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Half of Brazilians prefer Temer to remain as president until the 2018 election
Half of Brazilians would like to see interim President Michel Temer stay in the job until the next election in 2018, compared with 32% who desire the return of suspended President Dilma Rousseff, according to a Datafolha poll published this weekend on the Folha de S.Paulo website. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rules“Half of Brazilians would like to see interim President Michel Temer stay in the job until the next election in 2018, compared with 32% who desire the return of suspended President Dilma Rousseff, according to a Datafolha poll published this weekend on the Folha de S.Paulo website.”
Jul 20th, 2016 - 06:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hippy,
the above is directed at you....you were looking for poll results about your darling Dilma and her 9-fingered mentor...
The thing that amused me was the so called support for The Chief Crook of Brazil old Lula!
Jul 20th, 2016 - 06:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Will he even be in the country then, assuming his cancer does not return?
A week is a longtime in politics it is said, 2018 is an Eon (for the Brazil Nuts that's a REALLY long time, measured as a fraction of an Era).
The support for Lula, as indicated , is for the first round of the elections.....the poll goes on to show that in the 2nd round, Lula would lose to all the other three probable candidates....that is if, first , he doesn't die before (best solution) and second, if he's not in prison (looking more likely every day...).
Jul 21st, 2016 - 11:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As for Dilma's unlikely return, even the PT don't want her back in power - their rationale : she will totally screw the PT's chances - with or without the 9-fingered turd - in the Oct 2018 presidential election.
This poll has already been shown to be fraudulent: https://theintercept.com/2016/07/19/brazils-largest-newspaper-commits-major-journalistic-fr
Jul 22nd, 2016 - 12:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hippy,
Jul 22nd, 2016 - 03:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Right, it is notorious that socialists always claim that poll results, when unfavourable to them, are fraudulent....no exception here ; Mr Greenwald is a left-leaning journalist, as can be seen by the angle from which he usually analyzes Brazilian politics. He is not exactly impartial. On the other hand, the raw information on the population's political preferences, collected and analyzed by the Folha, are not open to public scrutiny , so how did Mr. Greenwald get access to such info ? Also, what proof has Greenwald presented that the poll results were manipulated and are distorted, to favour one or the other side, other than his allegations ??
5 Jack Bauer
Jul 22nd, 2016 - 10:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Mr Greenwald may well have a bias, but you have nothing to contradict his established facts. So the only thing you have to rebut his article is your opinion, and opinions don't outweigh facts. But you've never been one to let the facts contradict one of your stories. Here's a further development.
“Folha’s Journalistic Fraud Far Worse Than We Reported Yesterday: A Smoking Gun Emerges
62 percent of Brazilians want Dilma and Temer to quit and new elections held: not 3 percent as Folha stated…http://g1.globo.com/politica/processo-de-impeachment-de-dilma/noticia/2016/04/pesquisa-ibope-mostra-que-62-preferem-novas-eleicoes-presidenciais.html …— Folha, Brazil’s largest and most influential newspaper, not only distorted, but actively concealed, crucial polling data that completely negated what they “reported”: …Reuters’s chief correspondent for Brazil, noted an extraordinary discrepancy:”
http://g1.globo.com/politica/processo-de-impeachment-de-dilma/noticia/2016/04/pesquisa-ibope-mostra-que-62-preferem-novas-eleicoes-presidenciais.html
Non of the'main stream media' in Brazil have much credibility. The problem is that Mercopenguin, a British government run site, reproduces the content. And who does the British government aim this propaganda at? The British people!
Jul 23rd, 2016 - 01:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0#7
Jul 23rd, 2016 - 04:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 01. The British people at large do not give a monkeys about Brazilian politics and would be hard pressed to name ANY of their political leaders.
2. The percentage of British people who have ever heard of “Mercopenguin” is zilch and even less for reading it.
3. The UK will NOT be handing over the Falklands to Argentina in 25 years or any time thereafter.
I think that covers your main prognosis.
@6 T.Hill,
Jul 23rd, 2016 - 09:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You never learn do you ? ....“So the only thing you have to rebut his article is your opinion, and opinions don't outweigh facts. ”
Mr. Greenwald's opinion is not fact ; because he is a journalist, I suppose is sufficient reason for you to lower your pants and get on all fours for him....believe what you want, but don't just read his opinion. Why do you even bother to quote what Hippy already has ? do you think that it will be more believable if quoted a thousand times ?
You and Hippy deserve each other . Pls don't bother replying. Spare me the bother of reading your crap.
@7 Hippy
“Non of the'main stream media' in Brazil have much credibility”....
Well, well, well....since you are always so well informed (only joking...), then pls do tell me who, or what, does ?
9 Jack Bauer
Jul 23rd, 2016 - 11:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Mr. Greenwald's opinion might perk my interest, but the clincher's his link to a copy of the original poll. Which confirms what he opines is proven, otherwise he would acting as you do. Opining without being able to substantiate his/your claim.
http://i1.wp.com/www.humorpolitico.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/lula-preso.jpeg?w=489
Jul 24th, 2016 - 12:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@10 THill
Jul 24th, 2016 - 06:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Please send the link to the copy of the original poll.
12 Jack Bauer
Jul 24th, 2016 - 08:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Glad you asked, see the glove really doesn't fit
http://media.folha.uol.com.br/datafolha/2016/07/18/av_presidente_michel_temer_v2.pdf
9 Jack Bauer
“Why do you even bother to quote what Hippy already has ?” Why do you even bother to reply when its obvious that you haven't realized what I have referred to, and cited is a later article. The clue was “Here's a further development.” post #6, my link also is a different URL, you ignorant putz. But, thanks for the insight into your peculiar thought processes
“…I suppose is sufficient reason for you to lower your pants and get on all fours for him…”
@13 THill
Jul 24th, 2016 - 10:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don't interpret the the fact that I asked, and that I might be prepared to concede I was wrong - this time - as a sign of weakness ....I'll read it tomorrow and let you know.....OK Tinker Bell ??
14 Jack Bauer
Jul 25th, 2016 - 12:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0“I might be prepared to concede I was wrong - this time - as a sign of weakness”. I wouldn't attribute any special significance to such a case. Other than, the usual consistency of being invariably wrong. You appear to use this forum just to pirouette and display your prejudices. In fact, such a concession is usually considered a personal attribute, rather than detrimental.
@15 Tinker Bell
Jul 25th, 2016 - 04:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Folha’s poll (taken 14-15 July, interviewd 2,792 people in 171 municipalities) indicates that 14% aprove Temer’s govt while 31% don’t ; 58% want Dilma out, for good ; 35% don’t even know the President’s name – in a country where ignorance is notorious, no surprise ; 45 % of those who support the PT, don’t like Temer ….well, isn't THAT a surprise ?? 50 % believe Temer should carry-on until 2018, while 32 % want the fat cow back (no doubt, the rabid ‘petistas’). It is pretty telling that the majority of the people interviewed in the south, southeast, centre west and the north, prefer that Temer continue, while the northeast - where the largest concentration of the Bolsa família is situated - prefers Dilma. Those that want neither Temer, nor Dilma, or those that want new elections, are negligible . And it is no surprise to see , after Dilma’s re-election, in Dec 2014, that the better educated saw corruption as the main problem while the poor, health and unemployment.
Now, the other poll, taken by the IBOPE (between 14-18 April, interviewed 2,022 people in 142 municipalities ), claims that 62 % want new elections; 25 % want Dilma back, only 8% want Temer to stay on ‘til 2018 ; 83% of Brazilians don’t like the “Brazilian style” democracy ….i.e., the PT’s democracy, over the last 14 years ; 14 % are happy with it - makes sense, about the 15 million families that live on the Bolsa família.
So this - IBOPE’s (prior) poll , as well as Greenwald's opinion - is the “proof” of the Folha’s fraud, is it ?? It’s not proof of anything, except that the 2 polls claim different results. Where the interviews were conducted might explain the different preferences , but believe what you will.
PS: I’m afraid I am unable to to concede that I was wrong - because I wasn’t.
You, as usual, have proved you are a biased twit. Good luck with that !
16 Tweedledum
Jul 25th, 2016 - 05:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You better inform Brad Brooks, Reuters’s chief correspondent for Brazil that he's wrong as you have the real goods. Moreover, that Mr Greenwald a Pulitzer Prize winner is also in error. All discovered by a zealous former shipping clerk, give yourself a shake. They have the credentials to supplement their opinions, and you have… remind me what exactly are your credentials. Oh! I remember only your own unqualified opinion.
“After our article was published yesterday, the full-scale unraveling of Folha’s story began when Brad Brooks*, Reuters’s chief correspondent for Brazil, noted an extraordinary discrepancy: while Folha trumpeted on its front page that only 3 percent of Brazilians want new elections and 50 percent want Temer to stay, the paper’s polling firm, Datafolha, had issued a press release with the published data announcing that 60 percent of Brazilians actually want new elections. Just compare this amazing contradiction:”
https://theintercept.com/2016/07/21/folhas-journalistic-fraud-far-worse-than-we-reported-yesterday-a-smoking-gun-emerges/
*Oddly/worse: Headline on first page of full data report *does* give percent who want new elections - still 60% twitter.com/ggreenwald/sta
@17 Tinker Bell
Jul 25th, 2016 - 07:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You can praise your 'lefties' all you want, but they haven't “proved” a damned thing. Strange, since you are obsessed with 'proof'...
Excerpt from the Intercept article :
1) “Response from Folha’s executive editor — they withheld data that was not “journalistically relevant” — cannot withstand scrutiny”
“Cannot stand scrutiny.....” says Greenwald. Does he actually have some kind of admission from the “Folha” that they deliberately falsified the results ??
2) “....... Brazilians now want the extremely unpopular interim president, Michel Temer, to complete Dilma’s term and remain as president through 2018.........”
“Extremely unpopular”......again, says who ? Greenwald, your buddy Brad ?? left-wing sites, known to lie in their teeth in order to favour the PT ??
3) “And, as one left-wing site noted in denouncing this latest polling headline from Folha as a “statistical fraud,” it is simply inconceivable that the percentage of Brazilians favoring new elections fell from 60 percent in April to 3 percent now, while the percentage wanting Temer to remain as president skyrocketed from 8 percent to 50 percent.”
And over a 3 month period, why is this change of perception by the people, so impossible ?? being called a fraud by a ‘left-wing’ site ? well, who would have thought it ?
Discussions one sees on TV, by serious, well respected political analysts and University professors, as well as articles on the internet, by journalists of neither left, nor right-leaning, tell a different story.
But as I said, whatever tickles your pickle, Tinker Bell.
18 Tweedledum
Jul 26th, 2016 - 12:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0You must think I'm as thick as you are. You can waffle all the sophistry you want. But it doesn't alter the fact that ”Brad Brooks, Reuters’s chief correspondent for Brazil, noted an extraordinary discrepancy: while Folha trumpeted on its front page that only 3 percent of Brazilians want new elections and 50 percent want Temer to stay, the paper’s polling firm, Datafolha, had issued a press release with the published data announcing that 60 percent of Brazilians actually want new elections. Just compare this amazing contradiction:” post #17. You just can't have a more clearer example of blatant fraud than this period
The truth is that media such as Folha and O Globo have a history of backing juntas and other undemocratic pro elitist governments. And to provide that backing they are prepared to do whatever it takes. That is what is occurring in this case. They have zero credibility!
Jul 26th, 2016 - 12:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0@19 Tinker Bell
Jul 26th, 2016 - 03:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is clear you select what you want then claim it's the Gospel truth. I've seen many idiots go down that road.
The fact is that the IBOPE polls were taken mid-April, while the fat cow was still in power, i.e., 01 month before she was got the boot. It was at that moment, that the population's mood - and even the PT's - started to swing towards new elections - despite the fact this option is not foreseen in the Constitution, unless both Dilma and Temer resigned. Those who still supported Dilma were prepared to accept new elections as they didn't want Temer to take over. Thus the alleged 25% who wanted her to stay and only 8% who preferred Temer. The fact that 83% of Brazilians were dissatisfied with the 'Brazilian-Style' democracy - sponsored by the PT and based upon Venezuela's Bolivarian dream (see “Foro de São Paulo”) - is exactly why many saw it as time for the PT to go....which actually happened 4 weeks later. However, in the 2 following months, after the ouster of the fat cow and her substitution by an interim government which appears will try to do what it needs to get Brazil back on track, it's no surprise that the perception of the majority of the people, regarding the economy / their future has changed - to the better. Something the socialists are not pleased with.
It's understandable that the left-wing types like you, and your buttlicker Hippy, can't stand to see yet another socialist, corrupt government, go down the drain. Too bad.
21 Tweedledum
Jul 26th, 2016 - 10:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You can muddy the waters all you want by invoking as many artifices as you wish. The point is Folha has given a different interpretation to a poll, than originators of the poll period. The fact that I don't share your enthusiasm for a restoration of the dictatorship doesn't mean I have a preference for the loony-left anymore than a disposition, for the loony-right.
@22 Tinker Bell
Jul 27th, 2016 - 07:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the problem with you, is that you refuse to accept the possibility that the public's perception of Dilma, before and after she was removed, might have changed..... Even if you wanted to ignore her “pedaladas”, forgive her for her lying prior to the 2014 election, plus her complete and utter incompetence, the fact remains that her 2010 and 2014 campaigns were financed (at least partially) by bribe-money, as admitted by those who received it - João Santana and his wife. So if she won't topple for one reason, there are plenty of others.
“The fact that I don't share your enthusiasm for a restoration of the dictatorship doesn't mean I have a preference for the loony-left anymore than a disposition, for the loony-right”.
You like to talk as if you actually experienced the “hardship” of the Military regime, so I'll ask you : were you living here for any time during that period , and if so, where (City) and for how long ?
Also, in Brazil there is only ONE 'small' party , the PSC , which might be considered right-wing....the rest are centre-left (PMDB, PSDB, DEM) and further left (PT, PC do B), so in your esteemed opinion, which one is the 'looney-right' ?
23 Tweedledum
Jul 27th, 2016 - 10:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The problem with you, is you can't stay focussed. You can deflect as much as you like, but the central issue is simply the fact that Folha has been caught lying, end of story.
“In Brazil there is only ONE '..party might be considered right-wing which one is the 'looney-right'? The specifics are not important as I'm sure you're securely ensconcedconced in the one that best suits your views. Of which you have left a delightful trail of, to wit:
12 Jack Bauer; ”..'Military dictatorship', let me clarify one thing : history is showing,.. ..that it was good for Brazil
http://en.mercopress.com/2015/07/17/brazil-s-corruption-scandals-reach-lula-da-silva-probe-into-influence-peddling
14 Jack Bauer; “.....but there is still one thing that can save Brazil...it has in the past, and might well do again...the Military.......maybe someone who has done so before, and had nothing to fear from it. It's a matter of comparing the military, to where this damned PT government is taking us.....and I prefer the former.”
5 Jack Bauer; “..Am pretty sure that military are accompanying all this crap, and not liking it....and if push comes to shove, I hope they DO take over...”
http://en.mercopress.com/2015/07/17/brazil-s-corruption-scandals-reach-lula-da-silva-probe-into-influence-peddling
@24 THill
Jul 28th, 2016 - 05:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“The specifics are not important....”
Of course they aren't - to you - because they show you for what you are, a bullsh*tter.
“You can deflect as much as you like, the central issue is simply the fact that Folha has been caught lying,.....”
Still no proof - just opinions....and opinions which refuse to take in to account the shift in the public's perception of Dilma and the PT.....
“Deflect” ? who's deflecting now ? the second half of your pathetic post, defending the PT , is a typical example of how to avoid the issue...
And, your refusal to confirm whether or not, you lived here while the Military was in power is a clear indication that you did not ; If you had, you probably wouldn't be the biased twit that you are, a result of depending on (and believing) left-wing journalists for your information. No surprise that you are repetitive and boring.
25 Jack Bauer
Jul 28th, 2016 - 10:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You can deflect as much as you like, the central issue is simply the fact that Folha has been caught lying.
Typically like, “So in your esteemed opinion, which one is the 'looney-right'?” Is an attempt to avoid the core issue that Folha has proved to be untruthful.
The 'looney-right' is which ever party you endorse, which politically will stand a little to the right of Attila the Hun.
Thanks for the confirmation that you are a dyed-in-the-wool fascist, by the clear evidence of your attempted deflections, and the fact you're convicted with your own words.
“Your..post, defending the PT, is a typical example of how to avoid the issue…” No your words prove what a liar you are, as there is nowhere in my post where I have ever defended the PT.
@26 THill
Jul 29th, 2016 - 07:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How d'you manage to spout so much crap ? your breath must stink !
Besides, reading the sos all the time gets boring, you parrot (no offence meant to the bird...)
27 Jack Bauer
Jul 29th, 2016 - 09:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So your up the proverbial creek without paddle. You're unable to substantiate any of your claims. In fact your owns words condemn you as a liar. Whereas, everything
claimed against Folha has been proven by the very poll, they claim to be relying on. 27 Jack Bauer
So your up the proverbial creek without paddle. You're unable to substantiate any of your claims. In fact your owns words condemn you as a liar. Whereas, everything claimed against Folha has been proven by the very poll, they claim to be relying on. GSAM
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