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US to provide Argentina with 24 state of the art T6-C Texan II training aircraft

Thursday, August 11th 2016 - 06:52 UTC
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Argentina is in the process of purchasing 24 T6-C Texan II training aircraft from the United States, which will also be employed in border control and combating drugs. Apparently the operation has been approved by the US Defense Department and was one of several good news Secretary of State brought last week when he visited Buenos Aires. Read full article

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  • Demantoid Garnet

    I hope all goes well with this sale / transfer. The T6-C aircraft really are very good.

    It's nice to see Argentina buying new, current technology to learn from... not used, refurbished second-hand material from other countries doing upgrades.

    Best wishes everyone.

    Aug 11th, 2016 - 11:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    There is of course one serious omission which will need rectifying before the planes get to Argentina: no training wheels each side halfway down the fuselage!

    :o)

    Aug 11th, 2016 - 12:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marti Llazo

    An interesting reminder of what Kirchnerismo did for the country. In 2015 for lack of decent trainers and funding, Argentine naval aviation was able to train and graduate/qualify only two pilots. And even then, the trainer aircraft were old recycled Grobs that had been “assembled” in Argentina for propaganda purposes, but actually constructed in Germany. The FAA (Argie Air Farce) was equally denied - of the few pilots remaining, many had their qualification delayed by years for lack of training assets, including trainer aircraft. Only about 5 of the Grobs could be kept operational at any given time. In fact neither the Argentine air force nor its naval aviation wings were allowed to have their own trainers by the Kirchner government: the Grobs were rented to the armed forces by the “Fábrica Argentina de Aviones” which had been turned over to La Cámpora as a pit in which to throw funds for political purposes, but which was useless for actually building aircraft.

    One of the USMILGP officers told me once that the Honduran Air Force could silence the entire Argentine military flying forces in 60 minutes.

    It will take many years for Argentina to recreate any sort of meaningful military capability, just as it will take decades for Third World Argentina to be thought of as even minimally serious as a nation.

    Aug 11th, 2016 - 02:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Englander

    Argentina doesn't need armed forces. It has no natural enemies and once it drops its silly claim to the Falklands there is absolutely no prospect of War with anybody.

    Aug 11th, 2016 - 03:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Enrique Massot

    Yes, Argentina--and most countries, anyway--do not need to direct significant parts of their budgets to finance fat armed forces.
    Argentina, with an increasingly poorer population, does not need to follow the example of the U.S., which spends 54 per cent of its budget ($598 billion) on the military, while spending a paltry six per cent on education ($70 billion) and an even paltrier amount on medicare and health ($66 billion).
    However, that's a possible explanation of the newly found warm relationship between the Macri administration and the U.S.
    Hey, I'll disclose some of the less harmful documents exchanged during the military dictatorship of the 1970s and you help me buying some military equipment we are having trouble selling these days.
    Meanwhile, Argentina enters the First World by opening up online purchases abroad in countries such as China, India, mercilessly stabbing the back of domestic small and medium size enterprises.

    Aug 11th, 2016 - 04:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CapiTrollism_is_back!!

    I agree disband the military. However build a state-of-the art missile defense shield to end the bullying of the British who always trot out their threat of using Trident, as bullies will always be bullies.

    Thus spend those millions and millions on R&D and build a shield that will protect us from the bullying.

    Those American planes look like a 3 year old Duplo and we spend 300 million on that. Unbelievable.

    Aug 11th, 2016 - 05:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    @ 3 Marti Llazo

    Good news (apparently) in Clarin yesterday about the Judge in the Nisman investigation issuing evidence warrants for cell phones and their provider records for all the obvious suspects:
    Gollum (Tinnerturd), Anibal The Cannibal and all the others, plus videos of the presidential residence (inside and out), gatekeeping records and a whole host of other data.

    Is anything likely to get back directly TMBOA? I realize what a stupid person she was (is) but surely not that stupid to let that happen?

    Aug 11th, 2016 - 05:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • FarmBoy

    Enrique, the 2016 US budget is 4.1 trillion. 598 billion is no where near 54 percent of that.

    Aug 11th, 2016 - 06:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    6@
    However build a state-of-the art missile defence shield to end the bullying of the British,

    still brainwashed I see,
    take out Argentina and you do away with all of the south atlantics problems.
    Argentina and your indoctrination is the problem, not Great Britain,
    or the peaceful innocent Falkland's.

    Aug 11th, 2016 - 07:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @6 Missile defence shields are a waste of money. A country with more money will build a better missile.

    Aug 11th, 2016 - 07:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marti Llazo

    KepTroll: “ ....agree disband the military...”

    Perfect sour grapes moment.

    Having through negligence destroyed any semblance of a military, now insist that there is no need to protect the frontiers from the incursions of drug traffickers, nor any need to control the pirate fishing operations.

    KepiTroll: “..... missile defense shield ...”

    So long as it is within available budgets, and will cost no more than US$55.96

    Argentina certainly could not operate and maintain, let alone develop any sort of missile shield. Argentina's degree of technology is stuck somewhere around 1976 levels, and any hope for greater advancement is limited to what the civilised nations will allow it to import.

    Given its demonstrably aggressive nature and willingness to invade the neighbours for up to 8 weeks, it is probably best that Argentina remain unable to assemble an armada of more than two heavily patched and leaking Zodiac gomones.

    Aug 11th, 2016 - 08:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • chronic

    Hopefully they won't end up with any of the NTA's.

    Rg's with hardpoints is just wrong.

    Pilatus is pretty robust but I'm sure rg will screw them up before long.

    Aug 11th, 2016 - 09:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marti Llazo

    KepiTroll: “Those American planes look like a 3 year old Duplo ...”

    To the uninitiated, the inexperienced, and the uninformed argentophile, whose technological range is limited to the box of Legos for ages 8 to 12, then yes, such a comparison is understandable.

    --

    “The Best-Built Airplane That Ever Was - The worldwide cult of the T-6. ”

    http://www.airspacemag.com/history-of-flight/best-airplane-that-ever-was-t6-texan-180957294/?no-ist

    ”More people hear the T-6, see it, smell it, touch it, and fly in it than any other warbird on the planet. According to the North American Trainer Association, an advocacy group for enthusiasts of the T-6, T-28, and other trainers, at least 500 T-6s (and variants, SNJs and Harvards) are flying today in the United States alone. And anyone who attends airshows can tell you that the T-6 Texan is ubiquitous. Why? Because as warbirds go, the T-6 is remarkably affordable and accessible.”

    Aug 11th, 2016 - 10:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Anglo Turnip Marti Llazo lectures at (13) an Argie poster saying...:

    “To the uninitiated, the inexperienced, and the uninformed argentophile, whose technological range is limited to the box of Legos for ages 8 to 12, then yes, such a comparison is understandable”

    -Then..., with typical Anglo haughtiness and ignorance..., he links us to an article about the WW2 North American T-6 Texan...
    (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_T-6_Texan)
    instead of linking us to the actual plane... that is a Beechcraft T-6 Texan II.... (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_T-6_Texan)

    To the uninitiated, the inexperienced, and the uninformed Anglo Turnip whose intelectual range is limited to a box of Lego for ages 3 to 6..., then yes, such a mistake is understandabl... indeed!

    What a Turnip !

    Aug 12th, 2016 - 12:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • chronic

    13.@ The T6 is a dog.

    The T28 is a small terror.

    You'd better step in heavy when you rotate it.

    I can remember when rs had dozens of them.

    Most were from s america.

    And many of them had mounts.

    A few still had tanks.

    Aug 12th, 2016 - 02:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CapiTrollism_is_back!!

    @10

    The alternative is to build nukes. But either we should have some mechanism to not be easily bullied by you.

    @13

    It's a joke of a plane, for 300 million dollar price tag. If it looks like a toy, sounds like a toy, moves like a toy...

    Aug 12th, 2016 - 06:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Voice

    “Like a toy?” A child would know that :-)

    Aug 12th, 2016 - 08:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    Funny, it's usually armchair Nobel laureate economists talking shit. Now, all the warriors are out talking shit.......all pilots no less.

    Aug 12th, 2016 - 10:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CapiTrollism_is_back!!

    I can fly you buffoons and I would never fly on a toy like that. It is technological junk compared to what can be purchased out there. A flying Flintmobile.

    Aug 12th, 2016 - 10:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @19 Hahahahaha. Only when you are tripping. Come on, you have told us far too much about yourself for us to believe you are a pilot. A passenger, maybe.

    Aug 12th, 2016 - 10:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • golfcronie

    Whilst in Libya we were flown from rig to rig in Pilatus Porters which no doubt were the predessesors of the T9. They were very good aircraft suitable for pilot training.

    Aug 12th, 2016 - 12:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    #19 Tobi......you can fly like a brick......besides......heroine does not count!

    You realize that before runners can run they learn to walk. Military pilots, being one as you lied in post #19 should know this, do not learn the theory and principles of flight in jets. Nor do most enter the military as jet pilots already. Maybe you should learn what the US Naval and Air Force pilot training is like. And yes, they learn to fly on a T-6A Texan II's whether they have a simple FAA license or not. Whether you can swallow it or not, the top 5 best trained pilots in the world are:

    USA
    Russia
    Israel/UK
    China
    France

    However, China is not fire tested.

    As a kis, I use to play with the balsam wood planes with a rubber band, Tobi beacause I did like you, that does not make us pilots. Don't keep skipping your meds.

    Aug 12th, 2016 - 01:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • chronic

    21. Love the Porter, even more than the Helio.

    Aug 12th, 2016 - 02:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CapiTrollism_is_back!!

    Not a single argie cent should go to the NorthAmoans or Anglos.

    Remember, the Iraq War of Agression and Genocide cost about 900 million a week. That means that these 300 million Argentina is handing to the NorthAmoans can keep their war mongering machine in Afghanistan or some other place going for at least two or more weeks. How many will be killed in that time?

    Argentina has blood in its hands handing cash to the war criminals in the north.

    Aug 12th, 2016 - 03:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • :o))

    Has Argentina an airforce? Good to know!

    Aug 12th, 2016 - 05:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    Tobi, I think Argentine's single handedly off off the economy in Miami.....lol. If you only knew now much more Argentine's spend in the USA than in their own country. Return to your homeland and see for yourself.

    Why is it every time I am in Mendoza......you're not online?

    “How many will be killed in that time? ”

    Not enough! Are you still supporting Islamic terrorist Tobi? Why have you not changed your ways?

    Aug 12th, 2016 - 05:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    @24
    Argentina has blood in its hands ,,

    you said it.....

    Aug 12th, 2016 - 06:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Rufus

    Well, it's definitely proven technology, and in fairness the UK does have a single T-6 on it's books still.
    As I understand it, it's used as a trainer for tail-dragging aircraft at ETPS because they couldn't find anything cheaper or more reliable

    Aug 12th, 2016 - 10:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    Surely they are to expensive for poor Argentina to afford,

    and abt cheaper ones within argy pay range.

    http://www.planeandpilotmag.com/article/10-cheapest-birds-in-the-sky/#.V68Bqcv6thF

    10 Cheapest Birds In The Sky

    Don't Let Their Low Prices Deter You: These Planes Aim to Please
    just trying to help..

    Aug 13th, 2016 - 11:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    TWIMC

    This “Deal” is as dead as a Dodo...
    Mr. Macri “forgot” to ask permision from his bosses...
    http://www.infobae.com/politica/2016/08/12/cuestionan-las-opciones-que-maneja-el-gobierno-para-reemplazar-los-aviones-de-la-fuerza-aerea/

    Aug 13th, 2016 - 01:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    Better of using simulators.

    Aug 13th, 2016 - 06:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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