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Argentina undergoing a values' change, says Macri; the time of messianic leaders is over
Argentine president Mauricio Macri said on Monday that the time of messianic leaders who hand to hand with lies denied reality is over, and pointed out that the country is undergoing a deep transformation, not only economic, but equally significant of values and success will be achieved if all Argentines understand this and put it into practice. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rules“the time of messianic leaders who hand in hand with lies denied reality, is over”
Sep 06th, 2016 - 05:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We can only hope so.
If true it would also mean that the time of brainwashed trolls who hand in hand with lies denied reality, is over.
...but since they deny reality I'm sure they'll still be around here to provide some entertainment value. ;-)
Well we can but hope. He needs to start by clipping the wings of the brainwashers in classrooms across Argentina.
Sep 06th, 2016 - 05:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Who is Macri trying to fool, besides himself?
Sep 06th, 2016 - 06:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Let's read again this paragraph, casually inserted on this one-source story that failed to give voice to Macri opponents.
“...a possible general strike sometime next month, following a huge 'federal march' in Buenos Aires to protest utilities rates hikes, prices and lack of jobs.”
Macri's statements are but a futile attempt to deflect attention from a rapidly sinking economy, the government's stinging defeat on the energy tariffs increases, and increasingly large street demonstrations against the current direction of the government.
The argument of the “heavy inheritance” (the only argument the government uses to justify the effects of its economic measures) can't work forever--it already rings awfully hollow.
@3 reekie: “the only argument..”
Sep 06th, 2016 - 07:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We have tried to educate you on these matters, reekie, but it doesn't seem to be doing any good.
But what the heck, let's try one more time.
1. As goes Brazil, so goes Argentina. Argentina relies on Brazil's economic success. Argentina is essentially a tiny pimple on the large arse of Brazil.
2. The rest of the Cono Sur is also in recession. Do you think Argentina is special?
3. Commodity prices are down. Do you think you should be paid more when prices are down? If so , you must have gone to school in peronist Argentina.
4. Argentine products are by and large not very competitive. That is another way of saying expensive and/or junk. Do you think you should be paid more for producing expensive junk? You're staying after school.
5. Nobody trusts Argentina and until there is a good reason to trust Argentina nobody in their right mind is going to invest here. Oh, wait... that is part of “the only argument....”
No good reason to trust rg.
Sep 06th, 2016 - 10:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0All rgs lie.
Come on, Chronic, if we stay THAT pessimistic, we will never get anywhere.
Sep 07th, 2016 - 12:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0Realistic, pragmatic.
Sep 07th, 2016 - 01:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0Nobel laureate, Mario Vargas Llosa: writing in 2010 about Kirchnerist Peronism and the need for Argentines generally to embrace failure:
Sep 07th, 2016 - 02:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0“The Argentines have chosen in the last half-century the worst political options. [...] Chosing Peronism means deliberately electing an error. Peronism is a party of the most aberrantly resentful types, bursting with hatred and knee-jerk grudges, a party of fascists who are sick with an inexplicable rage toward every good and decent thing that differs from their fanatically radical way of seeing the world. They are by and large bereft of culture and education, ignorant, the very cream of mediocrity! Peronism means stubbornly sticking to a mistake in a most sick and masochistic fashion, and embracing the catastrophes that have followed them throughout the history of modern Argentina. “
Original:
”Los argentinos eligieron a lo largo de medio siglo las peores opciones. [..] El peronismo es elegir el error, es el partido de los resentidos más aberrantes, llenos de odio, de rencores viscerales, fascistas, enfermos de rabia inexplicable hacia todo lo bueno que sea diferente a su manera radical y fanática de ver las cosas, son por lo general incultos, ignorantes, mediocres de mediocres! El peronismo es perseverar en el error a pesar de manera masoquista, enfermiza, en las catástrofes que se le han ido sucediendo en la historia moderna del país.”
#4 Marti: “4. Argentine products are by and large not very competitive. That is another way of saying expensive and/or junk. Do you think you should be paid more for producing expensive junk? You're staying after school.”You are absolutely right.
Sep 07th, 2016 - 11:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0The actual meaning of cheap is “poor quality”. And there are cheap products in abundance in this country. Unfortunately.
#8 Marti
Sep 08th, 2016 - 04:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Nobel laureate, Mario Vargas Llosa: writing in 2010 about Kirchnerist Peronism...”
Vargas Llosa started being a good writer and a progressive-thinking man who gradually shifted and ended up embracing neoliberalism.
Because of his background as writer, his backward ideas make Llosa the intellectual of choice for those looking for validation of neoliberal ideas or governments--so no surprisingly Marti brings about Vargas Llosa's venom for Peronism, trying to pass it as serious analysis.
And while Vargas Llosa's hypocrisie leds him to attack Peronism, he conveniently forgets to speak about the many interrumptions of democracy that are at the root of Argentina's woes.
Indeed; had the military stayed in their headquarters in September 1955, Peronism would have eventually faced the electors, and democracy would have kept its course.
Had the military also stayed in their headquarters in 1962, 1966 and 1976, a different story would have been written.
@10 “Vargas Llosa started being a good writer and a progressive-thinking man who gradually shifted and ended up embracing neoliberalism.”
Sep 08th, 2016 - 06:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So in your world, he started off being talented, intelligent and thoughtful but became some sort of idiot as soon as his opinions changed and became opposed to yours.
Another explanation is that he remained being talented, intelligent and thoughtful and changed his opinion on the basis of what he saw and read.
Changing your opinion in the face of new evidence is the logical, scientific approach. Sticking doggedly to the opinion you have been indoctrinated with despite any amount of evidence showing your thinking to be flawed is not the logical, scientific approach.
Given his track record, I am sure that Mario Vargas Llosa would change his opinion again if he feels he has to and I'd respect him for that. Have you ever changed your opinion on anything? Try it, you might enjoy the experience.
#11 Zaphod
Sep 08th, 2016 - 07:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Have you ever changed your opinion on anything? Try it, you might enjoy the experience.”
I will ignore your sarcastic remark and say this: I've lived long enough to know how much one can change with experiences.
Vargas Llosa can change as many times as he wants. But, unlike you, I don't respect him for choosing a direction I deplore. In my post #10, I called his current ideology “backward” and his attacks on Peronism “hypocrite,” which I reaffirm.
However, and coming back to the article we are commenting on:
”Macri (said) a deep transformation...of values and success will be achieved...“
Meanwhile, from today's Buenos Aires Herald: ”Negative statistics abound...industrial output fell 7.9 percent...while consumer sales are down 6.7 percent so far in 2016 (7.4 percent year-on-year).”
That probably is the deep transformatin Macri is talking about.
Mario Vargas Llosa used to spend a great deal of time in Buenos Aires and is intimately familiar with the grotesque shortcomings of Peronismo. There was a media story surrounding his leaving the city that reported that this was due to harassment by “intelectuales K” though this turned out to be a little shy of the truth since there are no “Kirchnerist intellectuals.” In fact the Kirchnerist-Stalinist government attempted to keep Mario from speaking in Argentina, in much the same way that Kirchnerism attempted to stifle dissent in many other ways. In fact, that is one thing that Mario has publicly observed about the new government in Argentina, that there is less antagonism towards the media and a greater acceptance of freer expression.
Sep 08th, 2016 - 07:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But no matter. You don't have to go far to find widespread concurrence with Mario Vargas Llosa's insightful indictment of Peronismo and the stain of Kirchnerism.
Some additional reading that will help in understanding the failures of Peronism and other perfect silliness here in South America
“Manual del perfecto idiota latinoamericano ”
available in English as
“Guide to the Perfect Latin American Idiot ” ISBN-13: 978-1568332369
At better bookstores.
Talking about harassment of those who are not complying with the official line:
Sep 09th, 2016 - 12:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thousands throughout Argentina have reacted against a paid advertisement published by La Nacion and Clarin asking for the destitution of judge Daniel Rafecas, who closed the file on the Nisman case.
This incredible attempt to domesticate the judicial power was supported by such characters as the Rural Society gathering the country's large landowners.
Justice for Nisman.
Sep 09th, 2016 - 01:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And justice for Cretins and the rest of her thieving scum.
@ 14 “asking for the destitution of judge Daniel Rafecas,....”
Sep 09th, 2016 - 04:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A judge everyone knows is corrupt and is an accomplice in subverting justice.
Reekie's support for preventing the investigation of the murder of Nisman and the terrorist bombing of the AMIA speaks volumes.
If you lived in Argentina you'd know that the judiciary is stuffed with partisan Peronistas whose role is to stifle prosecution of crimes committed by and for the previous government. And those who do attempt to conduct investigations of crimes, well, let's remind reekie of the indicted CFK and her attempts to recuse every judge who isn't on her payroll or stained with her idiotology.
@16 Marti
Sep 10th, 2016 - 01:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0Only a master of deceit could throw so much garbage in such a short space.
“A judge everyone knows is corrupt...”
Perhaps Marti will be able to come up with some evidence of Daniel Rafecas, a non-Kirchnerist and well respected judge, of being corrupt.
If Rafecas is known for something, it's for his professional conduct. Is his conduct that has attracted the hate of the Argentine establishment, bent on obtain the rulings they want--the law and the Constitution be damned.
“Reekie's support for preventing the investigation of the murder of Nisman...”
Murder? That is Marti's opinion only, since no evidence of murder was ever found. Of course, there are those who want to still make hay out of the death of the prosecutor.
“Reekie's support for preventing the investigation of...the terrorist bombing of the AMIA...”
Come on Marti. I fully support a true investigation of the AMIA bombing, an investigation that has been a long time delayed and sent to many dead ends. Nisman, in particular, did not advance an inch in 10 years he was in charge, with a large budget and substantial resources.
Rafecas has received the following recognitions:
“Human Rights” 2006 from the Foundation B'nai B'rith Argentina,
“Moisés 2011” from the Hebrew Society and,
“Gilbert Lewi” from the Foundation Museum of the Holocaust of Buenos Aires.
“An accomplice in subverting justice.” Give me a break.
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