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Chief Kirchnerite Senator calls for an end on naivety regarding immigration
Miguel Angel Pichetto, chairman of the Victory Front (FPV) in the Upper House, said Wednesday that Argentina has always worked “as a social adjustment tool for crime in Bolivia and Peru.”“How much misery can Argentina put up with by receiving poor immigrants?” Pichetto said in a TV interview. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesIf I remember correctly, certain posters....Troll boy especilially has railed against the UK for being xenophobic.
Nov 03rd, 2016 - 10:15 am - Link - Report abuse +2From where I stand, Pichetto seems to be exhibiting all the characteristics of a xenophobe. However, silly me, only ANGLOS -stupid racist word -are capable of this whereas the whole world knows that Argenzuelans are not.
Yes, indeed silly YOU... you call the views of this politician those of a xenophobe, but the exact same words are those which are OFFICIAL BRUTISH current government policy (wanting to restrict immigration, wanting business to hand “foreign worker lists”, cutting UK benefits to EU member citizens). But NOT ONCE did I see you here calling those views the X word.
Nov 03rd, 2016 - 10:48 am - Link - Report abuse -6Yet here, at the first article in probably decades where an Argentine politician has openly broached what is widely known in Argentina (that you can't have a welfare system with open borders and no taxes), you immediately use the X word.
So yes, you are both a hypocrite and using a complete double standard. Criticizing these views by this senator, which are the exact same views of the Theresa May gov.
Anglos will be Anglos, of course.
Actually this guy's complaints sound pretty reasonable. Why is Argentina providing free education to foreign nationals if they don't reciprocate? They ought to adopt the UK model of charging foreign students through the nose to subsidise domestic ones, then letting them stay afterwards and contribute to the economy. It's win-win.
Nov 03rd, 2016 - 11:22 am - Link - Report abuse +5On the other hand that 'social adjustment tool for crime in Bolivia and Peru' stuff does sound rather like something UKIP would say, so he does seem a little xenophobic.
Demon Tree of course does not know that the world's largest paraguayan city is Buenos Aires.
Nov 03rd, 2016 - 11:31 am - Link - Report abuse -5That 1 in 7 Bolivians in the world live in Argentina.
That 2+ million non-Bolivian, non-Paraguayan immigrants have been made citizens in multiple amnesties over the decades (1980s amnesty, Menem's amnesty, K's Patria Grande).
It is true many times in public hospitals foreigners are the majority. And not just the poor ones, a surprising number of backpackers make use of them (go to Lonely Planet for proof).
I really have no problem providing for education for anyone who wants to study hard, but base it on grades. Then health care, only for argentines. Foreigners need to pay up, sorry.
No, I did not know that. Is that the real reason you want to ban all foreigners from the country?
Nov 03rd, 2016 - 12:03 pm - Link - Report abuse +2And does Argentina really provide free health care to anyone? If foreigners are working in the country and paying taxes, then it makes sense for them to be covered, but obviously visitors and tourists do not need to be. Who created this policy anyway?
No. Just because they are meanies.
Nov 03rd, 2016 - 12:46 pm - Link - Report abuse -6Mr. DemonTree
Nov 03rd, 2016 - 01:09 pm - Link - Report abuse -7Sooo many things you don't know about Arhentina and us, generous, humble Argies...
Time to do some homework if you want to underytand anything about our wonderful Country ;-)
Oh, I'm learning plenty about the 'generous, humble Argies' from you and our resident Troll.
Nov 03rd, 2016 - 01:30 pm - Link - Report abuse +3It's disappointing really, he was sounding almost sensible for a moment there.
Oh, monkey(s)!
Nov 03rd, 2016 - 01:38 pm - Link - Report abuse -2You are so entitled.
We have all sooooooooo much to learn from great WASP's as Mr Trump...
Nov 03rd, 2016 - 01:44 pm - Link - Report abuse -2https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Q__bSi5rBlw
Trump does not represent anybody's government.
Nov 03rd, 2016 - 02:39 pm - Link - Report abuse +3Like the noble Argentines, he is playing on the fears and xenophobia of the uneducated electorate.
Hey Capi, do you still want to build a wall around Argentina?
Nov 03rd, 2016 - 03:17 pm - Link - Report abuse +4Also, Chronic, as usual I have no idea what you are talking about, but would you vote for Clinton if she had giant robots?
Troll boy
Nov 03rd, 2016 - 05:05 pm - Link - Report abuse +5You continually call us xenophobes.
What is the word to describe what Pichetto is saying ?
Xenophobia !
You have denied any xenophobia in YOUR country and you have advocated closing your borders and getting rid of ALL non Argentinians. That, my little Troll is a definition of xenophobia. Suck on it !
From a happily hybrid sassenach Anglo who occasionally eats turnips.
Cannot disagree with Pichetto's comments - after all, why should foreigners, looking for advantages, be subsidized the the local population ? and this makes sense in any country. When people, believing they are 'smart', start to abuse the system, that's when the trouble begins. It's very easy to confuse the reason for being against free tuition and medical services for foreigners, with xenophobia, when deep down it's really about the cost to the taxpayer. I don't think anyone is being targeted merely because of their nationailty, but rather because they enter the country with the intention of sponging off the system ; if they paid their way, the question wouldn't even arise.
Nov 03rd, 2016 - 05:10 pm - Link - Report abuse +3The K's allowed the poor Bolivians in to buy their votes and stay in power. A few handouts to former residents of the poorest SoAm country bought them many votes.
Nov 03rd, 2016 - 06:47 pm - Link - Report abuse +2As for foreigners from developed countries using the public hospitals of Argentina, I don't think so. Even Argentines don't want to use their public hospitals. Under CFK they barely had enough equipment to function and Argentines would queue from dawn to get attention.
If you are prepared to pay it is another story and since most backpackers have cheap travel insurance they can access the private tier of healthcare.
BsAs University has something like 300,000 students, a lot of them foreign. Most don't actually attend classes at all but use it as an excuse to pick up casual work in the capital.
Anglo turnip ElaineB says...:
Nov 03rd, 2016 - 07:40 pm - Link - Report abuse -4“The K's allowed the poor Bolivians in to buy their votes and stay in power.”
I say...:
The poor Bolivians in Argentina are, not suprsingly, poor Bolivians who, for the most part, have been granted a permanent legal residence by the Kirchner adminisration...
The poor Paraguayans in Argentina are, not suprsingly, poor Paraguayans who, for the most part, have been granted a permanent legal residence by the Kirchner adminisration...
The poor Peruvians in Argentina are, not suprsingly, poor Peruvians who, for the most part, have been granted a permanent legal residence by the Kirchner adminisration...
The poor Chileans in Argentina are, not suprsingly, poor Chileans who, for the most part, have been granted a permanent legal residence by the Kirchner adminisration...
About 99% of this new documented permanent legal residents in Argentina from Bolivia, Paraguay, Peru, Chile et al..., are still citizens of their respective Countries, also...: NOT Argentinean citizens...
Not being Citizens of Argentina, they DO NOT have the right to vote in the Argentinean presidential election...
Can some wise Anglo or otherwise in here explain to me which vote could the Kirchners buy from these people to stay in power?
Geeeeeee......
Anglo turnipidity and brainwash in here at MercoPress never ceases to flabbergast me...
Get ready... Next up: FIFEXIT
Nov 03rd, 2016 - 11:27 pm - Link - Report abuse -2https://sg.news.yahoo.com/fifa-warns-england-scotland-over-poppy-stance-163508442--sow.html
“We don't think we are breaking their law -- we think they are misinterpreting it,” he said. “I'm confident it won't come to anything draconian.”
Say it ain't so, the BRITISH ever admitting any wrongdoing, ever admitting they are on the wrong side of an argument?
This is essentially, why I am anti-British, forget all else. I just deep down have a deep rejection and intolerance for anyone or anything that claim they are always right, or claim always have been right,or claim always will be right; that anyone else is / was/ will be wrong, and who never want to compromise.
Fool me once: The British want the EU to drop all barriers to trade, while they are free to put all all barriers of movement. (no compromise)
Fool me twice: The British want to be treated completely different from everyone else, and want everyone but them to have to follow the rules.
ANGLOS will be INCORRIGIBLE ANGLOS.
Please FIFEXIT, an grand total of 0 people will be missing England's exploits in the world cup. Though humor shows will be deprived of much needed material every four years.
Capitrollism got ya Elaine!
Nov 04th, 2016 - 01:46 am - Link - Report abuse -3The sentiments of Pichetto must be similar to those felt by the Falkland Islanders when Argentina continues to make its fairy story, lying, misguided and false claims to sovereignty of their territory.
Nov 04th, 2016 - 07:14 am - Link - Report abuse +3Troll boy
Nov 04th, 2016 - 10:20 am - Link - Report abuse +3You do know that Ireland's football team appeared with logos on their strip commemorating the 100th anniversary of the Easter rising and FIFA did nothing about it.
If ever there was a political comment, that was it.
However, FIFA being “fair minded” have taken umbrage against a non-political act.
Neither team is offended by the wearing of poppies - no foreign country is involved.
It's just the bunch of crooks running FIFA taking revenge for being taken to task by the UK, for gross corruption; again, being a latam, you would know all about this as it is your national sport.
England always the victim then. lol
Nov 04th, 2016 - 10:34 am - Link - Report abuse -3@ Clyde15
Nov 04th, 2016 - 10:48 am - Link - Report abuse +3Supposedly Ireland were allowed to do this because it was a Friendly match and the rules are different. I still don't see how the poppy is a political symbol though.
What he is actually saying is that it is a waste of money which he could make use of in a foreign undisclosed bank,
Nov 04th, 2016 - 01:18 pm - Link - Report abuse +3Troll boy
Nov 04th, 2016 - 01:44 pm - Link - Report abuse +3I am glad top see that you have understood it at last...England/UK are always the victims when dodgy foreigners are on the make.
Think,
Nov 04th, 2016 - 02:26 pm - Link - Report abuse +4Are you for real?
Do you have any idea how many DNI (nat id. card) have been illegally crafted during the Kleptocracy?
You can get an Argentine native birth certificate for 100 USD. That's pennies for the greater BAs mayors/mafia bosses.
Ever been to la salada, Moreno, Merlo, Guernica, Avellaneda?
Guess not.
I agree with most of what Pichetto says, it really is not a sensible policy to have.
Nov 04th, 2016 - 03:33 pm - Link - Report abuse +8However, he is not right that there is no reciprocity. In the case of students there are similar numbers of Chileans studying in Argentina's universities as there are Argentinean studying in Chilean universities.
The Argies pay whilst the Chileans don't. The reciprocity is in the quality of the degree obtained. Free degrees from lowest ranked universities on the continent versus expensive degrees from the highest ranked.
Funny that, because I don't see any Chilean university as the highest ranked in the southern cone, let alone south America, forget the “continent” of America.
Nov 04th, 2016 - 04:58 pm - Link - Report abuse -2http://www.shanghairanking.com/ARWU2016.html
Capi,
Nov 04th, 2016 - 05:30 pm - Link - Report abuse +2You are right. Other rankings are consistent with the one you posted. All of them show University of Sao Paulo, then University of Buenos Aires, then Pontificia Universidad Católica de Chile.
Sources:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/apps/g/page/local/us-news-global-top-500-universities/1409/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/apps/g/page/local/us-news-global-top-500-universities/1409/
Borrowing from Donald Trump's handbook, Miguel Angel Pichetto tries to show he is the best man to serve president Macri.
Nov 04th, 2016 - 07:23 pm - Link - Report abuse -1He shows the difficulties of keeping progressive movements from opportunist characters such as Pichetto getting in.
A disgrace for the Victory Front and a blight in Argentine politics.
@ Enrique Massot
Nov 04th, 2016 - 09:49 pm - Link - Report abuse +3Is there no room for honest disagreement in the FpV? Instead of calling him an opportunist, disgrace and a blight, why don't you explain to us why he is wrong?
Most commenters here think what he said is quite reasonable. What do you think would happen if Canada offered free medical treatment to any uninsured Americans who turned up?
@ Tarquin Fin
Are you saying that Elaine is right and non-citizens have been voting in elections in Argentina?
Yeahhh..., Mr.Tarquin Fin... Answer the Englishman question..: Are you saying that Elaine is right and non-citizens have been voting in elections in Argentina?
Nov 04th, 2016 - 11:34 pm - Link - Report abuse -3And be so kind to also explain to us how anybody can manage to get registered in the National Electoral Registry with the help of cheap falsified documents?
http://www.elecciones.gov.ar/articulo_princ.php?secc=1&sub_secc=2
And be so kind to also explain to us why, if the Kirchner administration had those millions of bought foreign votes, they lost the last election...?
And be so kind to also explain to us why, if the Kirchner administration had those millions of bought foreign votes, there has been not ONE single denunciation of that “fact” by any member of the former opposition..., today in power....?
@Demon Tree, Think
Nov 05th, 2016 - 12:22 am - Link - Report abuse +3Yes. ElaineB is right. And I could attest this with my own experience. Back in '93 I lost my DNI and a bussiness trip to Paraguay just turned up for the next week.
I stated that situation to my boss, then he talked to someone , then I showed up at a back door in the then national registry office (Back then they were still located in “Cangallo” street). I only had with me a piece of paper from a nearby police station, in which I had stepped in just during the previous evening to denounce my lost piece of documentation. No birth certificate whatsoever!!
Hold on. It gets funnier than that ...
I had my DNI next morning. I just went into that office again. With a 4x4 picture. Sticked my thumb with ink, payed 160 pesos (one to one usd backed then) and happily went through the border (No passport needed for Mercosur).
@Think,
You must be aware that our people is so fanatic about civic rights that they are willing togo in and vote even when their dead.
Plus, there were thousands of reports of irregularities. You do have a very selective memory. Don't you remember La Campora and Quebracho thugs threatening to burn the trucks that carried the ballot boxes? A judge had to intervene to safeguard them.
Isn't it curious that Scioli started to climb just after midnight ... when most people had already gone to sleep?
As to why the current administration hasn't digged into this matter, my bet is that there was a last minute truse, deal , what have you ...
Just a piece of advice my friend. Don't believe everything you read on the internet. Either you are dumb or are pretty good at playing dumb.
Everyone knows there are easily a couple of million (some say as high as 4 million if you go back all the way to the 1970s), of people who never even went through the proper channels for documentation. Easily 5-10% of the total population has this kind of background.
Nov 05th, 2016 - 01:03 am - Link - Report abuse -3I always found it very suspicious that while up and down economic cycles happen in ALL countries, it is ONLY in Argentina that the Villa Miserias keep “multiplying”. I don't care how bad any downturn is, that discrepancy between Argentina and the rest of Latin America and the world can't be just explained by growth and recession cycles. There most be some supply of new citizens to those places, from somewhere, and poor provinces lie Santiago del Estero and Chaco don't have enough population (2 million combined), to account for all of it.
Mr Clyde
Nov 05th, 2016 - 02:50 am - Link - Report abuse +2“It's just the bunch of crooks running FIFA taking revenge for being taken to task by the UK, for gross corruption; again, being a latam, you would know all about this as it is your national sport.”
F*rkin' eh, buddy - you nailed it !
There is no more corrupt nation than the UK, really. I mean even your interest rates were rigged!!!
Nov 05th, 2016 - 08:26 am - Link - Report abuse -1Troll boy
Nov 05th, 2016 - 09:22 am - Link - Report abuse +2Thank you for that accord however, you are being TOO MODEST, Argentina beats us into a cocked hat for being w-a-y more corrupt than the UK.
We are bumbling amateurs, you are the real professionals. Praise where praise is due.
Tarquin Fin
Nov 05th, 2016 - 09:56 am - Link - Report abuse -1You are being completely paranoid...
Firstly..., you describe a perfectly normal procedure to replace a lost document as if it was some conspirative crime against humanity...
What did you expect...? A MRI scan....? A DNA test...? An autopsy...?
Secondly..., you mention some of the irregular episodes on our last election..., all of them properly dealt with and corrected by the electoral authorities and other controlling instances..., that have NOTHING TO DO with the topic we are discussing here...: The false postulate of millions of alien citizens voting “en masse” in the Argentinean Presidential Elections...
Thirdly.., you end accusing the current Macri administration of having made a “kind of secret deal” with the outgoing Kirchner administration about electoral fraud....
... Just a piece of advice my friend.... Don't believe everything you read and see on Clarin, TN and Canal 13 (like the story yesterday about that undocumented, criminal Peruvian India Pata Sucia lady that had the indecency of helping Mailén...). Either you are paranoid or are pretty good at playing paranoid.
You sound like Lilita Carrió in one of her baaaaaad days...!!!
@ Think
Nov 05th, 2016 - 10:36 am - Link - Report abuse +1Wikipedia says you can apply for Argentine citizenship if you have been living in Argentina for 2 years. If people have been granted permanent legal residence why would they not apply for citizenship so they can vote etc?
Also that site you linked to says resident foreign nationals can vote in Municipal and sometimes Provincial elections, does the FpV also have candidates in these?
@ Tarquin Fin
1993 is a long time ago. Is it still just as easy to get a new DNI now?
I found this article about vote buying and it says it's not actually illegal!
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/24/world/americas/argentina-elections-cristina-kirchner.html?_r=0
It also says all parties do it, which might explain why the current administration have not complained.
@ Capi
How do you know they are only multiplying in Argentina if you've never been out of the country?
Troll boy
Nov 05th, 2016 - 01:32 pm - Link - Report abuse +1I meant to include this link for your edification.
/www.transparency.org/cpi2015/#results-table
You will see that Argentina ranks 107 in the world table. The UK ranks 10th - I wish we could do better.
You may also note that the top 10 countries excepting Singapore (an ex British colony) are ALL in the Anglo-sphere. The Latam/Hispanics not so well !
As you repeat ad naseum “ANGLOS WILL ALWAYS BE ANGLOS”....so true.
Argentinians will always be crooks...so true !
You mean in Europe or the Anglosphere, right? I don't think those Scandinavian countries qualify, although the people there do generally speak very good English.
Nov 05th, 2016 - 02:11 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Corruption is a cultural artifact. What is corruption to me (hypocrisy) isn't to you.
Nov 05th, 2016 - 02:34 pm - Link - Report abuse -2Since that list is compiled by ANGLOS in a racially Anglo country, how much trust on impartiality can you really have on it.
Do you trust any list compiled by non-anglos? I don't think so.
So why should I as a non-Anglo trust an anglo list?
The Transparency International board members:
Nov 05th, 2016 - 02:43 pm - Link - Report abuse +2http://www.transparency.org/whoweare/organisation/board_members/5/
The first few are from those famous Anglo countries Peru, Russia, and Lebanon.
Why wouldn't we trust a list compiled by non-anglos anyway?
Anglos do not trust lists from non-anglo countries. I have seen how they react to them, and I have been told directly by them, they dismiss them at hand.
Nov 05th, 2016 - 02:54 pm - Link - Report abuse -3And any members from non-Anglo countries in an Anglo organization are surely de-facto Anglos, because they would be 100% ideologically aligned with and defending that standpoint. Just as if westerners going to work for Russia or China most likely will ideologically stand 100% aligned with those countries.
Here is a British organisation talking about a list compiled by the EU. They seem to find it perfectly trustworthy:
Nov 05th, 2016 - 03:18 pm - Link - Report abuse +2http://www.britishecologicalsociety.org/first-eu-list-37-invasive-alien-species-comes-force/
And the chance that westerners going to work for Russia or China are 100% aligned with those countries is practically nil. Obviously you're just looking for a way to dismiss any evidence against your daft theories.
@Demon Tree
Nov 05th, 2016 - 05:15 pm - Link - Report abuse +1It sure is if you look for the right people. Granted that over the years new technology has been implemented and things go faster (20 years ago if you went thru the regular procedure, you'd have to wait for the DNI 20 to 30 days, passports doubled that time in most cases)
What hasn't changed is the data verification process. To get a DNI as a citizen, you have have to show up with a certified copy of your birth certificate plus a residence address certificate. These critical pieces of paper can easily be forged or ignored if you are willing to pay 10 times the money.
So it doesn't really matter if you implement a new and fancy electronic id card or whatever if the very evidence of your citizenship or residency isn't properly verified.
D.T
Nov 05th, 2016 - 09:03 pm - Link - Report abuse +1I was just using Troll boy's definition. He thinks Afro-Americans are Anglos as are S.Africans !
Humour him !!
I will tell you what Anglos ultimately are: they are IRAQI and SYRIAN REFUGEES who now want to deny other IRAQI and SYRIAN refugees refugee status.
Nov 06th, 2016 - 12:21 am - Link - Report abuse -1http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1244654/Study-finds-Britons-descended-farmers-left-Iraq-Syria-10-000-years-ago.html
So the hypocrisy and double-standards already started 10 millenia ago.
ANGLOS WILL BE IRAQI REFUGEE HYPOCRITES (anglos)
As for westerners going to Russia and China, there are thousands and thousands of them... or do you think everyone wants to go to Europe only? Drop the hubris a bit.
@ Tarquin Fin
Nov 06th, 2016 - 12:53 am - Link - Report abuse +2Hmm, how do you prove it's your birth certificate? Is identity theft much of a problem in Argentina?
@ Capi
Aren't we all from Africa originally anyway?
In my experience immigrants are some of the most hypocritical, both the British immigrants in other countries and the ones from other countries living in Britain. It's really depressing how many voted to leave the EU because they objected to all those *other* people moving here.
And I didn't say that no westerners go to Russia and China, I said the ones who do go are not aligned politically with those countries. Mostly they want to make money or are interested in the culture.
Do tell us if you consider Scandinavians to be Anglos too? According to your definition it seems practically anyone can be included.
Mr. Tarquin Fin
Nov 06th, 2016 - 10:44 am - Link - Report abuse -1Please controll your paranoia for a while...and Think...
- First let us agree that we both live in Argentina..., a former miliarized police kind of state where our Securty Farces have always been obsessed wih external and internal “National Security”...
- Fingerprints and unique numbers in all our central registered documents, that we were obliged to memorize & carry constantly with us if we wanted to survive..., vauch for it...
Geeeee... I still remember myauld libreta de enrolamiento and my cedula porteña numbers !!!
Secondly, you are confounding the “Official Express Lost Document Service fee” created to help citizens that need a new document “Pronto” (and, of course, to make a lot of extra money for the State) with corruption and lack of çontrol...
Not so...
Thirdly, one can surely buy false Argentinean Birth Certificates, DNI's or Passports of variable quality and prices somewhere..., but you can not use them to register officially anywhere without being checked on the newly digitized central register and... busted...
Kind of those authentic but forged British passports that the Mossad luuuvs to issue their hit teams, you know...
Good for crossing foreign borders and scotch sandniggers.... but don't try to use them to vote in Alnwick's Council elections ;-)
Lowlander..., Toby... and TWIMC...:
Scandinavians are not Anglos...
But most Anglos have some bastardly acquired blood in them...
And, by the way... Transparency International is NOT an Anglo Organization
Servus
El Think
I agree with you BUT Troll boy uses his made up description to cover everyone he despises.
Nov 06th, 2016 - 01:17 pm - Link - Report abuse +1As a part Scandiwegian you are included as an ANGLO in the damned at birth
Only pure blooded Argentinians with latino/hispanic blood, who, by osmosis, are the chosen race.
”But most Anglos have some bastardly acquired blood in them..
Conversely, many Nordics have Scottish/Irish acquired blood.
The main example is in Iceland. Most of the women there carry DNA from Scotland/Iceland. This goes back to the first invasions when slaves (women) were either bought on the Dublin slave markets or abducted from Ireland and the west of Scotland.
So, Think, you don't know who is hiding up your family tree...maybe even some brutish Engrish. Heaven forfend !!
@ Think
Nov 06th, 2016 - 02:01 pm - Link - Report abuse +3FYI you don't need a passport or birth certificate or any kind of documentation to vote in UK elections. You don't need it to register and you don't normally have to show any ID at the polling station either.
Not 'bastardly acquired'. Here's where those pesky Angles, Saxons and Jutes came from:
http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/rmhttp/schools/primaryhistory/images/anglo_saxons/who_were_the_anglo-saxons/anglo-saxon_map.jpg
That looks like Denmark (and Germany) to me.
Anyway CapiTroll calls everyone an Anglo when it's convenient, even Peruvians and Russians it seems.
@ Capi
If Think was born in Europe does that make him an eeevil EUian? Or did getting Argentine citizenship somehow fix him?
Think,
Nov 06th, 2016 - 03:13 pm - Link - Report abuse +1That's very naive of you. How come a lot of Paraguayans crossed the river to Formosa and voted for Isfran (24+ years controlling the province)?
Who do you “Think” feeds the electronic registry? The systems in place can be tampered leaving no trace. An inside job if you will.
Demon Tree,
Identity theft is as bad as anywhere else. The verification of a birth certificate is done against the original copy of the local registry where you were born. Parents are then given a certified copy. If you need another copy, you can go to any civilian court and ask for another certified copy. Yes, you guessed, none of the local registries are digitized and/or encrypted or backed up, so that makes the verification lengthy or non existent.
Anglos are people born in English-speaking societies who thus are genetically influenced by this fact. Environment affects genes.
Nov 06th, 2016 - 10:35 pm - Link - Report abuse -2That is why someone that learns to speak English cannot be an Anglo if the environment around them is non-anglo.
It is kind of the USA and hispanic. The US government states an Anglo-American (they use the term white) cannot be Hispanic if they learn Spanish. Neither can a Hispanic ever be white, since Hispanic is a biological race.
Anglo is thus also a biological race, that includes people from Nelson Mandela to Tony Blair, Usain Bolt, Donald Trump, Bono of U2, Scots, and people born in New Zealand who are Maori, just to name a few examples of typical Anglos.
An Argentine born in those places remains Argentine. Some here would use the term “white”, but I never use it if anyone noticed, because Argentines are genetically distinct from Europeans as well, thank goodness. Would not want most people here associated with the crimes of those people.
I personally am not European, nor black, nor Indian, nor Asian, nor Anglo.
@ Tarquin Fin
Nov 06th, 2016 - 11:10 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Is this what you are talking about in Formosa?
http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1521585-investigan-a-los-ciudadanos-paraguayos-que-votan-en-formosa
Actually the governor of that province sounds a lot like Think's “rancid oligarchy that still controls in a quasi feudal way some of the northern provinces of Argentina...”. And he's a Kirchnerist.
@ Capi
LOL, did you skip all your biology lessons at school?
Language is part of culture, it's nothing to do with race. Neither Hispanic nor Anglo is a race by your definition, they are cultural groupings if anything.
This shows how (not) genetically distinct Argentines are from Europeans: blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/files/argen1.png
Sooo sorry you have to be associated with us.
Demon Tree,
Nov 06th, 2016 - 11:21 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Yes. That's the one.
Capi,
“I personally am not European, nor black, nor Indian, nor Asian, nor Anglo.”
Then what are you? Remaining choices are Semitic, Celtic, Slavic, Australian Aboriginal ... Sasquatch? Martian?
Geeeeeee...... Mr. Tarquin Fin...
Nov 06th, 2016 - 11:47 pm - Link - Report abuse -3Nothing strange in a border area to have a high percentage of citizens with double nationality...
Those Argie-Paraguayans are surely allowed to vote in both countries and can easily abuse that right and sell their vote by having a Pro-Forma address in their second Country...
I have meself voted (legaly) in three different Countries national elections, mate....
You say also...:
“Who do you “Think” feeds the electronic registry? The systems in place can be tampered leaving no trace. An inside job if you will.”
I say...:
More paranoia, mate...
Do you realise that if all those multiple conspirations you are suggesting were real, it would mean that the president you voted for some months ago..., Mr. Macri..., has been illegally elected?
@ Tarqin Fin
Nov 06th, 2016 - 11:56 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Obviously he's Trollish :)
@ Think
It doesn't bother you that they are selling their vote and using a fake address? Or being paid pensions they are not entitled to from public funds?
Don't ask silly questions, boyo..! Of course it bothers me...!
Nov 07th, 2016 - 12:20 am - Link - Report abuse -2But what some hunderds of double nationality individuals choose to do in Formosa Province has NOTHING to do with the postulate of massive electoral fraud by millions of foreigners imported by a certain administration to illegaly vote for it in the Argentinean Presidential elections...
Capisce?
Demon Tree
Nov 07th, 2016 - 12:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0“FYI you don't need a passport or birth certificate or any kind of documentation to vote in UK elections. You don't need it to register and you don't normally have to show any ID at the polling station either.”
...but you do need to be on the Electoral roll and on appearing at the polling station you will be asked to confirm your name and address....
No name and address...no vote..
It is possible to say you are a particular person at a particular address and vote for that identity , but then the real person doesn't get a vote...so no extra voting takes place..
It's not as easy to vote in the UK as you make it out to be...
Yest DT, an obvious pattern emerges.
Nov 07th, 2016 - 01:15 am - Link - Report abuse +3Think, my friend
I do IT for a living. You can just figure out that I've met most of the relevant software engineers int the local arena. It just so happens that you walk into each other at a seminar, event or even coincide to work on the same project after quite an amount of time has passed.
We nerds are just like any other clique you can think of. We love to brag about how complex and bitchy a particular project has been. And we do it over beer. Just like fishermen bragging about the size of their respective catch.
I will obviously not disclose any consultant firm or public office from which I get these insights from. Please, give something back to the community and try to be open minded.
Electronic records are just like any kind of paper record only easier to forge if proper crypto algos and procedures ar not in place. It's all mathematics. If implemented right, it works for the good of human kind. If implemented wrong -not by chance but by design- it works for the good of the crooks.
Tarquin
Nov 07th, 2016 - 01:17 am - Link - Report abuse +1“Then what are you? Remaining choices are Semitic, Celtic, Slavic, Australian Aboriginal ... Sasquatch? Martian?”
Simply put, Mr Nostrils is Argentine. They are distinct and unique. The likes of Nostrils and Think reside in a strata far above lesser mortals.
“all-sorts”.
Funny that you mention that Kanye, I've been an Argentine native since 1970 only to find out, just today, that I belong to some kind of special, superior breed.
Nov 07th, 2016 - 02:06 am - Link - Report abuse +3OMFG! Where have I been all of this time? Go just figure how easier it would have been for me to cope with my teen lack of self esteem if I had only known that I belonged to a unique race that was meant to rule the world?
Tarquin
Nov 07th, 2016 - 03:53 am - Link - Report abuse +2Apologies to the reasonable intellectually honest posters on here.
I was sarcastically referring to Nostrils' own perspective as a racially-pure superior being.
Think shares that.
I am well aware that Nostrils and Think do not represent all Argentines, and likely do not live there.
I find many of your posts to be interesting.
Yest TF, an obvious pattern emerges...
Nov 07th, 2016 - 07:16 am - Link - Report abuse -3https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cT6aIKlAx7c
That's cool Kanye. I was also very being sarcastic, not with you ;-)
Nov 07th, 2016 - 09:39 am - Link - Report abuse +1Think
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-qnY3fmcMo :-)
Mr. Tarquin Fin...
Nov 07th, 2016 - 10:34 am - Link - Report abuse -4Nice video...
Story of my life...!
Only difference being thai it was the 59, not the 26 that left me at my home's garden corner gate...
- By the way... do you ( as does one of me youngest grandchildren) believe in the Contrail conspiracy too?
;-)
Think,
Nov 07th, 2016 - 01:53 pm - Link - Report abuse +3I know some people that refer to it as “chemtrails”. I guess it must be the same thing.
These are chemicals sprayed by the “elite” to control the masses, induce desease, terminate pregnancies in low income areas ... etc, etc.
Please tell your grandchild that cloud seeding has been done regularly since the 60s. There is no secret conspiracy about it. A number of companies worlwide can provide the service if you can afford it.
Piluso/Borensztein...
Nov 07th, 2016 - 02:10 pm - Link - Report abuse -4You didn' answer me simple question...
Do you believe in the Chemtail conspiracy or not?
Now...
I watched your “Matris” video..., watch mine now and tell me in which points you disagree ;-)))
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oMeoCSt35mE
I have never said I am racially superior, that is something the British and the Europeans believe.
Nov 07th, 2016 - 02:13 pm - Link - Report abuse -5I have said that my noetic prowess is far behond the scope of any of you here to fathom, far too inscrutable.
Think,
Nov 07th, 2016 - 02:48 pm - Link - Report abuse +3I do not believe in the contrail, chemtrail conspiracy.
Regarding that video, I had to stop just when he states that the Kirchners created Atucha, I and II. Atucha I? Did you know it was built in '73?
This is the kind of BS we were made to sift through during the last 12 years.
A number of new national universities? I bet those don't even make it into the ranking.
How many hospitals did they “create” with no doctors and no equipment?
Don't get me wrong. I voted for Macri because there was absolutely no way that I would support Scioli, not because I believed his administration wouln't produce BS as well.
I'm sorry but your video is suitable for Brainwashing 101 (I bet that course is available in one of those new national universities “they” created).
Mr. Tarquin Fin
Nov 07th, 2016 - 03:23 pm - Link - Report abuse -3Thanks for your input...
Very Pythonsque of you...
Soooooo...:
Of a 35 minutes video were hundreds and hundreds of good deeds from the Kirchner administration are mentioned, you could only pick three small faults and discrepancies...:
1) “The Kirchners created Atucha, I and II.”..., should, of course, read...: “The Kirchners finished Atucha II after 20 years of paralysis”
2) Your personal concern that all that new universities won't make it in an undisclosed ranking of yours in an undisclosed timeframe of yours...
3) An undisclosed number of hospitals “created” with no doctors and no equipment, you say...
Welll... I remember having read about a couple of those hospitals...
One of them, inaugurated by Mr. Macri himself...
http://www.infonews.com/nota/185792/hospital-de-lugano-una-deuda-pendiente
All in all... 99,7% of good stuff happening during the last 12 years...
Not bad....................................... Not bad at all...!
Thanks for your approbation ;-)
Think,
Nov 07th, 2016 - 04:42 pm - Link - Report abuse +1You've got it all wrong. There were good deeds during the K administration. There were also pantomime deeds just to inflate Cristinas image as a second Evita. Pure propagandistic bollocks.
Take the case of Universidad de San Martin. What business does a university in funding a tv series?
Take the case of the trains. They revamped the main lines with new trains. But it came at a cost of 52 people dead and a number of other accidents. I will not forget that even if they install a maglev.
If you take the time to go deep into each one of the K's good deeds, you will find that most of them are just a cover.
Nope..., Mr. Tarquin Fin...
Nov 07th, 2016 - 05:23 pm - Link - Report abuse -2- If YOU took the time to go deep into each one of the K's good deeds, you wld find out that most of them are just........... good deeds.
Wth..., of course quite a few ugly beauty spots in between......
@ Tarquin Fin
Nov 07th, 2016 - 11:56 pm - Link - Report abuse +1What is that about Universidad de San Martin?
Your comments are very interesting anyway. Usually we get a rather one-sided view here but it was obvious that a lot of people in Argentina must have supported Macri.
Also: “Go just figure how easier it would have been for me to cope with my teen lack of self esteem if I had only known that I belonged to a unique race that was meant to rule the world?”
But you did; the race of nerds ;)
@ Voice
You are right, you have to be on the electoral register to vote, or else impersonate someone who is.
But to get on the electoral register all I have ever had to do is fill in a form with my name and nationality. Maybe they do some kind of checks in the background, but I certainly have never been asked for ID, nor heard of anyone who has been.
Good deeds? Handing out Choripans? Handing out Pesos to the poor in exchange for votes? Keeping hotel staff paid to mind empty hotels? Eliminating pesky lawyers? Giving her son a purpose by letting him run failing airline? Bolstering the profits of Rolex, Gucci etc? What a great leader?
Nov 08th, 2016 - 09:38 am - Link - Report abuse +1Demon Tree,
Nov 08th, 2016 - 12:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Unoftunately I'm no Zuckerberg. :-(
UNSAM (Universidad de San Martin) has been involved in many scandals. They acted as a proxy for paying out the making of a tv series that has never made it to the local screens, and whose budget was obviously inflated making room for kickbacks.
They were also involved in the purchase of very expensive motion capture equipment with pulbic funds.
All of these (and many more) where funded thru the ministry of planification (now extinct) and the scheme was so obvious that is hard to believe the now ex-minister is not in jail. Probably because he made it to the congress.
It works like this, they make a contract (convenio) with UNSAM (and all of the newly created universities). These universities hired actors, programmers, graphic designers, etc. UNSAM received let's say, 100 for each person but they payed 50 to the workers. It's good to be the King!
@ Tarquin Fin
Nov 09th, 2016 - 12:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0I see. It seems a bit odd for a University to be making a TV series in the first place, was it supposed to be an educational one?
Have you heard that the new government uses the same kind of scams?
@DT
Nov 09th, 2016 - 09:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not educational at all. Entertainment with a propagandistic twist.
New govt is not into these kind of scams. I suspect they are into something having to do with the use of public spaces for real estate profits (by the friends of the new administration).
Tarquin Fin...
Nov 09th, 2016 - 10:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Stop whining about small trivialities and focus on your biiiig conspiration theories....
What about that chantapufi of Nisman... you were convinced was murdered by Cristina... huhhhh....?
Any news, other then those lindas putitas he frequented and paid with who knows who's money are being, one by one, accused of prostitution, theft, blackmail and other niceties...?
Think,
Nov 09th, 2016 - 10:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What conspiracy theories? Do you call it a conspiracy when the facts are in plain sight? (wether fpv or pro, crooks are crooks)
I never thought that Nisman was murdered by Cristina. That murder had the fingerprints of rotten intelligence (SIDE) all over it.
On the other hand, I don't care if Nisman indulged himself in orgies, was gay, you name it. A murder is still a murder and neither Cristina or Macri have been very diligent on this case's resolution. There's definitely something rotting in Denmark.
Suicide it was...
Nov 09th, 2016 - 10:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Chantapufi was on the brink of being grilled by the Senate Special Comittee, he was abandoned by his SIDE, Mossad and American Embassy sponsors and his Chantapuifian ego couldn't cope with any of it...
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