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Falklands/Malvinas: Next steps to identify Argentine soldiers buried in Darwin Cemetery agreed
The Falkland Islands government has issued a release relative to the meeting held last Friday, in Geneva, chaired by the Red Cross to address the identification of Argentine soldiers buried at the Falkland' Darwin cemetery. Falklands' lawmaker, MLA Mike Summers was in attendance for these talks as part of the UK delegation. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesGood to see Mike Summers was there, an integral part of the UK team!
Dec 12th, 2016 - 08:48 pm - Link - Report abuse +7Whao, whao Kayne....That can't be right, Think said FI representative would not be sitting in this meeting, as the ICRC hadn't mentioned it.... And Voice said the only job for the FI reps would be providing the catering services.
Dec 12th, 2016 - 10:24 pm - Link - Report abuse +12So he could have only have been there to serve the refreshments.
Voice..Think...Voink?
Huh..only two delegations The Argentine delegation and the UK delegation...
Dec 12th, 2016 - 11:20 pm - Link - Report abuse -11“Falklands lawmaker MLA Mike Summers was part of the UK delegation”
and “the Argentine Undersecretary for the Malvinas Islands, Antarctica and the South Atlantic” was there as part of the Argentine delegation - surely if here title meant anything she would be representing the Falkland Islands.
Dec 12th, 2016 - 11:49 pm - Link - Report abuse +9“The process is expected to get under way in mid-2017” - is that correct? surely that is the middle of winter in the FI unless of course they are just talking about the admin side - like applying to the FI Coroner for permission etc.
JAMES,
Dec 13th, 2016 - 12:44 am - Link - Report abuse +9“Voink” is just an outsider, a voyeur with a fertile and perverse imagination.
If he still insists that he is never wrong, pay no heed.
Simper simper....
Dec 13th, 2016 - 12:49 am - Link - Report abuse -8sick sick sick sycophant...
Awww,
Dec 13th, 2016 - 01:31 am - Link - Report abuse +7who's feeling left out?
You've said that before too....
Dec 13th, 2016 - 01:37 am - Link - Report abuse -9Do you want a link...;-))))))
You're obsessed by personal details of others.
Dec 13th, 2016 - 04:52 am - Link - Report abuse +9Are you that pathetic?
I'm sure that's been said before as well.
Mr. Darragh...
Dec 13th, 2016 - 09:30 am - Link - Report abuse -11You say...:
- “The process is expected to get under way in mid-2017” - is that correct? surely that is the middle of winter”
I say...:
- Yes...
- And...?
- Don't they work during winter in Ireland?
The Malvinas ain't the bloody Antarctic..., laddie...
Think/Voice/Nostrils and various other personas
Dec 13th, 2016 - 02:22 pm - Link - Report abuse +6Work in the winter!! - certainly not - we just sit around our cosy peat fires playing our fiddles, making up songs and writing some of the world's greatest literature.
What do you do in Argentina (sorry I mean the US where you actually live)...Laddie??
The FI may not be the Antarctic but wasn't one of the excuses for the poor performance of Argentine troops in 1982 the atrocious weather conditions in May and early June. Just worried about the weather affecting the 2 Argentine reps - wouldn't want their tosies to get cold would we?
Darragh,
Dec 13th, 2016 - 03:51 pm - Link - Report abuse +7I seem to recall that the Falkland Islanders and the British Armed Forces fought in the same war as Argentina, in the same weather - but they got things done !!
@D
Dec 13th, 2016 - 05:21 pm - Link - Report abuse +7“...excuses for the poor performance of Argentine troops in 1982...”
The principal reason for the poor performance was upper echelon leadership for their ground forces and their unwillingness to acknowledge the sort of maneuver warfare developed in the 1930s (relying instead on WWI-era static defences) along with remarkable misuse of considerable available resources. Let's say it again: lack of competent leadership.
@ Think
Dec 13th, 2016 - 08:00 pm - Link - Report abuse +4Winter, when the ground may be frozen, is hardly the most convenient time for digging up graves. Not to mention the lack of daylight hours for outdoor work. Sure, people work in winter, but why would they choose to do it then?
Mr.DemonTree...
Dec 13th, 2016 - 09:27 pm - Link - Report abuse -4You say...:
“Sure, people work in winter, but why would they choose to do it then?”
I say...:
“Wind...”
DT --- the ground is usually not “frozen” there in winter, as it would be, say, in a proper tundra region. In fact it normally doesn't stay below 0 C for long even in winter.
Dec 13th, 2016 - 10:44 pm - Link - Report abuse +4That said, I think winter was chosen so as to allow the argie team to suffer the most.
“Gales are frequent, especially during winter.”
Clever, those islanders.
Voice...“Huh..only two delegations The Argentine delegation and the UK delegation...”,
Dec 13th, 2016 - 11:05 pm - Link - Report abuse +4what is your point?
No, I can't say anything more, I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent.
Think/voice knows about “wind”
Dec 14th, 2016 - 12:14 am - Link - Report abuse +2TWIMC...
Dec 14th, 2016 - 02:38 am - Link - Report abuse -3“Wind”
https://weatherspark.com/averages/28800/Falkland-Islands-East-Falkland
Marti LLazo
Dec 14th, 2016 - 11:34 am - Link - Report abuse +1“Let's say it again: lack of competent leadership”
Quite right - I apologise if what I said was a slur on the ordinary Argentine troops involved, it wasn't intended as such.
Who issues death certificates in war btw? Is it up to the commanders of the nation's army of which a fallen soldier belonged to, or is it under the jurisdiction of the invaded territory (British territory in this case).
Dec 14th, 2016 - 12:39 pm - Link - Report abuse -2Yay...and a round of applause and 12 up ticks for James Marshall for his inability to read a post properly...this isn't the first time I've told him to get some specs...
Dec 14th, 2016 - 01:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“And Voice said the only job for the FI reps would be providing the catering services. ”
...and what did I really say..?
Roger Lorton
Negotiations naturally require compromise and quid pro quos. So Argentina got two forensic experts on the ICRC team - what did the Islanders get?
Voice
Lord Ton The Catering...?
See any mention of FI reps...?
Also tell me...who is going to provide the Catering for all these experts, workers and the Red Cross...huh...huh..?
Might it be the Islanders...?
“Voice...“Huh..only two delegations The Argentine delegation and the UK delegation...”,
what is your point?”
Yay...and a round of applause and 4 up ticks for James Marshall for his inability to follow a conversations from previous threads...
Bilateral...two delegations..a UK one and an Argentine one...
Argentina have no say about who comprises a UK delegation...
It could comprise of any Tom, Dick or Benny...
DemonTree
Graves nowadays are not dug with a couple of guys with a pick and shovel...
Two ton mini-digger with a ditching bucket is the nom...
...and wonder of all wonders they are equipped with lights for working in poor or no light...
...and in a forensic capacity...usually inside an erected tent..which surprisingly enough also provides shelter from the elements...not to mention the floodlights and heater lamps...
Mr. Voice...
Dec 14th, 2016 - 01:35 pm - Link - Report abuse -1You say...:
“Graves nowadays are not dug with a couple of guys with a pick and shovel...
Two ton mini-digger with a ditching bucket is the norm...
...and wonder of all wonders they are equipped with lights for working in poor or no light...
...and in a forensic capacity...usually inside an erected tent..which surprisingly enough also provides shelter from the elements...not to mention the floodlights and heater lamps...
I say...:
Right...
Not as in the good auld ”DemonTree“ days...:
”Could be worse... Could be raining”... ;-)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9AFf0ysgNiM
@ Voice
Dec 14th, 2016 - 01:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm sure using a digger is the norm. Will it be possible to do all the digging mechanically in this case? I don't know how precise those things are. And I'm sure they are equipped with lights etc, and it can be done in winter. It still seems odd to choose to do it then.
@ Fidel_CasTroll
Interesting question. I would think that the Argentine army would issue their own death certificates for soldiers killed in action no matter what Britain (or any other country where they might be deployed) did. But deaths of foreigners in the UK would normally be registered there. Is there an exception for enemy soldiers? And what if it was a prisoner of war who died?
.......................... The answer is blowin' in the WIND...
Dec 14th, 2016 - 02:00 pm - Link - Report abuse -2I thought the wind would be blocked by that nice forensic tent Voice mentioned?
Dec 14th, 2016 - 02:16 pm - Link - Report abuse +2But your weather site says it doesn't often go below -3C, so apparently it doesn't actually get any colder than in England, despite having a 'polar tundra climate'.
“Nice forensic tent”..., huhhh...
Dec 14th, 2016 - 02:36 pm - Link - Report abuse -1We are talking Patagonian wind here..., not gentle British breeze...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SiXEqAZLh8g
Who will do the digging and with what? Whoever does the work needs the agreement and support of the Falkland Islanders. To pretend they don't have input and a role is just ridiculous trolling.
Dec 14th, 2016 - 03:11 pm - Link - Report abuse +1@ Think
Dec 14th, 2016 - 03:29 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Wasn't my idea. I've seen tents blown away even by a 'gentle British breeze' (and one torn all down the side, but it was an old tent).
Just two wodds for Mr. Rha...
Dec 14th, 2016 - 03:29 pm - Link - Report abuse -1“Red Cross”...
Inform yourself...
DemonTree
Dec 14th, 2016 - 03:35 pm - Link - Report abuse -1I suggest you take a look at your local cemetery the next time a grave is dug...
It arrives on a trailer and is perfect for the job...no one digs graves manually anymore...
Are they precise...
I have a 1.5 ton Kubota, i bought a few years ago to do some landscaping in the garden...and also ditches for a ground source heat pump..
Two buckets, one grave width and the other for ditching or foundations...
I can scrape an inch off at a time and can get it through a 4 foot gate no bother...
Great heater in it too...windscreen wiper and radio/cd player....
...and the most important part...cup holder for my coffee....;-)
Mr. DemonTree
Dec 14th, 2016 - 03:51 pm - Link - Report abuse -1You say...:
“I've seen tents blown away even by a 'gentle British breeze'”...
I say...:
And that's one of the reasons the RED CROSS has chosen to work during our relatively WIND-CALM Patagonian winter...
Anyhow... their Hillebergs are good enough for our winds...
Mr. Voice...
Just a cupholder...?
Why not installing a Nespresso brewer...?
;-)
12 Volts Mr. Think...;-)
Dec 14th, 2016 - 03:54 pm - Link - Report abuse -1DemonTree
http://www.archaeologicalconservancy.org/revisiting-old-vero-man/
....now that's what I'm talking about...
Not a valid excuse..., Mr Voice... ;-)
Dec 14th, 2016 - 04:08 pm - Link - Report abuse -1https://www.amazon.co.uk/s/?ie=UTF8&keywords=dc%2Fac+inverter&tag=googhydr-21&index=aps&hvadid=155809709508&hvpos=1t1&hvnetw=g&hvrand=5857848684746986528&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=b&hvdev=t&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=2826&hvlocphy=1005010&hvtargid=kwd-39154560&ref=pd_sl_884szwhs50_b
I'm not convinced Mr. Think...
Dec 14th, 2016 - 04:21 pm - Link - Report abuse -1I seriously doubt the alternator could power the element...
Have you ever noticed in the States..the serious lack of Electric kettles and how one would be fascinated watching them boil water in a pan to make a cup of tea...?
Their 110 volts standard is not enough for the Kettle...takes forever...
Although I have noticed a lot of homes are upgrading to the 220/240 volts system, on a separate ring, but not for the standard outlets which are 110...
Slow brewing coffe pots are fine, but aren't those pod systems instant...?
Mr. Voice....
Dec 14th, 2016 - 04:41 pm - Link - Report abuse -1Thought your Kubota was in the UK... Therefore the Amazon - UK link...
Anyhow... if you replace your starter battery with a good deep cycle one..., there shouldn't be any problems for a 12v -110v inverter to produce enough juice...
No effort or expenditure is too big for a damn fine cup of coffe... ;-)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KxwcQ1dapw8
The Kubota is in the UK Mr. Think...
Dec 14th, 2016 - 05:16 pm - Link - Report abuse -1I was just using my experience of the 110 system in the States as an example of how even 110 struggles to power an instant type element...but are fine with the slow brewing coffee pot.
I'd probably be digging things just for the hell of it...;-)
Sounds fun...
Dec 14th, 2016 - 05:21 pm - Link - Report abuse -1Anyhow... We better stop this “Out of Topic” conversation before the Royal Canadian Topic Mounted Police arrives...
;-)
Right you are Guv...
Dec 14th, 2016 - 05:26 pm - Link - Report abuse -1I see you are not fooled easily either...;-)))
Utter rubbish troll. Are they importing a digger and a driver? I think not. How will they get a digger to the site? Where will they stay, how are they being fed? Typical Argentinian troll in denial. Without the support of the Islanders the project won't happen.
Dec 14th, 2016 - 06:21 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Witless Voice…..not my fault you are referencing the wrong thread….Malcorra confirms Falklands' representation in UK delegation to Red Cross discussions in Geneva
Dec 14th, 2016 - 06:30 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Clearly everyone was talking about the delegation to Geneva….except apparently you…..
HughJuanCoeurs
I'm sure that Think and Voice plus a few others will come up with something or other to deny that the Falkland Islands Government has any part to play other than being subsumed into the UK Government delegation. Oh... just to forestall you, Hepatia; England doesn't have any Malvinas to give back and couldn't, even if they did have some.
Voice
ICRC are an International organisation...
Job for the FCO....
My source...easy... the FIG didn't exist till 1985....
I've changed my opinion....
Benny come lately's...
Jo Bloggs
Voicey, you would try to sell coal to Newcastle; only trouble is they wouldn't buy it from you. 10/10 for perseverance though. Do your shoulders feel weighed down with all of the chips on them? Of course there is a key role for the FCO in this but only someone as bitter and twisted as you (Think) could say there is no role for FIG in negotiations.
Clearly there is a role and the FCO, ICRC and Argentine Governments have willingly said so
Do try to remember the objective here... you sill old fool. ;-))))
Voice
Of course there's a FIG role...
Someone needs to provide the refreshments....
I will forget about the specs Voice, it is quite clear who needs them.
Re: Kubota or mini digger use, would think very necessary if any frozen ground, looks tight between the lines of graves and in winter they will need good ground protection to avoid a quagmire. But I am sure the Islanders are quite capable of providing the necessary expertise.
Rha....
Dec 14th, 2016 - 06:32 pm - Link - Report abuse -2http://www.the-falkland-islands-co.com/node/48
Oh dear....;-)))
Mr. Voice...
Dec 14th, 2016 - 06:58 pm - Link - Report abuse -4Your link says...:
“With a selection of recently purchased JCBs available, including excavators, diggers, tractors and trailers, our new Building Services department has a selection of plant for hire to meet all your building needs.”
I say...:
Wooot...!
Just JCB's...?
No Kubota's...?
What a bunch of forgotgen, windblown rocks...!
Chuckle..., chuckle...
Great BBC4 programme on the Falklands, South Georgia and British Antarctic territory this evening. What gems they are. To keep them that way essential to maintain them as BOT's.
Dec 14th, 2016 - 10:34 pm - Link - Report abuse +3“To keep them that way essential to maintain them as BOT's.”..., says the Anglo Turnip...
Dec 14th, 2016 - 10:50 pm - Link - Report abuse -2(”Four territories that the United Kingdom is ultimately responsible for do appear in OXFAM's list over the World's worst Tax Havens...: The Cayman Islands..., Jersey..., Bermuda..., The British Virgin Islands...)
https://www.oxfam.org/en/tags/tax-havens
- To keep them that way essential to maintain them as BOT's...................., indeed...
I'm still curious about this death certificate question. Does no one here know anything about it? Surely prisoners of war who die must get death certificates even if enemy combatants killed within a country's borders don't?
Dec 15th, 2016 - 12:13 am - Link - Report abuse +1KFC probably has squillions of your stolen money stashed in our tax havens Stink. Think about that.. ! Insult on top of injury..
Dec 15th, 2016 - 12:25 am - Link - Report abuse +1Chuckle chuckle…
England will return the Malvinas within 25 years.
Dec 15th, 2016 - 03:35 am - Link - Report abuse -7Hepathetic, if you are referring to Malvina Panecetti and Malvina di Benedictini, it is my understanding that they don't wish to be returned to anyone, least of all their former spouses.
Dec 15th, 2016 - 12:06 pm - Link - Report abuse +1My good friend, Walter Gasquet(q.e.p.d.) - “porteño de primera clase” - always used to tell me that the extreme weather conditions which prevail in the Falklands would deter Argentina and and its people from ever achieving the aim of colonising the archipelago.
Dec 16th, 2016 - 08:27 am - Link - Report abuse +1Gordo, 'tis often said that every argento is willing to die for the islands but none is willing to actually live there.
Dec 16th, 2016 - 11:30 am - Link - Report abuse +2Marti Llazo
Dec 16th, 2016 - 11:42 am - Link - Report abuse +1Walter me decía que, además del clima, les habrán falta los boliches y los bares.
@gordo Y no solo eso, en las islas faltan paco argentino (que no es el Paco chileno, un amigo en tu camino) o sea, la pasta base de cocaína, imprescindible para toda comunidad argentina.
Dec 16th, 2016 - 12:19 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Voice
Dec 16th, 2016 - 01:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Huh..only two delegations The Argentine delegation and the UK delegation...
“Falklands lawmaker MLA Mike Summers was part of the UK delegation”
But, most importantly, not part of the Argentine delegation.
Darragh
and “the Argentine Undersecretary for the Malvinas Islands, Antarctica and the South Atlantic” was there as part of the Argentine delegation - surely if here title meant anything she would be representing the Falkland Islands.
Interesting who the actual inhabitants of the islands, chose to sit next to.
Thus continues the ongoing fable, ”Argentina in denial”.
Next thrilling instalment soon.
Marti Llazo
Dec 18th, 2016 - 05:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Corrección “les harán falta los boliches” etc.
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