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Falklands: Two Argentine forensic experts will work with the Red Cross team at Darwin cemetery

Saturday, December 10th 2016 - 12:43 UTC
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Two Argentine forensic experts will be part of the group under the Red Cross that will collect DNA samples from the remains of the Argentine unidentified combatants buried at the Falkland Islands' Darwin cemetery with the purpose of fulfilling the task of identifying the graves which read “Argentine solider, only known unto God”. Read full article

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  • Briton

    What is the -sovereignty safeguard clause,
    was is an argentine initiative ?

    South Atlantic conflict - was it not the Falklands war, that Argentina started and thus lost,
    I still don't trust them, but that's just my opinion.

    Dec 10th, 2016 - 12:58 pm - Link - Report abuse +7
  • Roger Lorton

    The 'sovereignty umbrella' prevents the issue of sovereignty arising in any discussion. This has been the way of talks since 1989. It shuts Argentina up. I hear that Argentina wanted to dominate the forensic team & for examination to take place on the islands. Summer's had other ideas. Never trust them.

    Dec 10th, 2016 - 01:07 pm - Link - Report abuse +8
  • Livingthedream

    Argentina will drop their claim over the Falkland Islands and re return their war dead to their land by the end of 2018

    Dec 10th, 2016 - 03:01 pm - Link - Report abuse +5
  • Marti Llazo

    @Living

    I wouldn't count on that sort of sanity any time soon. You would need several hundred-thousand tonnes of Valium/Diazepam to calm them down enough to just learn how to spell “Falklands” properly.

    Dec 10th, 2016 - 04:28 pm - Link - Report abuse +9
  • ChrisR

    It is to be hoped that “the Argentine forensic experts” have greater competence than the idiots who were involved with the Nisman murder.

    Dec 10th, 2016 - 05:36 pm - Link - Report abuse +4
  • Marti Llazo

    Speaking of the Nisman murder, it was widely known that the Kirchnerist prosecutor who headed up the Nisman crime scene did her best to pollute the place, and now it looks like there may be some charges brought against that gang.

    http://www.clarin.com/politica/Denuncian-Berni-Fein-departamento-Nisman_0_1697830232.html

    Dec 10th, 2016 - 06:28 pm - Link - Report abuse +7
  • Kanye

    Mr. ML

    Good to hear.

    There is an eventual cost for complicity with a corrupt dictator

    Dec 10th, 2016 - 08:04 pm - Link - Report abuse +6
  • Briton

    Livingthedream
    perhaps 2018 is a bit early,

    but if you go the Hepatia way ?
    then within 25 years is possible...lol

    Dec 10th, 2016 - 08:35 pm - Link - Report abuse +5
  • Lightning

    What's the status with the soldiers' families?

    Have they all agreed?

    Didn't think so.

    Dec 10th, 2016 - 09:03 pm - Link - Report abuse +5
  • Marti Llazo

    @Lightning

    We discussed this in another thread. I think there was some sort of consensus that a significant number of the unknowns were probably bastards and thus have no family coming forward to offer DNA or any other sort of recognition (this explanation would fit Argentine demographics). If I remember correctly some families of the yet-unknowns have objected to providing DNA. And as noted elsewhere, the Argentine government is turning a deaf ear to the pleading of some families of unknowns to allow repatriation of remains that might be eventually identified.

    Dec 11th, 2016 - 12:49 am - Link - Report abuse +8
  • Conqueror

    @Livingthedream. I don't see the reason for the wait. Due to the lack of respect to graves now evinced by some of the animals that get involved in violence, civilised nations have taken to transporting their dead back to the home country. This is a perfect opportunity to pour the remains of argie so-called soldiers into plastic buckets and send them back where they, illegally, came from. If pressed, the buckets could be supplied with lids. And the buckets should, of course, be yellow.

    Dec 11th, 2016 - 08:25 am - Link - Report abuse +3
  • Lightning

    Thanks ML,

    Seems it's really not unanimous amongst the families that the bodies should be dug up. They have closure already.

    Dec 11th, 2016 - 10:15 am - Link - Report abuse +2
  • ElaineB

    Isn't it true that the bodies were offered to be returned to Argentina after the war ended but there was some bluster from the Argentine government that 'they were already on Argentine soil'. You have to feel for the families that these fallen soldiers have ben used by successive Argentine governments as a political football for decades.

    Dec 11th, 2016 - 11:47 am - Link - Report abuse +5
  • Marti Llazo

    @EB “ Isn't it true that the bodies were offered to be returned to Argentina after the war ended but there was some bluster from the Argentine government....”

    That is correct. The Argentine governments have apparently all refused to allow repatriation of the remains, despite requests of some of the families, and it's curious that the major media here have largely toed the government line and avoided mention of those repatriation requests. The families have been pressured by and even threatened by the AR government to avoid any public insistence on remains repatriation. The Argentine government is so terrified by the thought of an eventual repatriation of these remains that they made it a matter of a “ bilateral clause” in the recent agreements for the DNA testing, that no repatriation would be considered or discussed.

    That said, the remains for the dead treated and buried, however temporarily, by UK forces during the 1982 war deliberately provided for later disinterment and transfer. Whenever possible they were buried in sturdy plastic body bags, with zippers and handles, and I think that the “final” interments at the formal cemeteries all involve those very sturdy bags, which are likely to be still fully intact after 60 years or more in the ground although typically the zippers are quickly jammed up.

    Dec 11th, 2016 - 01:54 pm - Link - Report abuse +5
  • Livingthedream

    @Marti This is true. Both countries are trying to find a way out and save face.The identification precess is only the begining of a larger agreement. This is still not public knowlage and will not be for some time but, there are talks under way.

    Dec 11th, 2016 - 02:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @ Livingthedream

    About what?

    Dec 11th, 2016 - 03:21 pm - Link - Report abuse +4
  • Voice

    Pardon me If I don't take the word of someone seriously...
    That thinks a pic of a Hardly represents living the dream ...

    If your dream is 1950's technology, ingenuity, performance and innovation and big noisy, overpriced ego boosting scooters...
    What are your nightmares like...?

    Dec 11th, 2016 - 03:40 pm - Link - Report abuse -4
  • Marti Llazo

    “If your dream is 1950's technology, ingenuity, performance and innovation ...”

    For a moment there I thought Voice was describing contemporary Argentina.

    Dec 11th, 2016 - 04:56 pm - Link - Report abuse +5
  • The Voice

    And that…

    Dec 11th, 2016 - 05:38 pm - Link - Report abuse +4
  • Think

    That's what it is...!
    An Hardly Ableson part...!
    Silly me... Thinkin' it was a piece of C-P3O...

    Dec 11th, 2016 - 06:25 pm - Link - Report abuse -4
  • Voice

    I have a less flattering T-Shirt....Mr. Think...

    “Hardly fcuking moving son”....;-)

    Dec 11th, 2016 - 06:35 pm - Link - Report abuse -3
  • Kanye

    ThinkVoice

    Off-topic again.

    This is not about you.

    Dec 11th, 2016 - 08:30 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Voice

    ...and you are on topic...?

    Dec 11th, 2016 - 08:33 pm - Link - Report abuse -3
  • Briton

    Topic, topic,
    Tesco's 4 four a pound,

    Topic, looks good , tastes good ad cheap at half the price...lolol

    Dec 11th, 2016 - 09:04 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • The Voice

    Does Argentina possess any experts? Ah..vivenza criola or sumtin…

    Dec 11th, 2016 - 10:03 pm - Link - Report abuse +3
  • Marti Llazo

    The Hardly comments have pretty much confirmed that voice=think.

    Dec 12th, 2016 - 01:26 am - Link - Report abuse +3
  • Roger Lorton

    LivingtheDream is quite correct. All hush hush so that the peronistas don't start to whinge again - or at least yet. From Geneva to London............ :-)

    Dec 12th, 2016 - 01:37 am - Link - Report abuse +3
  • The Voice

    Marti, Tweedledum and Tweedledee. Question is which is which?

    Dec 12th, 2016 - 08:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Hepatia

    England will return the Malvinas within 25 years.

    Dec 13th, 2016 - 11:35 pm - Link - Report abuse -3
  • Briton

    H-Hideously
    E-Especially
    P-perverted
    A-attitude
    T-towards
    I-inward-looking
    A-agitator
    ?

    Dec 14th, 2016 - 06:53 pm - Link - Report abuse +2

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