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Senior advisors propose a post-Brexit Britain “continental partnership” with EU
A senior German lawmaker, an adviser to the French prime minister and a former deputy head of the Bank of England have proposed that a post-Brexit Britain form a new “continental partnership” with the EU. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rules“five experts argue that Britain be given a say in the affairs of a more closely integrated European Union in return for contributing to shared security and budgets as well as accepting a degree of easy immigration for European workers.”
Sep 05th, 2016 - 12:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The 14% immediate reduction in the coffers of the EU when the UK exits has no doubt driven this ridiculous 'paper'.
Rearrange to find the well known phrase:
Off, fuck!
This is a very positive way forward. We need to trade with the EU and any way of fostering a good working relationship from outside the EU can only benefit the UK.
Sep 05th, 2016 - 02:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I always said the split would be pragmatic.
Sep 05th, 2016 - 03:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The threats before the vote are slowly being forgotten and new ideas are starting to be offered.
3-Skip- Totally agree. Both need each other in several ways.UK needs free financial movement to avoid loosing London as financial centre with direct loss of
Sep 05th, 2016 - 05:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0several 100,000 jobs around the country, 100s of millions in income each month plus loss of banks in Uk for businesses to access for capital etc. And Free Trade.
Also -and some may not like it- UK does need some free movement immigration regardless- otherwise a lot of agriculture and horticulture for two will grind to a halt as many eastern Europeans do jobs on farms etc that those who live in UK simply will not and would not do because it involves graft and a bit of mud and cold at times.
Europe also wants free access to the UK market for all its products that it needs to sell.
Other countries like China/Japan etc like UK to have free market access to Europe so they can invest in UK and build factories here in a steady reliable politically and economically safe country, to sell those products into Europe- providing many 100s thousands jobs in UK.
So it will be tough and interesting negotiations but both sides will end up giving a bit and coming up with a fair result.
@2. We don't NEED to trade with the EU. To prove that, I invite you to consider doing some arithmetic. There are 206 countries in the world. 179 of them are NOT in the EU. And while you're doing that arithmetic, how many non-EU countries have already indicated wishes for trade agreements with the UK? One final thing, have you read the Harmonised System Tariff recently? What percentage of tariff rates are already 0%.
Sep 05th, 2016 - 05:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@3. Nothing is being forgotten. I can think of a number of things immediately. No freedom of movement. Entry to the UK only if you're wanted. No EU rules. WE may have rules that mirror those of the EU, but there must be NO rules that the EU forces on the UK. And if we don't get a say, the EU gets no money. Not a penny!
@5 But what reason is there to NOT trade with the EU? We can trade with other countries too. Other than blind prejudice I see no reason to cut out a large market.
Sep 05th, 2016 - 06:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 5 Conqueror
Sep 05th, 2016 - 06:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Watch your step, EB has misread your post, a deliberate act of course.
You are correct, the UK has no need to trade with the EU unless the terms are beneficial, there are plenty more countries lined up without the fiscal and political hang-ups attendant with the EU.
@ 5
Try READING and UNDERSTANDING what the post says before bringing out the usual “Other than blind prejudice” crap.
It's always you that starts the vitriol, isn't it?
@5 Conqueror
Sep 05th, 2016 - 07:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In trading size matters and distance matters. The EU collectively is the largest economy in the world. We're not going to get rich trading with Ghana. Also the UK currently exports more to Ireland than to India or Australia, because it's right next door.
Of course the UK could survive without trading with the EU, but we'd all be a lot worse off. You know we use trade sanctions to hurt other countries' economies. Why would you want to do that to yourself?
@1 ChrisR
Are you objecting to the UK paying into the EU in order to have access to the single market? You think it should be allowed to free-ride and take advantage of the other countries?
Or do you agree with Conqueror that the we'd be better off without our main export market and financial services moneymaker?
We don't need the single market, or open borders,
Sep 05th, 2016 - 08:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the majority voted out, and out means out,
the British can sort out any problems later,
you lot can argue till you are blue in the face, the only people it really suits are the rich and powerful,
and big corporations ,
we are not leaving Europe, just the EU,,
all the experts were wrong,
out is out, get used to it, rather than allow the likes or may and in remoaners to water it down to suit themselves.
that's my opinion.
Agree with you, Briton.
Sep 05th, 2016 - 09:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Cutting the nose off to spite the face!
Sep 05th, 2016 - 09:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Doesn't just apply to EU but also the UK.
@9 Briton
Sep 05th, 2016 - 10:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“the British can sort out any problems later”
Or we could have the sense not to rush ahead blindly, creating unnecessary problems for ourselves.
“the only people it really suits are the rich and powerful,
and big corporations”
I agree, this is a big problem with free trade in general. Brexit won't improve matters though, it's more likely to make it worse.
“all the experts were wrong”
Really? All of them? Doesn't that seem a little unlikely to you? The government of Venezuela also believed they could rewrite the laws of economics; I hear their economy is really booming now.
As for getting used to it, no thank you. We have to leave the EU, but we can still fight for the best deal. Skip and Islander1 are right, we need to stay as in as possible while dealing with the biggest issues people had.
What is it about all the nearly deads being anti European...
Sep 06th, 2016 - 12:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0Your days are over...you have very little future...mind your own business about things that won't really be your concern...
Be content in your little world, behind the keyboard and nestle happily in your dotage...
Let those with a future have a decent relationship with the rest of Europe...
...and remember you are actually European...
Maybe your elders, who have more years of experience with human behavior than you, actually did pick a better future for you.
Sep 06th, 2016 - 12:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0Why should they shut up and let an arrogant, disrespectful boy call the shots? That'd be a disaster.
What if the older population told you to “mind your own business about things you don't really understand”? How would that sit with you?
Well, I am dead and we look forward to welcoming #13 down here. The fire is stoked up and his spit is ready and waiting. Ageist bigots get special treatment, and its not nice. We havent long to wait, bigmouths and deadbrains are not long term survivors
Sep 06th, 2016 - 06:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0@6. Elaine. The word you used was “need”. I merely pointed out that the UK has no “need” to do anything of the sort. As I recall the figures, trading with “the world”, as we used to, would give the UK a potential market of 6.5 billion consumers. As I read this proposal, it is an attempt by the EU to retain some sort of control over the UK. Think about it. Cameron went to Brussels to attempt to negotiate various reforms. The reforms he wanted were never really spelled out. But it seems obvious that he wanted restrictions on “free movement”. Now the EU is offering it in exchange for continued British money. Who has the upper hand?
Sep 06th, 2016 - 02:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@8. Can we get rich trading with Australia, Brazil, China, Ireland, India and the USA. To name just 6 countries that have expressed wishes to have bilateral trade agreements with the UK?
@11. Difficult to say as we don't yet know the “shape” of Brexit. Got a “special source” have you?
@13. Finally come out of your shell, have you? I so love how “the young” bang on about being denied their “right” to live, study or work inside the EU. Where does that “right” come from? What you have is the “right” to exist in a society subject to that society's rules and wishes. The “rights” referred to are the crumbs that the EU thought it could afford in order to create a following. My memory says that you've been identified as a member of a minority, Scotland, who fell for it. AS it happens, statistics say I still have 20-30 years ahead of me. Based on information coming out of Scotland, your tower block flat or your ramshackle house might collapse, with you inside, long before that. In addition, I understand that traffic killings, by the week, are consistently increasing. Will you last as long as I? Will you be supporting an independent Scotland? Try this bit of arithmetic. Statistics show that, at present, Scotland benefits to the extent of more than £8,000 per capita per annum provided by the UK. And you will replace that dosh, how?
@16 I just cannot see that cutting out a huge market would benefit the UK in any way. Many of our businesses currently trading rely on that trade so why not foster a good relationship with the EU? The majority has voted to leave the EU and there is no suggestion that anything other than a measured exit will occur. This interim time is ripe for negotiating the best deals for the UK.
Sep 06th, 2016 - 02:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The UK's wealth was built on trade. Trade should be our priority. But I also believe that trading partners needing each other is a great barrier to conflict.
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Sep 06th, 2016 - 06:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0My ramshackle villa has been stood since 1875, it's walls are one and a half feet thick...whinstone...
Then a 50mm air gap, followed by urethane foam, then airtech reflective bubble foil...plasterboard then plaster skimmed...
The roof has rafters and then inch thick sarking boards on top of that for extra strength, followed by breathable felt then slate...
Not like the crap felt on top of rafters in England...
I don't think it's going anywhere soon...
Weren't you just out of hospital....?
...Look after yourself...
@ 8 DemonTree
Sep 06th, 2016 - 07:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Free trade is free trade AGREED BETWEEN THE PARTIES.
In other words if the EU still want money off the UK to 'trade' with them, then the UK should load it back onto the EU.
I take it that you haven't seen the approach made by MB, BMW and VW to the auto industry reps? They are shit scared that they are going to lose their second largest market for their Euro-manufacturing after Germany and want a 'gentlemen's' agreement that their dealers will do everything they can to keep selling. Of course they will do that, they have millions of GBP bound up in their businesses. The real problem is will people buy these already overpriced cars if the EU do not play fair?
Why should there be any tariff on the UK when other ASIAN countries have negotiated zero tariffs and have been doing so for ten years? Is Brexit now to be behind these countries?
“the UK currently exports more to Ireland than to India or Australia, because it's right next door.”
That is abject nonsense. Ireland relies as much on us as we do on them and the cost of container transport to India is probably as cheap as sending an 18 tonne lorry to south Ireland (I was in the business for seven years) and the same for Australia.
As far as being worried that the EU will penalize the UK it seems very much that the countries of the EU WANT trade with the UK to continue.
I am NOT against trade with the EU but it must be on fair terms with the only migrants being the ones that the UK can use and not pandering to Merkel and the rest to take unqualified economic immigrants just because we 'need' the trade when we may not because the trading countries will tell the Eurocrats where to go.
Merkel is finished and will not now get her fourth term because of her stupid decisions with letting the immigrants have unfettered access to the EU. Other countries are considering getting out of Schengen to stop this nonsense dead.
The UK is NOT in Schengen so why are we being made to take these immigrants?
all the experts were wrong”
Sep 06th, 2016 - 07:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Really? All of them? Doesn't that seem a little unlikely to you?
.................
depends on the experts,
yesterday in the commons, live on TV the following was stated,
Michael Gove stated said of the IMF boss, Christine lagarde, that she and her so called advice had been left with oeuf on her face , he stated, does this mean 17 million people know a darn sight more about economics than the so called experts,
David Davis said much of the doom and gloom of the remainders has been proven untrue and wrong
Give us time, we have only had two months and the government have not even started article 50 yet,
the EU has had 40 plus years and screwed it up for the most part,
what is needed is confidence in the British people to drive their own destiny,
the British can do it, with a little help,
have confidence my friends, have confidence.
Conqus, go easy on Voicy he's feeling a bit sorry for himself. First of all Wonder Woman is in charge threatening to join up with both the Loony Corbyn Left AND tbe Greens lead by Caroline Useless. This means 50% tax and penury for back bedroom Scotch Architectural technicians designing Mrs MacTavishes kitchen extension on Autocrap. Added to that tbe Coffin Dodgers have voted to get us out of the EU thus cutting Scottish subsidies to the bone. St Theresa will be there until at least 2025 giving plenty of time for a much needed review of the Barnet Formula. A black future haunts Dunoon …
Sep 06th, 2016 - 07:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 019
Sep 06th, 2016 - 10:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't know what business you were in...but I can tell you the coat of a 40 foot container shipped from India would be similar to one shipped from China to the UK...$2000....
I know from experience...and yeah they like dollars..
I'm sure it doesn't cost that for a lorry on the ferry to Ireland...
“The UK is NOT in Schengen so why are we being made to take these immigrants?”
What's with the “We”...you are an Expat...what immigrants have you been taking...that would be none...
@19 ChrisR, @16 Conqueror
Sep 07th, 2016 - 12:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0The EU single market is a lot more than a free trade agreement, and for that reason won't be easily replaced. The question isn't whether we need to trade with the EU, it's what kind of relationship with it is best for Britain, which can't be answered simplistically by counting up the other countries in the world.
At least in the short term, there is no doubt that staying in the single market would be the best option. It will take time to sign new trade deals, and for businesses to adapt to the new possibilities. Those countries that have zero tariffs spent time negotiating and made compromises to get them, something the UK would have to do too.
Also it would be far better for the government not to have a very short deadline when negotiating new agreements, since we want them to get the best possible deal.
The terms suggested sound pretty fair to me. The UK was already getting a better deal out of the EU than plenty of other countries.
And it's a fact that Britain exports more to Ireland than India. Why do you think this is if not because it's closer?
“The UK is NOT in Schengen so why are we being made to take these immigrants?”
I'm surprised you're so against immigration as you're an immigrant yourself. But which immigrants do you mean? If you mean EU workers, it's freedom of movement, nothing to do with Schengen. If you mean Syrian refugees etc, we're not being made to take any.
@20 Briton
It wasn't just the IMF saying Brexit was a bad idea, it was almost every economist, all the UK's allies, anyone who might be expected to actually know about it. I think we all know how trustworthy Gove is after the Tory leadership election anyway.
And nothing the 'remainders' say can be proven wrong when we haven't even left the EU yet.
I'd have more confidence if the government had an actual plan. So far all they have told us is what they are not going to do.
@ 23 DemonTree
Sep 07th, 2016 - 11:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0Just a couple of points:
“Those countries that have zero tariffs spent time negotiating and made compromises to get them, something the UK would have to do too.”
They didn't form the second largest luxury car market for MB, BMW and VW though did they? MB and BMW are already pricey for what they are, given their mediocre reliability and one thing you soon learn in the car trade is that ALL cars, no matter what you pay for them have problems. An old, but some say true, adage in the trade is: if it's got tits or tyres it's trouble. :o)
“I'm surprised you're so against immigration as you're an immigrant yourself. But which immigrants do you mean?”
I thought I had made it clear with “unqualified economic immigrants”, the ones that have already passed through EU countries so are no longer 'at risk' but want to come to 'England' for the handouts and child benefit which is paid directly to their own country, these are not an asset but a fiscal drag.
I am most grateful to the citizens of Uruguay who have made us both welcome and in return I have put almost all our investment money into the government schemes AND of course I pay my taxes, which when compared to the locals, are very considerable.
Contrast that with the immigrants from the old Eastern Block and then look at the police reports for the areas they infest and they hardly meet the “with the only migrants being the ones that the UK can use” from my post, do they?
Doctors, nurses and industry professionals such as engineers, etc. are of course welcome (having passed an English exam).
Are you aware of the fact that white children, born in England of UK families that have generations of heritage can no longer apply for a passport by post? If they live in the N. Staffs area they have to travel to Derby for an individual assessment of their suitability which was conducted by an ASIAN immigrant whose English was unintelligible.
Does that sound like the country we all grew up in? Not to me.
I'd have more confidence if the government had an actual plan,
Sep 07th, 2016 - 12:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think the government does have a plan, but the prime minister cannot implement it, lol
May I think is delaying things for her own reasons, everybody wants her to do this or that , Now,
it will take time to remove our selves, but remove ourselves we will,
As for the single market, It is my understanding [ and I could well be wrong ]
but there seems to be two ways of operation,?
A member of the single market gives comes with strings, free movement of people, amongst them,
apparently you can have Free access to the free market as an outsider under WTO rules through EFTA, I Believe ,
I think the Government should use the single market along side other countries that are not members of the EU,
you did quote how much we trade with the EU by mentioning the rep or Ireland,
may I say that this particular trade has been ongoing for decades , but the actual trade we do with the EU, I think you will find that we actually trade more outside of the EU than we do inside,
and as pointed out in June by some, the48% that goes through Antwerp for example does not always remain in the EU, but travels through it to nations beyond the EU borders, but the EU counts all trade traveling through the EU as traded with thus,
that's what I understand it to be,
now I could well be wrong, so feel free to correct me if I am.
@24 Did you have to pass a Spanish exam before you could be an immigrant in Uruguay? Just out of interest.
Sep 07th, 2016 - 01:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Are you aware of the fact that white children, born in England of UK families that have generations of heritage can no longer apply for a passport by post? If they live in the N. Staffs area they have to travel to Derby for an individual assessment of their suitability which was conducted by an ASIAN immigrant whose English was unintelligible.
Does that sound like the country we all grew up in? Not to me.”
Yes, it sounds like the wonderful multi-cultural country I live in and love. You are just too old to fit in, that's all. The world evolved and you remain a dinosaur.
@24 ChrisR
Sep 07th, 2016 - 07:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“if it's got tits or tyres it's trouble”
How charmingly sexist. In any case, I'm sure the German car companies are in favour of free trade with the UK. They're not running Germany though, much less the EU. All the countries involved will have their own interests and different agendas.
You seem to be mixing up two different groups of immigrants. The migrants from outside Europe who have passed through other EU countries cannot enter or work in the UK legally, that's why they are camped out at Calais sneaking into lorries. The EU law says they must register in the first country they enter, but they aren't following the laws.
Then there are immigrants from mostly Eastern Europe who come to work in the UK, and are able to claim child benefit for their children living in other countries.
Unlike you, I live in an area 'infested' by these immigrants, and they seem pretty unobjectionable to me. I haven't noticed a rise in crime, although there is certainly a rise in Polish Shops and Baltic Stores.
I agree they are not migrants the UK *needs*, as most have no special skills; though that doesn’t mean locals are always willing or available to do their jobs. But free movement of people is part of the single market. The point is to allow people to move where the jobs are, which is as important as free movement of goods, services and capital.
As for the citizens of Uruguay, I’ve seen you call a large number of them the ‘stinking poor’, and claim that the elected government should be shot. That doesn’t seem particularly grateful to me.
@25 Briton
I've run out of space in this comment(!), I'll have to reply to you later.
@27 Please go on…..
Sep 07th, 2016 - 08:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks ElaineB :)
Sep 07th, 2016 - 09:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@25 Briton
You are wrong about EFTA. Countries in EFTA have access to the single market, but they have to follow EU rules on their products, allow freedom of movement, and also pay into the EU budget. All things the Leave voters would very much object to.
The deal mentioned in the article would at least limit freedom of movement which was one of the biggest issues in the referendum. It would presumably also allow us to sign trade deals with other countries, which is necessary if we’re going to get any good out of this mess.
It also mentioned the remaining countries becoming more integrated, which is really essential if they are going to keep the Euro. Currency union without fiscal union was always doomed to fail.
Now, it’s true we export slightly more to countries outside the EU than those inside, but we still don’t want to destroy 44% of our trade. And the ONS has estimated about 2% of that may have a final destination outside the EU, so it’s not that significant a difference.
May is delaying things because firstly no one can agree on what to do, and secondly the government is not at all ready for this. They are frantically trying to recruit 300 negotiators and trade specialists. Everyone in government assumed people would vote to stay, so no plans were made at all. It would really be funny if it wasn’t so serious.
@ 26
Sep 08th, 2016 - 11:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0I have already stated that I passed my Driving Test Theory in Spanish first time with a 93% pass rate. I also stated I had passed my practical exam first time.
What did you respond? You called me a liar. How nice of you and absolutely true to form.
“Just out of interest.”
To my everlasting shame and despite my concerns about you, I believed that the last time you posted it and look where it got me. Accusations of the usual nonsense and full of lies you made up about me. It's getting a bit repetitive to the point that you are boring.
There is a saying, going back to the Chin, that suits this situation and you precisely: “Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me.”
So no, I am not responding. Anybody with half-a-brain will be able to guess the answer, but heh, sorry you are left out.
@ 27 DT
“if it's got tits or tyres it's trouble” How charmingly sexist.
I thought you were a man of the world and lived in the UK? Are you claiming I am sexist or the saying is sexist?
The saying is, to the most part, true or have you never had trouble with the female sex?
Do you drive a motor vehicle? If you do, even a new one, you will have had, or will have, trouble with it.
It's a semi-joke in the motor trade, no need to get upset about it.
@30 ChrisR
Sep 08th, 2016 - 12:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm not upset and there's no need to try to justify yourself. I don't approve of any kind of 'ism', but I'm not interested in fighting about it.
Perhaps we could get back on topic? I'd be interested to see your reply to my actual points about the EU above.
I'd also like to know if you had to take a Spanish test to settle in Uruguay. You say you learned Spanish anyway, which makes sense, but was it required in any way?
@30 “I have already stated that I passed my Driving Test Theory in Spanish first time with a 93% pass rate. I also stated I had passed my practical exam first time.”
Sep 08th, 2016 - 01:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You passed that test recently, six years after you became an immigrant in Uruguay. I asked you if you passed a Spanish language test before you were allowed into the country.
I remember you boasting about passing a test that most of us passed at 17.
“a man of the world” Men of the world do not make sexist remarks (it isn't a joke). If they are 'of the world' they tend to be more intelligent than that. You are a sexist bigot with an abnormal love of killing people.
@ElaineB & ChrisR
Sep 08th, 2016 - 04:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Please could the two of you not turn this into another war of words? Either one of you could stop this by not replying to the provocation, and it makes the insulter look bad much more than the one being insulted.
@33 You are new? You don't know the history of my online stalker and all-round disgusting attacker. I have had to have one of his more disgusting posts removed recently and the editor was most pleased to have it pointed out.
Sep 08th, 2016 - 04:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have ignored ChrisR in the past but he just insults me in threads I am not even contributing to and I have a right of reply. I respectfully suggest you scroll over posts you don't care for. I do with some other contributors that I find objectionable or boring - the ones that don't involve me.
Be careful about admonishing ChrisR he usually threatens to shoot people that do that.
@ 33 DT
Sep 08th, 2016 - 06:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I will take your advice and, if I may, I will give you one: take nothing that female claims for being the truth, she doesn't know the meaning of the word.
@35 There you go again. You are the proven liar. Now try posting without referring to me.
Sep 08th, 2016 - 06:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well folks,
Sep 08th, 2016 - 06:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the future is now what we make it, good or bad its our future,
just wish some , like clegg and Tim farrow and the likes just accept the will of the majority and get on with it,
Mind you letting Guy Verhofstadt be part of the negotiation's may well speed it up a great deal.
so they say.
@ChrisR
Sep 08th, 2016 - 09:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So, did you have to pass a Spanish test to move to Uruguay? And is there a citizenship test if you want to become a citizen?
What do you think makes a good immigrant anyway? Having money? That seems to be the main different between you in Uruguay and the Poles etc living here. And what about my neighbour who runs his own business? Is he stealing jobs or creating jobs?
@37 Briton
The BBC says he doesn't want to split up the '4 freedoms' which sounds like no single market for us. Definitely bad news for the economy. But he might be good for the remaining EU as he's in favour of a banking union.
@ 38 DT
Sep 09th, 2016 - 11:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0There is nothing wrong with the Poles, they readily admit that without the British in WW”, who they fought on the side of, things would have been much worse.
So, you want to live in Uruguay? There are many tests before you can become legally resident but it is clear that you are so new on here that you have no idea what has happened with us (my wife and me) in the last 5+ years.
One of the things I really enjoy is my help and assistance to the young people here who actually DO work at getting a career despite the lamentable standard of the 'professors' in the local universities. It started with the daughter of my Escribana who was struggling with understanding the basic concept of databases and it went from there.
I advise on electrical, mechanical and production engineering. Explain things within Excel that have been missed or just not known by their teachers and generally help them understand the west.
I am really looking forward to next year, I have a young man who has already been to the UK for six months and wants to graduate as an engineer, the first time I have had one from Year 1, I usually have to cope with a number of problems before we make progress. They all must have good English (or Americano) skills, jibber-jabber doesn't work very well in programming.
“And what about my neighbour who runs his own business? Is he stealing jobs or creating jobs?”
That definition of your 'neighbour' does not give me any basis to reach a decision and I am surprised that you even floated it.
Dear Anglos, when is the date for the vote on “Earthxit”?
Sep 09th, 2016 - 11:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0I am wholeheartedly on the Leave side of this referendum. T There are 3,410,299,713,005 star systems waiting to sign free trade deal with you!
And you will return to one of them in the next 25 years.
Sep 09th, 2016 - 12:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@39 ChrisR
Sep 09th, 2016 - 11:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If there's nothing wrong with the Poles then who are the immigrants from the former Eastern Block who 'infest' areas of Britain? That word really suggests you think there's something wrong with them...
It's nice that you are able to help students in Uruguay, though judging by our latest recruits at work, schools in the UK are not teaching too many Excel skills either. Do you call it jibber-jabber to the Uruguayans by the way? Anyway, I would have though you could program in any language, although obviously you'd have to learn the keywords in English.
And I guess that means you don't have to take a Spanish test to move to Uruguay. :)
@40 CapiTroll
Forget Earthxit, what we should be doing is building colonies in orbit and on Mars. I really hope that SpaceX can succeed, as it seems governments are never going to do the job.
@41 Briton
Haha, you think he's an alien? I like it.
But you can't claim Mars, so I doubt the British would thus be interested in land they can't legally claim as theirs.
Sep 09th, 2016 - 11:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@43 Capi
Sep 10th, 2016 - 12:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0The point is to get off this planet before we cause our own extinction, and get started on exploring the galaxy. Also we were supposed be going on holidays on the moon by now; if you had a dome filled with air on the moon you could strap on wings and fly, if you went swimming you could jump right out of the pool like a dolphin. It would be so awesome.
Plus we've hardly explored Mars at all and there still could be life there, or on Europa. It's a big question if there is other life in the Universe or not.
@44 DemonTree,
Sep 10th, 2016 - 09:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0l believe that the Universe is teeming with life.
Did you see the pictures taken by the Hubble Telescope?
Untold billions of stars.
Many of those stars will have planets revolving around them.
lt is inconceivable that out of those billions of planets, that we have the only one with life.
Anyway, & l care not who laughs or mocks, l have seen 2 UFOs on separate occasions.
Just me, I
But you can't claim Mars, so I doubt the British would thus be interested in land they can't legally claim as theirs.
Sep 10th, 2016 - 09:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0if and when Britain builds its very own star ships,
and galaxy space stations , and thus explores the known universe, we may yet be interested in the Red planet , if only to see the red crying faces of argies who could not claim it,..lol
@45 Isolde
Sep 10th, 2016 - 11:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0I really hope you are right. It will be a much more interesting universe if it's full of life, especially as there could be creatures really different to life on earth in ways we haven't even imagined. Plus it would surely be much easier and more pleasant to live on a planet that already had life rather than a bare dead world.
I kind of hope aliens don't find us though. If they can get here at all they must be much more advanced than we are and I don't think it would go well for us.
@46 Briton
Sadly Britain isn't likely to be building any star ships since the government doesn't invest in manned spaceflight. But Capi obviously hasn't read enough science fiction. Colonies on the moon or Mars always end up declaring independence and forming a new country. Then, provided you treated your colonists well, you now have a nice ally up there. :)
@ 42 DemonTree
Sep 10th, 2016 - 12:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Anyway, I would have though you could program in any language, although obviously you'd have to learn the keywords in English.”
1) The keyboards used in Uruguay are Spanish and have significant differences to a UK one, that alone is a bit of a problem;
2) Perhaps you are overlooking or did not realise that the majority of major companies in Uruguay are American owned and their systems are 'Americano' using American layout keyboards, another problem;
3) Experian have a DPU in MVD which is a satellite of the US, they use Americano Unix, one of my students was in fact a 'programmer' which in reality meant he set the attributes for local requirements. His wife is an operator at the same place and they eventually want to move to the US to live.
UYU 'Spanish' is not close to the Castilian Spanish that I struggled to learn for 15 months before we actually moved in country. Many of my students love English because it is 'so easy' to get the point over unlike Jibber-jabber. Again, you may not know that there are 12,292 OFFICIAL verbs used in Castilian Spanish and many more than that in Uruguay.
I coined a phrase that my Spanish teacher (she is UYU) agrees with;
”Spanish / Espanol: why use eight English words to describe an idea perfectly when 50 Espanol ones won't! © ChrisR 2014.
Why are you so determined NOT to understand the serious point I was making about the UK passport fiasco? The applicants were from generations of English and spoke the language properly. They were interrogated by an Asian immigrant who could not speak the language properly BUT WAS AN EMPLOYEE OF THE UK GOVERNMENT AGENCY. Contrast that with UYU where the Immigration 'Policia' (all the office staff are 'police') spoke UYU Jibber-jabber fluently and I was the one floundering, obviously, having 'learnt Castillian' (or so I thought).
So what were you trying to do by emulating 'she whose name must not be uttered'? Making trouble? I really hope you are better than that.
@ 43 CapiTrollism_is_back
Sep 10th, 2016 - 12:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And why can’t we claim Mars, eh?
We can see it and we once crashed a satellite onto the surface.
Must be ours, we will add it to our vast S. Atlantic/Antarctic territories.
@48 “So what were you trying to do by emulating 'she whose name must not be uttered'? Making trouble? I really hope you are better than that.”
Sep 10th, 2016 - 02:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What was it? 24 hours before you had to refer to me again? You are obsessed.
Since you started it again, maybe DT thinks like every other intelligent and open-minded adult, that your language and views are abhorrent.
How do you know the Asian employee was an immigrant or a second or third generation British person? Either way they were employed, in the U.K. and had as much right to be there as your son and daughter-in-law. Why is being 'white' superior?
ChrisR & ElaineB
Sep 10th, 2016 - 03:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0People, as there seem little chance of you two getting a room anytime soon, how
about at least a ceasefire, even Syria might have one of those soon!!!!
Please???????
@51 Eeeeew. Creepy Chris?
Sep 10th, 2016 - 03:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I said if he stopped referring to me I would ignore him and he once again dragged me into it. Remember this started because I once dared to disagree with ChrisR over hand gun ownership. That was all. He launched into disgusting personal attacks and I WILL defend myself. When the creepy old bastard urged me to commit suicide he reached a new low. The man is an abhorrent racist and misogynist and someone should put him in his place. Why not man-up and do so, or do you support his racist comments?
If you can't hack it just don't read the posts. It is really easy to skim over them.
Oh well, it was worth a try.
Sep 10th, 2016 - 03:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@53 What you should be trying is to curb his racist comments.
Sep 10th, 2016 - 03:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 53 Pugol-H
Sep 10th, 2016 - 05:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have not posted to that awful female, I RESPONDED to another person who seemed to be riding me in response to you know who.
She just cannot help but lie on here hoping others will believe her.
After what this stupid, stupid person who claims to be a feminist wrote about my wife I shall never respond to her again except if she wants me to put her out her misery. That is something I would do for any animal with her problems.
@55 “So what were you trying to do by emulating 'she whose name must not be uttered'? Making trouble? I really hope you are better than that.” Is a direct reference to me. Not a lie.
Sep 10th, 2016 - 06:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How exactly would you 'put me out of my misery'? A clear death threat.
Folks, please stop this silly bickering.
Sep 10th, 2016 - 09:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0lts getting serious & it shouldn't be.
Maybe l have a thick skin(or thick face, as they say in the Philippines!), but after disagreeing with someone, l just ignore them after that.
l have enjoyed reading both people's comments, you both have valid points.
Why the need to fight on here?
Anyway l'll leave you all to it as its time for a vodka or two!
@57 The problem is he can't. I am probably the first women ever to pull him up on his revolting language and abhorrent views that have no place in this modern world let alone a public message board. You were there when it all started way back in the hand gun discussion and I remember you admonishing ChrisR for making it nasty and personal. He didn't listen to you or stop so I defended myself and gave as good as I get. He can dish it out but can't take it.
Sep 11th, 2016 - 10:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0If he adheres to the code posted: ”rude or foul language, discriminative comments (based on ethnicity, religion, gender, nationality, sexual orientation or the sort), spamming or any other offensive or inappropriate behaviour will not be tolerated.” I will happily ignore him.
@48 ChrisR
Sep 11th, 2016 - 11:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0I wrote keywords not keyboards, but I've always wondered why US and UK keyboards are different when we speak the same language. Just seems like a pointless annoyance when your keyboard somehow switches into American mode and doesn't type what you expect.
Do you know why Uruguay doesn't have more domestic companies? It doesn't seem ideal having everything done by US businesses.
And are Latin American and European Spanish more different than British and American English? With all the US TV we get here now, it's easy to forget how different they are really. It must have been frustrating for you though, having to relearn a lot of things after putting in all that effort.
I had no idea how many verbs there are in Spanish or English, but surely more verbs ought to make it easier to get the point across, even if they make the language harder to learn? People usually think the large vocabulary on English is a good thing after all.
I don't think I mentioned your 'passport fiasco', but I assume the government would not employ anyone who didn't have an adequate level of English. However it's true that some people have accents that make them very difficult to understand. Even some parts of the British Isles have rather impenetrable accents, depending on what you are used to hearing. I have colleagues at work from several different countries who can be hard to understand at times, though they are all very good at their jobs.
If by “emulating 'she whose name must not be uttered'” you mean asking about the Spanish test; I thought it was a good question and was interested to know the answer, and you seemed to be avoiding it (I can only assume because of who originally asked it).
@ 59 DemonTree
Sep 11th, 2016 - 12:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I know and understood what you wrote but it goes way beyond words or keyboards into the setup of MS software itself. Try using a UK KB with an American setup for Excel / Word and others: you get all sorts of problems that can really puzzle the uninitiated and some of the 'initiated' also. :o)
Uruguay, in common with many SA countries is still living in the past, particularly when it comes to 'working for the man' as the locals call it: working for a company owned by a single person or family.
The Marxist based 'government' here take every opportunity to tax businesses to the point where they barely survive and it's getting worse year by year due to The Broad Fraud believing that money appears when they want it.
I thought I would start a business providing quality motorcycle safety wear and actually had a nodding agreement to provide me with the goods from four UK manufacturers. I based the financial model on the data in the UYU govt 'Business help website' only to find out when I arrived to settle that the website was badly wrong. Instead of 50% tax at customs it was 100% PLUS 22% IVA (VAT) on top of everything plus mandated BPS ((pensions) payments whether or not the business made a profit plus the 'licensing fees' for operating business premises, etc. So I didn't bother.
The Asian immigrant was almost incomprehensible and therefor risking misunderstanding my friends needs, surely this has to be unacceptable? I like the Geordie accent myself. :o)
The bracketed part of your final paragraph is correct. She passed her test in English at the age of 17, so NO theory test prior to be allowed forward to the practical. In UYU you have to take the theory in Spanish (local version) from a knowledge base of 164 questions some of which change every week. You are allowed four goes then you are banned from ever obtaining a licence. The locals have NEVER passed it the first time and most take three goes.
I got a pat on my back for doing so at 93%.
@59 Yes, I was asking about a test for proficient Spanish prior to being allowed to live in Uruguay. I was not referring to driving tests and I am sure you were not either.
Sep 11th, 2016 - 01:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 61
Sep 11th, 2016 - 05:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Another lie:
“I remember you boasting about passing a test that most of us passed at 17.”
So you have NOT passed a theory test even in English, never mind one in UYU Spanish.
You are a despicable person writing what you did about my lovely wife.
Go tell your lies to somebody else.
Better still, go and see your doctor, you are clearly losing your mind and there was precious little of it to start with.
@62 You just can't keep away can you? Still stalking me. I told you, Isolde, the man is obsessed with me.
Sep 11th, 2016 - 05:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“So you have NOT passed a theory test even in English, never mind one in UYU Spanish.” I was talking about a driving test. Ask a responsible adult to explain it to you.
“You are a despicable person writing what you did about my lovely wife.” You brought your wife into the discussion. You painted her as a nasty person who spent her time with you laughing at me for defending women against your misogynist posts. YOU made her out to be a nasty, rough woman. No women on earth with any class would think your despicable and vulgar posts about women would be funny. So, maybe you should think before making your wife out to be a so revolting. YOU did that to her.
You are a proven liar. Everyone saw it when you completely lied about a post I made. You posted it in a different thread thinking people would not see the original but I made sure they did and I have the evidence.
And you still won't answer the question about having to be competent in the Spanish language before being allowed to settle permanently in Uruguay. You have been asked repeatedly but you won't answer because you didn't. And yet you think immigrants settling in the U.K. should. Why the different standards? And why should the rules be different for white people as you indicate in your post @24? Are you, or where you ever a member of the EDL? You seem to speak straight from their manifesto.
Keyboards,
Sep 11th, 2016 - 07:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am given to understand that the lay out of these things were based on the configuration of the Typewriter,
but I could be wrong,
As to space exploration, of course a dream of many a brit,
but you are right with our governments at the present and past, Britain may not go there,
but what do you people think the reason is for the government to build these space ports in Scotland and poss. Cornwall, and will they ever , or could be considered at a future starting point for the British space ?????
Just interested.
This is the 'BRexit' plan of the UK: https://twitter.com/HeatherWheeler/status/767756321219379201
Sep 12th, 2016 - 01:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0It is not possible to make this rubbish up.
Not if you have manipulated it.lol
Sep 12th, 2016 - 07:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well Hepatia, you seem to like it.
Sep 12th, 2016 - 11:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Slow day at the RG Dept of Lies & Disinformation, ay 'paty old girl.
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