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Esteche: if a judge orders CFK's arrest he might end up dead

Tuesday, November 8th 2016 - 06:38 UTC
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La Plata Prosecutor Marcelo Romero Monday filed charges Monday against Fernando Esteche for public intimidation, following the Quebracho picket grouping leader's radio statement where he warned that if any judge should order the arrest of former President Cristina Fernandez he could “end up dead”. Read full article

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  • tallison46

    All judges need protection in this day and age!

    Nov 08th, 2016 - 12:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marti Llazo

    “....to send out a mafia-style message...”

    How very argentine.

    So this guy is a convicted felon, unabashed Marxist, and they have him teach for a princely sum of public monies at a national university here.

    How very argentine.

    Nov 08th, 2016 - 12:37 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Pontefractious

    Sounds just like something our Donald would say. But then of course he would walk it back saying “come on guys - you can't believe I was serious. Can't you take a joke ?”

    Nov 08th, 2016 - 12:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Zaphod102

    So he threatens another Nisman! Why would he do that unless he knew that Nisman was murdered? I think he should be brought in for extended questioning.

    Nov 08th, 2016 - 06:39 pm - Link - Report abuse +3
  • ChrisR

    Bersa will be on overtime soon making as many 0.22rf lr pistolas as they can to satisfy demand.

    Looks like this guy needs a 9mm injection himself, just to calm him down.

    :o)

    Nov 08th, 2016 - 06:47 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • DemonTree

    I really hope you're being ironic...

    Nov 08th, 2016 - 10:07 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Marti Llazo

    Looks as though Esteche has probably violated the terms of his probation (for his previous crimes) and there is speculation that his probation (“libertad condicional”) might be revoked. That probation, to get Esteche out of prison, was the result of heavy pressure from the Kirchner government, which has a close alliance with the Quebracho organisation and benefits from their hooliganism. I see in the recent reports here that there is a prosecutor trying to get an order for a psychological examination of Esteche.

    Nov 09th, 2016 - 02:01 am - Link - Report abuse +1
  • ChrisR

    @ DemonTree
    “I really hope you're being ironic...”

    Not really, but your comment shows that you really do not understand the terrible situation that genuine Argentines, like my friends and his family, are living under.

    There are 14M Peronist / K sympathisers who would stop at nothing to get TMBOA back in power just to get the 'free money' up and running again.

    You have to realise how cowardly these Peronista /Ks are when faced with a really strong adversary: they run away and hide.

    Macri will not be able to tackle it soon but there are a number of ways of dealing with it, one of which won't be acceptable to you but would work in the real world the real world the rest of us live in down here.

    Nov 09th, 2016 - 06:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    @ ChrisR
    Apparently you don't realise the irony of threatening to shoot a man who has just been arrested for giving death threats.

    I'm not seeing so much difference between the two of you right now. You admit there are a number of ways of dealing with it, then advocate using the most morally reprehensible. Although your ends are different, both you and Esteche seem to believe you are justified in using violence to achieve them.

    Nov 10th, 2016 - 11:49 pm - Link - Report abuse -2
  • ChrisR

    @ DemonTree

    Why do you persist in misunderstand what I am posting?

    I thought you understood the situation of 14M thugs and scum and their combined effect on the country? It seems you cannot differentiate between the 'rightful shot' and a criminal one.

    Look as this man's criminal record FFS and try putting yourself in the position my Argentine friends are in.

    Nov 11th, 2016 - 12:46 pm - Link - Report abuse -2
  • ElaineB

    Wow! ChrisR thinks if he kills someone it is justified because it is him doing the executing.

    @ Demon Tree This is why they took his guns away from him.

    Nov 11th, 2016 - 08:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    @ ChrisR
    No, I understand you perfectly. Your idea of 'rightful' is any action done by some person or group you agree with, and the criminal one is the very same action done by some group or person you dislike.

    According to this article, his criminal record consists of property damage during a demonstration. Not a crime deserving of the death penalty in any country I have ever heard of.

    The fact you describe 14m people as thugs and scum says a lot more about you than about them. Those people are genuine Argentines who are entitled to vote for whoever they feel best represents them - that's democracy. You are an immigrant in the country next door who is threatening to shoot people because he doesn't like the way they run their country. That sounds like something a thug would do to me.

    Nov 12th, 2016 - 10:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    @ ElaineB and DemonTree

    At least DT has an excuse for his super-sensitive love of the scum of Argentina whilst EB is supposed to have lived in the country and should know better.

    For both of you: a 'rightful shot' is done by those with the authority to do so of which there are many in Argentina (and Uruguay), not me!

    EB continues to get her knickers twisted around her head (apologies for the mind vision_ when it comes to firearms. Keep lying, we know you will never change. 55,000 shooters in the UK had their legally held short barreled firearms taken off them, it wasn't just me you stupid, scared, female.

    Just to explain why murder in Uruguay is carried out without any forethought by the robbo's, et al.

    In 2015 - 2016 (figures just released late by the Broad Fraud) the average sentence for murder is: EIGHT YEARS. Just slightly more than robbing a house without a murder, so basically there is no real penalty for killing someone.

    I know that you cannot comprehend the real world down here, I had a big wake-up call to it but I am not going to disclose why that was.

    DT, are you sure you are not EB's brother?

    Nov 12th, 2016 - 06:56 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • DemonTree

    @ ChrisR
    Lol @ super-sensitive. Given who else you have called scum I am comfortable not trusting your judgement on this.

    “A 'rightful shot' is done by those with the authority to do so”

    No, that's not good enough. Who has the authority? Did the Junta in Argentina have the authority to decide who should die? They obviously thought so.

    And am I to suppose you think anyone with 'authority' can kill anyone, at any time, for any reason? That seems to be what you are saying.

    Normally people think only a limited number of crimes (if any) deserve the death penalty.

    “Disagreeing with ChrisR on how best to run the country” is not considered by any sane person to be one of them. Nor is property damage and death threats.

    As for Uruguay, if you had posted “Murderers in Uruguay should serve more than 8 years on average,” then I promise I would have agreed with you, and I suspect ElaineB would have too.

    If you would propose sensible measures like that then I would have no problem with you. But instead it seems you want to violently overthrow the elected government, making you no better than the Tupas you so despise.

    Nov 12th, 2016 - 09:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @DT

    ChrisR hasn't even been to Argentina but forms his opinion from hearsay and tabloid newspapers. I am guessing as long as it feeds his well of hatred, facts don't matter.

    He also led the protest against the changes to gun laws after Dunblane (At least he told us he was one of the expert witnesses). For some reason he thinks his need for lethal weapons is more important than the will of the majority. Thank goodness we had a majority of intelligent people and there have been no school shootings since. We are not, nor never will be, a gun culture in the U.K.

    So, when ChrisR lost his right to a gun and had to fall back on his 'razor-sharp flick knife' for protection, he left the country in a huff. He is still fuming about it. What he cannot see is that even without the gun law changes he would have lost his right to a gun simply based on the murderous posts he makes on social media. He is not mentally fit to own one in the U.K. and quite right too. Anyone with such a narcissistic personality who would dispense with the justice system and mete out punishment 'just because he thinks it is right' should never be allowed to own any weapons.

    It was my support of the changes to gun laws that started ChrisR's obsession with me. I dared to disagree with him and he cannot cope with that. He is a prime example of why we needed the changes and why it would have been dangerous to allow him to own a gun in the U.K.

    Nov 14th, 2016 - 11:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    @ DT and EB
    DT

    Think what you will, you have not lived in a country where routine murders are done by house burglars, even in broad daylight. But, that is what is happening now and is increasing by 50% per annum in some areas.

    But why let facts get in the way of what you 'think'? BTW 8 years is the average for murder and 80% of murders are done by males < 39 years old, 60% by < 29 years old and 50% by < 19 years old. These are the Broad Fraud's own figures for 2015 / 2016, just released.

    “But instead it seems you want to violently overthrow the elected government, making you no better than the Tupas you so despise.”

    Putting words into my mouth again: keep going you will be lying as much as EB soon.

    EB
    ”ChrisR hasn't even been to Argentina but forms his opinion from hearsay (wrong, from my next door neighbours and their extended family) and tabloid newspapers.(yes I occasionally read Clarin).

    “I am guessing as long as it feeds his well of hatred, facts don't matter”

    You have only been guessing about things on MP for all the time you have been here and you are abysmal at it. Please don't confuse me with your own twisted childhood. 'Standing up to men' as your mother taught you has just alienated you from 50% of the population and made you into a neurotic personality. Any male who dares to mention your body sends you into a ranting fit.

    It was and is still your sanctimonious lying attitude that makes me defend myself against you. YOU are unable to even acknowledge the validity or truth of anything I post. It's that old adage “liars always think everybody else is lying” that catches you out every time. You just cannot, nor will ever, help yourself out of it.

    Now don't forget to put this in your evidence book that you are keeping on me, you ridiculous, pathetic female.

    “He is not mentally fit to own one in the U.K. and quite right too.” Now you are a psychiatrist then? More like a permanent patient of one, and that's not going too well is it?

    Nov 14th, 2016 - 05:59 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • ElaineB

    @ ChrisR

    You didn't actually disagree with anything I wrote about you. You can't because all of it is based on the information you have posted here. You are quite the blabbermouth. Whereas you have to make up nonsense about me because you don't have any real information about me. To you I am an amalgam of all your issues with women projected for everyone to see.

    If you are living in a country where 'routine murders are done by house burglars, even in broad daylight.' why on earth don't you take your wife to a safe country like England? Why endanger her life just so you can feel financially superior to the 'stinking poor', as you call them. Surely a life is more precious than your need to feel superior.

    I am curious, why have you never explored that magnificent continent of South America? All that beauty on you doorstep and you sit in front of your computer spewing bile all day.

    Nov 14th, 2016 - 07:03 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • DemonTree

    @ ChrisR
    “Think what you will, you have not lived in a country where routine murders are done by house burglars, even in broad daylight.”

    Indeed not, and the fact that guns are banned here in Britain is one of the reasons for that.

    I don't dispute your facts, and I agree the UYU government could and should do more.

    But you still haven't answered my question. Is it one law for us, and another for them? Or can you actually list the crimes you think should be punishable by death? Can you tell us under what circumstances it is okay for the police to use lethal force?

    As for putting words into your mouth, here are a few of your own words:

    “What I am waiting for is a vaccine to prevent commie Marxist bastards infesting the governments of SA!

    The eradication of the present outbreaks could be simply achieved by administrating a 9mm injection horizontally from the front into the nasal cavity and the vaccine would prevent future infestations.”

    “ALL Marxists of any age unless they have irrevocably renounced their beliefs should be subject to the 9mm 'head injection' treatment ASAP. That alone would solve many of the problems in SA.”

    ”'No Money Pepe' very often boasts that the Policia shot him SIX times and he never died (unlike the those that his seditious, murdering Tupas, killed in cold blood).

    They need to make another attempt only this time use proper cartridges, not blanks.”

    Luckily, unlike with Esteche no one is likely to be inspired to carry out your suggestions.

    Nov 14th, 2016 - 10:04 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • ChrisR

    @ DT
    “ALL Marxists of any age unless they have irrevocably renounced their beliefs should be subject to the 9mm 'head injection' treatment ASAP. That alone would solve many of the problems in SA.”

    You do realise that it would be far less painful than what the Marxists have doe to anybody who is NOT a Marxist, don't you?

    I stand by every word about Pepe, as many of his own supporters who voted for him would now: they are furious that his actions whilst in office are likely to lead to the Broad Fraud being out of office at the next elections.

    Of course, now he is closer to death than he was Pepe has 'generously' announced that he 'regrets' the murders he carried out and apologises to the relatives of the deceased (he should have said 'the mudered'). So that's alright then. NOT.

    His harridan of a wife is even worse. At the election when Vasquez scraped in she threatened to 'get the people out on the street and fix it'. I imagine there are a few people waiting with the rope: it will happen one day.

    They have actually LOST their majority due to another puissant fraction that makes up this shit pile has finally had enough and announced he is withdrawing his members form voting with the rest of the BF! And his name: Mujica (no relative of the arsehole).

    Pepe spends virtually all of his time outside the country nowadays but still cannot stop putting both feet in his mouth when he goes on the radio or TV to the discomfort of Vasquez.

    The BF are looking like this:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUq78YrKwxY

    Pepe is the grey one.

    Sitting as you do some thousands of miles away it is easy to pontificate how you would deal with this in the western Liberal manner: just say there, there, and pat them on the back. The only think is of course while you are patting them on the back you would feel a funny sensation - in your gut: it would be a cheap, rusty version of something like this-

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUq78YrKwxY

    You would die, of course.

    Nov 15th, 2016 - 05:48 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • ElaineB

    ChrisR, you are totally raving bonkers. Do you foam at the mouth when you type this bile?

    What pleases me most, apart from your unabashed display of your complete mental deterioration, is that you left the U.K. in a huff only to find yourself in a much worse situation. You deserve it.

    Why not take your wife home to a safe country where she can be close to her grandchild and you can get the help you need?

    Nov 15th, 2016 - 07:55 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • DemonTree

    @ ChrisR
    “You do realise that it would be far less painful than what the Marxists have doe to anybody who is NOT a Marxist, don't you?”

    Apparently it has been so painful that the 'Marxist' Broad Front have been voted into power continuously since 2004. What year did you move to Uruguay? It seems you either moved to a country already ruled by socialists, or it has never been bad enough in 12 years to actually make you leave. That makes your complaints rather unconvincing.

    Who put you in charge of deciding what is best for Uruguay anyway? They have elections for that, if people don't like what the FA are doing, they can vote them out, and I suspect they will at the next elections.

    If you get to decide who should be running the country, and who should die, why shouldn't I? I absolutely believe that Brexit will be a disaster for the UK. Does that make it okay for me to say all the Brexiters should be shot for the good of the country, and that it's such a pity Farage didn't die in that plane crash?

    As for dealing with it in the Western Liberal manner, do you mean by putting murderers in jail for 17 years on average, followed by a lifetime on probation? With a whole life order for the most serious offenders? The harsh sentences for those caught in possession of a firearm? The police who have foiled 10 terrorist attacks in the last two years? It seems pretty effective to me, no back patting required.

    Besides, you've said before you thought the police in the UK should have assassinated people they only suspected of being terrorists, with no trial. So it's not like you really make any distinction between Britain and Uruguay.

    By the way, you can only include 1 working link per comment in the new Mercopress, and your video is blocked in the UK on copyright grounds.

    Nov 15th, 2016 - 08:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    @ DT

    Ask your buddy EB she should be able to tell you when I arrived here if you have not read a recent post that it was 66 months ago.

    “The police who have foiled 10 terrorist attacks in the last two years?”

    Do you REALLY believe that? Have a close look at what happened and who put out the claims.

    The police have allowed themselves to become politicised and have been reduced because of it.

    “Does that make it okay for me to say all the Brexiters should be shot for the good of the country?”

    Say what you like it really doesn't bother me because I know you for what you are.

    Take a look at the post by LuisM on the “ANCAP's Carboclor sinks deeper, goes after sale or merger” by MP.

    “Apparently it has been so painful that the 'Marxist' Broad Front have been voted into power continuously since 2004.”

    Tabare Vasquez was the first BF President and 'ruled' over Uruguay from 1 March 2005 – 1 March 2010, a period of prosperity for all of SA, a boom time if you like, and the international reports I read before we came here were glowing with what he had 'achieved'.

    The problem with these reports (and I should have realised it) is they knew nothing about Uruguay and why should they, the population then was even less than now

    Nov 16th, 2016 - 01:35 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • DemonTree

    @ ChrisR
    “Say what you like it really doesn't bother me because I know you for what you are.”

    What, someone who believes in democracy and the rule of law? Who thinks their allies should follow the same rules as their opponents? Someone who agrees with you that 8 years is too short a sentence for murder?

    I'm really not some strawman version of a liberal who wants to hug criminals.

    I simply believe that political problems have political solutions. Didn't the dictatorship in Uruguay try hard to eliminate the socialists by force? Ditto in Argentina and Brazil? They tortured them, they killed them, they put them in jail. Did it work? No - the FA are in power right now.

    But, will they be after the next election? If they are as bad as you and LuisM say, then they will get voted out, and won't be voted in again. Don't you think seeing the current state of Venezuela is a better deterrent from Communism than all the repression of the past? Now people can see with their own eyes that it doesn't work.

    Only when leaders abandon democracy and refuse to give up power, like Maduro, does it become reasonable to use force to remove them.

    About you moving to Uruguay, I can understand you didn't know so much about the country before you moved there, and of course you may have changed your opinion of the government due to personal experience. But most of the citizens disagreed with you at the last election and chose Vasquez. If you want to live in a democracy, you just have to put up with it when the 'wrong' people get voted in.

    Nov 16th, 2016 - 07:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    @ DemonTree

    Thank you for your lucid post and your attempt at understanding the politics of Uruguay.

    The only reason 'most citizens' voted BF is not because they agree with the politics but because they get as much money from 'Pepe's Bolsa' to help them 'because they are poor', but of course they have never worked!. A Uruguayo Area Manager for Movistar, who is a friend of mine, tells me that she barely gets more top line, but she has to pay tax on it, so she gets less.

    Now why did these stinking poor want to stay that way before Pepe's Bolsa? My friends tell me that it is how they were brought up and they like the fact they leave school at 15 (the special permission is ALWAYS given because they disrupt the students and the classes) and like their parents they NEVER work in a real job. Pepe's money allows them to buy an LED TV (I have seen that for myself), smoke their heads off, but not to 'waste' 15 pesos (38 pence) on a bar of soap, and I have SMELT them for myself.

    There were 1.4M of these deadbeats and their children. To get the scheme through the opposition Pepe had to agree to put a condition on receiving the money. Those with children had to send them to school or lose the bolsa. Good old Pepe though! He set up an office especially to monitor the situation and in the three years until Vasquez took over guess how many lost the bolsa: NONE.

    Vasquez replaced the dead-heads that Pepe stuffed the office with and made it a requirement that they report to him, each quarter, on the results of the checks. After the first quarter, 50,000 were removed from the free money.

    Now ask yourself the old question: do turkeys vote for Christmas. These turkeys vote BF!

    The scrape through this last election, puts defeat in view. More corruption by the BF is being exposed, the immense increase across the country in crimes against the person, many involving serious harm or death to the victims, that those who could not be bothered to vote will do so in March 2020.

    Nov 17th, 2016 - 11:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marti Llazo

    Looks as though there is a move afoot to remove the convicted criminal Esteche from his highly paid position as instructor at the Universidad de La Plata.

    The question remains, why do Argentine universities install convicted violent felons as professors?

    Ah, it is the very apex of Argentinidad.

    ' Piden el juicio académico a Fernando Esteche para expulsarlo de la Universidad de La Plata
    Lo acusan de incumplir los deberes de un docente, “deshonestidad intelectual”, y la ejecución de “actos lesivos graves contra la ética universitaria”. '

    http://www.clarin.com/politica/Piden-Fernando-Esteche-Universidad-Plata_0_1688231269.html

    Maybe at some point there will be questions about what Esteche was doing in Iran, and what he knows about the murder of Nisman.

    Nov 17th, 2016 - 03:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @ ML

    “and what he knows about the murder of Nisman.”

    I always said it was the Iranians. Follow the money trail.

    Nov 17th, 2016 - 05:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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