, nor your actually evil present with all the wars you wage around the globe, all the innocents your country murders daily.
Jul 20th, 2016 - 11:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Let me state this clear, the only thing that hurts me, is that most argentinians are stupid enough to believe that there is any peaceful solution with you, or that you are reasonable peaceful people. Neither are true. Only way to get rid of brits is to shoot them or threathen them with nukes.
@58
Jul 21st, 2016 - 12:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0Strange then how many countries became independent without doing either of those things.
Besides doesn't Argentina go to the UN every year and promise to look after the 'Interests' of the Islanders? Deportation or forcible transfer of population is actually a crime against humanity in international law.
@58 Lukie ”....all the wars you wage around the globe...
Jul 21st, 2016 - 12:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0Lukie, you should thank your lucky stars that the Falklanders have not taken over Argentina just yet. Your hapless, whimpering minions, their pockets stuffed with unpaid gas bills, will be cowering at the mere thought of the merciless onslaught of their angry sheep-dogs.
LukeDig sounds an awful lot like Nostrils.
Jul 21st, 2016 - 11:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0Same self pity,
same sense of victimhood.
same lies,
really couldn't be bothered to respond to him/her/it anymore.
Where's Hepatia with her 25 year mantra?
Must have gone on holiday,
Too much stress at the Argentine Ministry of Disinformation.
#58
Jul 21st, 2016 - 12:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Only way to get rid of brits is to shoot them or threathen them with nukes.
Well, that's you well and truly stuffed then , oh insignificant one. You couldn't punch your way out of a paper bag.
@ 58 Lukey. “Only way to get rid of brits is to shoot them”
Jul 21st, 2016 - 02:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You tried that in 1982 - It turns out that your not very good at it either !
Maybe if you focussed your attention on making the most out of the considerable chunk of real estate you already have, rather than jealously keep looking at what Britain & Chile have & keep whining about it you would do better ?
Incidentally, in a recent international pole of countries that do the most good in the world, GB was voted fourth...........Argentina came 61st ??? For posterity Sweden came first.
Lukie, Argenzuela isn't going anywhere.
Jul 21st, 2016 - 05:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The recession that Cristina arranged is only getting worse. The AR economy is expected to further shrink by about 1.5 percent this year.
Lower prices for Argentine corn now. Seems that Argentina can't deliver and so buyers are shying away. 120 ships at Rosario waiting for corn that isn't going to get there while the transport strike is on. The same transport strike that is cutting into delivery of fuel and groceries. Shortages? Already observed.
And the soy that pays the bills for Argentina? A bit of a disaster this year. Poorer quality now. And lower output. Milling of soy is more than 11 percent below last year at this time. Let's make it worse by continuing that transport strike.
Taking bets on Argentina's looming next default.
Argies fo home!
Jul 21st, 2016 - 10:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You has been colonialists
News today from the Argentine:
Jul 23rd, 2016 - 03:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0All those 10,000 dead-wood government “employees” that were let go in the first months of the new government? The preliminary report is out:
- More than half “performed no productive work whatsoever.”
- Many were not performing assigned work but instead were acting as political agents and Kirchnerism promoters
- Major categories included those classic ñoquis who received salaries but never showed up for work (some 2060 in this category)
- In the Posadas hospital, for example, the report indicates that there were 644 people with no qualifications in health and who had no work assigned.
- The savings for the year 2016 for getting rid of over 10,000 nonproductive government employees is calculated at 2.8 billion pesos, a sum expected to be worth about US$12.87 by the end of the year.
Forista reekie will now pipe up about the need to pad government payrolls with nonproductive workers.
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