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Identification of Argentine soldiers' remains in Falklands: Geneva meeting in December
Argentine and British diplomats will be meeting next 10 December in Geneva with the Red Cross to advance in the identification of the remains of 123 Argentine combatants buried at Darwin cemetery in the Falkland islands since 1982. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesThe Falklanders should charge a large fee above expenses, for the disruption and imposition.
Nov 03rd, 2016 - 12:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Make it known that it will go towards defence spending and conspicuous social improvements. Perhaps a history museum about Argentine fascism and the invasion, for cruise ship passengers to tour.
I trust that there will be representatives of the Falkland Islanders at this and any subsequent meetings.
Nov 03rd, 2016 - 12:56 pm - Link - Report abuse +5Darragh - not sure if at this stage but at some stage there will be- ICRC were emphatic - they are working with THREE Govts - Stanley-London-Buenos Aires - and at the appropriate stage of detail all 3 will be at the table.
Nov 03rd, 2016 - 01:19 pm - Link - Report abuse +6FIG has to be at some stage as it is ONLY FIG that can authorise the Planning Permission and approve Site Works and Excavation etc - nothing to do with Uk or Arg. when it gets to that stage.
Wont happen this summer anyway - plan this summer - then the cemetery would be closed off and a perimeter set up a mile or so away for most of next summer 2017-18 while the works go on - ICRC say it will take several months- if it happens.
They really do need to do their best to help the Red Cross and the FIG to get their boys back to heir homeland. Sadly though I can see this being used as a political device by the Argentine Gov.
Nov 03rd, 2016 - 02:03 pm - Link - Report abuse +5Paddy Turnip Darragh...:
Nov 03rd, 2016 - 02:37 pm - Link - Report abuse -9Nope..., but it wouldn't surprise me if one of the British third secretaries from one of the British diplomats present at that meeting had the number: +500 27451 coded in her cellphone...
Kelper Islander1...:
In your dreams...
Crazy Jock...:
Them Argie boys ain't going nowhere..., boyo.
They are exactly were they ought to be...
If Mr Think is an example of Argentine attitude, why bother with them?
Nov 03rd, 2016 - 02:50 pm - Link - Report abuse -1While the uninvited and malevolent remains are exhumed, they should be loaded into a bin and shipped back where they came from.
Unfortunately, the Argentine soldiers who were killed had little say in their predicament. They were in the most part young, inexperienced conscripts in the middle of their military service, and despite their unwarranted and inexcusable excesses committed against the islanders once they believed they were in control, were victims of unscrupulous military commanders ; These, as well as the then Argentine president, Gualtieri, should have been tried and hanged. The Argentine should apologize officially to the islanders, as well as give up all their fake claims.
Nov 03rd, 2016 - 04:28 pm - Link - Report abuse +9FIG will be represented directly in Geneva on the 10th of December.
Nov 03rd, 2016 - 09:08 pm - Link - Report abuse +4Jo...
Nov 03rd, 2016 - 09:11 pm - Link - Report abuse -6O'Really...?
By whom...?
Or is it a “secret”...
Think- sometimes you write sensibly- other times you are worse than the worst misinformed fanatic.
Nov 03rd, 2016 - 09:38 pm - Link - Report abuse +7So who do you think is in charge of Environmental Planning Issues in the Islands?
And Public Health issues - I suspect digging up the dead will need their approval at some stage)
And safety and security issues for humane decency?
After all - if it goes ahead one does not want tourists of whatever nationality turning up for a gawp.
Sorry I sat in a public meeting with the ICRC team when they were here and they were emphatic- they are in communications with THREE Governments. All will be involved and all THREE have to be in Agreement for the process to happen.
Yes at initial high level concepts etc that just needs UK and Arg as UK will have got its concept approval lead and direction from FIG. But when it becomes more detailed - THREE sides are involved.
UK does not tell us - nor has control over what is done at a local level.
I do not see any political problem - 3 groups of people and the ICRC sitting around a table working out a practical HUMANITY solution for the sake of those families - got a problem withy that?
Now if one side wishes to try and play dirty politics with its war dead - up to them. But I suspect the world would think the less of them for it.
Islander1...
Nov 03rd, 2016 - 10:06 pm - Link - Report abuse -8The ICRC are indeed working with THREE instances - the British Government..., the Argentinean Government...and the Local British Overseas Territorial Administration of the disputed Falkland Malvinas Islands...
At NO POINT in the whole process has the ICRC said, implied or hinted that all three instances will, at any point, sit simultaneusly at the same table.
Just wishfull thinking from your side, me dear Kelper...
Think
Nov 03rd, 2016 - 10:42 pm - Link - Report abuse +6One of our MLAs will be in attendance.
Poor old Think.
Think likes people to think he thinks he knows what's going on.
Nobody thinks Think knows what's going on
Think knows nobody thinks Think knows what's going on
Think is a silly old fool
Don't be like Think.
Chuckle chuckle haughtily
Sorry Jo...
Nov 03rd, 2016 - 11:19 pm - Link - Report abuse -8Just checked...
Computer says no...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WOdjCb4LwQY
I'm also told that the FIG will be represented at the meeting by an MLA (confirmed to my source some 12 hours ago). Perhaps the ICRC will provide extra tables?
Nov 04th, 2016 - 12:08 am - Link - Report abuse +6Well...
Nov 04th, 2016 - 12:21 am - Link - Report abuse -9As Islander1 so Kelperly uses to say...
We will have to wait................................ and see...
Kanye
Nov 04th, 2016 - 07:09 am - Link - Report abuse -1Your comments are over the top!
Think- Sorry I was at that meeting in Stanley, along with the local press - you were not.ICRC also agreed that the wishes of nok families were paramount and more important that Govts - in that if an Arg family wished, after identification, to have the remains of their loved one returned to them in Argentina - than that is what would happen.
Nov 04th, 2016 - 08:57 am - Link - Report abuse +4All this comment section needs now is for the idiotically persistent Hepatia to step in with their twenty five year BS.
Nov 04th, 2016 - 09:30 am - Link - Report abuse +1Islander1
Nov 04th, 2016 - 10:11 am - Link - Report abuse -8Good boy... Which neck is yours?
http://es.mercopress.com/2016/07/01/falklands-cruz-roja-se-aseguro-que-familias-argentinas-quieren-la-identificacion-de-restos-en-el-cementerio-de-darwin
Now seriously...:
1) it goes without saying that the next of kind wishes are paramount and they should be helped with the relocation of their fallen... if they so wish..
2) Having said that..., I only know of two persons that have expressed such a wish and that was some 30 years ago...
3) I repeat.., only the direct wishes of the family of the fallen can be used to exhumate and relocate any of the fallen Argie Malvinas soldiers...
Not the wishes of the British Crown or her local representatives in occupied Malvinas...
...And certainly not the wishes of an anonymous MercoPress poster that calls himself “Crazy Jock”..
Servus
El Think...
Time for Argentina to give up the illegitimate sovereignty claim and move on:
Nov 04th, 2016 - 10:52 am - Link - Report abuse +3https://www.academia.edu/27599163/Argentinas_Illegitimate_Sovereignty_Claims_V2
The truth is out there.
Interesting, if you just change a few words....
Nov 04th, 2016 - 11:58 am - Link - Report abuse +33) I repeat.., only the direct wishes of the Falkland Islanders can be used to exercise their right to self determination
Not the wishes of the Argentinian Government or their local representatives in Tierra del Fuego
...And certainly not the wishes of an anonymous MercoPress poster that calls himself “Think”..
There that is better....
What are your thoughts about inadvertently digging up a dead soldier when the family of said soldier wanted him to remain in peace in his grave? Surely ALL the families must agree for the exhumation of all the dead for the process to go ahead. I for one would want my son or daughter to remain undisturbed.
Nov 04th, 2016 - 01:51 pm - Link - Report abuse +4THINK(NABISIMO)
Nov 04th, 2016 - 04:55 pm - Link - Report abuse +1The only times when the Falklands/Malvinas have been “occupied”(by foreign interests) has been in the 1820s and then briefly in 1982. Please refrain from your fairy stories, myths, lies and erroneous interpretations of historical events.
THE FALKLANDS/MALVINAS ARCHIPELAGO HAS NEVER BEEN ARGENTINE TERRITORY NOR, INDEED, WILL IT EVER BE ARGENTINE TERRITORY.
Saludos.
Wrong - GIGANTISMO NABISMO! Probably resident in damp western Scotland and not welcome at tbe Combined Services.
Nov 04th, 2016 - 05:55 pm - Link - Report abuse +2The Falkland Islanders - their country, their home, their agreement needed.. Sorry Stink you know nuuuuthing…
Think, yes my neck is indeed there! Guess you are now clear that there are 3 Govts involved - ICRC make that very very clear in the article.
Nov 04th, 2016 - 10:23 pm - Link - Report abuse +3Yes- choice of reburial or relocation should be 100% with the family. The upset here is caused by those illiterate visitors who wave their blue and white flags about all over the place. The respectful visiting Arg Veterans don't - and many are disgusted by the antics of their compatriots.
But the benefit of Brexit will mean no more Brussels tripe on Human Rights for others and we are looking forward to then being able to draft our own Law making it an offence to bring into the Islands or have in your posesion here the national flag of a state that claims our sovereignty.
Islander1
Nov 04th, 2016 - 11:04 pm - Link - Report abuse -4You say...:
“But the benefit of Brexit will mean no more Brussels tripe on Human Rights for others and we are looking forward to then being able to draft our own Law making it an offence to bring into the Islands or have in your posesion here the national flag of a state that claims our sovereignty.”
I say...:
You should seek professional legal counselling from one of them Engrish superheads..., Islander1
Such a Draconian regulation would be in direct contravention of applicable British law...
And..., as we all now, you Kelpers are administered and ruled by British law...
Think(Nabísimo)
Nov 05th, 2016 - 06:45 am - Link - Report abuse +2So what? There are many countries worldwide who depend on ENGLISH Common Law for their legal systems. I believe you will find that many states of the USA rely on English Common Law for their jurisdictions.
Meanwhile, even Argentina has lauded the Magna Carta!
Addendum...
Nov 05th, 2016 - 10:10 am - Link - Report abuse -4And..., as we all now..., you Kelpers are administered and ruled by British law..., dealt by British judges..., residing in the UK...
So,... forget all about that “ Flag Portation Ban” of yours..., me dear Kelper foe...
Falklands MLAs will be involved with the negotiations. We want the wishes of the NoK to be observed and nothing else. It is Argentina that has tried to use this cemetery for leverage over the years, not us.
Nov 05th, 2016 - 10:52 am - Link - Report abuse +3As for your post above, you know it is not all correct but for the benefit of others in the highly unlikely event that one of them mistakes your post as factual: Not all British law applies here and we are not administered by British law (whatever that means). Our Chief Magistrate who is appointed by us and paid for by us lives in the U.K. but that make sense since he is usually only required to sit in judgement a handful of times per year.
We have our own elected legislative assembly of 8. The Governor is an FCO-appointed post from the UK but does not administer us. The UK Government is responsible for the defence and foreign diplomacy of all British Overseas Territories. The only reason our defence burden is higher that the other OTs is because Argentina is an aggressive bully.
The British OT of the Turks and Caicos Islands has be under administration by the U.K. for about 10 years now. Perhaps that's what you meant by “administered by British law” but a quick look at TCI would tell you that what is happening there at present bares no resemblance to the way we are governed in the Falklands.
Try as you might Think, the Union flag still flies over our beautiful shores. Please pass my regards to the rest of your fictitious personas from Mercopress gone by. Especially DoD; you know how much I appreciated the lengths you went to to fabricate a bio for that nasty little piece of shit.
I can confirm that British laws do not automatically apply to the Falkland Islands; or indeed to any other BOT. As usual, Think's sources are the voices in his head.
Nov 05th, 2016 - 11:56 am - Link - Report abuse +3@ Roger Lawton
Nov 05th, 2016 - 12:06 pm - Link - Report abuse +3Does the UK Human Rights Act apply to BOTs? Leaving the EU doesn't remove that (and I hope we keep it anyway, though I know May wanted to get rid of it before she became PM).
Think must be trying hard to find something else to put in his next addendum. It's gone very quiet, maybe he can't find anything.....
Nov 05th, 2016 - 06:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Mr. Lorton
Nov 05th, 2016 - 10:15 pm - Link - Report abuse -2As usual with you me dear copper, the devil is in the detail...
What you can confirm is that not all British laws automatically apply to the Falkland Islands...
They may surely differ in their parking fines, urinal instalation heights and such...
But anything of substance follows British law 100% ..
Don't be modest now...
We know you are quite versed in The Law...
What' s your expert opinion about the chances of such a flag ban to be condoned by a British judge...?
Sock puppet just above...
...“James Marshall” today... “Greener Grass” yesterday... “Buzzaw” the day before...
How pathetic can you be?
Think- as others have pointed out to you- you are in error. UK Law does not always apply in the Islands - only where it is passed into law by our elected Legislature.
Nov 05th, 2016 - 11:09 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Some parts of UK common law are specifically disallowed in the Islands. In many many cases they are quite altered to suit the realities and life of the Islands.
We have some laws that would indeed raise eyebrows if proposed in UK. Our Prohibition list being one.
Assuming UK leaves EU it may or may or may not decide to ditch the EU Human Rights Act- even if it does decide to keep it as British Law - the Islands do not have to keep it all if we so choose,unlike EU laws which we were stuck with.No Br Govt is likley to refuse the royal assent to such a law as I suggested - it is an internal affair.
Currently we have to put up with your lunatics waving all sorts of defaced coloured rags about our homeland, and because our Att, General is scared and wants a clean sheet to his name for his future promotion elsewhere when his contract ends, he over-rules every case that comes his way from our Police when they feel a line has been crossed and we locals have made a justifiable complaint.
But I can see that changing in a couple of years - even if the Att. General does not change.
Meanwhile of course your more respectable, civilised and respectful veterans are welcome to come and will remain so.
Greener grass? Buzzsaw, yes, and?
Nov 06th, 2016 - 11:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0I said I was changing my screen name from buzzsaw to my own name ....gee that is really underhand eh. Oh that's right, because you said I was Skip along with your mate Voice..... So I have had two screen names, what is your point? Or are you deflecting again, now that would be pathetic.
Think - British Judges are there to uphold the law. Provided that a law has been properly promulgated and all the requirements met, then a Judge has no power to deny it unless it clashes with some superior law - which should not be the case if the relevant law was properly considered and properly worded.
Nov 06th, 2016 - 10:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There are already rules relative to the flying/waving of flags in the UK and there is no reason that I am aware of, given the peculiar circumstances of the Falklands, whereby a law banning the provocative flying/waving of the Argentine flag could not be perfectly good law in the Islands.
As with all controls however, it is the method of enforcement that creates difficulties, particularly if the process is time consuming. If there was such a law on the Falklands, I would suggest a fixed penalty/on the spot fine system as the only one which avoids having to detain the villains longer that would be desirable. The people so fined would then be able to submit an appeal in writing and/or appear on a future given date.
I am a little surprised that the Public Order Acts are not available for use by the local Constabulary.... at least, I assume that they are not as there seems to be no use of them. Laws are useless unless there is some will to enforce them.
TWIMC
Nov 07th, 2016 - 12:11 am - Link - Report abuse -2I'm looking forward to read in the papers about them Kelpers legislating against the FN, EU & UK human rights act...
I'm looking forward to read in the papers about them Kelper coppers arresting Argentinean citizens refusing to pay a fine for wearing light blue & white T-Shirts...
Chuckle chuckle...
I too look forward to a few arrests, just to deter the other idiots.
Nov 07th, 2016 - 01:07 am - Link - Report abuse +3Yeahhhh.... me dear Engrish copper...
Nov 07th, 2016 - 11:33 am - Link - Report abuse -3Enjoying the free hospitality of the cozy & newly inaugurated Malvinas prision..., four rich meals a day..., three ore more smokos a day..., brushing up their Engrish language... and being front page news in the world's newspapers will surely deter them...
Chuckle chuckle...
Front page news world-wide? My, but we are getting above ourselves.....
Nov 07th, 2016 - 11:16 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Anything related to HMG policing the world, automatically deserves world-wide front pages...
Nov 07th, 2016 - 11:24 pm - Link - Report abuse -4Any haughty Engrishman knows that..., laddie...
Even you...
They wouldn't waste the judicial system on such matters in Argentina would they think. No sir, those tough, brave 40 year old Bad Grapes veterans would sort it out like proper men. Just ask the Top Gear animals. :-)
Nov 07th, 2016 - 11:48 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Jo Bloggs...
Nov 08th, 2016 - 12:05 am - Link - Report abuse -4You say...:
Just ask the Top Gear animals. :-)
I say...:
Mr. Clarkson, Mr. Hammond and Mr. May may have been a bit rude and undiplomatic with their hosts during their last visit to Argentina but I Think you are going too far calling that funny Top Gear Trio for...“Animals”...
Dream on Think, dream on .......... :-)
Nov 08th, 2016 - 12:16 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Well, Mr. Lorton
Nov 08th, 2016 - 03:47 pm - Link - Report abuse -3At least it seems that that bright Engrish copper mind of yours has finally comprehended that Engrish arrests of Argentinean activists in Malvinas would be as effective a deterrent as Engrish threats to carpet bomb them bonnie Alba patriotic heroes with Arbroath smokies, Porridge & Uisge and Cranachans....
A comfy jail? I heard that the Lady Elizabeth in Whalebone Cove will be their destination. Fed on boiled seaweed and molluscs. 12 hours a day unpaid de-rusting duties too.
Nov 08th, 2016 - 04:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Chuckle chuckle
TWIMC
Nov 08th, 2016 - 05:49 pm - Link - Report abuse -3Just some Brutish Pirate Oil Adventure in the South Atlantic freshy-fresh todays news that neither Penguin News nor MercoPress seem interested in propagate...:
1) It has been confirmed today that Noble Energy is abandoning all their engagements in the South Falklands/Malvinas bassin...
2) Premier Oil shares lost today a whopping 11.44% of their value...!
http://www.londonstockexchange.com/exchange/prices-and-markets/stocks/summary/company-summary/GB00B43G0577GBGBXSSMM.html?lang=en
3) Rockhopper Exploitation shares have historically bottomed today at 23,25 pennies = -5.10% !!!
http://www.londonstockexchange.com/exchange/prices-and-markets/stocks/summary/company-summary/GB00B43G0577GBGBXSSMM.html?lang=en
Three nice & long nails in the Engrish South Atlantic Economic Coffin...
Think
Nov 08th, 2016 - 11:12 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Be a good sport and provide a link to your item number 1 so we can all share the news.
The truth is out there, Jo...
Nov 08th, 2016 - 11:33 pm - Link - Report abuse -2DYOR
:-)))
That's the link I thought you'd send.
Nov 09th, 2016 - 12:07 am - Link - Report abuse +2You do realise your doctor can prescribe something for impotence don't you. Not sure what he can do about your inability to tell the truth though.
Silly old fool.
All? I heard it was “one well” Think ........ you drinking again?
Nov 09th, 2016 - 12:16 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Mr. Lorton
Nov 09th, 2016 - 03:47 pm - Link - Report abuse -2Nope... Just teasing Kelper Jo...
And..., as you can see..., it works ;-)))
Besides..., laddie...
Noble Energy abandoning their ONE engagement in the South Falklands/Malvinas bassin...is the same as Noble Energy abandoning all their engagements in the South Falklands/Malvinas bassin...
Isn't it...?
Think- had you not noticed that shares went down across the board - all shares- a bloke called Trump won an election - ring a bell?
Nov 09th, 2016 - 09:27 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Noble - who knows what they might do when oil gets back up over $70-80 a barrel.
Until then nobody is likely to be doing anything much. Does not bother us here - our economy fine without oil- will be nice when it comes - as one day it will.
Islander1
Nov 09th, 2016 - 10:06 pm - Link - Report abuse -2Mr. Trump was elected today......, another 9.11 for this poor world...
The Noble shares price fall happened the 8.11, also yesterday...
Nothing to do with Mr. Trump election as President...
Or with sweet Faith's high blood sugar...
By the way...., as things are evolving with the oil industry..., the climate change and the new technologies...I would dare to wager the 226 pesos in me wallet that the Malvinas Oil (as much of the new Oil discovered in Patagonia) will stay underground for at least a couple of billion years more...
Praised be God....
Oh Think you big tease! There I was thinking you were serious...I mean a man with your credibility and natural air of authority and all...
Nov 10th, 2016 - 12:51 am - Link - Report abuse +1Don't worry you silly old fool. One day we'll see that oil whether you try to stop it (by being a multi-named keyboard warrior) or not. In the meantime, as Islander 1 says, our economy is fine just the way it is.
Ps. Please keep sending those tax cheques. ;-))
Chuckle chuckle.
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