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An Argentine family to remain above the poverty line needs US$ 820 a month
An Argentine average household made up of a couple with two children 6 and 8 years old needs 12.489 Pesos (approx US$ 820) to remain above the poverty line according to the stats office, Indec estimate for the month of August. The same household will have to pay 5.176 Pesos (approx US$ 340) for the Basic food basket, not to drop to indigence. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesCan't wait for Enrique to blame this on Macri!
Sep 23rd, 2016 - 12:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Peronist liars are now being exposed. Hanibal wasn't just cheeky, he was totally deluded! Perhaps he had been drinking from the same water suppy as Nostril? The water seems to turn potentially intelligent beings into raving lunatics who make all sorts of ridiculous claims.
Sep 23rd, 2016 - 02:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Doesnt explain the deluded hypocrite in Canada though?
“Since last April when the Indec prices were first published, the Basic Food Basket has climbed 10.6% and the Total Basic Basket, 10.3%.”
Sep 23rd, 2016 - 05:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So is that an effective ~10% inflation rate? A bit down from 30%+ under CFK.
“...ceased to be published in mid 2013.”
I.e. She stopped publishing the truth.
“In 2013 the Cristina Fernandez administration argued that 4.7% of Argentines were considered poor and 1.4% indigent.”
She lied.
“Anibal Fernandez stated that...”
He lied.
”...9.4% were unemployed (almost 2 million people), quite far from the official 5,4% of the Indec figure from Cristina Fernandez time.“
She lied.
”UCA points out that Argentina has had no reliable official stats since 2007.“
They lied.
And now ”This is the first time Indec publishes baskets estimates since 2013...“
So Macri is publishing the truth...and this is ”bad” because the Peronists don't like inconvenient truths. They really don't like it up 'em. ;-)
@ 3 “They lied”
Sep 23rd, 2016 - 07:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The expression “as wealthy as an Argentine” was replaced long ago with the more contemporary “as dishonest as an Argentine.”
It's one of oh so many reasons why people are not lining up to invest in this country.
Relax
Sep 23rd, 2016 - 07:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0, recovery is just around the next corner..
@5
Sep 23rd, 2016 - 08:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Or so they say
Is this an argentine telling you that “recovery is just around the next corner” ??
Sep 23rd, 2016 - 10:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I rest my case.
Poverty has increased under Macri administration.
Sep 24th, 2016 - 05:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0However, somehow the story above is all about CFK.
And MP loyal commentators (but Briton) merrily toll the line.
Come on, boys. You aren't being serious.
From Macri 's blunder about PM May at the UN you know Argentina is being governed by a pathological liar.
You may cheer for Macri for your own reasons--that's your choice.
I see the loyal CFK supporter has come out in her defense yet again. The poverty has increased because of all the lies of the last administrations, lack of honesty and transparency.Due to the fact that the public services had to pay for workers that didn't work, they were just on the books to pad the system. How many did they find 10's of thousands. Good luck Macri I do hope you turn Argentina around to what it was, but I fear as you have so many head up their arse antagonists like Enrique it will be difficult but not unsurmountable.
Sep 24th, 2016 - 06:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0Geeeeeeeeee....
Sep 24th, 2016 - 07:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0The brainwash of the Anglo turnips in here at MercoPress is just flabbergasting...
Some easily comprobable facts...:
1) “An Argentinean family needs ~US$ 820 a month to remain above the poverty line.”
2) In order to make US$ 820 a month, most Argentinean families would, today, need 2 low paid jobs or 1 well paid one...
3) Since the present administration take over in December 2015, ~150,000 formal and ~300,000 informal jobs have been lost in Argentina due to the worst economical recession in the country's history... provoked by the new headless & dogmatic Neo Liberal “Complete Free Market” policies criticized by everybody..., even by The Wall Street Journal and The Economist...
4) Of the above mentioned lost jobs, only about 10% correspond to the PUBLIC SECTOR...
The rest have been lost at the PRIVATE SECTOR..., a sector not specifically known for employing any “workers that don't work”...
5) Each & Every fired “Public former administration worker that didn't work... aka Ñoqui”..., has been duly replaced by the new administration by another “Public current administration worker that doesn't work... aka ÑOQUI”...
Somtimes by more than one...
Inform yourselves...
Turnips...
LOL
Sep 24th, 2016 - 02:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Mr Think is very well informed. If only others had access to his remarkable sources.
Sep 24th, 2016 - 03:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0INDEC should hire him.
Perhaps someone should explain to Mr Dink the results of the protectionist policies of Peronismo in Argentina that over decades have resulted in noncompetitive buggy-whip industries which in regional economic downturns must shed over-compensated personnel.
Sep 24th, 2016 - 03:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There is a common notion here among the Peronists, which we see reflected in such foristas as Dink and Reekie, that industry jobs only exist for the purpose of keeping people on payrolls, regardless of whether they are producing useful goods and services. That large portions of backward Argentine industry, saddled with massively overcompensated workers at a time when external markets for their goods and services have fallen, should come as no surprise.
Let us ask Dink if he hires and handsomely pays people who perform no productive work.
#10 Think
Sep 25th, 2016 - 08:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0Excellent summary. Of course, the Macrist troll brigade dutifully comes to fill space with postings devoid of substance.
Kanye does not bother too much and Marti, unable to argue with the negative numbers, resorts to blame too well-paid workers--his favourite mantra when he does not know what to say.
@14
Sep 25th, 2016 - 11:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0Just remember, Komrade Rique/Kamerad Rique, You are as believable Fox News, with all that that implies. Not that I have any illusions about the nature of Argentine Institutions...
Excellent and thinkerbell in the same sentence?
Sep 25th, 2016 - 02:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That's implausible except in Reeeeeeeeeeeekie's altered reality.
Cretina lied.
Macaroni will lie when he feels like it's to his advantage.
Reeeeeeeeeeeeekie, remember your own words:
All rgs lie.
Mr Think and Mr Massot
Sep 25th, 2016 - 03:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You both seem to fear the same thing.
Very telling bedfellows- you both fear the same thing - Argentine economic recovery is the worst thing possible for Evita K's Fpv
Some of my friends earned the equivalent to $1000/USD a month and barely managed as individuals. Food prices were where the economic woes were most evident.
Sep 26th, 2016 - 05:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Shopping at the farmer's market, and the tax free market were ways to save because Vea and Carrefour had terrible prices. My friends tell me the situation is better today, but I haven't been back in over a year.
It used to be, many years ago, that the chilenos down here would come to Argentina (esp Río Gallegos and Río Turbio) to buy certain food/grocery items that were permitted by the Chilean SAG . That meant fideos, baking ingredients, milk in tetra packs, tinned goods, cooking oil, mermeladas, and the like. But about three years ago, which means well back into the CFK regime, the practice swung back the other way, and most of those products are now cheaper in Chile and the argentos cross over to buy less expensive chileno food and other items. (The whole “precios cuidados” thing was a typical Kirchnerist sham). What is amusing is that in the Zona Franca in Punta Arenas (Chile), argentos can buy some nonperishable Argentine food products cheaper than they can buy them in Argentina ! Bear in mind that the high prices today in Argentina are simply the continuation of a trend that had been in place for a long time under Kirchnerism, though reekie expects you to believe that this trend started last December. He really needs to visit Argentina some day to see now these things work in the real world.
Sep 26th, 2016 - 07:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://edition.cnn.com/2016/09/21/asia/india-pakistan-kashmir-conflict/index.html
Sep 27th, 2016 - 02:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://edition.cnn.com/2016/09/21/asia/india-pakistan-kashmir-conflict/index.html
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/09/21/asia/india-pakistan-kashmir-conflict/index.html
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/09/21/asia/india-pakistan-kashmir-conflict/index.html
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/09/21/asia/india-pakistan-kashmir-conflict/index.html
Things are looking wonderful in the NORTHERN HEMISPHERE!!
17 Kanye
Sep 27th, 2016 - 03:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0You seem to be of a very young age, an age where people still believe that, if you wish hard enough, things will happen your way.
Flashnews to you, Kanye. Reality has this bad habit of having a will of its own.
As a result, instead of waiting for things going your way, you must observe what's going on, take your cues, and try to project the main direction into the future--that way you have chances--only chances--to be in tune with the events.
Now, watching what's been going on in Argentina for the last nine months and talk about “economic recovery” is something Macri and his team may still be doing.
For others to swallow that is to believe in magical thinking as I described above.
Meanwhile, those who have lived enough to see the movie before, the (catastrophic) end is already written in the wall, and it does not depend on whether you like Macri or not.
We all know what happens to governments relying on “foreign investment” while destroying the middle class and the domestic economy.
It will just happen--and nobody should rejoice about it.
Perhaps now would be a good time to explain to Kepi Troll about the radioactive content and other toxic material in the tonnes of ash from Chilean volcanoes that blows into and settles in Argentina.
Sep 27th, 2016 - 04:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0Nah, he would not understand.
Perhaps we could summarise the enormous amount of economic harm that these natural events cause to the Argentine economy.
Nah, he wouldn't understand.
Perhaps we could remind him of the prompt collapse of the Argentine economy that would occur from an even moderately significant twitch in other regions.
As a Peronist, that would be the last thing that Kepi Troll could be made to understand.
You are the ultimate imbecile, volcanoes are the best long-term fertilizers of land on Earth. Get off of this site you racist anti-argie.
Sep 27th, 2016 - 05:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0It's always fun to explain to argie wannabees about their history and their myths.
Sep 27th, 2016 - 02:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Especially the effects of the 1991 Hudson volcano eruptions, which nearly destroyed the sheep industry in much of Sta Cruz province. It did not, however, damage the eternal myth so beloved by argentine Peronists that events taking place outside of Argenzuela can have significant and fast-acting negative impacts. Nay, Peronist Argentina provides a wall that hermetically seals off even its air.
For the Hudson volcano eruptions I enjoyed the opportunity to assist a US university in documenting the damage. More than half a million sheep died within weeks of the eruption, and potable water supplies for both livestock and humans became heavily polluted and unusable. The Argentine Instituto Nacional de Tecnología Agropecuaria (INTA) confirmed that the ash had no positive near-term fertilising value ( “la ceniza no operó como fertilizante de los suelos”). However, the Peronist press and perpetually nationalist public seized upon the false presumption of fertilising benefits, overlooking the scientific determination that the low rainfall in the area helped preserve the toxicity of the ash while delaying the potential for any eventual beneficial contribution.
The heavy ash concentration in Los Antiguos resulted in the almost total evacuation of women and children there, largely due to the reports of the toxicity of the ash. Health problems continue to affect many of those who remained. Effects were observed as far as the Atlantic coast. The sheep industry in the parts of this region most affect still has not significantly recovered . Air travel was curtailed and roads were blocked by the ash. The damage ran into the hundred of millions of dollars.
There are still Argentines convinced that what happens in other countries cannot possibly have the slightest impact upon Fortress Argentina.
Pictures speak more than 1000 words I guess?
Sep 28th, 2016 - 04:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://mashable.com/2016/09/27/world-passes-dangerous-carbon-dioxide-thershold-permanently/#qGZh9.t7Fuqj
You see how the atmosphere operates now? Is Argentina 100% protected from a nuclear holocaust in the northern hemisphere? No, but as long as it stays neutral, 90%+ of the fallout stays in the corresponding hemisphere. And Rain-shadows like the Andes, that lie in prevailing westerlies are an even better location. That is why many thought as extinct plants in particular tend to be found in valleys and rain-shadows, they are protected from whatever forces drove them to extinction elsewhere, from viruses to other species of plants, or animals. Or at the very least it delays the arrival of those creatures and pests for a much longer time.
Look at that CO2 map again, and weep, you idiot. Chile is f---, Argentina is safe.
The same rain-shadow that is helping extend the massive drought in northern Argie Patagonia, and creating economic havoc there this year.
Sep 28th, 2016 - 02:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As if there were not enough self-inflicted economic havoc to go around.
Ah yes, we don't live in the Garden of Eden, we all fell to this imperfect ball or rock and dust.
Sep 28th, 2016 - 02:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But occasional droughts caused by the topography and geology of the region are taken 1000 out of 1000 times than to be in the Northern Hemisphere in 2016, on the verge of nuclear Rue.
Sheep deaths in Patagonia - 'friendly' radiation from the South
Sep 28th, 2016 - 03:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argie isolationist nationalists.... still dreaming of their imaginary holocaust that will devour the outside world, while the cold light of daily reality is that before their perpetually closed eyes, Argenzuela is turning to failure, hunger, and dust.
Sep 28th, 2016 - 03:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But surely that huge 'nato' base in the FI would be a prime target in a nuclear exchange. Bet Argentina would suddenly forget it's claim to sovereignty
Sep 28th, 2016 - 04:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@23 “You are the ultimate imbecile, volcanoes are the best long-term fertilizers of land on Earth.”
Sep 28th, 2016 - 05:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0...which is why 12% of your sheep have died since 2007?
#29 Marti
Sep 28th, 2016 - 06:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Argie isolationist nationalists.... still dreaming of their imaginary holocaust that will devour the outside world,...”
Marti's deals in Argentina must be going pretty slow to allow this commentator so much free time.
FYI, most Argentines could not care less about “imaginary holocausts” or anything of the sort. Argentines have had their own, real cataclysms, mostly economic, thanks to governments such as the current one and similar ones in the past.
Marti's deals are going spectacularly, thank you very much. And having effective subordinates frees up a lot of time that might otherwise be spent in micromanaging.
Sep 28th, 2016 - 10:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's reassuring that the Canadian environment has helped free you from the imaginary space invasions and mythical plagues of flying frog fallout that some other argies seem to suffer from.
I find it funny how Europeans here and Chileans like Marti Llazo celebrate a volcano as long as it causes problems in Argentina, because somehow it proves how weak Argentina is, can't stand up to a volcano.
Sep 28th, 2016 - 11:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Let's remember what happens when a small vent decides to act up in Iceland: the entire of EUROPE and western Russia are brought to their knees.
Meanwhile Chile can't have three years in a row without some part of it's coast submerged by a tsunami. And the Chilean coastline basically equals Chilean territory.
http://www.thecommentator.com/article/5905/obama_weakness_may_result_in_us_china_confrontation
Sep 29th, 2016 - 12:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0In keeping with the original poverty-is-argentina theme of this MercoPiss story, we have some new insights in local media here (below article in Argentinish Spanish):
Sep 29th, 2016 - 04:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Why are one out of three Argentines in poverty?” (”¿Por qué uno de cada tres argentinos es pobre? )
http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1942164-por-que-uno-de-cada-tres-argentinos-es-pobre
And here Cristina told us all that the poverty rate in Argentina was less than that of Denmark? Just think: if CFK were elected, the poverty rate currently at 32.2 percent would instantly become just 5 percent, overnight ! Are Kirchnerist statistics great, or what?
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