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Falklands/Malvinas: Malcorra confirms new dialogue with UK in a raft of issues
Argentina is at the beginning of a new dialogue on the Malvinas issue with the current UK government and this includes air links, hydrocarbons, identifying Argentine graves remains in Falklands, a possible meeting of the two countries' leaders in China, but none of this will happen overnight or make media headlines, anticipated foreign minister Susana Malcorra. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesMalcorra has the build of an all-in wrestler, why is she not in the Argentine 95 Kgs class? They could do with a medal.
Aug 15th, 2016 - 09:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0The only 'issue' regarding the Falklands is that Argentina is trying to steal the islands. They tried the military option, which failed, and now they try lying and cheating, crying and begging which isn't working either.
Aug 15th, 2016 - 09:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina MUST understand, before any progress is made, that nothing will be considered that may contradict the Islanders interests and desires. The elected representatives of the Islanders MUST be included in any meetings.
Aug 15th, 2016 - 10:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0If Argentina fails to recognise these conditions then no progress will be made. Furthermore, sovereignty of the archipelago will not be discussed - if Argentina persists then they should be directed to the International Court of Justice.
@3
Aug 15th, 2016 - 11:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0“ The elected representatives of the Islanders MUST be included in any meetings.”
I believe according to the Franks Report (1983). Islanders were included in talks with the Argentines prior to 1982. So why the Argentines have objections to that now is attributable to their double standards, and are scared that the Islanders will debunk the false history that Argentina peddles, during such meetings.
Argentina's history of military success is usually against weak or no opposition, so when there is opposition, either military or theoretical, they don't like it up em.
It is significant that they are scared of being in the same room as 2 people from the Islands.
” There is a line of work about the possibility of flights (Falklands/Argentina), and this must be developed. ”
1/-First get airliners that are properly maintained and can make it to the Islands and back without crashing.
2/- Accept that the Islanders are unlikely to use Argentine aircraft to travel to South America, because they can use LAN Chile.
3/- You'd better get used to speaking to the Director of Civil Aviation in the Falklands, if you want to fly there.
4/- Surely these flights will make an economic loss if they are only ferrying veterans so what's the point?
5/- You will have to agree to UK military servicemen checking the flights before they take off from Argentina, to ensure there are no hijackers, Argentine troops on board (though the killer dogs at MPA would prevent any raid on the airfield).
What disagreement? The matter is settled.
Aug 15th, 2016 - 11:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Malvinas is a deep disagreement we have with the UK, and president Macri has told this to ex prime minister David Cameron on two occasions and I so spoke about it when I met in London with my peer Philip Hammond”, said the Argentine minister in a weekend interview.”
Aug 15th, 2016 - 11:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Malevolent Midget Malcorra also stated: “I didn't understand Minister Hammonds final statement ”please go and procreate“”.
Seems reasonable to me. :o)
Susana Malcorra,
Aug 15th, 2016 - 12:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0a version 2 just for you.
Time to give up on the mythical sovereignty claims before too many people start laughing.
https://www.academia.edu/27599163/Argentinas_Illegitimate_Sovereignty_Claims_V2
@6 Andy Capp
Aug 15th, 2016 - 03:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”The Malevolent Midget Malcorra also stated: “I didn't understand Minister Hammonds final statement ”please go and procreate“”.
Seems reasonable to me. :o)”
What is the point of making that remark? This is supposed to be a serious discussion - your sort of levity only detracts form that!
@4 “.....to ensure there are no hijackers,....”
Aug 15th, 2016 - 03:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Did you know that Argentina invented international airliner hijacking?
It's one of the few distinguishing accomplishments they can be proud of.
Of course, being Argentine, the hijackers did not realise that there was at the time no landing strip capable of accommodating the Aerolineas DC4 in the Falklands. Duh. [facepalm]
The hijackers were part of a group that, like Perón, greatly admired Mussolini and Hitler, and modeled their ideology after the Spanish fascists that supported Franco. In other words, Argentines.
Kirchnerism awarded special pensions to these hijacker terrorists, as a tribute from a grateful nation.
http://en.mercopress.com/2009/07/22/pensions-for-argentine-members-of-failed-attempt-to-capture-the-falklands-i
http://en.mercopress.com/2009/07/22/pensions-for-argentine-members-of-failed-attempt-to-capture-the-falklands-i
As if there were any need for more reasons to reject connections with Aerolineas Argentinas.
Let us ask foreign minister Susana Malcorra a few questions:
Aug 15th, 2016 - 03:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 01. How did Great Britain/UK acquire the Falkland Islands in 1833, peacefully or by force?
2. How did Argentina acquire Patagonia and the northern indigenous provinces in the late 1870s, peacefully or by force?
3. How did Argentina acquire the Argentine part of the Viceroyalty of the Río de la Plata in 1816, peacefully or by force?
4. How did Spain acquire Spanish America, peacefully or by force?
@ Nancy
Aug 15th, 2016 - 05:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So I take it that you think that what this gold-digging ball of lard should be taken seriously?
Are you MAD? Or just taking the piss? (That suggests you are having a joke as you seem to get all riled up when Anglo-Saxon words are used).
@4 Pete - I thought they'd retired the killer dogs, and had imported the man-eating badgers that they had to deny releasing around Basra a few years back?
Aug 15th, 2016 - 06:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@9
Aug 15th, 2016 - 06:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Wow, and Kirchner gave the hijackers pensions. That's pretty special.
Was the aeroplane able to take off again from the racecourse or was it stuck in the mud?
@11 Andy Capp
Aug 15th, 2016 - 07:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I chose to give you the nickname of “Andy Capp” because your attitude here just shows what an insignificant little man you are! Your most recent posts confirm that!
And I think you ought to know that the old saying about “sticks and stones” applies here - you can carry on calling me “Nancy” as long as you like, you puerile idiot!
Well,
Aug 15th, 2016 - 07:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't think the uk should do any business with Argentina until it drops its claim,
and accepts that the islanders have a right to exist,
just my opinion,
but if you give them, even a tiny weeny bit, they will claim another victory and push their claim again and again,
no negotiation's until they leave the islanders alone,
@ 15 “Leaving the islanders alone” would require a change to the argie constitution, a profound change in the cultural DNA, and a degree of maturity that is forbidden in Argentina by statute.
Aug 15th, 2016 - 10:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0---
-- @13 RE the Argentine hijacking of the plane in 1966: “Was the aeroplane able to take off again from the racecourse ...? ”
Just for fun, a picture of the stuck DC4
http://aviation-safety.net/photos/displayphoto.php?id=19660928-0&vnr=1&kind=H
NO, Argentina, no, no, no, no.
Aug 16th, 2016 - 10:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0How many times do we have to say it?
We do not need you,
We do not want you,
We do not like you,
So just get lost, shoo, scram, begone, 'op it.
@17 “We do not need you,
Aug 16th, 2016 - 02:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We do not want you,
We do not like you,...”
Reminds me of that famous bit of doggerel,
Dr Seuss and the Argie You Are
We do not like you,
Argie You Are
Would you like them
Here or there?
We would not like them
here or there.
We would not like them
anywhere.
We do not like them,
Argie You Are.
Would you like them
near your house?
Would you like them
with a mouse?
We do not like them
near our house.
We do not like them
with a mouse.
We do not like them
here or there.
We do not like them
anywhere.
We do not like them
Argie You Are
Would you like them
on a boat?
Would you like them
with a stoat?
Not on a boat.
Not with a stoat.
Not near our house.
Not with a mouse.
We would not like them here or there.
We do not like them anywhere.
We do not
would not
can not
shall not
will not
like you
despicable
thieving
arrogant
murderous
Argie You Are.
@Marti Llazo
Aug 16th, 2016 - 03:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0¿Como los aguantas?
Perhaps the brain washed foreign minister Susana Malcorra.
Aug 16th, 2016 - 03:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0should talk to the north Koreans,
at least she would be speaking to an equal, both are brainwashed,
so they say.
@16
Aug 16th, 2016 - 03:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And here you can find a picture of former President Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner parading one of the hijackers' flags around as if it were a religious relic.
http://www.minutouno.com/notas/265583-homenaje-cristina-fernandez-al-operativo-condor-itati
@ 19 ¿Como los aguantas?
Aug 16th, 2016 - 04:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Es complicado, pero se puede. Además la oportunidad de observar diariamente tales boludeces, ineficacia, e ineptitud constituye la mejor forma de entretenimiento grátis.
@22 Marti Lazo
Aug 16th, 2016 - 04:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0¡Ja! ¡Ja!
out of interest, politicians screwing up,
Aug 16th, 2016 - 06:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Read this and weep, or whatever you decide to do,
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@ 14 Nancy No.1
Aug 16th, 2016 - 07:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Now I wonder just who you are?
I don't think you are gordo1 / 01, he just hasn't got the intellect for a stunt like that.
Anyway, you seem to think that Nancy is a term of derision but nothing could be further from the truth.
gordo1 / 01 started calling me Andy Capp, which shows he is at least 60 YO and probably nearer to my age, thinking he was insulting me and had never known that Nancy was AC's little whippet.
I have always loved whippets but in the case of gorso1 / 01 it's just too much of a compliment so I am going to stop it. I will however think of a tag which closely describes his inner conflict and embarrassment at being an RCC prisoner of the Vatican.
Such a range, I need to contemplate further!
This has become an interesting thread.
Aug 16th, 2016 - 08:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Quite humourous in places.
Now what do our RG “friends” make of it all?
@9 Marti
Aug 16th, 2016 - 10:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, my comment was an oblique reference to the DC4 hijacking.
You are right to point out what boneheads they were, not realising there was an airstrip to land at.
Only asslips could see the idiots as heroes.
Still makes me laugh today how little the Argentines know about a country they claim, itself a cause for mirth. Most references I have seen by Argentina(admittedly, pre-Macri) to an airfield, have been to Stanley-as if MPA doesn't exist!!
@26 “Now what do our RG “friends” make of it all?”
Aug 17th, 2016 - 12:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0I doubt that they understand any of it.
@25 Andy Capp
Aug 17th, 2016 - 11:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0I am really curious to know why you announce your belief that I suffer from an “inner conflict and embarrassment at being an RCC prisoner of the Vatican.”
Nothing of the sort! You are a fool! An immature cretin!
By the way, RCC can mean many things!
viz.http://www.acronymfinder.com/RCC.html
@ 29
Aug 17th, 2016 - 02:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's very simple really! I thought you were an intelligent person who had suffered a serious brain injury or disease which affected your reasoning or else why would you be a member of the RCC, especially after being in the CofE?
Both organisations believe in pre-medieval fairy tales, except, in place of direct contact with the Chief Fairy as in CofE, the RCC demands you go through a bunch of non-entities before your 'plea' MAY be heard.
Why accept second best? More importantly why bother with either?
Plus of course the dreadful reputation the RCC has for hypocrisy (the wealthiest band of liars on the planet overseeing the poorest flock) and of course failing to properly deal with the kiddy fiddlers within their ranks at all levels around the world. If this were a business ALL the top brass around the world would be in jail for that failure alone.
And don't get me started on the rejection of allowing pregnant women who have a Zika infection to have abortions (YES, I know YOU don't agree but you still support the RCC by still being a member).
So I was mistaken then? I thought any intelligent person who would agonise over these shortfalls to the point of inner conflict, whereas in reality you are just frightened of death and want to go on forever in some paradise.
Why not do a second transfer, this time to Islam? Both are religions of Abraham but with the bat-shit mad option you can have the added bonus of 70 virgins!
Thank you for your praise of me, it comes as such a comfort.
@30 Andy Capp
Aug 17th, 2016 - 02:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0These are just your opinions - to which you are welcome. Your conclusions are, of course, totally erroneous.
Of course, your conception of religion is yours and is shared with many other atheists BUT you cannot prove that anything you say is true - you just believe it! In exactly the same way that Christians have their beliefs and, of course, we have the right to express our beliefs - just as you have.
You clearly have a problem with all Christians - not just me. Just keep your sad opinions to yourself!
@ 31
Aug 17th, 2016 - 05:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You mistake my views on religion.
Do you not realize it's ALL established religions, especially those which continue to wreak death onto others who believe other religions and even to atheists who don't believe any 'religion'.
The American bible bashers are now claiming that atheism is a religion. Cupid stunts.
@32 Andy Capp
Aug 17th, 2016 - 05:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't believe I mistake your views at all. But as I know little or nothing about other established(whatever that may mean)religions I prefer not to opine. I don't even try to pretend I know anything about other religions as you do - or at least as you try to make us think you do.
I do agree that it is deplorable that religious beliefs can be the cause of hatred leading to genocide but the primitive societies where this occurs are now identified. However, prejudice still exists even in civilised societies i.e.anti Semitism in the UK and especially in the Labour Party at high levels.
@ 33
Aug 17th, 2016 - 06:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“hatred leading to genocide but the primitive societies where this occurs are now identified”
It's the primitive religion know as Islam, demonstrably the most primitive bunch on the planet.
I agree with your final sentence wholeheartedly, Jesus was of course a Jew himself.
Come on chaps,
Aug 17th, 2016 - 06:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 050 Medals in the Olympics,
aint it grand to be British.
@34 Andy Capp
Aug 18th, 2016 - 06:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Jesus was of course a Jew himself” So you believe he existed!
@ 36
Aug 18th, 2016 - 11:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0You overlook that until the age of 14 or so my parents lied to me about god, hell and the rest of the mumbo jumbo laughingly called 'religion'. They did so because that was how they were brought up by my grandparents. All this entailed LOVE, they didn't want me to die and that was the end to it.
I no longer believe that nonsense and all the crap about “look at a newborn baby and tell me there isn't a god”. So who 'made' cancers and all the other problems that animals (including us) experience before they die?
Anyway, YES, I do 'believe' that there was someone in Judea who may have been called Jesus (or it became that) who preached as he is supposed to have done. I still try to live my life as he set forth except for the 'turn the other cheek', in my experience that just gets you another slap.
But, and there's always a but, the 'scriptures' are a fallacy, they were written many years after the event of Christ and by people who had never known a living witness to the alleged events. You must also know that the pre-medieval RCC invented many of the facets of catholicism simply for their own end as did the early CofE after Henry VIII gutted the RCC. It was only ever about control of the masses: behave yourself in this life, put up with slavery and serfdom and you will enter paradise, but no 70 virgins, they missed a trick there.
And then of course there is the other Abrahamic religion: Islam.
If all these religions had been exterminated as they should have been there would have been far fewer wars and much less suffering in the world.
Yes, we would be 'on our own' without a god to 'guide our way' and how much better we would all have been. That's a statement, not a question.
England will return the Malvinas within 25 years.
Aug 19th, 2016 - 01:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hepathetic, England doesn't have any malvinas. No, nary a one. And there is none on back-order. Sorry to disappoint. Now run along.
Aug 19th, 2016 - 03:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0@37
Aug 19th, 2016 - 05:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“If all these religions had been exterminated as they should have been there would have been far fewer wars and much less suffering in the world.”
I'm not religious but I don't believe this. Religion is usually just an excuse for war, and people with different ones have no trouble working together when it suits them. See the USA and Saudi Arabia.
Plus communism is anti-religion, and it certainly did not lead to less war and suffering.
@ 40 DemonTree
Aug 19th, 2016 - 06:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“See the USA and Saudi Arabia.”
Now, what was it Bush Jnr said about the Arabs?
“Arabs, what Arabs!” (signifying there weren't going to be any soon).
With friends like Bush you don't need enemies.
You misunderstand communism.
The elite of communist states see themselves as omnipotent and able to do WTF they please: Pol Pot, Lenin. Stalin, the idiot family in N. Korea, the Cuban duo, et al. Don't overlook the present Chin 'Mandarins', they are spoiling for a fight and who would dare to stop them: they ARE gods.
@41
Aug 19th, 2016 - 07:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yet before, during, and after Bush II the US was always allied with the Saudis, despite their fundamentalist religion.
Whereas countries and people with the same religion have gone to war with each other multiple times.
Are you saying communism is a religion? Although there are similarities it lacks any belief in the supernatural, except perhaps in North Korea.
In any case if you want to get rid of religion, make everyone rich and secure. Countries where those things are true are usually a lot less religious.
Kids, the article was about the Falklands.
Aug 19th, 2016 - 10:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And there is a delightful little story in the local media today on that Kirchnerista sailboat abandoned near the Falklands ( the less-than-capable crew ultimately abandoned it because they were, um, too cold and tired) .
Even if you don't read jibber-jabber, the pictures tell the story. The leaky boat is floating junk. And there is an English-language press statement from the Falkland Islands government that is worth reading, near the bottom of the article
http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1929669-el-velero-kirchnerista-que-esta-en-malvinas-volvera-a-la-argentina
If you do read jibber-jabber, you can appreciate the silliness in the group's attempts to not recognise the Falkland Islands Government as they try to negotiate with the FIG to get the wreck released so that they can try again.
As it turns out, the crew from the first attempt, rather inexperienced and less than capable, have suffered a tragic degree of wisdom in deciding not to try the stunt again. So they had to find another suicide squad for the attempt to sail it back to Argenzuela. Judging by the deteriorated state of the hulk, it's going to take some serious time and money to make it safe to leave the harbour.
Being Argentine there are of course some considerable errors in the article. “ la legislatura malvinense” for example (there is no such thing) and “Puerto Argentino” (no such place, at least no such place in the Falkland Islands).
We're taking bets on how far that boat gets from the Falklands before it sinks.
@43
Aug 21st, 2016 - 05:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It still floats? Incredible !!
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