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Malvinas is no impediment for dealing with UK, but “Islands population can't be denied”
The Malvinas sovereignty dispute should not be an impediment to advance in a pro-active agenda with the United Kingdom, and to progress in agreements to attract investors to Argentina, said foreign minister Susana Malcorra, who also admitted that it's not possible to deny the existence of the Malvinas inhabitants, “of which we have been distanced for too long”. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesWhat she's trying to say is that Argentina will lose opportunities it cannot reasonably afford to lose if it doesn't grow-up regards its attitude towards the Falkland Islands.
Nov 10th, 2016 - 08:31 am - Link - Report abuse +9What this MP article doesn't go as far to say is that the Argentine Government has confirmed that they will now recognise and deal with the Falkland Islands Government as of this week.
''Malcorra said that historically the Argentine position was not to acknowledge for this case in particular the “self determination of peoples”, because 'kelpers' (Falkland Islanders) are a transplanted population, not aborigine...''
Nov 10th, 2016 - 10:02 am - Link - Report abuse +8Ha ha
Article 49, Para 6 of the Fourth Genevan Convention of 1949 is the legislation that refers to Implanted Populations. Article 2 regarding the application of the Fourth Geneva Convention states, ‘In addition to the provisions which shall be implemented in peacetime, the present Convention shall apply to all cases of declared war or any other armed conflict’ and article 153 ‘coming into force’ – the present Convention shall come into force six months after ratification (21 October 1950). In reference to the treaty application, the ICJ Ambatielos judgment dealt with retroactive effects of treaties and stated, ‘all provisions of the Treaty shall come into force immediately upon ratification. Such a conclusion might have been rebutted if there had been any special clause or any special object necessitating retroactive interpretation. There is no such clause or object in the present case. It is therefore impossible to hold that any of its provisions must be deemed to have been in force earlier.’
The whole mythical Malvinas claim is fraudulent and based around denying rights and a false inheritance claim.
The concept that Argentina had inherited the Falkland Islands from Spain is false. The law of the time did not accept inheritance without settlement and stated that 'an unopposed settlement of some years was necessary” before sovereignty was accepted. (The Law of Nations, Vattel, Cpt XI, p337) Vernet had sought acquiescence from the British consul in Buenos Aires on two occasions before establishing “his” colonies and the British protested when he was appointed military and political governor by the BA. Authorities. Jewett had no settlement. There is ample evidence that this has been the mode of applying / not applyin
The truth will out!
Nov 10th, 2016 - 10:28 am - Link - Report abuse +5Cont: There is ample evidence that this has been the mode of applying / not applying UPJ over the past 150 years:
Nov 10th, 2016 - 10:31 am - Link - Report abuse +5https://www.academia.edu/28967823/Falklands_Uti_Possidetis_Juris
She does not look like an Aborigine to me - nor does Macri - have not seen a pic of Think - but maybe they had all better bugger of from Argentina - the land they implanted themselves in at the expense of the indigenous peoples.
Nov 10th, 2016 - 12:49 pm - Link - Report abuse +6Sauce for the Goose - also fits the Gander.
Surely a transplanted population can only be transplanted if their place of birth is where they were transplanted from. So this means that Vernet's settlers apart from the few born on the Falkland Islands were also transplanted. With the nationality base being South American, German (Vernet's preferred settlers), French, Jamaican, Scottish, English, Irish and some from the USA. Hardly a totally UP derived population. Also, as Britain still claimed the Falkland Islands at the time I cannot see how the claim could be solely that of the United Provinces of the River Plate. So the UP claim was contested by Great Britain at the time, but Argentina deny the British claim at the time. Since 1833 the Argentines have claimed the Islands (on and off) whilst the UK occupies. Therefore, if the British claim was invalid up to 1833, using Argentine logic, their own claim since 1833 must also be invalid.
Nov 10th, 2016 - 01:19 pm - Link - Report abuse +5What part of British Falklands don't she understand,
Nov 10th, 2016 - 01:39 pm - Link - Report abuse +4the only thing getting in the way of argentines future is Argentine,
and yes she should grow up, leave the Falklands alone , and worry abt her own country.
”Malcorra said that historically the Argentine position was not to acknowledge for this case in particular the “self determination of peoples”, because 'kelpers' (Falkland Islanders) are a transplanted population, not aborigine“.
Nov 10th, 2016 - 01:49 pm - Link - Report abuse +4Hmmmm. Interesting concept. Using this logic that means that most of the citizens of the USA ”implanted” from various countries do not have the right to self-determination meaning that the election of Donald Trump must therefore be invalid.
Does HC know about this? Doesn't matter anyway because she's also an 'implant'.
Anglos are not concerned with fairness or consistency of their values. Their moral compass is severely erratic. Thus why Anglos can claim ONLY Argentines should vacate the American continent but all others in South, Central, and especially North America are not squatters and not bat an eyelash on the glaring hypocrisy. Thus they can also claim the Falklanders themselves are somehow saints from the Seraphim branch of heavenly guardians, without even a pregnant pause to consider how they exterminated a living creature, a unique mammal, in order to be able to remain in the Falklands by making the sheep industry viable.
Nov 10th, 2016 - 03:57 pm - Link - Report abuse -12In the world of Anglo values, everyone but them is guilty of crimes they themselves didn't never deny they did not commit.
“Thus why Anglos can claim ONLY Argentines should vacate the American continent but all others in South, Central, and especially North America are not squatters”
Nov 10th, 2016 - 04:19 pm - Link - Report abuse +10What a stupid comment. “Anglos” claim no such thing and respect the fact that Argentines are just as legitimate a people in SA as are Brazilians, Paraguayans, Canadians or whatever. That includes the Falkland Islanders.
But...
Argentines are clearly hypocrites when they claim that this right does not extend to the Falkland Islanders.
So your 'Anglo' statement is nonsense. We only say that “if you insist that Falklanders are squatters and shoudl vacate Latin America, then you are yourselves - by definition - squatters and should also vacate South America”.
Stop trying to claim people say something that they didn't say in the first place.
Weak trolling indeed. You'll have to up your game a bit there,
Surely another step in the right direction, obviously a limit to how far she can go at any one time, given the furore over the letter last time she/Macri took a step.
Nov 10th, 2016 - 04:29 pm - Link - Report abuse +6Interesting use of, “historically”, the Argentine position has been?
We shall soon see what the Malvinazi sect in Argentina have to say about this, really quite significant shift in the Argy Gov position.
Assuming it’s an accurate translation of what she said, that is.
@ToTaLLy_OfFMyTRoLLy_TrOll
Yeah right, of course you only exterminated the human population of a continent so you could graze your cattle.
Not like they were a “handful of savages”, was it, eh, eh, eh???
The UN believes self-determination applies to ‘implanted populations’ based on the Caribbean territories on the list of non-self-governing territories such as Anguilla where 90% of the population is descended from the Atlantic slave trade. Similarly, the British Virgin Islands, the American Virgin Islands, Turks and Caicos all have large black populations. The UN clearly believes that these territories have the right to self-determination as it did with the numerous Caribbean nations that achieved independence after WW2.
Nov 10th, 2016 - 04:30 pm - Link - Report abuse +7Hey, Malcorra is a good girl after all! Happy now?
Nov 10th, 2016 - 05:31 pm - Link - Report abuse -9“....said foreign minister Susana Malcorra, who also admitted that it's not possible to deny the existence of the Malvinas inhabitants, “of which we have been distanced for too long”.
Nov 10th, 2016 - 06:53 pm - Link - Report abuse +6At a conference on Argentine foreign policy at the Torcuato Di Tella University in Buenos Aires Malcorra insisted that focusing relations with the UK on the Malvinas issue is “a partial view”. Nevertheless Malvinas “is a clear sovereignty issue,.....”
Aside from historically innacurate, slightly contradictory, to say the least of it ; first gross mistake, calling the population of the Falkland's, “Malvinas inhabitants”, and second, insisting on the worn out mantra of “Nevertheless Malvinas “is a clear sovereignty issue,.....”
She should be told to go home, think it over , then start again.
And then, as if that weren't enough, she adds insult to injury, by saying ”because 'kelpers' (Falkland Islanders) are a transplanted population, not aborigine”.
Well, if that is what she believes, what are the Argentines ? mainly descendants of europeans (78,5%), what remains of the indigenous people (17.5%) and africans (4%), so how does that make them ”aborigenes', with the rights to Argentine territory ?
Troll boy
Nov 10th, 2016 - 07:26 pm - Link - Report abuse +6“ they exterminated a living creature, a unique mammal, in order to be able to remain in the Falklands by making the sheep industry viable.”
Your lot exterminated people...is your bleeding heart concerned about that ? Do you feel guilty ?
This is the list of endangered species in ARGENTINA
http://www.animalinfo.org/country/argentin.htm
How about unlimited duck shooting ?
http://www.animalinfo.org/country/argentin.htm
and the Puma?
All Argies lie just to get attention, I should know I married one but found it too difficult to keep track of all her falsehoods.
Nov 10th, 2016 - 10:01 pm - Link - Report abuse +5I've always said the Falklanders should stay where they are and live as they choose. No further dissection of what that statement means being necessary, since I mean every part of it.
Nov 10th, 2016 - 11:08 pm - Link - Report abuse -7Ah, the new UK and now the new US, the new partners in the revival of good old core values... like Anglo supremacism!
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/11/10/us/post-election-hate-crimes-and-fears-trnd/index.html
There are now more racially motivated crimes per capital in USA and UK in 2016 than in Germany, Russia, and Iran!!
“There are now more racially motivated crimes per capital in USA and UK in 2016 than in Germany, Russia, and Iran!!”
Nov 11th, 2016 - 07:12 am - Link - Report abuse +3Nabo - PROVE IT!
There is no such place as malvinas, so her whole story is just make believe.
Nov 11th, 2016 - 11:15 am - Link - Report abuse +3Malcorra sounds like an implanted name to me.
What a hypocrite from a nation of hypocrites.
Isolde
Nov 12th, 2016 - 06:40 am - Link - Report abuse -8By your logic there is no such place as Londres, right? I abhor the idea of ceding sovereignty of the Falkland(in English) Islands BUT, just as Londres is the name in Spanish for London, then Malvinas is the name for the British Falkland Islands in Spanish.
It's official, too! The multilingual United Nations refers to the archipelago as Malouines in French, for example
gordo1
Nov 12th, 2016 - 10:25 am - Link - Report abuse +3l am well aware that modern Spanish speakers refer to the Falklands as that despicable m-word.
However we find it extremely offensive.
And you will find on old South American maps that the islands are referred to as the llas Falklands.
“malvinas”is just in-your-face from stupid Argentinians & their supporters.
Isolde 'Malcorra sounds like an implanted name to me.'
Nov 12th, 2016 - 02:25 pm - Link - Report abuse +4Its spanish for Mad Cow..
CapiTrollism_is_back!!
Nov 12th, 2016 - 08:16 pm - Link - Report abuse +1I've always said the Falklanders should stay where they are and live as they choose. No further dissection of what that statement means being necessary, since I mean every part of it.
Liar, your nose is growing.
“Malcorra said that historically the Argentine position was not to acknowledge for this case in particular the “self determination of peoples”, because 'kelpers' (Falkland Islanders) are a transplanted population, not aborigine…”
Nov 13th, 2016 - 01:12 am - Link - Report abuse +4The descendants of the present-day Falkland Islanders were the original inhabitants -the aboriginal inhabitants. Malcorra and should stop lying and trying to have a bob each way on this issue.
Argentina’s position on the Falklands is immoral and a disgrace. If it is to make any progress in re-joining the civilised world, Argentina must stop trying to deny the legitimate historically and legal rights of the people of the Falkland Islands.
Briton
Nov 13th, 2016 - 02:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0In fairness to Nostrils, I have engaged with him on here for many years now and as far as I recall he has always maintained that we should be allowed to remain in the Falkland Islands.
Isolde
Nov 13th, 2016 - 07:52 am - Link - Report abuse -1Storm in a teacup!
The Argentine claim to sovereignty of the Falkland Islands is nonsense - fairy tales, myths, lies and false interpretations of historical events! But their name - Malvinas - for the islands is totally harmless.
You will next be protesting the fact that they should speak English JUST to accommodate you!
gordo1
Nov 13th, 2016 - 10:48 am - Link - Report abuse +2lt may be a storm in a teacup to you, but its highly offensive to us.
How do you know what l'll next be protesting?
l seem to remember you getting highly agitated when ChrisR & l said that we didn't agree with your religious beliefs.
Would you consider that a “storm in a tea cup”?
Are you just trying to score points?
Their name for the Falklands IS NOT totally harmless.
lts definitely provocative & in-your-face to us.
Anyway, l do not want to waste time arguing with you.
l.
Jo Bloggs
Nov 13th, 2016 - 08:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Fair enough .
Briton
Nov 13th, 2016 - 11:54 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Quite simple, the name Malvinas implies ownership and sovereignty. That is why the ARG. posters here use it as an insult.
Isolde
Nov 14th, 2016 - 06:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0I am as British as you are and, as I have said, I abhor the nonsense of the Argentine claim of sovereignty to the Falklands archipelago. The events of 1982 and subsequent behaviour of that nation towards the islanders cannot be forgiven.
BUT - the name of your territory in SPANISH is Malvinas - this applies to ALL Spanish speaking countries. Even Chile, Uruguay and Colombia, countries which are sympathetic towards you and only pay “lip service” to Argentina, call the islands MALVINAS.
Don't be such a delicate flower!
gordo1,
Nov 14th, 2016 - 11:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0You obviously have a problem in understanding the situation.
Lets leave it like that shall we?
l refuse to discuss this subject with you any longer.
You may reply or not, as you like but you will get no further replies from me.
Good day to you.
Isolde
Nov 14th, 2016 - 12:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“You obviously have a problem in understanding the situation.”
What a stupid remark! You haven't read a word of ”I am as British as you are and, as I have said, I abhor the nonsense of the Argentine claim of sovereignty to the Falklands archipelago. The events of 1982 and subsequent behaviour of that nation towards the islanders cannot be forgiven.'
I am not expecting a reply but your lack of education is appalling!
Clyde15
Nov 14th, 2016 - 07:48 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Thank for that information.
Isolde-According to googletranslate land in English =tierra in Spanish. Falk in English =falk in Spanish.
Nov 14th, 2016 - 11:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What about Islas Tierra del Falk?
Pete Bog - very droll! That should satisfy her!
Nov 15th, 2016 - 06:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0Pete Bog,
Nov 15th, 2016 - 09:11 am - Link - Report abuse -1Don't encourage the idiot.
Got his number now.
One of those people who will never admit that they are wrong.
ChrisR was right about him.
And initially l thought that Chris was being too harsh, lol.
And no, your phrase is NOT correct.
ln Spanish it should be “lslas Falklands”
Nothing else will do.
I prefer Islas Falkland
Nov 15th, 2016 - 01:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0From Wikipedia
Nov 15th, 2016 - 04:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Spanish name for the archipelago, Islas Malvinas, derives from the French Îles Malouines — the name given to the islands by French explorer Louis-Antoine de Bougainville in 1764. Bougainville, who founded the islands' first settlement, named the area after the port of Saint-Malo (the point of departure for his ships and colonists). The port, located in the Brittany region of western France, was in turn named after St. Malo (or Maclou), the Christian evangelist who founded the city
At the twentieth session of the United Nations General Assembly, the Fourth Committee determined that, in all languages other than Spanish, all UN documentation would designate the territory as Falkland Islands (Malvinas). In Spanish, the territory was designated as Islas Malvinas (Falkland Islands). The nomenclature used by the United Nations for statistical processing purposes is Falkland Islands (Malvinas).
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