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Macri claims Kirchnerism created 750.000 government jobs to hide a stagnant economy
President Mauricio Macri expressed concern that Argentina's employment rate “barely exceeds” 40% and criticized previous administrations for creating 750,000 government jobs to hide what he said was its inability to grow the economy. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesI was making this point to Enrique yesterday. These were non-jobs and a huge burden to the country. Now they can find real employment which is sustainable in the long-term.
Aug 26th, 2016 - 08:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0Uruguay has even worse metrics than Argentina.
Aug 26th, 2016 - 12:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There is no wish to alter them with The Broad Fraud in power and 1.4M stinking poor drawing money NOT TO WORK.
So the question as always is: how do you get turkeys to vote for Christmas?
Reeeeeeeeekie loves gnocchi.
Aug 26th, 2016 - 12:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He thinks that government is the engine of growth.
The won decade was simply a mortgage on the future.
And rg continues to devolve.
Why 'stinking poor'. Why use such a derogatory term for poor people?
Aug 26th, 2016 - 02:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0From another (closed) thread: Reekie “To believe 2.7 per cent of new unemployment can be attributed to ñoquis being fired is childish at best.”
Aug 26th, 2016 - 03:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And yet 750,000/41,450,000 = 1.8% which, given that the “new 2.7%” is based on dodgy 2015 data so is likely an over-estimate, is remarkably close.
So the numbers do indeed support the hypothesis that the majority of new unemployment can be attributed to ñoquis being fired rather than an underlying worsening of the economy. :-)
@5 Exactly. They were already unemployed but under a different name.
Aug 26th, 2016 - 05:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 4 EB
Aug 26th, 2016 - 05:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You ARE referring to my post at 2 I take it?
Clearly, although you claim otherwise, you have never been in a line waiting at the checkout in Argentina because they have exactly the same problem.
It is not a derogatory term at all but an accurate description of the hordes of people on the handouts supporting them NOT working OR washing themselves.
They don't waste money on washing either themselves or their clothes even though a bar of scented soap only costs 16 UYU Pesos (42 pence in UK money) in the nationwide chain of a certain Supermercado during their twice yearly sale where everything in the sale area is 16 Pesos. They stink of URINE mostly with stale beer aroma and the smell of cigarettes thrown in as an appetizer.
You clearly have not read my previous explanations as to WHY these people are poor. They, like their parents, NEVER worked at school. They had permission not to graduate and left at 15YO, with the blessing of the Education Minister because these people spoilt school for everyone who wanted to learn. Like their parents, they NEVER get a job and since 'No Money Pepe' paid them money for nothing. You see them walking out of TV sales carrying new LED HD televisions and smoking their heads off.
You led us to believe you knew all about poverty in your visits to The Dark Country when really you haven't got a clue.
@7 You are a revolting old man.
Aug 26th, 2016 - 06:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“You led us” Who is 'us'? You don't speak for anyone but yourself unless you are referring to voices in your head.
Being poor does not equate to stinking. There are plenty of wealthy old men that smell of piss and your bad attitude stinks from here.
Eight months into his term, Argentina president Mauricio Macri reveals the unthinkable: the previous government had hired as many as 750,000 ñoquis!
Aug 26th, 2016 - 06:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentines now can be reassured that current drops in economic activity, persistent inflation, raising unemployment, shrinking consumption and spiralling foreign debt are all consequences of the famous “heavy inheritance” and not at all an outcome of economic measures of the new government.
As Elaine jubilantly announces at #1, ”Now (the laidoff ones) can find real employment which is sustainable in the long-term.“ The prospect will no doubt lift the spirits of the increasing number of unemployed.
As for Macri, he ”stressed the need to seek out new markets through steps to bolster trade and investment with the United States, Japan and the European Union.”
Wow! No mention of China or other suspects. That really sounds like a plan. Thanks, president!
@9 There was nothing 'jubilant' about my remark. Where do you get that from?
Aug 26th, 2016 - 07:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The people in false jobs were effectively being bribed with tax-payers money to vote in CFK. How is that ethical or sustainable?
The K's drained the country of money to stay in power so they could steal vast amounts of money for themselves. How is that ethical or sustainable?
#10 ElaineB
Aug 26th, 2016 - 07:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“There was nothing 'jubilant' about my remark.”
Elaine: think about what you wrote. You suggested those who have lost their job can now “find real employment which is sustainable in the long-term.”
I ventured the term 'jubilation' because of the casual way you wrote, like if finding a job were an easy task. At this time, many Argentines are looking exactly for “real” employment that is “sustainable in the long term.” There are not enough positions available. Why, even the informal employment, the famous 'changas' have been reduced.
I would like to point out that beyond our disagreements, I respect you as somebody who wishes well to Argentina and Argentines. I commend you for your repudiation of the incredible scorn, disdain and disrespect exhibited by the individual nicknamed ChrisR posting at #7.
Again, an inferiority complexed individual seeking consolation in blaming and putting down the weakest in society in an attempt to show that somedoby is having a worse life than himself.
@9 “Argentines now can be reassured that current drops in economic activity, persistent inflation, raising unemployment, shrinking consumption and spiralling foreign debt are all consequences of the famous “heavy inheritance” and not at all an outcome of economic measures of the new government.”
Aug 26th, 2016 - 08:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I see that you used the word “persistent” for inflation rather than “raising” or “spiralling”. Is this because this is the only metric for which we currently have reliable comparative statistics and it is actually decreasing?
Has Macri requested any new foreign loans? No? Is he paying the interest on the current loans? Yes. So why would foreign debt be “spiralling”?
Some facts might help your case.
@11 I think you make a mistake in assuming I write my words 'casually'.
Aug 26th, 2016 - 09:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are, again, not acknowledging the role the Kirchners have played in creating a situation where finding a job is so very difficult. And you are detracting from the fact that these people were NEVER in employment. They were being bribed by CFK with money that was not hers. The money ran out. Had the Kirchners spent more time creating an economy where there was more employment opportunity there would not be this mess. All they were concerned with was staying in power to steal more money.
What do you suggest Macri does? Uses the little funds left to bribe these unemployed people to vote for him? Or use what resources are left to focus on recovering the economy for the future?
I do care about my many Argentine friends and have a great fondness for the country. I saw first-hand CFK's corruption at work and the way she scammed the poorest and most ignorant. With Macri I see the first glimmer of hope for the country in a long time. No one said it was going to be easy.
You got ChrisR right.
#13 ElaineB
Aug 27th, 2016 - 05:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0You are right: I do not believe the current situation can be attributed to the Kirchners. I believe it was created by a government that has come for revenge on behalf of a narrow strip of Argentine society--against the majorities.
Elaine, it's not the alleged ñoquis who are suffering today. It sure started with layoffs of public employees, but you should know that the private sector is also letting go employees or cutting down hours. The increased unemployment and reduction of purchasing power his now hitting the small businesses, and pretty soon the economy will contract even more. Many who thought they would benefit are feeling the pinch.
I do understand that a sector of the public opinion still places the responsibility for what happens today on a government that stopped conducting business eight months ago. However, you've got to go beyond Clarin and its propaganda. There are many sources where you can cross-check information.
If you care for Argentina and its citizens, I trust that sooner or later, at some point into the current government's term you are going to say 'okay, from now on what happens is this government responsibility.'
#14 Enrique Massot,
Aug 27th, 2016 - 10:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0Macri is correct and I am surprised that is only 750,000 the noquis. During the last years that I visited Argentina, you could see many people sitting bored doing absolutely nothing at public agency. For example, at the INTA front desk at their Cabildo building, you will be received by 3 THREE employees that share a desk good for one person only. Who pays for their salary? The productive tax payers and business that must raise their good prices. Now, if you ask me: what do you do with the other 2 employees if you fire them, you have a good and valid question but to ignore that there is a HUGE problem with employment of government personnel is burying your head in the sand. My conclusion is: one entire generation (or maybe 2) is screwed. How are you going to get a 40 year old employee to productively work? He knows that the K are filth and that their were destroying the country but he his willing to put up with it because he knows the alternative is bleak for him but he fails to realize that he is screwing up the country for his kids and grant-kids. It is time to pay the piper!!!
@14 How can you be so naive to believe that the Kirchners did not create the current economic crisis? It is economic 101 that it takes years to change an economic situation, not months. Come on, you are an adult.
Aug 27th, 2016 - 10:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0Why do you never respond to the fact that the Kirchners looted all of the country's resources? They stole it from future generations in order to buy power in the short term. Just because they say words you like to hear you ignore what they actually did.
I saw with my own eyes the decline in Argentina, particularly under CFK when the reality of the Kirchner Plan hit home. Fancy words, fudging numbers and refusing to acknowledge the dire consequences of mismanagement did not cover up the reality. Everyone could see it. If you had been there you would have seen it too. The poor were getting poorer. The middle classes were getting poorer. The only people getting richer were CFK and her associates.
ElaineB
Aug 27th, 2016 - 11:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0Off the medication it seems then.
Why did you refer to my post if you did not wish me to respond to your question. And you know you will get a truthful answer from me but you didn't want that, did you?
So back with the insults, insults to Riki.
You are a pathetic creature who denies the truth I say ecen though you have never been to Uruguay, nevermind waited in line behind the stinking poor: but heh, you know best. It also seems you have never gone into the villas either, is this the same as avoiding ex-pats in the countries you travel first class to?
So, I give you a challenge. As you are heartbroken about the poor why don't you convince your employer to pay for a first class return ticket, but provide you with cattle class for actual use and then you send the substantial balance to Uruguay for 'the poor'.
So come on, put your money where your big mouth and tiny mind are for once?
@17 The malignant narcissist needing to create drama to feed off. It is all you have.
Aug 27th, 2016 - 12:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Interesting that you don't challenge Enrique on his summary of you. Too scared?
Yes, I have been to Uruguay. No the poor are not 'stinking'. What is it with you and your insulting the people you choose to live amongst. Where did it all go wrong? Your business failed, you had to sell your house at the bottom of the market and could only afford to retire in a developing country. Now cut off from family you do nothing but insult the country you live in a and the people around you. The only friend you have you had to pay. Is that why bitterness seeps out of your posts?
You are so envious of me and my lifestyle or you would not forever go on about how I travel. What's wrong? Are you one of the stinking poor that cannot afford a decent seat on a plane? Is that the problem?
@ 18 The Troll
Aug 27th, 2016 - 05:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So, in summary, you are NOT taking me up on my challenge to help the poor by sacrificing a first class ticket?
No, it would mean you travelling cattle-class wouldn't it?
Hypocrite.
I do so love your imbecilic conclusions about my financial circumstances. :o)
@19 You didn't issue a challenge but desperately tried to grasp some power over my life. You failed miserably again.
Aug 27th, 2016 - 06:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I already fly first class AND help the disadvantaged, so what do you do except call poor people 'stinking'. Or maybe you are one of the poor I am helping?
#19 ChrisR
Aug 28th, 2016 - 06:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0Chris, give up already! Elaine got you. You are finished.
@ 20 The Troll
Aug 28th, 2016 - 11:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0From my post @ 17
“So, I give you a challenge”
Are you having reading difficulties now or can't you see through the tears of frustration? Deflection won't work.
I pay all the taxes required of me in the UK and UYU. My money and that of others who pay tax (not the 'tax' of government 'workers') provides the money given to these wasters.
The ONLY way these people will get out of poverty is to work at school and graduate and then get themselves a job and earn their money.
BUT, and there's always a but for people so blinkered as you: THEY DON'T WANT TO DO THAT, ESPECIALLY THE WORK BIT.
BTW 'the disadvantaged' (such a lovely western PC label) are not even close to the stinking poor. THAT is why your bleating looks so foolish.
@ 22 Riki
Trying to 'get one back on me' riding on EB's skirts are we? The problem is of course you have no idea WTF we are posting about. Not even close.
@22
Aug 28th, 2016 - 11:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0Why do you want to control how I travel? Why does it irk you so much that I travel First Class? Does it make you feel even more inferior?
You really are ignorant, Chris. Of course people do not want to live in poverty. You must surely know by now that social mobility in South America is near impossible. You could help by assisting rather than making pejorative comments about the poor. You are lower than a worm's belly.
Now take a long look at your comments. I already contribute substantially to helping the disadvantaged get out of poverty and you do nothing except pay the minimum you are forced to. Why not set yourself a challenge to improve yourself before you die. Then your life won't be entirely wasted.
@ 23
Aug 28th, 2016 - 04:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Of course people do not want to live in poverty.”
The stinking poor do not see it as poverty, it's a way of life and one they can have new LED TV's courtesy of No Money Pepe' who held back the agreed wage increases of the teachers nationwide for two years to initiate this risible solution for the 'poor'.
I already help by bringing on youngsters who are entering or in university and no one had to force me.
No fees, not even for first class airfares. The money you waste on that could keep the stinking poor for a week on it's own.
It's so refreshing to be lectured to by a middle aged (coming up) feminist who has been such a success (NOT).
@24 There are no stinking poor. Stop being such a jerk. You happened to stand by some people of questionable hygiene, that doesn't mean all poor stink. What a terrible old man you are.
Aug 28th, 2016 - 05:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Having a T.V. is some kind of sin? Why shouldn't they have T.V.'s? What business is it of your's how the government of Uruguay takes care of the disadvantaged? Why did you ever move there if you find it so terrible in Uruguay that all you do is complain about it?
Hundreds of thousands of people travel Business or First Class. Why do you covet it so much? Were you really such a failure in business that you can't afford anything other than economy in your old age? Gosh, you were not so successful were you.
I will keep mentioning my luxury lifestyle just to wind you up.
@ 25
Aug 29th, 2016 - 10:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0“There are no stinking poor.”
Denial, despite FACTS to the contrary. Oh, I forgot, you can make your mind up despite everybody else being in the opposite camp.
You still don't get it do you about The Broad Fraud paying money to the stinking poor: are turkeys EVER going to vote this hotch potch of illiterate, innumerate arseholes out of office?
So somebody in government gave you the money to feed your family (in the unlikely event you have children of your own) but you spent it on a new TV and all the kids had to go round begging as usual; is that what you did? Of course not, but you think that is OK for some wasters to do it?
The ONLY problem in UYU as far as it affects us and my friends is the stupidity of The Broad Fraud, I love the country but you wouldn't know anything about that as you have never been here.
So you want to be in the 100's of 1,000's who travel first class. But you don't spend your own money to do that, do you? In with the likes of the Kardashians, the drug taking 'musicians', et al. I spent my own money because I owned the companies I had (and provided work for well-qualified people) and my only experience of first class (BA of course) convinced me I was wasting my money, business class was ample. But then, you have never taken the risk of being self-employed and most certainly never risked the livelihoods of employees, have you? When you have I will listen to how 'successful' you are.
“I will keep mentioning my luxury lifestyle just to wind you up.”
Please, please do that!
I will keep reminding you that you are only an employee and your only risk is that of losing your job. You have no other responsibility and will never have what it takes to risk being a real success: making successful employment for others: no chance of stinking poor when people worked for me.
You are a dumb female and a disgrace to women with these prissy attitudes you have.
@26 Oooh, blood pressure going up nicely in a nasty old man. I will turn the screw a bit more.
Aug 29th, 2016 - 11:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0I am not employed by anyone. That rather spoils your rant, doesn't it?
You still cannot see how nasty your comments are. There is no 'stinking poor'. Poor people are not all smelly, as you like to imply. As I told you before, questionable hygiene crosses the boundaries of the monetary classes.
Seriously, you were not that successful as you could only afford to retire in a developing country. My gardener can afford to retire in England.
I have a lot to be grateful for in life. One being that you will never again pollute the beautiful country I call home.
THE DILEMMA OF A CLUMSY RELATE, AND THE DULNESS OF THE HEGEMONICAL ADICT PRESS.
Aug 29th, 2016 - 03:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We often hear that the president says that Argentina neather grows, nor creates jobs since 5 years ago, however the new indec, under the administration of Jorge Todesca, designed by Macri, published that last year, the country grew 2,2%, and it also said that in most of the previous years, there were growths, except in 2009 and in 2014, beside, something simillar happens with the creation of jobs, the numbers published by sipa (argentine previsional integral system), showed that the cretation of jobs in the private sector, doubled the ones created in the public one, and since 2010 untill 2015, between both created over 600000 jobs . Anyway, even in case what Macri says was true, all what his policies provoked, was a hard deterioration of the social situation, this article omits that unemployment rate climbed from 6.6% in june of 2015, untill 9,3% in june of this year.
On the other hand, what the hegemonical adict press that protects Macri hasn't since yet, is that although they insist with their accusation against the former president, especially when some soposed independent journalists repeat once and again that C. F. K. was a thief who was surrounded by a big group of corrupts, because even though they convence a relative majority in this society about it, if the social situation doens't improve, there won't by any mediatic operation that saves Macri from collapse.
Anyway, in some way it's true that he had no alternative than making a hard cut on the national budget, because if the government reduces the incomes that the nation receives , as it did with taxes to the agrarian producers, and to the mining sector, it's pretty obvious that the state won't be able to keep on giving our citizens, the same services it used to give, but it shows clearly what social sectors are being benefited for the policies of the new administration.
#28 axel
Aug 29th, 2016 - 05:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Correct. The government-friendly media, headed by the Clarin group, keeps busy at coming out with daily stories about CFK or CFK government-related former officials alleged corruption.
They, however, are increasingly desperate as the effectivity of those daily claims begins to wear off.
Indeed, after procedures--abundantly covered by Clarin et al--such as search warrants with excavators turned out nothing, the public's attention is turning to the daily effects suffered as a consequences of the economic measures of the new government.
On the same front, an investigation on president Macri's offshore activities has yielded interesting information.
In effect, contrary to what he declared after Panama Papers revelations, Macri did appear to move $9.3 million between layered companies in Brazil and Bahamas.
Vice-president Michetti, meanwhile, is at pains to explain the origin of bags of money stolen by police custody from her appartment some nine months ago.
So little time! So much to do! (Jeremy--Yellow Submarine).
28, 29, Axel et al.
Aug 29th, 2016 - 07:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Of course that the current “index” will report growth during those years because that is pretty much what really happened.
However, what is the reason of that growth? You will find that it was mostly due to the big boost from rising commodity prices in the early 2000s. I was not at all due to some magical spell cast by Nestor or Cristina.
Now, both of you just keep on arguing that the local media acts like a piece of armour for the current administration. I'd agree with you on this one.
Is the current government worthier of trust than the previous ones? Have we vanquished all the corrupt demons and replaced them by angels and saints sent right from heaven?
Of course not, silly!
Leaches have no flag. Rats will sneak anywhere just to save their a$$es. These rats will swear they were never “K”. Of course they will. The system self-protects. This is the real problem and not pathetic Maximo asking more effort from “K” followers.
I am surprised that only 750,000 no value jobs have been created. It is probably 3 times that.
And this is nothing that I have read in Clarin or La Nación, so please don´t even try to scare me away with that “You are part of the Corpo you cynical neocon!!” kind of rethoric.
Just talk to people. Ponder the numbers. Ask more questions to people. Keep your ears clean and your eyes wide open. It is that simple boys.
#30 Tarquin
Aug 30th, 2016 - 05:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0”You will find that (growth during the Kirchner years) was mostly due to the big boost from rising commodity prices in the early 2000s...not at all due to some magical spell cast by Nestor or Cristina.”
Granted: commodity prices increased, and the government of Nestor Kirchner made the good choices to make Argentines profit of the bonanza.
Now, Mauricio Macri would be able to spoil the party even during an international booming economy like that of the early 2000s.
No government in Argentine history has inflicted so much damage to the Argentine economy in so little time as Macri. Not Videla, not Menem, not De La Rua. Just Macri.
@31 Hi Enrique,
Aug 30th, 2016 - 02:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don't get me wrong. I'm not crazy about Macri either, but I guess we'll just have to wait and see.
Actually what Nestor did was just tailgating. The right choices were done in 2002 during the temporary Duhalde administration. The right choice was a 40% devaluation and defaulting.
This let Argentina take advantage of the sacred soy beans. However, real investment never happened. The right choice during 2003 - 2007 would have been for the state to invest that money in advancing infrastructure and services. None of that happened. It was all a bluff. Wasted in pseudo-initiatives that only benefitted friends and friends of friends.
I'm not saying things are any different with Macri in power. The only difference I'm certain about is that all that surplus from the agricultural bonanza is gone and we still have to make the minimum payments if we ever want to have investment money again.
#32 Tarquin
Aug 30th, 2016 - 05:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I agree with your first line. Time will tell.
On your assessment of the Nestor government, I beg to differ--not saying the decade was perfect, but was a fundamentally different government from what we were used to.
Macri's economic policies have been tried several times in Argentina--always with the same results--results that are only beginning to surface. That is why electors always come back to vote Peronist.
That being said, I still have some hopes for the current administration to turn things around prior to the 2017 legislative election--doing otherwise would be political suicide. So let's see what happens in that crucial year.
@ 27 Mother Teresa
Aug 30th, 2016 - 06:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is pointless responding to you (see 4). Against my better judgement (“You ARE referring to my post at 2 I take it?”) I replied, only to get the usual failure to reply to my statements in a reasonable manner but I was not surprised, you are a liar after all.
As for all the other nonsense you deflect with, that's par for the course.
I don't blame you, you cannot be trusted with the truth even if you know it when it differs from your opinion of something you know nothing about. Try visiting Uruguay and seeing for yourself.
No, I blame myself for trusting you to be reasonable when you ask questions. Never again.
“I am not employed by anyone. That rather spoils your rant, doesn't it?”
Not really because it just comes over as yet another lie. If you come over like this during your business life you would be unemployable and certainly short lived in any consultancy position.
“One being that you will never again pollute the beautiful country I call home”
I wouldn't be too sure that I won't come back to the UK, as for pollution that is just another example of your pathetic character. Your mother would be so ashamed if she read the posts you put on here, only to the males though isn't it?
Don't bother replying, I am sick and fed up of reading your lies.
@34 If you don't want me to reply, don't address posts to me. It really is that simple.
Aug 30th, 2016 - 06:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“I blame myself” You should. You are a nasty, bitter old failure.
You are eaten up by jealousy at my successful career and could only dream of the life I have. You are always fishing for information but you won't get it.
“only to the males though isn't it” No, not true.
You can afford to live in England anymore and for that I am grateful.
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