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Falklands' dispute: “I can't see Trump reaching out to Argentina”
Argentina will never be able to reassert its sovereignty claims over the Falkland Islands under the watchful eye of Donald Trump who will back Britain, according to Ian Shields OBE, a leading academic and international relations lecturer at Anglia Ruskin University and former RAF Group Captain Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesI guess it bears repeating: Trump is an anglophile and in some odd way he considers the UK part of his flock.
Dec 01st, 2016 - 02:51 pm - Link - Report abuse -3Trump's probably worried that Mexico might claim that it inherited Texas & California from Spain.
Dec 01st, 2016 - 04:21 pm - Link - Report abuse +9Inheritance From Spain – Uti Possidetis Juris
The concept that Argentina had inherited the Falkland Islands from Spain is false. The law of the time did not accept inheritance without settlement and stated that 'an unopposed settlement of some years was necessary” before sovereignty was accepted. (The Law of Nations, Vattel, Cpt XI, p337) Vernet had sought acquiescence from the British consul in Buenos Aires on two occasions before establishing “his” colonies and the British protested when he was appointed military and political governor by the BA. Authorities. Jewett had no settlement. The concept of uti possidetis juris (inheritance of Spain) is only customary international law, applicable to those who choose to use it. Great Britain, France and Brazil have never opted to use uti possidetis juris and UPJ has “never” be used in “any” court or tribunal without the consent of both parties.
There is ample evidence that this has been the mode of applying / not applying UPJ over the past 150 years:
https://www.academia.edu/28967823/Falklands_Uti_Possidetis_Juris
Uhhhhh - can you say Alamo, British Bob?
Dec 01st, 2016 - 06:52 pm - Link - Report abuse -5Yeah Brit Bob, America stole those states fair and square!
Dec 01st, 2016 - 07:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Monkey, you are once again - like the ole bag - demonstrating your ignorance.
Dec 01st, 2016 - 07:51 pm - Link - Report abuse -6Texas seceded from Mexico and became an independent republic in 1836.
In 1845 the US annexed Texas.
Your depiction is reminiscent of rg and the malvinas.
@ Chronic
Dec 01st, 2016 - 08:53 pm - Link - Report abuse +5“Your depiction is reminiscent of rg and the malvinas.”
Sign. The joke doesn't work if you have to explain it.
Besides, are you going to tell me that California, New Mexico, Arizona, Nevada, and Utah all seceded from Mexico and then chose to join the USA?
And even apart from that, I think we all know whether or not the USA believes that states have the right to secede. I seem to recall you had a war about it.
Well, this is hardly surprising, if this guy gets paid for this kind of “prediction” I suggest he gets fired I can do a better job than he does.
Dec 01st, 2016 - 09:49 pm - Link - Report abuse -10The problem isn't the if the US supports the UK about the Falklands. The problem is thee UK and US will support each other in breaking every single international treaty, law, and convention, will support each in initiating wars of aggression, will support each other in engaging in acts of racism and discrimination of their own citizens, and will support each other in the trashing of any culture or idea that is not Anglo as automatically inferior.
Then when the chickens come to roost for their appalling behavior, they will wonder why everyone is out to get them.
Argentina is the only nation on this planet whose territory is 100% not stolen from any other nation. It did not annex anyone else's territories or go to war to get them. So any other country talking about this matter is completely devoid of moral standing to lecture Argentina.
@ Fidel_CasTroll
Dec 01st, 2016 - 10:46 pm - Link - Report abuse +7“Argentina is the only nation on this planet whose territory is 100% not stolen from any other nation.”
Your territory is as much stolen as New Zealand's and Australia's, in that it was taken from people who didn't have a flag or government. Does that make it okay?
Plus I think Imoyaro would disagree with you that none was taken from other nations. How did Misiones and Formosa come to be part of Argentina?
Lots of the countries decolonised after WWII have never changed their borders; they could all more truthfully make your claim and, apparently, come and lecture you.
As for Trump, I can't imagine he cares about the Falklands at all.
Monkey, it's impressive how you wallow in your ignorance and then feign a feeble excuse of humor in an unsuccessful attempt to deflect from the shame accruing to your being exposed.
Dec 01st, 2016 - 11:07 pm - Link - Report abuse -5What Imoyaro says is irrelevant. He isn't even Paraguayan he is Anglo on a fake indignation trip.
Dec 01st, 2016 - 11:08 pm - Link - Report abuse -11Of course he and all you Anglos conveniently forget that the war was started by PARAGUAY SENDING ARMIES Into argie territory. At that point the war wad between them and Uruguay and Brazil, and they were doingbpretty well actually. Then they got cocky thinking they could just transgress Argentine territory. Well they paid the consequences Argentina was totally justified at that point.
As for the indians, you answered your own objection. Whether ok or not is irrelevant, it was legal, so no land was stolen. All argentine territory was taken legitimately. Unlike everyone else.
Presidents (of everywhere) are a little like hemorrhoids - they come, they go.
Dec 01st, 2016 - 11:29 pm - Link - Report abuse +8Actually Argentina's claim to Antarctic territory is another example of its theft. That territory was claimed by several other countries long before Argentina got around to stealing it or trying to. Those claims are now in suspense but in Argie schools the impressionable are still taught about Argentine Antarctic territory.
Dec 02nd, 2016 - 12:16 am - Link - Report abuse +9@ chronic
Dec 02nd, 2016 - 12:26 am - Link - Report abuse +7I notice you haven't actually said I'm wrong. None of those other states joined the US voluntarily and you don't allow states to secede.
@ Fidel_CasTroll
What do you mean it was legal? According to who? Before the UN and the League of Nations there was no one to say what was legal for countries to do. They took territories from each other all the time, or conquered whole countries. It didn't much matter whether they belonged to another nation or to a tribe.
As for Paraguay, Argentina was able to take those territories because it won the war, not because Paraguay started it. And you would have taken more if Brazil had let you.
Do you think any country is justified in taking territory from whoever attacks them? Seems like a dangerous road to go down...
It may be more interesting to see Trump's attitude towards the United Nations (as the biggest financial contributor) and the Special Committee on Decolonization (which the US has ignored since 1971).
Dec 02nd, 2016 - 12:58 am - Link - Report abuse +7DT
Dec 02nd, 2016 - 02:51 am - Link - Report abuse +5California was purchased from Mexico to end a war.
Much like the Argentines, the uninformed and discontented Mexicans like to believe it was “usurped”.
Educated Mexicans know better.
Nostrils,
“...it was legal and therefore not theft... ”
says who, the Argies who slaughtered the indigenous peoples of Patagonia and claimed the land?
Sounds a bit “usurped” to me - hypocrite.
Chronic, fake American,
Keep ranting...
“Actually Argentina's claim to Antarctic territory is another example of its theft. ”
Dec 02nd, 2016 - 05:49 am - Link - Report abuse +6Antarctica is likely to become the next “malvinas” for Argentina, they need a axe to grind to perpetuate the myth of victimhood.
Which side of Trump's wall will Argentina be on?
We don't need the support of the Americans , it would be nice, but not essential ,
Dec 02nd, 2016 - 01:37 pm - Link - Report abuse +7the other presidents did not back us, and Argentina still got nowhere,
besides the yanks can hardly condemn our territories when they have territory's of their own,
At the end of the day, Britain will defend the Falkland's with or without help for the rest of the world,
and Argentina will never get , what it has never owned , administered or defended.
@ Kanye
Dec 02nd, 2016 - 06:01 pm - Link - Report abuse +8If by that you mean that after losing a war with the US, and with the US army occupying its capital city, Mexico was forced to negotiate a treaty giving Texas the territory down to the Rio Grande, and the US California, half of New Mexico, most of Arizona, Nevada, Utah, and parts of Wyoming and Colorado, all in return for $15m, then yes, the US purchased California to end a war.
Like I said, countries took territories from each other all the time in the past. It could have been worse, the US could have demanded reparations as well, instead of paying Mexico for the land.
And I suppose our troll will not be back, but I'd like to hear him explain which parts of his neighbours' territories were stolen from other nations.
Monkey, you are indeed incorrect about Texas and when you are confronted with your error you introduce other topics to deflect from your exposure and resultant shame.
Dec 02nd, 2016 - 10:08 pm - Link - Report abuse -8Conway ole gal, I'm right here in the middle of foc today.
And I was born here as were the last half dozen generations of my forbearers.
@ Chronic
Dec 04th, 2016 - 12:23 am - Link - Report abuse +6So you think I'm only half right, huh?
But the United States of Mexico isn't like the EU. There is no article 50 to invoke. Texas had no right to secede from Mexico, so therefore it had no right to join the US, and by allowing it to do so the US effectively stole it.*
Compare what happened when Texas later tried to secede from the US.
* (Views expressed may not represent poster's actual beliefs. Use contents at own risk. May contain nuts.)
Fidel castrol
Dec 04th, 2016 - 06:58 pm - Link - Report abuse +7“Of course he and all you Anglos conveniently forget that the war was started by PARAGUAY SENDING ARMIES Into argie territory”
Using the same head in the sand attitude that Argentina uses?
Argentina forgets it invaded British territory in 1982.
Haven't been back since though have you?
And, Trump won't support you.
If you've been correct about anything with regard to America - I haven't noticed, but I remain cheerfully optimistic.
Dec 04th, 2016 - 07:00 pm - Link - Report abuse -9However, the sheer volumd you generate raises your future odds of finally getting something right.
As they say: Even a blind hog finds an acorn every once in a while.
Oh chronic, you really need to learn how to do this argument thing properly: you're supposed to reply to what I said and show how it's wrong. The only thing your insults prove is that you have no response whatsoever to anything I wrote.
Dec 04th, 2016 - 07:40 pm - Link - Report abuse +6Whether that is because I am correct, or because you are sadly ill informed and unable to think logically is left as an exercise for the viewer.
Can't meet your expectations since you're wrong more than you're right.
Dec 05th, 2016 - 04:32 pm - Link - Report abuse -7Discussing alleged Argy sovereignty over the Falklands, or the possibility raised here that Mexico could claim some of the US's southern states, is pointless....the manner in which territorial disputes were settled 150 years ago, were accepted then and nothing will change this, today.
Dec 05th, 2016 - 09:16 pm - Link - Report abuse +4As to CasTroll's silly remark “Argentina is the only nation on this planet whose territory is 100% not stolen from any other nation” is so absurd, that it is obviously just a simple provocation, as even Trolley boy can't be that stupid...maybe not stolen from “any other nation”, if he meant “foreign” power, but definitely stolen by the Spaniards from the indigenous population - regarding which, they did a pretty good job at eliminating.
The notion that Argyland can claim Antartica ..“Ah, because it's close to us !”, or that territories lost in wars , 150 years ago, can be reclaimed, is mental masturxxxxxn...
@JB
Dec 05th, 2016 - 10:48 pm - Link - Report abuse +4Oh, I agree it's pointless, I think it's silly to talk about countries 'stealing' land anyway. I was mostly just trying to wind up chronic. ;)
As for Antarctica, I think Argentina do keep scientists stationed there with their families, and even flew in women to give birth there in the past, in an attempt to strengthen their claim. Don't know if it will actually help them though.
Monkey, you are a needy little thing.
Dec 05th, 2016 - 11:14 pm - Link - Report abuse -7While not personally acquainted with it, chronic understands that there exists a pathology whereby the victim becomes so accustomed to abuse that they actually begin to crave it from their tormentor.
chronic isn't qualified or motivated to dispense physcobabble so you'll have to man up - if that's gender applicable - and look your bad self in the mirror and judge if you might be a little . . . . . .
Everyone enjoy Bedlam?
Hey, is that why you keep posting here? Do you enjoy all the downvotes?
Dec 05th, 2016 - 11:38 pm - Link - Report abuse +5But it's okay, I'll leave you alone now. Wouldn't want to be too unfair. ;)
England will return the Malvinas within 25 years.
Dec 06th, 2016 - 01:16 am - Link - Report abuse -10Poor Monkey!
Dec 06th, 2016 - 03:00 am - Link - Report abuse -8That did sting - didn't it?
And no Monkey, trading the truth for interweb popularity is in the least bit attractive.
Don't blame me for your inability to tell when someone is being serious.
Dec 06th, 2016 - 08:41 am - Link - Report abuse +3But what I said still has an element of truth and I have defended it as such. You have posted nothing but content free insults. The evidence is on my side, so I am happy to let readers decide who is telling the truth.
Monkey, you still don't get it - I don't need, seek or require your validation or approval.
Dec 06th, 2016 - 10:52 am - Link - Report abuse -7Conversely, you seemed conflicted by your inability to obtain mine and that of certain others.
@ DT Chronic has never contributed anything of any value or substance to any debate but just spits venom over the board. That he talks about himself in the third person is just peculiar.
Dec 06th, 2016 - 11:40 am - Link - Report abuse +4Other than correcting the ole bag's, monkey's, conway's, etc. errors, omissions, mischaracterizations, etc.
Dec 06th, 2016 - 05:31 pm - Link - Report abuse -6@ ElaineB
Dec 06th, 2016 - 06:55 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Yeah, I probably shouldn't have replied to him in the first place; it's pointless talking to someone who so evidently thinks insults and namecalling are the way to win an argument.
It's a shame we don't have any other Americans posting, actually. It would have been interesting to have a firsthand view of the elections and aftermath.
@ DT
Dec 06th, 2016 - 08:04 pm - Link - Report abuse +4I get plenty of that feedback but not on this board.
The main focus of this board has been the Falklands, Argentina - the crazy K years, and a smattering of Mercosur countries and associate countries stories. But like all media, they give the readers what they want so if stories get a lot of comment we get more of the same.
Shame you were not around for the CFK years - they were highly entertaining as long as you didn't have to live under her rule.
DT
Dec 06th, 2016 - 09:12 pm - Link - Report abuse +4“Captain Poppy” is a bona fide US American who still post at times.
He lives in the Boston area.
He has an Argentine wife and spends much of the year in BA.
He knows what is the truth and what is Argie propaganda.
Nice guy, hates Trolls and Trump.
He doubts that “Chronic” is US American.
You can write to him at: m.cher1160@outlook.com
Voted for Trump twice!
Dec 06th, 2016 - 10:32 pm - Link - Report abuse -6@ ElaineB
Dec 06th, 2016 - 11:05 pm - Link - Report abuse +3Yeah, I think I missed out on a lot of craziness. I think I vaguely knew she had pictures of the Falklands stuck up everywhere, but some old articles I was linked to had even weirder things, like banning books from being imported(?) and stopping people buying things online. I hope for Argentina's sake it doesn't become 'crazy' in that way again any time soon.
@ TT
I'll have to look out for him. Does he mind you putting up his email address where everyone and their bots can see it?
DemonTree
Dec 06th, 2016 - 11:45 pm - Link - Report abuse -6Pops doesn't mind his email address posted, he likes Brits, supposed to be visiting the UK next year...
He's from Belchertown Massachusetts...
Ex military...we get on like a house on fire...
DT
Dec 07th, 2016 - 12:06 am - Link - Report abuse +1Captain Poppy put up the email himself. That's how I got it.
When ThinkVoice ( Think+Voice, it's universally how he is referred to now) says they “got along like a house on fire”, ThinkVoice means that he said derogatory things about the military, veterans, and military men, as well as personal insults directed at US Americans and Captain Poppy, specifically.
BTW,
ThinkVoice is dissembling now as he feels he must impress you.
He will not ask you direct questions about your sources and your personal experiences, until you start to confront him.
He's a bit obsessed with that when he starts in, though...
Look at that two down ticks on my previous harmless post...
Dec 07th, 2016 - 12:22 am - Link - Report abuse -8From the puppeteer and the puppet...
Who else would bother...
Kinda obvious dontcha think...
Handy having puppets...
@ DT It is true about the books. They gave the reason that they were protecting Argentines from lead poisoning from the print. Seriously. At that time I had friends that could not complete university courses as they could not get the necessary books so I brought them from the UK. This made some contributors here bat-shit crazy though it was an innocuous gesture to help some pals.
Dec 07th, 2016 - 08:54 am - Link - Report abuse +3The real reason was the economy was in such dire straights that they were trying to restrict imports (they didn't have the money in reserves) but they always had to make up some wild story to cover the real reason. At the same time the government imposed a peculiar import/export law that companies like if a designer clothing company wanted to import clothing to sell in Argentina it had to export something (anything) to the equivalent value. Of course, most just stopped selling in Argentina.
@EB
Dec 07th, 2016 - 01:04 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Lol, seriously? They do understand you are meant to read books, not eat them right? And surely books never made up a significant portion of Argentina's imports anyway? Seems crazy.
And that law about imports and exports is almost going back to a barter economy! Why didn't they just put a tax on imports if they wanted to reduce them?
Did they make any other strange laws to try and fix the economy?
@ DT
Dec 07th, 2016 - 01:51 pm - Link - Report abuse +3I think they walked back the book ban reason pretty quickly when they realised that even their most loyal supporters questioned it. I think one of the problems with the K's administration was assuming all of their supporters were stupid. They were not. Like most countries it is the middle ground voters you have to convince to vote you into power and they were by no means stupid. They voted the K's in when they offered hope at a disastrous time and for a while the economy went the only way it could go, up. But it was unsustainable in the long run and having exhausted anywhere to raid for cash - the pension funds, nationalising companies, stealing foreign owned companies - they had to invent silly explanations for their actions to try to hide the reality. Appointing Kicillof was not really a surprise given CFK's crazy behaviour but he really was a boy out of his depth.
Whenever there was a bad news story CFK would invent an illness and go into hiding until things died down. There is no doubt that she has fragile mental health but you have to understand that this is not necessarily an impediment to governing in the eyes of the voters. BsAs has the highest ratio of psychologists per capita in the world. Going to a therapist is like going to get your hair cut; just every day normal. I remember putting out some diplomatic feelers about CFK's mental health there expecting indignation and denials but it was quite the opposite. She was described as bi-polar - everyone knows, they said, and it was no big deal. Um. O.K. That is not to say that quite a few world leaders have battled depression but CFK's bi-polar disorder definitely displayed as either manic - promising the world and acting invincible to disappearing from sight and cancelling all duties during the down phases.
ElaineB
Dec 07th, 2016 - 02:31 pm - Link - Report abuse -7You really should be adding a caveat...
Something like...
I am English, anti K, my position might be considered biased and a lot that I say might be considered hearsay...or my own personal point of view....
Now...would anyone like to hear my analysis of US politics and economy...I reckon I'm pretty qualified...
Based on the fact that I travel there a lot, have lots of friends and family there and even pay US taxes...
@ Voice
Dec 07th, 2016 - 03:59 pm - Link - Report abuse +4Why? You don't add a caveat to your comments. Something like, “I am from no fixed abode, have nothing worth saying but just come here to stir shit”
This is a message board and we are all expressing an opinion. Why not post something of value like a counter argument to the points I made?
ElaineB
Dec 07th, 2016 - 04:44 pm - Link - Report abuse -6No...I think it is you that has no fixed above....ever stated where you live...?
No fixed abode...
Criticising Argentina Govt for no other reason, but to criticise...
Stirring shit is your forte...
No Govt can be all negative...where is the balanced view...?
How well do you think the UK could have coped with no access to finance, borrowing, investment for the same amount of years...
How well have other European countries coped even with being supported by the EU having money thrown at them...like Greece...
Argentina have survived, are also still a democracy, credit must be due somewhere....
BUT....not according to you...
Also the little details...like...
“I remember putting out some diplomatic feelers about CFK's mental health there expecting indignation and denials but it was quite the opposite.”
Comparable to...
“I spoke to the man in the moon and he assured me that he wasn't really made of cheese”
Pure manufactured nonsense with no factual basis...
@ Voice
Dec 07th, 2016 - 04:55 pm - Link - Report abuse +3I have stated many times that I live in England. Where do you live?
ElaineB
Dec 07th, 2016 - 05:04 pm - Link - Report abuse -7Argyll...like you didn't know...
Here is a counter argument based on actual fact...
Old people get sick frequently...
...and that is not even under the pressure of running a Country...
@ Voice
Dec 07th, 2016 - 05:13 pm - Link - Report abuse +4You write so like Think and use the same tactics. Try to kill the messenger because you don't like what is being said. Tough.
ElaineB
Dec 07th, 2016 - 05:31 pm - Link - Report abuse -6Not at all, I merely challenged your opinion with a simple, provable undeniable fact..
Try sticking to them...
You can only project negativity, because for some unbeknown reason or agenda that is what you wish to show...concerning the previous Argentine Govt..
Most people have a balanced view of something that doesn't affect them one way or another...
Is it the Ellipses....?
Apart from those, I write nothing like Mr. Think...
Resorting to attacking the credibility of the poster now...implying I must be a puppet...
Mr. Think is right...you are subtle and clever...
The big question would be... why...
@ Voice
Dec 07th, 2016 - 05:45 pm - Link - Report abuse +3Don't be so paranoid about me. I work in South America so have an interest. That's all. But you already knew that, didn't you.
“I merely challenged your opinion with a simple, provable undeniable fact..”
DId you? You just said that old people get sick. CFK was only 50 when she became First Lady and 55 when she became President. Are you classing that as old? Seriously? And CFK's erratic behaviour dated way back.
ElaineB
Dec 07th, 2016 - 05:57 pm - Link - Report abuse -6Nice try she is was in her 60's when she was having problems with her health...
...yeah that's old.
All I'm saying is give a more balanced view when giving DT your opinions...
I am not paranoid...I'm just a quick learner in subtle...;-)
@ Voice
Dec 07th, 2016 - 06:07 pm - Link - Report abuse +3That's not true….her health problems went way back. And if you think 60 is old then what do you think of 70 year olds?
Why do you think you can tell me what to post?
I gave a perfectly reasonable response to DT's question, that you don't like it is irrelevant.
ElaineB
Dec 07th, 2016 - 06:17 pm - Link - Report abuse -6Post what you like...
...just don't be surprised when it is challenged as biased hearsay and can only be considered a personal opinion...
In other words....irrelevant...
70 year olds...?
One foot in the grave...
@ Voice
Dec 07th, 2016 - 06:54 pm - Link - Report abuse +2I already knew that ElaineB is British and opposed to the K's, and who else's opinion would she be giving but her own?
On the other hand, you refuse to tell anyone your nationality, and I have no idea what your interest in Argentina is, but you are welcome to give your own opinion if you disagree with Elaine.
I do wonder though, where you and your demands for a balanced view were when ChrisR was telling me Mujica is a murdering commie bastard, or when Jack Bauer was telling me Lula is a corrupt, incompetent 9-fingered toad?
@ ElaineB
Isn't 'the boy' Kicillof older than you? It sounds weird when you call him that.
Why are there so many psychologists in BA anyway? Seems kinda random. And what made you think she's bipolar?
DemonTree
Dec 07th, 2016 - 07:06 pm - Link - Report abuse -1Fairly obvious...ChrisR lives in Uruguay....
Jack Bauer lives in Brazil...
I'm sure you are fairly comfortable stating your opinions on the UK and would probably assume that they would be credible and based on experience...
ElaineB for all I know may have never left the shores of England...
“....I was in the airport in BA chatting to a couple of Argentina friends and they said....”
It's that easy....
...you are sharp....the boy Kicillof...;-)))
@ Voice
Dec 07th, 2016 - 07:16 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Do you know them personally? We're all just pixels on a screen here, anyone could be living anywhere. Do you have any more reason to disbelieve ElaineB than the other two? I haven't seen any.
Oh, and if you want to give your opinion on US politics and the US economy then feel free; everyone else does.
@ Voice
Dec 07th, 2016 - 07:28 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Though you have not told us where you were born, if you live in Scotland, by your own rules your opinions about Argentina are irrelevant.
@ DT
' Boy' is a nickname because he is teeny-tiny and looks about 12 years old. Even Think calls him 'My Boy”.
Why are there so many psychologists? Supply and demand I would imagine. There is one area referred to as Freud Corner.
That CFK is bipolar is something that has been mooted for years which is why I questioned it there. It seems to be common knowledge. Though I have another source I can't reveal here for obvious reasons.
Whether Trump reaches out to RGland is irrelavent. RGlands track record in stealing business and property speaks for itself. No sane business person is going to risk very much investing there. It will take long term obvious and secure stability for confidence to return. The anti British stance, brainwashing in schools and anti Falklands rhetoric needs to be quietly put to bed too, Trump won't like that. The intelligence gathering listening post on tbe Falklands is of considerable interest to the US. The US takes a public neutral stance to protect foreign relations in SA which is clearly a left wing echo chamber.
Dec 07th, 2016 - 07:31 pm - Link - Report abuse +5DemonTree
Dec 07th, 2016 - 07:31 pm - Link - Report abuse -4Which would you consider to be more credible...
Emigrated with his wife and a small book worth of irrelevant info about Uruguay...to what purpose...
Born in SA and really concentrates on posting about Brazil....
Travels business class about the world...but studies Argentina in particular with lots of research over the years particularly about the K's...
Kicillof is 45...how old would you have to be to call him a boy...a generation older...;-)
@ Voice
Dec 07th, 2016 - 07:47 pm - Link - Report abuse +3As I said, if you are based in Scotland what relevance is your opinion on Argentina?
”Boy' is a nickname used by many people irrespective of age because he looks so young and he is inexperienced.
All your post does is undermine your own credibility.
@ ElaineB
Dec 07th, 2016 - 07:48 pm - Link - Report abuse +2I always thought the same about Gove, he also looks about 12 years old or did until recently. Not sure many 12 year olds have sideburns like Kicillof though. :)
But Think calls everyone boy, including 70 year olds, so that doesn't prove anything.
Freud corner, haha. Doesn't explain why the demand is so high though.
I just googled 'Kirchner bipolar' and there is indeed a lot of speculation. Also a wikileaks cable where Clinton questions her mental health. Interesting.
@ Voice
Elaine said she lived in BA for several months and has friends there, which seems reasonable to me.
Besides, what does it matter for 'balance' whether they really live in those countries anyway? Clearly none of them are unbiased and none gave a disclaimer; it's all just their opinions.
ElaineB
Dec 07th, 2016 - 07:57 pm - Link - Report abuse -4I never give an opinion on Argentina....
Show me one...
Mr. Think is an old man...or so he says and would be entitled to call him boy....
You slipped up and are not covering well...
I personally think I've been hitting on some home truths and now you must do your best to destroy my credibility....
Best of luck with that one...I don't have any...
I'm just a Voice with no nationality...
Difficult to attack...
That was the whole idea...;-)
@ DT
Dec 07th, 2016 - 08:02 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Oh I lived there a lot more than that, several months at a time for several years. The longest stint was five months straight. I almost went native. :) I travelled the length and breadth of the country and got a good idea of the country and the people there. I am very critical of the Kirchners for good reasons but I have said many times on here that I had a great time. I met some incredible people and had a lot of fun when not working.
I am hoping to get back there next year for a longer spell but Chile has been time consuming in recent times.
ElaineB
Dec 07th, 2016 - 08:09 pm - Link - Report abuse -3For several years eh....
Soooo.....do you fancy a conversation in Spanish....?
See how good you are....?
Credibility - nett current assets twelve quid. Bahahaha
Dec 07th, 2016 - 08:11 pm - Link - Report abuse +3BBC4 right now a programme on BOT's, Britain's Treasure Islands. Bermuda, Pitcairn and Chagos tonight, the other eleven in further programmes. Good viewing, you can see where our taxes are being spent!
Pointless argueing with Voice of Think, he has nothing to say of any consequence whatsoever.
@ Voice with no nationality and therefore no credibility, what are you hanging around the South Atlantic News Agency for?
Dec 07th, 2016 - 08:12 pm - Link - Report abuse +2ElaineB
Dec 07th, 2016 - 08:20 pm - Link - Report abuse -3My interest is the Falklands...
More to the point...why are you constantly trying to discredit Argentina...
You don't speak Spanish...you haven't lived there...
You just spread disinformation...but for what purpose...? No purpose..?
Even CFK treated Kicillof like a little thing
Dec 07th, 2016 - 08:23 pm - Link - Report abuse +3Remember.... CFK a Kicillof: “Vení para acá, vení chiquito”. Cadena Nacional desde Casa Rosada. 13 de diciembre de 2014 ...
@ Just a Voice
Dec 07th, 2016 - 08:27 pm - Link - Report abuse +2You are just a shit stirrer.
Do you speak Spanish, Elaine?
Dec 07th, 2016 - 08:33 pm - Link - Report abuse +2And what about you, Voice?
Run out of argument and having to resort to name calling...
Dec 07th, 2016 - 08:34 pm - Link - Report abuse -3It was only a matter of time...
I sometimes like to illuminate hypocrisy and show the real person...
It's all about playing the right chords I think...
Thanks..;-)))))
@ DT
Dec 07th, 2016 - 08:44 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Well enough. You?
@ Just A Voice
You revealed a lot about your motive for being here.
You don't speak Spanish at all...
Dec 07th, 2016 - 08:49 pm - Link - Report abuse -4show us...
I think I revealed more about your motive for being here...
Who do you work for FIA....?
...and round about 60 ish...
@ Just a Voice
Dec 07th, 2016 - 09:00 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Now you are making a show of yourself.
@ ElaineB
Dec 07th, 2016 - 09:02 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Nope. But there are plenty of people here who do, and I know whose judgement I *won't* trust if you write something. ;)
@ Voice
“ThinkVoice tries to tell other posters who is qualified and who is permitted to comment on events and issues.
He will challenge the qualifications of adversaries, in an attempt to goad personal information from them.”
Looks like Troy Tempest was right about one thing at least.
...if you think so...
Dec 07th, 2016 - 09:08 pm - Link - Report abuse -4Everyone is happy to believe that numerous Trolls etc spread propaganda about the Falklands or the UK or Russia or the US...that they ply social media with disinformation...
..but no one believes the UK spreads disinformation or propaganda about anywhere...
The law of averages must mean that someone does...
What better place than a sponsored platform like this...
@ DT
Dec 07th, 2016 - 09:19 pm - Link - Report abuse +2It is a peculiar trait they both share, for sure.
Both of them and other men on here too are desperate to know my age, my profession, my marital status, my gender preference and any other personal details. They try all kinds of insults to try to find out. Why? Because they are simply looking for ammunition to issue more insults. I have been called an immature teenager to an old crone. A lesbian to a bitter old spinster. All because I express an opinion on a message board.
Just a Voice may claim to only be interested in the Falklands but he is a sensitive as Think about CFK. Notice how they rear up whenever a word is spoken against her that is not fawning devotion?
I don't play their game of 'prove it' because it is impossible to prove anything on here, and why should we. They can agree with me or not. It is just a message board.
DemonTree
Dec 07th, 2016 - 09:31 pm - Link - Report abuse -3You've got to be kidding me right...
In the short time you have been here you have asked virtually everyone what nationality they are, where they are...
and some where they were born, even where there parents were born...
What languages they speak...
It was you quizzing about the boy remark relating to age...because you guessed why...
I'm not asking how old she is..she has given that away...
I'm not asking if she can speak Spanish because I know she can't she has been challenged on it before...
I'm very curious as to why all the research into the K's...and Argentine attacking...
It is someones job somewhere to do this kind of thing...
It could be hers....
...and a likely employer would be FIA...
plain logic...
@ Just a Voice
Dec 07th, 2016 - 09:35 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Hahaha. Don't give up your day job because you would never make a detective.
Mr. DemonTree...
Dec 07th, 2016 - 10:08 pm - Link - Report abuse -5You say...:
“We're all just pixels on a screen here”
I say....
“I Think..., therefore I am”............. more than just pixels on a screen here...;-)
TWIMC I...
I NEVER called any poster in here a “boy”...
Lad..., laddie..., lass..., lassie..., boyo..., yesss..., but not “boy”...
And YES..., I call Axel “my boy”..., but that is for reasons other than his boyish looks...
TWIMC II...
Years ago, (when I first found MercoPress because of a story about two RAF fighters that couldn't land in Malvinas because of the fog and Asked (and got) permission from Argentina to overfly our territorry and land in Chile) ..., this place was full with “Argie Posters” defenestrating “Their Own” Country and strongly apologising to them Kelpers and Engrish over the behaviour of “Their” stupid Argentinean Government...
There were historians..., doctors..., pensioners..., you name it...
Needless to say..., I had my doubts about the authenticity of most of them...
Therefore..., I just asked them kindly to be so kind and re-write in Spanish the same critical comment they had, with such effort, posted in their very nice Engrish...
Some tried to...
Geeeeeeeeeeeeeeee....
The result was hilarious... :-))))))))))
Think,
Dec 07th, 2016 - 11:12 pm - Link - Report abuse +4Is “Axel” your boy?
Wow! You turned out to be quite a hip old man. You are right. Life's short. Enjoy.
@ Voice
Dec 07th, 2016 - 11:18 pm - Link - Report abuse +2I suppose I have asked a lot of questions; perhaps Mr Tempest will be complaining about me next. ;)
But you asked what better place than this? I'd say, a site that's read by more than about 50 people would be a much better place for propagandising.
And someone who also speaks Spanish would probably do a better job at it too.
@ Think
'I NEVER called any poster in here a “boy”'
To TobiTroll: 'Last thing we need down here is a new Tiberius, boy...'
To Islander1: 'Good boy... Which neck is yours?'
To Roger Lorton: 'Look what you have become now, boy...'
I'm not seeing the big difference between lad, laddie, boyo, and boy anyway. They all mean the same thing, and it's not flattering.
I guess fake Argentine posters was another thing I missed out on. Shame, sounds funny.
But you've never complained Tarquin Fin isn't real, and he agreed with a lot of what Elaine has said.
@ ElaineB
Whether purposely or not, Voice has quite successfully distracted us from talking about Argentina.
So are there a lot of psychologists in Buenos Aires because there are a lot of crazy people, or a lot of hypochondriacs?
I have been corrected by one of the lads...
Dec 07th, 2016 - 11:37 pm - Link - Report abuse -6I NEARLY NEVER called any poster in here a “boy”'...
;-)))
Horsemeat, thats what Argentina is principally known for. Breeding horses produces a lot of horse shit - figures… Plenty here.
Dec 07th, 2016 - 11:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ Think
Dec 07th, 2016 - 11:47 pm - Link - Report abuse +3I suppose you do use the others more often, but nearly ain't never.
Why do you call Kicillof 'my boy' then, if not for his boyish looks?
And why are all the post counts dropping? This site is getting buggier by the minute.
The Voice, you are wrong ... too many drinks? trouble taking a dump? There are remedies for that. Lighten up dude!
Dec 08th, 2016 - 12:18 am - Link - Report abuse +4DemonTree
Dec 08th, 2016 - 01:47 am - Link - Report abuse -6“But you asked what better place than this? I'd say, a site that's read by more than about 50 people would be a much better place for propagandising.”
I think you are confusing the amount of people that post with the web traffic...page views...
Highest is the month of July at 341,000 visits in that month...
Slightly more than 50 people...I think...
Most visits are from the USA...44% only 12% of visits from the UK...
Tarquin Fin
Have you seen The Voice too....?
You are right he does need to seriously lighten up...about 3 stone I reckon...;-)
DT & EB
Dec 08th, 2016 - 02:39 am - Link - Report abuse +3...and... ThinkVoice reveals his true nature.
Despite his protests.
That didn't take long, did it?
That
Don't kid yourselves.
Dec 08th, 2016 - 07:46 am - Link - Report abuse +1Trump knows nothing of the Falklands. Argentina will never be a threat, and it's a waste of time as a market. Who cares?
@ DT
Dec 08th, 2016 - 09:12 am - Link - Report abuse +3It was purposeful. Typical behaviour and now you have seen it.
I am not sure there are more crazy people in Argentina. Ha. I guess it is more culturally acceptable; sometimes described as cool to be in therapy. It is normal to see a therapist several times a week. They send their children to therapy like an after school activity. There are many articles about it and some theories are less flattering ' a nation of narcissists' etc. I think all that navel-gazing probably does make some of them a little self-obsessed and, quite frankly, all that searching leaves them open to manipulation.
@ Kanye
Quite.
Constipation eh? As well as getting banned from all the local hostelries, sounds about right. Eat more veg and quit chatting to Alfonso - warps the brain.
Dec 08th, 2016 - 09:15 am - Link - Report abuse +2Mr. DemonTree
Dec 08th, 2016 - 10:08 am - Link - Report abuse -4Firstly..., Mr. Voice is quite right...
This site fulfills the mission it is being paid to...
Just Google any query about the Malvinas/Falklands Issue and a MercoPress article will surely appear in the top five...
- Quite good for an obscure site from little Uruguay..., don't you Think...?
Secondly..., you seem interested in Argentinean psychotherapy...
Hereby an easy digestible, mainstream Anglo article about the issue..., aproved by Think...:
http://edition.cnn.com/2013/04/28/health/argentina-psychology-therapists/
By the way... as ElaineB so rightly puts it...:
The Argie highest income deciles (the only ones that can pay U$ 100 for a therapy session) navel-gazing and self-obsession leaves them quite open to manipulation...
Thats why they voted “En Masse” for the current incompetent and deeply corrupt administration...
@ DT
Dec 08th, 2016 - 10:34 am - Link - Report abuse +2You have to wonder what Think is so afraid of. Such paranoia.
Psychotherapy has been around in Argentina since the 40's - how does he not know that? It is very affordable for the masses and whilst it was made 'fashionable' by the middle classes it is not solely used by them. The very best and most esteemed of the profession are Jewish. Buenos Aires has long been a refuge for Jew fleeing persecution so maybe they brought the practise with them. At one point Buenos Aires had the largest Jewish population outside of Israel second only to New York. And the very first Gauchos were Jews. You can see some traces in the traditional clothes they wear now.
You have to wonder what has Think/Voice et al so rattled. Why are they so sensitive about any criticism of CFK? Why are they so paranoid?
Its obvious really, Think is a UK based agent of Brook Street. And what could be more irritating to a Brit, his sidekick, a UK based Quisling braggart?
Dec 08th, 2016 - 11:03 am - Link - Report abuse +2Anyone interested in British Overseas Territories should watch the BBC series Britain's Treasure Islands first aired last night with a particularly interesting piece on the Chagos Islands. No mention of the base at all. All 14 Territories including the Falklands and that special gem South Georgia will be featured in the series. Essential watching for aspiring colonialist invaders. ;-)
@ The Voice
Dec 08th, 2016 - 11:10 am - Link - Report abuse +2I will look for that, thanks.
That he is UK based would certainly explain his posting times.
Should I be flattered that he sees me a such a threat he devotes so much time to me?
Belchertown Voice, you think? Nothing but horses in Belchertwon. You took a very broad leap from that picture with the Globe I sent standing at the State Trooper barracks in Quabbin. Now, if I sent you a picture with the Globe at the Noho barracks would you think I was from Noho? or the Mass Pike barracks.....from Charleton? Massachsuetts, New England for that matter is small. I can take picture anywhere.
Dec 08th, 2016 - 11:48 am - Link - Report abuse +2201 wins......impressive Voice, aye?
Yeah I did Pops...I assumed we both took pics of our local area...
Dec 08th, 2016 - 12:28 pm - Link - Report abuse -3...but you are not bothered about me knowing where you are from..nothing to hide...
Glad to see you posting, there's a new poster that would be very interested in your take on current events in the US at the moment...
I can't get a word of sense from my redneck relatives..it's all hurray for the USA...
Yay Tom Brady...;-)
@ ElaineB
Dec 08th, 2016 - 12:39 pm - Link - Report abuse +3“I guess it is more culturally acceptable; sometimes described as cool to be in therapy.”
That does make sense, and Think's article agrees with you. It also says it's not necessarily expensive, so even ordinary people can afford it. That also explains some of the popularity.
“Should I be flattered that he sees me a such a threat he devotes so much time to me?”
I think you should. This site has no shortage of people badmouthing Argentina and CFK, but apparently Think believes you are the only one who is convincing.
@ Think
You know that what google shows you in searches depends on your browsing history right? And you visit Mercopress every day. (Also depends on location and language - if I google 'Cristina Fernández de Kirchner' I get a page full of results in English; I doubt that you'd see the same.) Plus the Falklands is quite an obscure topic to begin with. No doubt the site is fulfilling its purpose though.
And you must have a heck of a lot of high income people in Argentina if they elected Macri all by themselves!
@ Voice
That's more than I expected, but how many read all the comments, especially now they are on a separate page? If you're looking for propaganda, I'd be more inclined to think of the site itself, rather than any of the posters.
Also the second highest number of visitors is from India? What interest do they have in the South Atlantic?
@ DT
Dec 08th, 2016 - 01:40 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Just to qualify a point: I write a lot of good things about Argentina and the people I have met there. My criticism is saved for the Kirchner's and their impact on the country. In particular CFK and her band of thieves. It seems to stick in the craw of her worshipers.
Elaine, no feelings about the attempted State Sponsored intimidation and harassment of the Falklands and it people?
Dec 08th, 2016 - 01:52 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Compatriota Think,
Dec 08th, 2016 - 02:01 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Psychotherapy in Arg. is not just a privilege of the highest paid elite. Any medical insurance plan, provided to you by your employer, covers at least 20 sessions a year.
I just wonder which is craziest, voting “en masse” for Macri or to keep regurgitating slogans from 70 years ago. No wonder why psychotherapists will never run out of a job in this country.
DemonTree
Dec 08th, 2016 - 02:03 pm - Link - Report abuse -4So tell me what is an English sponsored, only English comments website doing based in Uruguay...Using journalists that had also worked for Penguin News...
The original name also included Falkland Islands...
The original secretary and treasurer for the Falkland Islands Trust also had herself listed as a Mercopress employee...
Who are the main advertisers...?
Or why not try www.falklands.com and see where you end up...
For a free thinking person...little alarm bells start to ring...
All I'm saying is it needs to be approached with an open mind...
India has 10% of it's population speaking and reading English that's 125 million...probably always on the lookout for somewhere to emigrate to....anywhere connected with the Commonwealth I would imagine...
@ The Voice
Dec 08th, 2016 - 02:28 pm - Link - Report abuse +2I have commented extensively about it and condemned the actions of the Kirchners over the years. Just in the last few weeks I explained to DT about CFK's obsession with the Falklands and her whipping up her rampant thugs. I don't, however condemn the whole country for it because in my experience a lot of Argentines don't support the Kirchner's actions against the Falklands. In the latter part of CFK's reign it fell way down the list of concerns with crime and inflation being far more pressing. You also have to consider the brainwashing and misinformation people are fed in Argentina. It is a nonsense but it is not the sum of Argentina.
If psychotherapists are controlling the minds and votes of Argentines why do we think they changed from CFK to Macri?
@ ElaineB
Dec 08th, 2016 - 02:28 pm - Link - Report abuse +3Sorry, didn't mean to imply you were badmouthing Argentina. I should have said your criticism of the K's is the only thing that seems to bother him.
@ Voice
Yeah, I noticed that www.falklands.com redirects here when I was looking at the page view stats earlier. But I always assumed it was something of the sort anyway, just based on the focus of the stories. I guess it's based in Uruguay because it's in the area covered by the site and also cheaper - the editorial standards here aren't the highest.
@ DT
Dec 08th, 2016 - 02:48 pm - Link - Report abuse +2No worries, I just wanted to clarify the point. When you spend a long time in a country you see the good and the bad. I had some great times there but understood the frustration for people living in constant chaos. I could leave at any time so it was always easier for me. One advantage of living in a country of economic instability is that everyone lives for the moment and there is a stoicism about yet another crisis. And I never experienced any direct animosity for being English, quite the opposite.
I believe the editor/owner is Uruguayan. It is a business. There was a gap in the market and they filled it. The content is driven by the readership. The more we comment/view, the more advertising opportunities. The idea that this is some great propaganda machine designed to destroy CFK is a nonsense. If that were the case, they wouldn't allow comment.
“I believe the editor/owner is Uruguayan. ”
Dec 08th, 2016 - 03:16 pm - Link - Report abuse -3What evidence do you have to support that belief...?
In what capacity do you think the secretary and treasurer for the UKFIT had working for Mercopress.....journalist....?
You're funny....;-)
Voice: “ So tell me what is an English sponsored, only English comments website doing....”
Dec 08th, 2016 - 03:27 pm - Link - Report abuse +3Little alarm bells, or voices in his head? Conspiracies!
The site is not “English only” -- one has only to open the eyes to see the button to get the Spanish version of this site. And the Spanish version sometimes carries material much more critical of Peronismo's silliness than the English version. And anyway, a large number of the articles that appear on the English side are taken directly (and often poorly translated) from Argentine and other regional media. In earlier years sources for Mercopress articles took mostly Spanish-language news and translated it (often poorly) and thus regional material was available to English-only readers, but it was still mostly regional and regionally sourced content. The addition of the Spanish version started about 10 years ago as Mercopress expanded its scope and readership. If there is an appearance of Mercopress revealing the follies of Argentina in general and Peronismo in particular, it may well be because that is a target-rich environment and regional readers need a good laugh from time to time.
Read again...
Dec 08th, 2016 - 03:43 pm - Link - Report abuse -3I said English comments only...
Spanish version eight years ago....
There are none so blind as those who will not see....
There is a Russian website just opened based in Norway...comments are only in Russian they deal with local and regional news...
....NOT...;-)
@ Voice
Dec 08th, 2016 - 03:51 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Do your own research, it isn't that hard to discover.
@ ML
Exactly. They give the readers what they want. There is obviously a market for what they offer. It is business.
Good one...so that would be no evidence just more of your hearsay....;-)
Dec 08th, 2016 - 04:15 pm - Link - Report abuse -3@ Voice
Dec 08th, 2016 - 04:36 pm - Link - Report abuse +2No, if you know the name of the Proprietor it is easy enough to find out all about Mercopress. Considering how paranoid you are about what is said here I am surprised you have never bothered to find out.
You are just lazy and no amount of goading will make me do the work for you.
I am certain other posters will find it easily enough.
Can't see what the fuss is about. There are innumerable 'La Camping it up' websites whingeing and whining about the mythical Malvinas. What about them, and the torrent of lies and insults constantly issued from Brook Street.
Dec 08th, 2016 - 05:02 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Whether this website is a British propaganda mouthpiece is irrelevant just like RGlands false sovereignty claims. Incidentally my spell checker doesn't recognise Malvinas - what does that say?
More important matters are in hand, the Heating Allowance and Christmas Bonuses have arrived. Lunch at Le Manoir methinks. Now if I was a taxpayer...
@ The Voice
Dec 08th, 2016 - 05:11 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Indeed and it is puzzling that they spend years on here whining about Mercopress but never even bother to check out who runs it and from where.
It would be fairly easy to argue that all news is propaganda. One just reads, cross checks the content, checks the source and makes a judgement.
Elaine - Dos dedos de frente - that probably explains it ;-)
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