MercoPress. South Atlantic News Agency
Argentina/UK joint statement is committed “to create value in the South Atlantic”, which is far larger than Falklands
Senate provisional president Federico Pinedo pointed out on Monday that Argentina did not sign any agreement or treaty with Britain referred to the Falkland/Malvinas Islands, but rather “a statement” for the “joint creation of value” in the South Atlantic in “all kinds of activities”. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesFantastic amount of backsliding by Argentina over the last couple of days. I see that Malcorra is now reinterpreting the Joint Statement as having sovereignty discussions as a central theme. LOL
Sep 20th, 2016 - 09:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0I thought sovereignty was “non-negotiable” :-)
“I don't like to have my passport stamped in Argentine territory”, although admitting that if he had to travel as part of a definitive solution to the sovereignty dispute, “
Sep 20th, 2016 - 09:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0Dear Federico Pinedo, the Falkland Islands have never legally belonged to Argentina so how can they possibly be Argentinean territory?
https://www.academia.edu/17799157/Falklands_-_Some_Relevant_International_Law
I think they have got their knickers in a twist over this one !
Sep 20th, 2016 - 09:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0Oh dear, now again we see them as the fools they are. They must think we are back in the 60s when no one had the internet and it took days for word to get out FOOLS
Sep 20th, 2016 - 11:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0Confusion confusion,
Sep 20th, 2016 - 01:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0no doubt someone will wade through it all, for the benefit of the conned.
It is a practical agreement to develop the area of the South Atlantic where Argentina as a border with the UK ' Oversea Territory and dependencies.
Sep 20th, 2016 - 01:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0All these problems are sensitive only because an illegal “de facto” military government of Argentina mixed internal catastrophe with external policy trying to export terror treacherously to a peaceful and disarmed community of shepherds and fishermen.
It is time that Argentina dealt with this worthless claim in the same way as it dealt with the worthless claim against the Chilean Islands which it also tried to obtain.
“London violated the oil accord only ten days after signing it”.
Sep 20th, 2016 - 02:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh really, how shocking. Who made up this 'fact', Brasso?
Are all Argentine politicos this stupid?
The childishness of the Argentines is ever on display, providing endless amusement.
Sep 20th, 2016 - 03:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Consider China. Peoples Republic of China. And Taiwan, which the PRC regard in much the same way that the argies think of the Falklands. And the US disagrees with the PRC pretensions, providing both the diplomatic and military bulwarks to keep the PRC from absorbing Taiwan in much the same way that Argentistan would like to colonise the Falklands.
But somehow this difference of opinion over a contested little territory does not prevent the US and the PRC from conducting trade valued at nearly US$600 billion a year, providing enormous mutual benefit.
Argentina could learn a few things from the Big Dogs.
Argentina could, in theory, join the world. But it will prefer to remain a hopeless, yauping, infantile, impoverished, underdeveloped tercermundista backwater instead (though the entertainment value in observing such self-destructive Argentine behaviour is absolutely priceless).
Why do we even bother trying to talk with them. No one seems to be in charge of anything in Argentina. They make a statement them backtrack on almost all the issues. Argies will be Argies. The last remark was for nostrils benefit. I can hear the google and WiKi sites overheating already as he desperately tries to find another race of 100 million that the Anglos destroyed.
Sep 20th, 2016 - 04:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0> “Personally I don't want to travel to the Islands so the English stamp my passport”
Sep 20th, 2016 - 05:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0When I went to the Falklands it was the democratically elected FIG that stamped my passport.
I doubt if the islanders would even miss him.
Sep 20th, 2016 - 06:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Pinedo's statement “ “I don't like to have my passport stamped in Argentine territory”,......”.... besides childishly presumptuous, is not exactly what one would expect to hear from someone on a diplomatic mission. While the Falkland's 'independence' is unnegotiable - other than in the very unlikely event that the islanders had a change of heart - his statement proves he is unfit to negotiate anything at all, relating to any other “kind of activity” between Argentine and the UK...
Sep 20th, 2016 - 07:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina is being prepared for an announcement that their Government is to accept UK sovereignty over the Falkland Islands and other South Atlantic territories. Given that the Argentine population has been conditioned over a number of years this process will take time but be in no doubt the process has started.
Sep 20th, 2016 - 09:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 13 I don't think the populacho here could handle such an announcement. Why, they go bananas at the mere thought of a Fernet shortage or paying for their electricity.
Sep 20th, 2016 - 09:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 013- Sadly that will never happen. But one day- a long way off yet though - we may see a future Arg Govt accepting Falklander Islander Sovereignty over the Falkland Islands.
Sep 21st, 2016 - 12:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hi:
Sep 21st, 2016 - 04:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0I just do not understand you people saying that Argentina has no rights to the Falklands. It is quite the opposite. The weakest claim to any territory is “Self-Determination.” The rights to any land from strongest to weakest are: historical rights, length of tenure, and self-determination. Great Britain’s claim to the Falklands changed through time. It went from historical rights, around the early 1900’s, to length of tenure, to finally self-determination around the middle 1960’s. Great Britain abandoned historical rights because it realized that Argentina had the historical rights to the Falklands.
Length of tenure is based in the principle that our inhabitants had been here for so long that we now have the rights to the islands. However, Great Britain realized that asserting those rights it was tantamount of exercising the rights of squatters. The tenure was not long enough in a disputed territory. Lastly England opted for self-determination, which is the weakest.
Let me give you a hypothetical and ridiculous example. What if Argentina, all in the sudden, laid claim to London? What would be Great Britain’s answer? No, London is ours because of self-determination? No, the answer would be more like: “Are you crazy? London has been part of present day England since the dawn of time even under the Romans and ever since. Get out of here and don’t waist our time with stupid claims.” In other words, “historical rights.” Why doesn’t Great Britain claim historical rights for the Falklands? It doesn’t because Argentina has the historical rights. More clear than that is impossible.
Why has the UN ruled time after time in favor of Argentina? Because we have the historical rights, otherwise the UN would not be botheredß with us. However, the UN has also ruled that the interests of the Kelpers should be taken into consideration. That is why the UN has asked for Argentina and Great Britain to negotiate an agreement. This is something the UK has refused to do.
Grea
@16 Hektor
Sep 21st, 2016 - 06:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0I wonder whose 'sock-puppet' you are.
Your argument would have more weight if it was actually based upon facts...and not fantasy.
But lets look at the respective sovereignty cases and see which is the most ridiculous.
Argentina's claims are:
1. A 6 week military occupation in late 1832 and very early 1833 (by the United Provinces - Argentina didn't even exist yet) which failed due to the troops committing mutiny, murdering their commanding, raping his wife etc...
2. Inheritance from Spain: which is impossible due to the fact that Spain had abandoned any claim to the Falklands by mid 1840 YET didn't recognise Argentina as an independent country until 1853.
3. Geographical proximity: which could never be allowed in international law because then every country in the world could theoretically 'claim' its neighbour causing numerous wars.
4. Continental shelf: which the UN has already stated that the Falkland Islands has its OWN continental shelf and is therefore not part of mainland South America.
5. Birds fly from Argentina to the Falklands!?!?
The British case:
1. First claimed the Falklands in 1690.
2. First settled the Falklands in 1743.
3. Resettled the Falklands between 1825-1828.
4. Has had continuous settlement of the islands for more than 200 years.
5. The people who live on the islands today are direct descendants from the Vernet colonists.
Hmmm? A failed 6 week military occupation verses 200 years of continuous settlement.
This is why the principle of self-determination is so important.
Oh and your assertion that the UN has ruled in Argentines favour is a lie. They have NEVER ruled in Argentines favour...EVER. And the ONLY binding resolution regarding the Falkland Islands was given in 1982 UNSC 502, which ordered Argentina to LEAVE the Falklands IMMEDIATELY.
Also the UN has only ever stated that any dispute should be settled peacefully. It has never said that there have to be negotiations. Another Argentine lie.
LEPRecon
Sep 21st, 2016 - 06:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0Your facts are conveniently wrong. Spain never abandoned the islands. In fact, it had a succession of governors until and sometime after the Argentine independence from Spain. Yes, there was a Spanish governor still in the Falklands after the Argentine independence from Spain.
Another fact. Argentina sent a Governor to the Falklands before 1833, Luis Vernet. Another fact, the Argentine population in the Islands were forcefully removed by the British in 1833. Regardless, historical rights always trumps any other type of claim. Period. Finito. Why doesn't the UK invoke historical rights, if they have it, according to you? You have not answered that question.
Regarding being the puppet of someone. I have learned that people resort to insults when they do not have valid arguments. In other words, you agree with me, indirectly.
18 Hector
Sep 21st, 2016 - 07:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0You seem to have quite good English so please stop “hectoring” us with fairy tales, myths, lies and quoting “historical rights” which have no basis as Argentina continually misinterprets actuality. Furthermore, you seem to have forgotten the Arana Southern Treaty of 1850 in which the Argentina Federation(Rosas) tacitly accepted British Sovereignty over the Falklands Archipelago.
Also, you seem to be unaware that Luis Vernet sought and obtained the approval of the British Consulate in Buenos Aires before proceeding to the Falklands as “Governor” which was merely a smokescreen for him to set up his tanning and cattle businesses.
You also state “Another fact, the Argentine population in the Islands were forcefully removed by the British in 1833.” This is totally untrue - Dr. Graham Pascoe and Mr.Peter Pepper have repeatedly proved this statement to be utterly false.
Yes Hektor, well that is fascinating isn't it ..... and it's the truth you say.....oh you do have such a fine imagination..........now run along dear, off you go, the grown ups have a lot to discuss.
Sep 21st, 2016 - 08:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0@18 Hektor
Sep 21st, 2016 - 08:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0All you're doing is repeating the lies that Argentina has be spouting over the years.
No civilian population was expelled by the British in 1833. That is a lie. I know it's a lie because the Argentine National Archive tells us it is.
Yes EVEN Argentina's own national archives don't support Argentina's 'version' of events.
The only people who were 'expelled' in 1833 were military personnel from the United Provinces, who were illegally on British territory. Even before the British arrived discipline had broken down and the troops had mutinied; murdering their commanding officer, Capt Mestivier, repeatedly raping his wife in front of her children, and threatening the civilian population that had already been on the Islands for 5 yrs.
Argentina NEVER sent Luis Vernet to be governor. Argentina DID NOT EXIST in 1832. Argentina DID NOT come into EXISTENCE until 1850.
Spain still maintained its sovereignty claim to the Falklands until the mid 1840's (which proves that Argentina-assuming it had existed in 1832-couldn't have legally appointed anyone governor of territory that wasn't theirs).
Spain also didn't recognise Argentina as an independent country until 1863, nearly 20 years AFTER they'd dropped their sovereignty claims and RECOGNISED Britain as the ONLY valid claimant left.
So you and read some actual history books (not La Campora issued propaganda) and you'll see just how fantastical Argentina's claims are.
But feel free to take your case to the International Courts of Justice. If your case is so solid surely they'd rule on Argentina's side, wouldn't they?
I also suggest that you actually start reading the UN resolutions regarding the Falklands, that's 1514 & 2065. Once you've read them you'll realise just how much you've been lied to. Also read the text of resolution 502, which ordered Argentina to leave the Islands in 1982.
So 6 weeks FAILED military occupation vs 200 plus years continuous civilian settlement. Hmm, which claim is more valid?
Hektor, just to stop this ridiculous charade you are putting on. The only reason the UK needs to cite 'Self Determination' is because as one of the seventeen NSGT's, that is the only option that is valid, relevant and necessary in 2016. The UN has stated this on numerous occasions, anything else is irrelevant.
Sep 21st, 2016 - 09:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0'You do however have the right to your own opinions, but opinions do not affect facts. Facts should affect opinion and do, but only if you are rational.'
Gosh.... quite a few fibs there Hektor.
Sep 21st, 2016 - 12:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You should hang your head in shame.
Argentina says it is in their constitution that the Malvinas belongs to Argentina.On the other hand the UK says that the FALKLANDS have the right to Self determination and decide on their future.The FALKLANDERS say they wish to remain a British Overseas Territory and determine their own future. Unforetuneatly it is two against one, hard luck. Only UN binding edict is UN 502 which states that Argentina remove their forces from the FALKLANDS in 1982 after illegally invading said territory.
Sep 21st, 2016 - 03:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hektor
Sep 21st, 2016 - 06:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you obviously have an interest here, you obviously have your reasons as to why you should have the islands,
well,
why don't you tell US why YOU think they belong to you [Argentina ]
in your own words then,
we are indeed waiting ?
Santa Cruz and Chubut provinces will be returned to Chile within 25 years.
Sep 21st, 2016 - 06:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hector seems to have decided to stop his “hectoring”!
Sep 22nd, 2016 - 05:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0He has gone all quiet.
Sep 22nd, 2016 - 01:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@21 ”
Sep 22nd, 2016 - 11:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So you and read some actual history books (not La Campora issued propaganda) and you'll see just how fantastical Argentina's claims are.”
Except all of our actual history books support our claim.
@29 “...our actual history books support our claim.”
Sep 23rd, 2016 - 12:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0I think that Joseph Stalin used to make similar statements about his history books.
@29 MagnusMaster
Sep 23rd, 2016 - 06:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0Your history books are as historically accurate as an INDEC inflation figure under Kirchner's government. Fantastical. Nonsense. And not based on reality.
You should go to the Argentine National Archive and read about how you've been lied to all these years. Yes MagnusMaster, your own national archives PROVES that Argentina lies.
Probably to far for him to go,
Sep 23rd, 2016 - 07:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the propergander office is nearer.
@31 Care to explain how did none of our historians go to our own national archives? Was there a conspiracy? Because we have no ministry of truth in Argentina, and nobody was ever jailed for pointing out the truth... not even when the Ks manipulated the INDEC.
Sep 23rd, 2016 - 11:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0England will return the Malvinas within 25 years.
Sep 24th, 2016 - 01:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0#34
Sep 24th, 2016 - 09:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0Y-A-W-N
34@
Sep 24th, 2016 - 10:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0Boring
Isolde:
Sep 25th, 2016 - 01:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0We view the British advance in the South Atlantic with all your islands with extreme concern. The claim to the Falklands is the only chip we have to induce the UK to negotiate a comprehensive and/or a non-aggression-mutual defense treaty that covers the South Atlantic and the Antarctica. This is the stumbling block to bring this dispute to an end – no agreement, no dropping of the claim. Among the many reasons:
1. The Shackelton expeditions of 1976 and 1981, that mapped the sea floors around Malvinas and a major part of the Argentine continental shelf, concluded that in order for the Falklands to be viable, they need a continental base. That “continental base” is our Patagonia or part of it. What does a base mean? Taking over our territory or using Argentine infrastructure in Patagonian with our consent? We do not know.
2. The charts of Edward VIII, introduced ~ mid 1880’s, claimed all the territory and seas south of the Santa Cruz River including the Strait of Magellan. They were withdrawn (not recanted) after Chile and Argentina protested.
3. The Antarctic treaty will expire in the next few years. Will it be renewed or will it be a mad rush to get anything you can.
4. Great Britain spied on Argentina from 2009-20013 with the help of NSA and conducted “Operation Quito” from London. David Cameron was dismayed that the Argentine Military was not planning an invasion of the Falklands, but they were not talking about them in their communications. The “invasion of the Falklands” was the excuse used to mount the very sophisticated Operation Quito. Here is the link to it: https://theintercept.com/2015/04/02/gchq-argentina-falklands/
We are at the crossroads. We either reach an agreement or start re-arming our dis-armed forces. We have a window of one to two years. I hate to waste billions in useless military hardware, but we have no choice; we have to protect our territory.
I had to keep my answer short because I run out of space.
You not only ran out of space but also ran short on realism, Hector.
Sep 25th, 2016 - 04:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina remains a bankrupt, powerless, crumbling, corrupt, technologically backward, has-been tercermundista backwater that still cannot leave the neighbours alone. And the neighbours in the Falklands have made it abundantly clear that they don't want to have anything to do with you.
As before, your threats to return to infinitely costly and assuredly suicidal armed aggression will only multiply the splashes in the ocean, exponentially increase the number of needless argento graves, and conspicuously enhance the probability that substantial regions of Argentistan may be converted into large, glassy, glowing parking-lots unsuitable for so much as raising cockroaches.
Chiquillos, acéptenlo de una buena vez por todas y sigan adelante: las islas pertenecen a los isleños. Déjenlos en paz.
Marti Llazo:
Sep 25th, 2016 - 05:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0In what alternate universe are you living? I will not qualify your ramblings as a response. Vaya con Dios
Of course you can't respond, Hector. You can't conceive of Argenzuela as it really is.
Sep 25th, 2016 - 05:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0Leave the islanders alone, and nobody will get hurt.
saludos desde Río Gallegos, pcia Sta Cruz (aguas arriba de la CFK pero no mucho)
@37 Hektor
Sep 25th, 2016 - 03:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“ The claim to the Falklands is the only chip we have to induce the UK to negotiate a comprehensive and/or a non-aggression-mutual defense treaty that covers the South Atlantic and the Antarctica. This is the stumbling block to bring this dispute to an end – no agreement, no dropping of the claim”
Do you really think that the UK and the FIG consider your crazy claim a “bargaining chip”. What does Argentina have to offer ? 'zero' , so nothing to bargain for. The dispute is only present in the minds of the fanatical Argies, to the Brits there is no dispute - the FI are a BOT and both the islanders and the UK are quite content with that status-quo.
“ That “continental base” is our Patagonia or part of it. What does a base mean?”
It means that Patagonia belongs to the Falkland Islands...
“We either reach an agreement or start re-arming our dis-armed forces. We have a window of one to two years. ”
Is that a threat or just wishful thinking ? first, you would need a few hundred billion USD to rebuild your non-existent armed forces ; Second, you'd take years to re-train them as their current stage of training was all conducted in totally obsolete equipment.....and third, didn't 1982 teach you numbnuts a lesson ? Obviously not.
Just as well you ran out of space, was getting bored reading your crap.
@37 Hektor
Sep 25th, 2016 - 03:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“The charts of Edward VIII, introduced ~ mid 1880’s”
Who????
If you mean Edward VIII of the UK then he wasn't born then until 1894. He became King in 1936. In the 1880's Victoria was Queen. If you can't even get basic facts correct why should anybody take any notice of you.
Interestingly, of course, Hepatia always gets facts wrong because he/she/it can't read his/her/its script notes. You wouldn't be the same person by some chance would you????
By the way your @37 is addressed to Isolde. If you check you'll find she hasn't posted on this thread so perhaps you also posted in the wrong place.
#37
Sep 25th, 2016 - 04:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If that article is true, I am pleased to see my government is doing something to counter the rubbish spouted about the Falklands from YOUR government.
For example:-
They have reported RN nuclear subs. in the river Plate where none existed.
Ballistic missiles stationed in the Falklands and nuclear arms dumps - total fabrication.
Powerful secret radar and listening posts installed on the islands -again garbage.
Test firing of short range anti aircraft missiles as a danger to mainland Argentina. These missiles have a range of about 5km, hardly a threat to the mainland some 570 km distant.
Military aircraft probing flights to the Falklands now discontinued because you don't have any aircraft of any military use.
Constant threats against the Falklands population.
I would remind you that it was YOUR country that invaded in 1982 and Britain did not mount a counter invasion or attack mainland Argentina.
You are starting the good old Argie trick of winding up the rhetoric as a supposed aggrieved party.
The solution is simple, go to the ICJ and prove your case then the UK would be obliged to talk. Why don't you?. Because you don't have a case but just a desire for colonial expansion. Once an Argie always an Argie.
37/39@
Sep 25th, 2016 - 06:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you state,
We are at the crossroads. We either reach an agreement or start re-arming our -armed forces,
The all I can say, is this,
You re-arm,
we re-arm, and both meet in the middle.
and may the best nation win.
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oh by the way,
What flowers do you like.
Clyde15:
Sep 25th, 2016 - 06:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks for your message. Finally a person I can talk to, without being insulted. MY government :) is paranoid about the British advance to the South Atlantic. They view the British force in the Falklands as a force there to control the South Atlantic. I do not agree with that view. The force in the Falklands is not capable of invading Argentina. My government is not the only one to be paranoid. YOUR government is also paranoid or using the Falklands dispute for propaganda. David Cameron spread the rumors that Argentina was getting ready to invade the Falkland. With what? With our dis-armed forces? Argentina is the country in the top 25 that has the least budget for defense – 1.2% of the PBI.
Yes, we wanted to build the atomic submarine. Do not forget that Invap is one of the leading companies in the world that specializes in small reactors. There is no money.
The UN ruled time after time in favor of Argentina? Because we have the historical rights, otherwise the UN would not be bothered with us. However, the UN has also ruled that the interests of the Kelpers should be taken into consideration. That is why the UN has asked for Argentina and Great Britain to negotiate an agreement. This is something the UK has refused to do.
We were thinking about going to the ICJ, but after the debacle with Uruguay, we decided against it. Uruguay put a pup mill right in front of the city of Guayleguaychu, across the Uruguay River, which is the frontier with Argentina. Pup mills are the dirtiest for the environment. Gualeguaychu is a tourist meca specially during carnival. Argentina asked the Finnish company to please move the mill 20 miles upstream. They refused. One of the lawyers representing Argentina was the wife of Tony Blair. We lost. The reason was that the mill belonged to a European company. We believe that if we go to the ICJ, England will not go along with it. However, we cannot take the chance.
Argentina Has NO claim what so ever,
Sep 25th, 2016 - 06:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Full stop.
And those who support her claim, are either brainwashed , deluded , indoctrinated , or just plain [ blind loyal ]
Argentina would be a better and more respected country if they grew up and recognised the islanders right to exist , and right to live in peace, and the right to be British if they so choose,
Argentina could well be a leading player in the Americas, respected , admired ,
trusted and a real gent of the Atlantic,
But sadly Argentina has been cursed with dictators and greedy corrupt incompetent aggressive Imperialistic empire builders that dream of south American dominance,
The future is in the hands of the people,
will Argentina throw of the past and become a forward looking country and respected,
or will it just wallow in the past and end up with nothing.
just my opinion and I could be wrong.
Briton:
Sep 25th, 2016 - 06:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You said:
“You re-arm,
we re-arm, and both meet in the middle.
and may the best nation win.”
Are you admiting that Britain is getting ready to invade Argentina? That is only scenario we will meet in a war.
@45 Hektor
Sep 25th, 2016 - 08:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are right when you admit that the Argie Govt is paranoid - they manage see things that no one else can.
Yr statement “Because we have the historical rights, otherwise the UN would not be bothered with us.” is, at the very least, mistaken. What historical rights ?
First, the UN is obliged to listen to your grievances, no matter how ridiculous...but they don't have the authority to change the current status quo.
Second, a brief timeline, according to the records, just for your reference :
1504 : the French 'sighted' what MAY have been the FI.
1522 : the Portuguese make similar claim.
1525 : Spain claims a 'sighting', plus several more over the next few decades.
1592/93 : English vessels use the islands as shelter.
1600 : the Netherlands also claim having 'sighted' the islands.
1690 : John Strong lands on the islands, claims them, names them FI.
1764 : the French build a fort on the islands, names them Iles Malouines.
1769 : by agreement, the French leave, transferring the islands to Spain.
1832 : the Argies send a garrison, which remains on the islands for 6 weeks, until...
1833: Britain decides to regain control of the islands, and 'invites' the Argies to leave, which most of them do.
So what are your 'historical rights' based on ? 6 weeks occupation in 1832 ?
Rather a weak claim. What about the other countries - besides England - France, Portugal, the Netherlands ? Why don't they too claim the FI ? Because UNlike Argentina, they are serious.
But when the Argentine invaded the FI in 1982, in a ploy to distract the population from the dire straits the economy was in, they gave up their rights to any such “fictitious” claim.
But the question is “if Argentina is so convinced of its 'historical rights', why doesn't it go to the ICJ ?”...“Because you can't take the chance” ? .. Of what ? losing ? because the myth would be debunked and you Argies would then have nothing to be paranoid about ?
Jack Bauer:
Sep 26th, 2016 - 01:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0We inherited the Islands from Spain, like the whole Argentine Territory. We sent Luis Vernet and 50 families to the Malvinas. They raised the Argentine flag in 10 June 1829. The British abandoned the Islands in the 1750's due to economic reasons. The British government has the plaque they left. It was in Buenos Aires until 1806 the British invaded us in 1806.
So what about historical rights. I have said many times that historical rights plus $2.oo will get you a cup of coffee. The one that has possession has all the rights. and we do not have them.
Can we stop this non-sense about historical rights and try to resolve the dispute. We are not going to drop the claim until we reach a comprehensive agreement with the UK regarding the South Atlantic and the Antarctica.
It has been said in this sight: :“who wants to go to Buenos Aires?” BA is a very pretty city. However my favorite city in the world is Washington DC. I spent 2 weeks there December 2015. London is my second favorite city. I've been there many time. I have many relatives in London (my wife's side.) I know what they English think about the Falklands or better said what they do not think about the Falklands. In Argentina, the people do not think about the Malvinas, either. This site is not representative of either England or Argentina. It has rather extreme views.
Look, I'm very pro British and yet I have been insulted by many members. To tell you the truth, I so not care. The member that relies on insults to make a case is because he/she does not have a case and his/hers credibility is shot. I will never insult anyone here. I love London, Washington DC, and Buenos Aires.
I'm planning to go to London in 2018. In 2017, I'm going on a 7-day cruise to the Caribbean twice. I'll be visiting many Mayan ruins. I'm also taking a 9-day cruise to the Baltic - Copenhagen, a port in Germany, Tallinn, St Petersburg, Helsinki,and Stockholm. I've never been to those cities.
#49
Sep 26th, 2016 - 10:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0The flaw in your argument about “negotiation” is sovereignty.
Your constitution has enshrined the sovereignty of the Falklands into Argentine law.
So, from your point of view, the only outcome of negotiations that your government will accept, is for the UK to hand over sovereignty to Argentina.
As an adjunct to this, you also want S.Georgia and the sub Antarctic islands - to which you have absolutely no claim - to be included in “negotiations.”
Now Antarctica seems to be another claim against the UK.
How can you possibly expect the UK Government to have any meaningful talks when you have decided the only outcome you will accept is 100% in your favour.
This is not negotiations but a list of demands.
Your country's invasion in 1982 left a bad taste in the mouth of the Falkland islanders. Why would they want to be ruled by a country that did this.
The years of rhetoric by the K. government only reinforced this feeling.
It will need about two generations of islanders before MAYBE they could begin to trust any Argentine regime and enter into any sort of accommodation with them.
Until then, prove that the leopard HAS changed it's spots.
49@
Sep 26th, 2016 - 01:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you really are unbelievable,
and some if not most are just wasting their time,
AXEL MKII.
'The UN ruled time after time in favor of Argentina?'....
Sep 26th, 2016 - 01:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That one sentence alone is enough to tell us all what we need to know about you Hektor. Now please show us all just one time, where the UNGA has ruled in favour of Argentina.
Hektor: “We inherited the Islands from Spain, like the whole Western Hemisphere and our rights to explore for oil on the moon.....”
Sep 26th, 2016 - 02:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argies are so funny when they're dreaming silliness, which is most of the time. I think the Fernet has something to do with it.
@49 Hektor
Sep 26th, 2016 - 06:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“We inherited the Islands from Spain, like the whole Argentine Territory.”
You fought a war with Spain to gain independence and more wars with various neighbours to win the rest of the Argentine territory. Inheritance from Spain was just a convenient way for the newly independent countries to divide up South America between them.
“We are not going to drop the claim until we reach a comprehensive agreement with the UK regarding the South Atlantic and the Antarctica. ”
What kind of agreement are you suggesting? Some kind of joint sovereignty? Or just sharing oil etc if there is any?
“Look, I'm very pro British”
Shocking! You shouldn't be posting here with views like that. This site is supposed to be for insulting people and ranting. ;)
@49 Hektor
Sep 26th, 2016 - 06:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“We inherited the Islands from Spain, like the whole Argentine Territory. We sent Luis Vernet and 50 families to the Malvinas. They raised the Argentine flag in 10 June 1829. The British abandoned the Islands in the 1750's due to economic reasons......”
First fallacy : While the Argentines declared independence from Spain in 1816, Spain only recognized it in 1857.........So, how could Argentina have “inherited” the FI from Spain before the English regained control in 1833 ?
Argentina had no right to “presume” that its declaration of Independence was all it needed to “inherit” the islands. Smart move, but didn't work. Like 1982.
Second fallacy : If it is accepted as historically accurate that John Strong “discovered” the islands in 1690, taking possession in name of the Crown and naming them the Falkland Islands, does Argentina really think that sending a garrison and some families to the Islands in 1829/32, supercedes Britain's legitimate right, based on 'discovery' ??
Third fallacy : If Britain decided to leave the islands in the 1750's, since when does that mean they were up for grabs ??? England exerted her undisputable right to the islands when she decided to take them back in 1833.
So you, and the other misinformed Argies can whine at will, but the Islands were never Argentina's and never will be - which is reconfirmed by your statement that “The one that has possession has all the rights. and we do not have them”.
The question, “Can we stop this non-sense about historical rights and try to resolve the dispute ?” is senseless. The FI are a BOT, and the islanders, as well as the UK, are OK with that, so what is there to dispute ? a phony claim ?
It's like if your neighbour invades and takes possession of half your garden ...do you agree when he suggests - in order to not go to court - that you 'negotiate' with him, to divide the invaded part ? Don't think so.
Enjoy yr travels.
Guardians Of The South Atlantic: UK Forces In The Falklands
Sep 26th, 2016 - 07:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Everything You Need To Know About British Forces In The Falklands
http://www.forces.tv/53458628
there are the four Typhoon jets that provide air defence for the islands and surrounding territories.
There's also one C-130 Hercules and one Voyager aircraft
The Royal Navy contribution is made up of a frigate or guided missile destroyer alongside an RFA vessel
Read on.....
@56 To that list of capabilities we should add that the US shares intel data with the UK, and allows it to observe every Artie lunch-pail, every Argie aircraft, and every little Argie ordnance trolley that can be seen by their new satellites. Not that Argentina has any aircraft or little ordnance trolleys, nor should they expect to be able to afford any until some years after the next foreign-debt default.
Sep 26th, 2016 - 08:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But the chronically unemployable here in Río Gallegos, safely beyond the age of conscription, sobriety, and other responsibilities, continue to fill the cafés with the most sophomoric talk about how Argentina will with their magical military might take over the islands belonging to the neighbours. This is the same Argentina that can't afford a new starter-cord for the circa-1972 15-HP outboard fitted to its sole remaining but much-patched Zodiac inflatable.
Argentina is a laugh a minute, and provides the best free entertainment in the world.
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