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Patagonia/Falklands links under consideration by Aerolineas, reveals Chubut governor
The Argentine government is considering the possibility of having Aerolineas Argentinas fly round trips to the Falklands from Trelew or from Comodoro Rivadavia, or alternatively Trelew/Rio Gallegos/Falklands, according to Patagonian Chubut province governor Mario Das Neves. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesDidn't the Islanders previously determine that Aerolineas was not an acceptable option?
Feb 04th, 2017 - 01:26 pm - Link - Report abuse +8Who would want to fly Aerolineas, why not Austral a much better airline, or was when I was there.
Feb 04th, 2017 - 02:13 pm - Link - Report abuse +6Another empty Argentine statement...that will go nowhere.
Feb 04th, 2017 - 04:12 pm - Link - Report abuse +6Only the Falkland Islands Government will decide which Airlines can fly to and from the Islands, but I doubt any of them will be Argentine.
@ golfie
Feb 04th, 2017 - 05:08 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Austral is owned and operated by Aerolineas. But you knew that.
I think it would be a very good overture towards loosing the hate and cultivating the friendship that always was, until the say Falkland's has it's own carrier (hopefully that too not just given by another country!). There should be cheap cheap flights for the islands to all Argentine neighboring cities to improve the quality of life on the islands and to cultivate and nurture its people's own ideas for living a more well rounded life on the islands. Tight friendship between the Falklands and Argentina is the best thing that could happen to the Falklands future and its perhaps, 'one day' complete autonomy. The only matter that needs to be resolved (and the Falklanders could have a creative initiative in this) is the denial of Argentina's right to argue its acquired amount of rights by 1833. Whatever they were, looking at them can only lead to an acceptable proposal to Argentina, once we have both parities looking at the same page and book. To me it could never lead to Argentine total and complete sovereignty unless some day the islanders where in a position where the saw it was the best thing for the islands. Rather what I think is that Argentina could be proposed as an answer to their sovereignty claim and modest level of consolidation it had achieved of their rights to being or having on the islands; is sovereign individual rights, without governmental rights. In other words, they can live there, and buy property carry out business like anyone else, and require no visa, mirroring what Argentina offers the islanders. Territoriality concerning government, things can be worked out outside the islands, concerning the rest of the territorial claims in the South Atlantic.
Feb 04th, 2017 - 06:41 pm - Link - Report abuse -17Patrick, you ignore the obvious flaw in your argument....
Feb 04th, 2017 - 06:51 pm - Link - Report abuse +13Argentina has NO rights. It can argue all it likes, but it has acquired NO rights. Nada. Zilch.
Patrick Edgar - good day!
Feb 04th, 2017 - 07:30 pm - Link - Report abuse +10Just when is it the intention of Argentina to establish “tight friendship” with the people of the Falkland Islands? There is absolutely NO evidence that Argentina has any intentions to do anything but realise its ambition to colonise the Falklands archipelago.
Yes Marti but better maintained and operated and better aircraft.
Feb 04th, 2017 - 08:01 pm - Link - Report abuse +3Sorry, Patricio, no cigar. The islanders don't want to have anything to do with Argentina. Nor will they for the next 200 or so years. Long and painful experience has taught not just the Falklanders but all the neighbours about the deceit and aggression that is in the dark soul of Argentina.
Feb 04th, 2017 - 09:19 pm - Link - Report abuse +7“The Argentine government is considering the possibility of having Aerolineas Argentinas fly round trips to the Falklands” HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!
Feb 04th, 2017 - 10:14 pm - Link - Report abuse +3If these argy planes come within Falkland's airspace is this a provocative act
Feb 05th, 2017 - 12:41 am - Link - Report abuse +7Edgar
the friendship that always was, until -
the gigantic aggressive militarised argentine government then invaded this unarmed peaceful un-threatening tiny little island , without provocation, and directly caused the deaths of over 600 innocent lives,
and you have the Gaul to say=the friendship that always was, until ,
with friends like them, who need enemies..
@patricio “....for living a more well rounded life on the islands....”
Feb 05th, 2017 - 02:51 am - Link - Report abuse +7This is part of the too-often heard crocodile-tears scam, that selfless Argentina only wishes the best for those poor poor disadvantaged people on the islands and if only they will come to Jesús el Argento then their poor poor sorry souls will be so so so enrichened by 21 percent IVA, crooked social plans, legions of murdering motochorros, putrid Fernet, mountains of yerba dross, the congenital inability to properly pronounce desayuno and llaves, and the worst national mismanagement this side of Somalia.
Anyone who believes that Argentina would respect any sort of pluralism or even consideration for the islanders need only look back to 1908 and what happened to immigrants such as the Welsh in Chubut. Since that year Argentina's educational policy has been to aggressively argentinify immigrants and strip them of their earlier national identities. It worked very well to destroy the Boer and Welsh immigrant cultures, of which very little remains today. The islanders are not so stupid as to fail to recognise this aspect of Argentine aggression.
Do these Dumb Arses never understand reality?
Feb 05th, 2017 - 10:26 am - Link - Report abuse +71. For any commercial Airline to consider a service to the Islands it has to negotiate with the Airline Authorities in the Islands it wishes to operate to.
2. The Falkland Islands are a self Governing Territory with their own Dept of Civil Aviation as part of the Falkland Islands Govt.- If somebody wishing to start a flight service to here were to contact London-London would simply refer them to the Falkland Islands Authority telling them to contact them.
3. Aerolineas Arg is largely State owned by the Arg Govt.
4. Arg Govt refuses to recognise that there is any such organisation as the Falkland Islands Govt and that we are a NON existent people with no rights.
So do tell us Governor - are your national Govt and people going to to a 100% about turn and recognise that the Falkland Islands Govt legally exists and IS the Govt of the Falkland Islands?
Because unless you are - you are talking the usual pie-in-the sky - Argentine tripe.
Patrick Edgar
Feb 05th, 2017 - 10:38 am - Link - Report abuse +9“loosing the hate”
Cultivated entirely by Argentina, therefore eliciting a sceptical response from the Islanders.
Do you possibly think the Channel Islanders want the Germans back, even over 60 years after WW2?
“nurture its people's own ideas for living a more well rounded life on the island”
I'm intrigued, why exactly in your opinion, do you think that the Falkland Islanders would have a more rounded life by visiting Argentina?
Are you aware that the Islanders actually do travel around the world on their holidays, they don't all stay put on the Falklands.
Why has the worldwide travel they have done since 1986, not made them more rounded?
“the denial of Argentina's right to argue its acquired amount of rights by 1833.”
And what 'acquired rights' are these exactly? I assume you have read something of pre-1833 history of the South Atlantic during the early 19th century?
And of the exact events of 1833?
“ In other words, they [Argentines ] can live there, and buy property carry out business like anyone else, and require no visa”
If they become Falkland Islanders, can they not do that already?
The original Vernet settlers that came from what is now Argentina and Uruguay chose to stay on the Islands in 1833 under British rule, including Antonina Roxa who later owned a ranch near Stanley. So clearly they wanted to be Islanders, albeit then under more direct British rule. These days, the Islanders have a lineage going back up to 9 generations(i.e. some families have not just stepped off the Voyageur) so it is reasonable to suggest that people wanting to live in the Falkland Islands at present, want to be Falkland Islanders.
“ and its perhaps, 'one day' complete autonomy.”
That's the best thing you've suggested, as long as 'one day' the Islanders vote to become independent.
If they wish to continue to be British, that is also their right.
Patrick Edgar? Is that you Pat the Rat Regini? I heard you'd been imprisoned..... was it a tunnel?
Feb 05th, 2017 - 11:41 am - Link - Report abuse +5Not sure about this news item. Which bit of “not an Argentine airline” did Gov. Neves fail to understand?
What about a Falklands Islands airline operating to the South American mainland, say Punta Arenas and also to Montevideo with a stop over in Buenos Aires, where there are connections to almost the entire world?. Transit passengers would not have to enter Argentina and those going on to Montevideo would remain onboard the aircraft.
Feb 05th, 2017 - 12:01 pm - Link - Report abuse +2The Chubut Governor has little understanding of reality. Aerolinas Argentinas will not be flying to the Falkland Islands from anywhere.
Feb 05th, 2017 - 01:06 pm - Link - Report abuse +3Period.
It is a waste of time engaging with Patrick, he just bumbles around Facebook writing rambling posts thin on facts and thick with falsehoods, I guess he has been removed from all the groups he trolls so has moved onto here, mind you on the plus side he is an excellent cure for insomnia.
Feb 05th, 2017 - 04:27 pm - Link - Report abuse +4Patrick Edgar how's the shower block in Oahu Community Correctional Center have you learned how to pick the slippery soap up yet without bending over. Back against the wall stoop down keeping a wary eye open for the big Kānaka Maoli. You must be behaving yourself as you are now on one of the jails computers. Keep up the good work Patrick and next time dont kick off at the judge and you won't be held in contempt. Silly Patrick
Feb 05th, 2017 - 11:46 pm - Link - Report abuse +4...you must all be thinking of someone else
Feb 06th, 2017 - 02:36 pm - Link - Report abuse -6This guy...?...;-)
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Argentina always played down it's argument over the Falkland Malvinas Islands sovereignty conflict and always shied away from being more assertive about it because more importantly it needed to have good relations with Britain, and when it didn't need to, it had to. Just like when Britain and France wanted to bomb their way through Argentina and Uruguay to have unregulated free commercial industrial access into the then still consolidating Plata River states of 1845.
Feb 06th, 2017 - 04:13 pm - Link - Report abuse -11You know; the thing about Britain's prowess in its political use of our social means of communications, is that through the use of language also, it's true motives and intentions become revealed before a world that always belonged to the entire Human Race equally, today each and every one of us 7 billion, ... and when you read country titles like “United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland” as Ireland came way before G.B. or U.K, or when so many of your people carry on about the Falkland Islands as they the came into existence thawed out of some mythical iceberg, and Argentina had nothing to do with, nor was nowhere around the time of its Colonial formation during Spain and Britain's colonization of the Islands; one is just touched by how it says everything your country's hurdled “versions” try so diligently and dignantly to sweep the tracks of.
@ Patricio “....Argentina always played down it's argument over the Falkland Malvinas Islands sovereignty conflict and always shied away from being more assertive ......”
Feb 06th, 2017 - 05:12 pm - Link - Report abuse +6Apparently an illegal armed invasion and occupation isn't really being “assertive.”
Che, boludeces leemos todos los días, pero ésa gana el premio.
The one thing I like about you Patrick is that if I am a little restless at night and I am tossing and turning all I have to do is just get up for two hours and bingo after two hours of reading the epistles that you write I go back bed and sleep like a baby
Feb 06th, 2017 - 06:29 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Womble. You're typically revealing British attitude of shouting ”Argentina (or any other country for that matter) has No Rights”, is simply a lie. It is wrong. Argentina has the same country any country has in counterclaiming land against another country. You don't like if of course because to accept that means you are obligated to revise your past actions before the world. Something Britain in particular hates with a passion. ... A robber's passion that is. I would be uncomfortable too if I thought of my self as The Great United Kingdom of the English ruled land of the Planet, and later was shown to all those country and peoples I thought of myself superior to and better than, just how much freedom and self fulfillment I ruined for other countries because I wanted some of what they had and made them do things my way so that I could.
Feb 06th, 2017 - 08:02 pm - Link - Report abuse -11Patrick Edgar. Pruebe su propio idioma - ¡no lo entendemos nada!
Feb 06th, 2017 - 08:55 pm - Link - Report abuse +3@patricio
Feb 06th, 2017 - 09:46 pm - Link - Report abuse +5“....Argentina has the same country any country has in counterclaiming land against another country. ...”
-- Just as any country that gets invaded by Argenzuela has the right to kick its little pink arse up, down, and repeatedly.
El resto no tengo la más mínima idea que el tipo quiere decir.
Mirá, patricio, los isleños son mayores de edad y en su sano juicio, y no quieren tener nada que ver con la Argentina. ¿Qué parte de NO no entendés?
Yup - that's Pat the Rat Regini LOL - the Italian who claims to be (variously) a US citizen, an Argentine citizen and a citizen of the world (but he only has an italian passport) :-)
Feb 06th, 2017 - 11:38 pm - Link - Report abuse +4The fate of nations cannot and should never be the will of just one other country. As such, we human beings are tried immensely to find the way of perfect respect among us all on the planet, and thus we must argue our sovereignty national foundation often, when things are unclear. It is the way it has always been. Because we err, and nations abuse, this is World common knowledge, we respect by natural reaction and intuition the disgruntlement of another simply because chances are they have at very least one good point to make against their belittling dis-honorers. Human logical scientific reasoning is as we know condemned to fail before nature and our own kind, always, imagine the “international organizing ideas” of just one country imposed upon the rest ! Is any country asking what other countries want anymore!? English written international legal structures so boastfully held as the reason for why Britain is right about what is delineated in them, have only been working to whatever proficiency they do, because of a majority that simply goes along with them. you're power and industry strata Geneva legal warring conventions, stands on no holy ground, nor do your Right to have the Malvinas or Falklands.
Feb 07th, 2017 - 12:21 am - Link - Report abuse -10Britain wasn't as serious about the islands as Argentina was, those islands were about to be a whole and integral part of one nation. Britain still questioned how important they were and how much they should be British. Argentina never did. I believe here in may lie some of the motivating factors for Britain. Not much more back then. The loss was the loss of ever having them itself. The proof is that regardless of Argentine actions, Britain went about the business of keeping the Argentine from ever settling. The thought of “shouldn't these islands be Argentine?” Will never disappear, before of after 1833 or 1982, as long as this is how Britain handles the matter, simply because Britain thinks it's good to have it's authority challenged by some countries.
Remember what we saying about the need for better mental health care in Argentina?
Feb 07th, 2017 - 12:40 am - Link - Report abuse +3By the way @Pete Bog, I can tell by the way you arrange your statements, that you are just one of the masses among those who are eager to see who the next “enemy country” competitor is. As I can see you have no clue, nor care to include as in the case of Roger Lorton, the reality of the Argentine and their Country at the time. To people like you it is irrelevant to British militant reasoning's warring mentality. But were you an Argentine, you too would be thinking “what is wrong with these people! what country do they believe to be talking about!?” The Argentine also were “invaded” by the Military Junta, which at first your own country supported. Would you like me to go there? Moreover they suffered a thousand times more than your poor little spooked and sheltered islanders at the hands of the Military Junta. Argentina was surprised overnight by the Junta's ploy, and never once in its two hundred years to this day did ever the people have a single military aggressive thought against the islands or against Britain, because of this always considered political diplomatic matter. That's not how the people understood or viewed the islanders or the subject matter. But Britain sought to bury that reality, as it needed the opposite for its long term plan. In fact this is what British interest on the Islands always fought in silence with the help of “the Island's Brits who controlled the island's financial aspects”.
Feb 07th, 2017 - 01:02 am - Link - Report abuse -11Regarding the islands; Britain, in absolute absence of any threat, has always had a policy of barring indirectly the Argentine and Islanders from becoming too acquainted or friendly. Yet both islanders and British lie about that, or defend themselves by insinuating that “had they not been that way, Argentina would have... ” which is of course ridiculous, because Argentina never saw the dispute as a military matter but has for 200 years only been lifting its voice with the intent of having talks over the conflict. You want to argue that? ... Prove the opposite.
England will return the Malvinas within 25 years.
Feb 07th, 2017 - 01:17 am - Link - Report abuse -10@ Roger -- you are right about Regini. Here he is, a perfect example of what happens when you over-do the drugs for waaaay too long.
Feb 07th, 2017 - 02:17 am - Link - Report abuse +3https://www.facebook.com/patrick.regini
PD - You'll love his cat pictures.
Gordo 1; by Countries NOT holding “Extranational Territories” I mean those countries whose governments solely represent one nation and it's people. A single representation without “if whys or buts”. As opposed to a country holding “extra national territories” which expects exceptions to be made for it in different decision making processes of international affairs, instead of being equalized with all nations naturally by their singular societies. Thus countries that have “extra-national territories” behave in the international arena of administration, negotiations and politics very differently to those that don't, they have the option of representing themselves as one when its convenient or as many when it is not. Of course it doesn't always matter to all of the world's countries at the same time, it only becomes a problem with an event's particular circumstances. Yet the list of destabilizing effects it has in a world where nations are supposed to stand equal before one another, creating void spaces or disproportionate advantages is long, besides getting in the way of a People's right to having direct full spectrum and unimpaired communication or bond with one another or with whoever they well please. They are systems that purport to no longer be colonies, yet they continue to administrate a group of people separately or cause problems to arise with other countries. Large scale matters, in industry or politics or business abound in them, affairs are seldom proportionate or reflective of the local population. Its like the ruling country sporadically for periods at a time pops up somewhere entirely different to where it is situated. And that is not just, that is not fair to the rest.
Feb 07th, 2017 - 04:47 am - Link - Report abuse -8This is a small ball of a planet and we are many. No one should have “first dibs” in places far away unrelated geographically. Countries must be administratively compatible, and that is impossible as long as some countries believe they have more right to the world than others do.
What verbosity! But you say ABSOLUTELY nothing!
Feb 07th, 2017 - 06:35 am - Link - Report abuse +5Just take you nonsense elsewhere - waste of time!
yup - still a long-winded twit, Pat the rat :-)
Feb 07th, 2017 - 06:47 am - Link - Report abuse +4You do know that there are Argentines living on the Falklands? Always have been.
But then, you actually know very little, don't you Pat?
Has anybody any idea what Pat Ed is on about?
Feb 07th, 2017 - 11:54 am - Link - Report abuse +5For instance ...“and when you read country titles like “United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland” as Ireland came way before G.B. or U.K” - what????
Answers on a post card to....
Excessive exposure to hard drugs. That's the only reasonable explanation. Either that, or he's argento.
Feb 07th, 2017 - 12:20 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Have you said sorry to the judge yet Patrick. You know its the right thing to do
Feb 07th, 2017 - 12:21 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Hey Patrick I seen your drug addled ramblings still going on
Feb 07th, 2017 - 12:24 pm - Link - Report abuse +3I know I blocked most of your ids on Facebook so it was nice to see you got bail, hope you have been practising picking up the soap without bending over
Well I won't bother you anymore but please cut down on the drugs you know I've been concerned your gonna kill yourself if you don't cut down
Hey you might even start to make sense and ramble less
Take care patdick
Yet, in a way, he's the perfect spokesman for Argentina: rambling, senseless, incoherent, unabashed criminality and psychiatric problems. He and the Pet Troll ought to get together. They could even start a radio show
Feb 07th, 2017 - 05:11 pm - Link - Report abuse +2http://www.independent.co.uk/news/media/listen-with-the-crazies-1311750.html
Marti llazo our dear Patrick is a troll in his own right
Feb 07th, 2017 - 06:48 pm - Link - Report abuse +4A member of many Facebook groups where he accuses anyone who disagrees with his self medicated opinions as terrorist a system that had backfired when the Hawaii police caught up with him lol
Hi Patrick, I'll ignore the personal attacks, but I do wonder about your contention that Argentina has the same rights as any country to claim the Falklands? The same as Paraguay? Or Chad? Or Vietnam? This could take quite a while if any country can simply claim a piece of land and expect it to be delivered to them. Any thoughts on why there might be the odd antagonism towards certain people in Argentina from Falkland Islanders? Invasion? Killing?
Feb 07th, 2017 - 09:27 pm - Link - Report abuse +6Killing?
Feb 07th, 2017 - 09:56 pm - Link - Report abuse -7Soldiers and civilians were killed needlessly because Argentina invaded the Falklands. Sorry if this is news.
Feb 07th, 2017 - 10:01 pm - Link - Report abuse +7The Argentine government does not determine anything at all to do with The Falkland Islands. Nothing. Nada.
Feb 07th, 2017 - 10:06 pm - Link - Report abuse +6Any Kelpers killed by Argies...?
Feb 07th, 2017 - 10:55 pm - Link - Report abuse -6Yes Think - 3 killed by the Argentine invasion
Feb 07th, 2017 - 11:41 pm - Link - Report abuse +5Civilians - residents and merchant seaman. Needlessly killed as a direct result of Argentina invading the Falklands. Sorry if you've been sheltered from this. It was in 1982. After 35 years, warring countries have often put the past behind them - look at Germany and France. But then Germany didn't continue to claim part of France after WW2, or changed its constitution to annex part of a foreign country. Germans realised it had done bad and tried to reintegrate with the rest of the world....
Feb 07th, 2017 - 11:49 pm - Link - Report abuse +6Ya mean..., them 3 Engrish Kelpers killed by Engrish indiscriminate shelling of Engrish civilian dwellings in Puerto Estanley during the ill planned 1982 Argentinean Armed Farces recovery of them windblown Islands caused by the Engrish invasion of them aforementioned Islands in 1833...?
Feb 07th, 2017 - 11:54 pm - Link - Report abuse -6I think you will find that OCCUPIED Germany didn't have a choice...
Feb 08th, 2017 - 12:25 am - Link - Report abuse -6Remember-member-member What a Womble, Womble, Womble you are...
Mr. womble
Feb 08th, 2017 - 12:35 am - Link - Report abuse -7Coldnt agree more with you...!
Civilians, soldiers, seamen and pilots... Needlessly killed as a direct result of England invading the Malvinas... Sorry if you've been sheltered from this... It was in 1833....After 184 years, warring Countries have often put the past behind them - look at England Vs. The Rest of the World... England didn't (with small exceptions, as the Malvinas Islands) continue to claim 2/3 of the world... The Engrish realised they had done bad and tried to reintegrate with the rest of the world...
That's why..., we Argies are willing to give you, former Engrish pirates, one more chance to mend their crooked ways...
Ah wobble the peronist indoctrination is strong in this one
Feb 08th, 2017 - 01:00 am - Link - Report abuse +5He actually believes that a couple of seaman and officers telling the illegal United provinces garrison to take down their rag and go home which they did peacefully
We then dealt with the gentlemen that had asked British govt permission to set up a settlement which he then tried without authority to hand over to a foreign power
That little usurpation of British power was ended peacefully in 1833 returning the islands to their rightful govt that being London
Then 1982 the Argentine junta using perons mythical history tried to unite the people behind them instead of against them
They illegal invaded the islands and just after 70 days they were ejected this time by force after their practice of putting guns and ammo dumps amongst the civilians homes and painted red crosses on buildings their officers had stolen so they wouldn't be attacked knowing that the British respected the red cross and the Geneva convention something Argentine forces didn't
Well after June 14th the Argentine troops were taken home on a cruise ship that the junta had claimed was sitting on the sea floor
So the illegal occupation of British sovereign territory from the first of April to the fourteenth of June 1982 was over
And just one finally note Think sometime this spring, a book called the first causality, is being published, this book was written with the aid of the royal marines, Argentine military, the Falklands defence force and civilians who were there on the 1 of April
And this book shows the truth hidden by your junta that a small military force of professional and part time soldiers faced overwhelming odds and managed to kill around 100 of the invading soldiers for a few scratches done back to them
Arhhh..the bulshit is strong in that one...
Feb 08th, 2017 - 01:13 am - Link - Report abuse -5“That little usurpation of British power was ended peacefully in 1833 returning the islands to their rightful govt that being London ”
Returning East Falkland to London in 1833...if that's the case do you care to explain why they had never occupied it until 1833...?
...and I mean never ever....
I luuuuuuuuv those ellipsis...
Feb 08th, 2017 - 01:18 am - Link - Report abuse -6;-)
Ah got me some new Sport...Mr. Think...
Feb 08th, 2017 - 01:24 am - Link - Report abuse -3A bit of fresh meat to devour I reckon...
I hope they really know their history...;-)))
The Falklands are still British. Someone tell voicey / tinkle.
Feb 08th, 2017 - 01:32 am - Link - Report abuse +8At P Edgar
Feb 08th, 2017 - 01:34 am - Link - Report abuse +7Why should the UK change its behaviour on the international stage because of the Falklands Islands? The Islands are a territory that has decided, democratically to have a relationship with the UK as opposed to another country that invaded it, and in the last 10-15 deliberately tried to punish the Islands for standing up for their rights? If you apply your own argument how does Argentina gaining possession of the Falklands by an invasion or constant bullying, not to mention refusing to talk to the Islanders, lead to nations standing equally with each other? Especially of the inhabitants of those Islands made a democratic decision to have a relationship with the UK. After all, if you are saying that people have a right to full communication with whoever they please, why not allow the Falkland Islands to trade freely with yourself and other countries to develop ‘good neighbourly relations’ – was it not Argentina to tore up prior agreements on joint fishing management and hydrocarbon exploration and complain when the Falklands attempts to develop relationships and communications with other countries in the region? Surely to criticise the Falklands and UK smacks of hypocrisy when the Islands have been treated so badly by a neighbour.
If you wanted to build a relationship, why not look at what Macri is trying to do and support that? Surely if you wanted to convince the Islanders that the best way forward would be to be part of Argentina, why are you not courting them with resources, and demonstrating that you are clearing up corruption in your country to a point where the Islanders can trust that they won’t get shafted by a future Argentine government (kicked off the land Mugabe style)? Why don't you drop your sovereignty claim, accept the Islanders right to self- determination, and work in partnership to create incentives over the long term that would lead the Islanders to democratically decide that their future was better being part of Argentina?
According to Britain... and supported by...?
Feb 08th, 2017 - 01:35 am - Link - Report abuse -6I'm sure the list is endless, I just can't find the beginning...
I mean the 3 Islanders killed as a direct result of Argentina's illegal and immoral invasion, declaring rights based upon a myth of inheritance; ie. no rights at all.
Feb 08th, 2017 - 01:53 am - Link - Report abuse +61833? Of no consequence. BA was warned in 1829 and 1832, but then, as now, Argies were too arrogant to listen. If Argentina had not invaded in 1982, those people may still be alive today. Time to grow up Think - even for you.
As Voice appears to know as little as you do Think, I see a history lesson is in order. The 1771 accord established a status quo of England in the West and Spain in the East, which is why, when Spain left in 1811, the claim posted onto the church door at Soledad was for ONE island - East Falkland.
Spain still claimed that island in 1833 but Spain did not protest Britain's action nor its annexation of East Falkland.
Argentina, or more specifically Buenos Aires Province, was never in the game. Revolutionaries emancipate themselves, they do not 'inherit.' The pretensions of Buenos Aires were even rejected by the Chamber of Deputies in 1882 during the inquiry into the Vernet family claims for compensation.
Argentina has never had a valid claim; which is why Argentina has never attempted to take a case to the ICJ.
Bottom line? 3 innocents died because of argentina. And no amount of wriggling by a first generation Argie can avoid that unpalatable fact Think
Voice, the UN fully supports the Islanders' rights to self-determination. Why do you think that the C24 hasn't had the courage to recommend its own Falklands resolution to the GA for adoption for 28 years?
Nope Roger..., you mean the 3 Islanders killed by a direct hit of Engrish naval artillery...
Feb 08th, 2017 - 02:11 am - Link - Report abuse -8Bottom line? 3 innocents died because of England. And no amount of wriggling by a Brummie Ex-Pat in South East Asia can avoid that unpalatable fact Roger
Live your myths Think. Without Argentina those people would still be with us. Squirm all you like. You fool nobody.
Feb 08th, 2017 - 02:17 am - Link - Report abuse +8No myths..., laddie...
Feb 08th, 2017 - 02:50 am - Link - Report abuse -7Just the truth...
”Susan Whitley, Doreen Bonner and Mary Goodwin... They were killed by British shelling (accidentally of course) when they were sheltering in a house together during the naval bombardment of Stanley....
The women’s names do not appear on the Falklands memorial in the crypt of St. Paul’s Cathedral which is a memorial to the Task Force only. But they are remembered in the Falklands memorial chapel in Pangbourne, in a forest of trees planted in the Falklands and on the Liberation Monument in front of the Secretariat in Stanley...
They are remembered too by the South Atlantic Medal Association which has created a Garden of Remembrance for all the British dead on the web – though they haven’t yet worked out how to say these women were killed by the British....
The Pangbourne chapel website avoids the issue and says ‘three islanders who died in the fighting’...
On the Ministry of Defence website for Operation Corporate (as they call it) there is a Roll of Honour which includes the three women (under RAF and others) – uniquely, I imagine, civilians remembered along with the military dead. But what kind of a mentality is this – that they can calmly include the civilians they killed in this way...?”
http://www.ppu.org.uk/falklands/falklands3.html
Civilians that Argentina killed Think - keep squirming
Feb 08th, 2017 - 02:59 am - Link - Report abuse +7As tempting as it is to just pick one of your self centered comments, so vulnerable in their self serving status quo wordage and goal minded reasoning as opposed to truth minded reasoning, I won't. Simply because I will not lend myself to such unfair disparity. However, you are more than welcomed to try and last in one of my groups, where people are not attacked or slandered at the personal level nor called names and insults, and the intent is to actually talk about something significant.
Feb 08th, 2017 - 03:13 am - Link - Report abuse -8www facebook.com /groups/ South.American.British.conflicts
www facebook.com /groups/ sovereign.land
www facebook.com /groups/ southatlantic.history
And for and for Islanders only, and Argentinians.
www facebook.com /groups/ Southatlantic.discussion
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My facebook ban is over in 12 hours, for those who were hoping that's what the case was.
Thanks for those that truly believe in what they say, and among those to those who believe in some form of compromise and completely revealed truth to all parties concerned, and to those who need not restrain themselves in order to not attack people with name calling or insults. I would have participated in this post more, but the settings are that no one can answer until someone else answers first. Things that sound like they should work well, sometimes do not at all.
Still full of cr*p Pat the Rat.
Feb 08th, 2017 - 03:16 am - Link - Report abuse +8Banned from Facebook?
Locked up by the US authorities?
So, how's your year going so far? :-)
poor little think and voice sound like they are the same idiots
Feb 08th, 2017 - 09:29 am - Link - Report abuse +6and of course drug addled jailbird patdick
lovely people you find hear roger lol
time to go back to something more useful
malvanist and junkies are boring
have a great day roger
Something more useful like...
Feb 08th, 2017 - 09:51 am - Link - Report abuse -4Learning to write, using punctuation, learning to spell and of course...
A crash course in history...
Hey Voice, I will ask again on this thread as you avoided all the other times I asked, don't be shy, just answer......
Feb 08th, 2017 - 10:30 am - Link - Report abuse +5Who in 2017, other than the Islanders, has the right to claim East Falkland.......
The archipelago in question is a British Overseas Territory, just as there is an overseas collectivity of Saint Pierre and Miquelon 25 km off the coast of Canada, the islands being quite respected as French by the civilised nations.
Feb 08th, 2017 - 12:53 pm - Link - Report abuse +5Keywords: British, respected, civilised
Get over it.
Indeed the three Falkland civilians killed were the direct result of an Argentine invasion as were all the British sailors airmen soldiers along with all the civilians who were killed on board all the ships that were hit. I am not personally bothered about the Argentine casualties in the least.. I take the view Argentina was responsible for all those as well. You reap what you sow and Argentina sowed the seeds that killed every person in that war. Of course if you were to talk to the average Argentine of today they will tell you it's not there fault.
Feb 08th, 2017 - 01:05 pm - Link - Report abuse +8They will blame the Junta, it's like Nooo sir it was not me it's that that boy standing over there that started it all all I did was help him. It is always blame someone else with these people, it is never ever their fault. Well sorry IT is your fault you and your fathers mothers grandparents encouraged the invasion, and dont ever tell me that you were powerless to do anything because it was a dictatorship. You all got rid of them pretty quickly when it all wentv south for your ambition in taking the Falklands.
Ho sempre avuto una grande ammirazione per gli italiani, ma dopo aver letto i contributi di Patrick Edgar forse dovrò cambiare le mie idee. Che stupido, lui è!
Feb 08th, 2017 - 07:05 pm - Link - Report abuse +4gordo1 thanks for the laugh you have patrick to perfection
Feb 08th, 2017 - 08:38 pm - Link - Report abuse +5his stupidity may be down to drug abuse
@survak
Feb 09th, 2017 - 11:34 am - Link - Report abuse +1Were all of patrick's convictions on nonviolent offenses?
Patrick
Feb 09th, 2017 - 06:23 pm - Link - Report abuse +5“and among those to those who believe in some form of compromise and completely revealed truth to all parties concerned”
Why should the Falkland Islanders compromise when the Argentine claim is so weak and riddled with untruths, to be almost negligible?
Only, those born in the Islands or those who are citizens of the Falkland Islands have the final say.
Not Argentinians.
Not those resident in the UK.
Not the rest of the world.
If your country were clever enough NOT to treat the Islanders as if they were your Amerindians, whose rights are STILL being abused by Argentina, then your countrymen could get employment in the Islands and supply goods/ services to the Islands, for which your country would receive income.
Therefore it would GAIN from the Islands.
If you think that Argentina is entitled to some of the Falkland Islands, then prove it at the ICJ, with indisputable historical evidence that counters Britain's claims since 1690 effectively.
Another obvious fact. Most Argentines don't want to live in the Falklands, they are TOO SOFT.
Compare the population in the South of Argentina to that in Northern Argentina .
Where do most of the 40 million Argentines live?
And why do you think that is?
Can I ask you, what use would any of the Falkland Islands be to Argentina?
Your countrymen don't want to live there.
Your countrymen can't even survive without being within a 10 mile radius of a CT scanner.
40 000 000 of your countrymen can't mange money properly, 3000 Islanders can.
You send Argentines to substandard Universities.
Falkland Islanders have the choice (paid for by the FIG), to attend Universities, anywhere they wish.
Your country cannot control its fishing zones properly with a population of 40 000 000, yet the Islanders with a population of under 3000 run the 2nd best managed conservation zone in the world.
Compromise? What has Argentina got to offer the Islanders that they haven't got already?
What has Argentina got to offer the Islanders that they haven't got already?
Feb 09th, 2017 - 07:23 pm - Link - Report abuse -4...Young Pretty Women...
Not entirely so.., Mr. Voice...
Feb 09th, 2017 - 07:38 pm - Link - Report abuse -3Them male Kelpers are purchasing them Young Pretty Women from the Philippines nowadays... A dozen or so in the last couple of years.., I hear...
Dunno where them female Kelpers do their shopping...
Chile?
Feb 09th, 2017 - 08:18 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Doubt it...
Feb 09th, 2017 - 08:40 pm - Link - Report abuse -2My personal experience with the fair sex tells me that ~99% of them lasses do prefer a partner taller than them...;-)
I hadn't thought of that, and I suppose it rules out Argentina too. They had better try the Netherlands then; that has the tallest men.
Feb 09th, 2017 - 09:13 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Correct about Holland...
Feb 09th, 2017 - 09:16 pm - Link - Report abuse -2Wrong about Argentina...
174cm doesn't seem very tall to me.
Feb 09th, 2017 - 09:28 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Averages can be deceiving..., lad...
Feb 09th, 2017 - 09:38 pm - Link - Report abuse -2177cm ain't impressive either...
Thais are there too Think - hard not to be taller than a Thai :-)
Feb 09th, 2017 - 11:20 pm - Link - Report abuse +3And Chileans, of course.
you know roger think and voice sound like nickolarse
Feb 10th, 2017 - 12:32 am - Link - Report abuse +2@marti not sure of the charges i know on facebook he was accussing others of terrorism
lol.
Feb 10th, 2017 - 11:55 pm - Link - Report abuse -2So now the 9th Circus wants an en blanc poll to consider reversing its own panel.
lol.
Survak
Feb 11th, 2017 - 12:50 am - Link - Report abuse -2That's an amazing talent you have...being able to hear words...
Ding dong, ding dong...did that sound like a bell...?
Rat tat tat tat tat... did that sound like a machine gun...?
I'm enclosing an abundant supply of commas, full stops and a varied selection of CAPITAL letters in no particular order for your future use...
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LOLNICKOLARSE
Feb 11th, 2017 - 04:39 am - Link - Report abuse -2Well someone that tries to be so over the top pretentious and her has never heard of the way someone writes to have a cadence which is described as sounding like
Feb 11th, 2017 - 10:01 am - Link - Report abuse +1So he jumps straight to nicolarse style insults and even realises I knew him from Facebook lol
What a sad person
Oh I don't need your capital's, commas or full stops, my keyboard has its own
Ya got me Sherlock...
Feb 11th, 2017 - 03:06 pm - Link - Report abuse -1No idea where I got the idea of Facebook...
Nothing to do with it being mentioned about half a dozen times in the last week or so...
Ever thought of opening your very own detective agency...?
voice/think
Feb 12th, 2017 - 05:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0You blew it!
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