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Return Malvinas and Gibraltar before talking about Crimea, Russia tells UK

Saturday, February 4th 2017 - 13:06 UTC
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Russia’s ambassador to the UN has suggested that Britain should “clean its conscience” by “giving back” the Falklands/Malvinas and Gibraltar before it passes judgment on the Kremlin’s annexation of Ukraine’s Crimea peninsula. Read full article


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  • Think

    Chuckle..., chuckle...

    Feb 04th, 2017 - 01:32 pm - Link - Report abuse -3
  • golfcronie

    Yes chuckle,chuckle indeed Think, Fancy Russia being so hypocritical HaHa

    Feb 04th, 2017 - 02:11 pm - Link - Report abuse +3
  • DemonTree

    Russia should return Königsberg to Germany before talking about Gibraltar.

    On a more serious note, the US ambassador is still saying that Crimea is part of Ukraine. I wonder if that will last?

    Feb 04th, 2017 - 02:50 pm - Link - Report abuse +3
  • brasherboot

    Argentina should be returned to its indigenous population.

    Argies are thieves!

    Feb 04th, 2017 - 04:04 pm - Link - Report abuse +5
  • Rufus

    I wonder, could the Russian ambassador (or laughing boy) tell us which treaty decided that Gibraltar was being ceded in perpetuity by Spain, or which treaty declared there were no outstanding differences or disputes between Britain and Argentina several years after there was no del facto Argentine presence on the Falklands?

    Then could he find the treaty that Russia signed acting as a guarantor of the sovereignty of all of Ukraine?

    Feb 04th, 2017 - 04:08 pm - Link - Report abuse +5
  • LEPRecon

    You can't give back something that never belonged to them in the 1st place.

    The Falklands have never belonged to Argentina EVER, and Gibraltar was signed over to Britain in perpetuity by the Spanish.

    Either way it is irrelevant...because only the people of these territories have the right to decide their own allegiances. The UK, Spain and Argentina have NO say in the matter.

    As for the Crimea, Russia ceded that to the Ukraine in perpetuity...and then decided to unilaterally invade and steal it. They then set up 'dodgy' elections to try and 'prove' that the people of the Crimea wanted to be Russian...but refused to allow ANY independent observers of this 'referendum' to ensure free and fair casting of votes.

    In other words the Russian Crimea 'referendum' result was gained under duress...they basically held guns to the heads of the people of the Crimea and forced them to 'vote' for Russia. Thus this referendum is null and void.

    So no, Russia, the UK doesn't have to do anything...because the UK is following international law, unlike Russia which has broken international law.

    As for Mr Think...

    It's so sad that you desperately grasp at any 'approval' from any dictator or human rights abuser in your absurd cause.

    It really does show how pathetically weak Argentina and Spain's positions really are...doesn't it?

    Feb 04th, 2017 - 04:09 pm - Link - Report abuse +5
  • EscoSesDoidao

    Hope that finger of his is not loaded.

    Feb 04th, 2017 - 04:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Brit Bob

    The Falklands 'can't be returned' because it has 'never belonged to Argentina.'

    Falklands – Some Relevant International Law:

    And how many times does Spain have to sign Gibraltar away?

    Utrecht; Pact of Cartagena whereby Spain recognized British possessions in the Mediterranean ; 1975 Helsinki Accord which Spain & the UK signed and recognized that 'borders in Europe can only be changed 'by consent'

    Feb 04th, 2017 - 04:43 pm - Link - Report abuse +5
  • Patrick Edgar

    Indeed much better countries and world we would all be if we went about priming always our efforts for doing the right thing, rather than try and “get away” with things and have secret plans about sovereignty and resource exploitation; concerning all Extranational Territories, and not just Britian and Russia's.
    By the way... Argentina was not ever an internationally warring, conquering or exploiting nation beyond the consolidation of its boarders, with the exception of the Malvina's ongoing debt, if we want to consider it as such. Does that bother the British, who purport to be the best, yet go about the business of producing war the world over and ignoring the infant casualty of the planet because of it? Because I can't think of why the argument of some here only truly aim at defaming slandering and character assassinating the Argentine with these stupid accusations regarding our own country's making. It's easy for you now, isn't it? In a world with few undeveloped and savage people left, and in a world that is today with its global communication capacity scrutinizing of your countries actions, to talk as if your country was not the perpetrator of dozens of massacres, many kept quiet, from Australia to Africa, stripper of people's right to self determination, from Palestine to South America (including Falklands) to Hawaii.
    ~The Argentine never embarked on a racist campaign the way your hearts think, “just have something against them because they are XY or Z”. The Indians In the Southern Cone were many many different tribes, not just one or two. They were mainly hostile and murderous against the encroaching Europeans. Britain didn't have a problem taking over where there was no civilization, did it????? It just did, and it did when the civilization was very sophisticated, advanced and ancient too. Indeed the true Argentine character, not the one your propaganda tries to defuse, is one who always looked at the natives as simply an Argentine descended from indians.

    Feb 04th, 2017 - 06:15 pm - Link - Report abuse -7
  • Andy35

    What is this Falklands debt you are talking about Edgar? I don't think that is the right word. “Lust for territory” might be a better term.

    I think the comments on Argentina and the prior indigenous people on here are quite appropriate because it is Argentina that brings up the colonial argument time and time again forgetting they are a colony derived from the Spanish empire. They need to drop this line of attack.

    I think Patrick you need to cut your post lengths down, far too much convoluted language encompassing two many thoughts that flit through your brain as you write.

    Feb 04th, 2017 - 07:41 pm - Link - Report abuse +8
  • gordo1

    Patrick Edgar

    Just which and where are Britain's “Extranational Territories? I believe you will find that there are no such territories ANYWHERE. And you surely are aware that, mainly due to pressure from the native populations, former British territories are pretty well all independent. There are exceptions, of course, such as Gibraltar and the Falkland Islands - in both these cases the local populations have no desires to lose their present status. Let alone become a colony of Argentina!

    And your final statement ”Indeed the true Argentine character, not the one your propaganda tries to defuse, is one who always looked at the natives as simply an Argentine descended from indians.“ is, of course utter ”basura” and totally false. You are wasting your time here!

    Feb 04th, 2017 - 07:43 pm - Link - Report abuse +9
  • golfcronie

    All of you Argentines are descended from EUians, certainly not from indians. Name one indian in your government.

    Feb 04th, 2017 - 07:58 pm - Link - Report abuse +6
  • Andy35

    Another comment for Patrick. It's the Falklands, not Malvinas. You actually spelled Malvinas wrongly, it's Malvinas' and not Malvina's so you might have better luck with it's proper name.

    Feb 04th, 2017 - 08:35 pm - Link - Report abuse +6
  • Don Alberto

    I am happy to learn that Russia is going to return all of the Asian provinces that were acquired by force to the original owners ... no?

    Feb 04th, 2017 - 11:20 pm - Link - Report abuse +3
  • Kanye


    “The Indians In the Southern Cone were many many different tribes, not just one or two. They were mainly hostile and murderous against the encroaching Europeans”

    Europeans “encroaching” - displacing by destroying the tribes' economy and livelihood, threatening their survival and then, outright murder and violence.

    And now Argentines like “Patrick” deny it.

    Feb 04th, 2017 - 11:57 pm - Link - Report abuse +6
  • Briton

    Like all anti brits,
    these people always mention Britain did this, Britain did that,

    one must worry if Britain is the only country on this violent destructive planet,

    Still, lets not worry about what the rest of the world and its history has done,
    just blame the brits..

    Feb 05th, 2017 - 12:34 am - Link - Report abuse +6
  • Kanye

    Briton and “Patrick”

    Surely if the British did something reprehensible 400 200 85 years ago, or did not sufficiently ensure Chagos Islanders feelings were not hurt, then Argentina is well within their rights to trample the inhabitants rights and sovereignty of any territory they covet.

    Patrick's whole premise that Argentina must be allowed to dictate how the Islanders are to be restricted in the defence of the Falklands, or who they can be chums with, is quite demented or “mediocre” as they say over there.

    Feb 05th, 2017 - 01:16 am - Link - Report abuse +6
  • downunder

    “…before it passes judgment on the Kremlin’s annexation of Ukraine’s Crimea peninsula.”

    Russia’s Ambassador to the UN is so bereft of any decent argument that justifies its acknowledged annexation of the Ukraine’s Crimea peninsula that he must lash out at others.

    Britain has a clear and accepted legal case for both Gibraltar and the Falklands while the Russian Ambassador admits that his country has annexed the Crimea. Where is Russia’s legal case for the invasion? He is unable to articulate any so is forced to resort to deflecting arguments and cheap shots. He sounds just like the Malvina Nazis that disgrace the blogs on MP – hardly ambassadorial rhetoric. Sad really.

    Feb 05th, 2017 - 06:53 am - Link - Report abuse +5
  • The Voice

    Yes, we have no Malvinas, we have no Malvinas today!
    We've got Pitcairn, Helena, Gib and Bermuda
    Antarctic, South Georgia we say
    Just like the tom a to
    We got no isles you can go to
    Oh yes, we have no Malvinas, we have no Malvinas today!

    Feb 05th, 2017 - 10:38 am - Link - Report abuse +5
  • Pete Bog

    Patrick Edgar

    “ Argentine with these stupid accusations regarding our own country's making. ”

    So Argentina never massacred large numbers of indigenous peoples whilst conquering their lands?

    The conquest of the desert never happened?

    ”, stripper of people's right to self determination, from Palestine to South America (including Falklands)“

    Exactly when did Britain ever deny self determination to people in the Falklands?

    Cue some 1833 garbage without those events being related correctly................

    ”They were mainly hostile and murderous against the encroaching Europeans”

    That says it all-you are European implant.

    Yet your hypocritical country says the Falkland Islanders are implants from Europe, despite some families having 9 generations of family from the Islands themselves.

    Feb 05th, 2017 - 11:09 am - Link - Report abuse +5
  • Vaca_Muerta_peTroLLium

    The US ambassador to the UN is the wrong “Indian”. Fail on the part of the USA to pretend all the squatters have left NorthAmoland.

    Feb 06th, 2017 - 02:41 pm - Link - Report abuse -6
  • Patrick Edgar

    Kanye LOL!!! I gave you a little coffee crumb of self recognition and rather than honor it in order to start some form of sensibility, you made it into an ice cream party! ...LOL ... Is it any wonder the world is at war with Britain ? The problem is that is global by the way. When countries stop trying to influence other countries and their politicians, and show the planet equal respect among nations... you will no longer have to keep working so laboriously at defaming and slandering Argentina in every situation that comes up. :)
    Still I will continue to answer those questions that seem to represent the trend in British argumentation.
    The subject matter of “ruthless dictator countries displacing the native poor innocent” however is definitely the stupidest lamest argument any country can have against any country in this planet. Specially the British, the Spanish, the Americans, the Portuguese ... the French, ...German, Dutch ... Chinese or other Middle Eastern, South Asian and African countries could ever make in their defense of sensibility. It astounds me every time, but at the same time I notice the opposition developing thicker skin when reminded in rebuttal of the massacres it carried out in modern history around the planet, killing in the end millions so far when adding all provoking factors.

    Feb 06th, 2017 - 08:24 pm - Link - Report abuse -7
  • gordo01

    Patrick Edgar

    “Is it any wonder the world is at war with Britain?” The only fairly recent armed conflict which involved Britain SOLELY(NO UNO, NO NATO, NO EU, NO USA) was due to Argentina making the stupid decision to invade the Falkland Islands in 1982.

    Where do you get your twisted and false information from?

    Feb 06th, 2017 - 09:06 pm - Link - Report abuse +5
  • Troy Tempest

    Our Troll Patrick,

    Surely you have taken the crown as the Stupidest Argie Troll on MP, away from the previous very exceptional holders of the title, Nostrils, Hepatia, and “too little, too late Marcos”

    Feb 07th, 2017 - 12:26 am - Link - Report abuse +4
  • Patrick Edgar

    Who said “solely” ? Besides, you develop and sell weapons for people to kill one another. That right away disqualifies you from being one of “the good guys” in my book

    Feb 07th, 2017 - 04:10 am - Link - Report abuse -6
  • Vaca_Muerta_peTroLLium

    Don't waste your time trying to actual have an honest intellectual exchange with Anglos, they are just not capable of that level of rational thought, with rare exceptions (Demon Tree, sometimes Elaine, Gordo, Captain Poppy, and a couple of others that escape me). But on the whole, 95% or so, Anglos really do believe their sh!t smells like roses and their farts taste like cinnamon, and everyone elses' smells like crap and taste like poop.

    I tried reasosing with them 5 years ago, it lead nowhere except to make me see the light about the Foreign Fiend.

    Just look at the utter levels of delusion here: you had the British War secretary call the Russian carrier “the ship of Shame”, because it was carrying out bombing missions in Syria.

    Now do you recall this same fool calling US carriers “ships of Shame” for carrying out strikes in the EXACT SAME COUNTRY???? Or how about when they were bombing away at Baghdad and killing civilians left and right because of their awful targeting systems just a few years ago? Anyone remember hearing that phrase then?

    Of course not. I guess because those carriers performing those bombings in a WAR OF AGGRESSION somehow was not shameful. In the warped mind of the Anglo, their worldview is always right and everyone else's always wrong. That leads to the result that any actions they take are automatically justified or in fact, do not NEED to be justified, since they are by nature “right”. That's how dangerous, pathetic, and laughable Anglo morals are.

    Save yourself typing calories and say what I say in these situations:

    ANGLOS will be ANGLOS.

    Feb 07th, 2017 - 06:16 am - Link - Report abuse -6
  • DemonTree

    Who are the 'good guys' in your view?

    Feb 07th, 2017 - 08:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • downunder

    Mr Petroleum head

    “….. sh!t smells like roses and their farts taste like cinnamon, and everyone elses' smells like crap and taste like poop.”

    You do speak with great knowledge and conviction on this subject, you are indeed somewhat of an expert on the topic. Is that why it informs all your posts?

    Feb 07th, 2017 - 10:24 am - Link - Report abuse +2
  • Vaca_Muerta_peTroLLium

    Demon Tree: The only good guys are those in your own tribe. In my case, Argentines.

    As for farts and poop, how can I be an expert. I'm not the one named downunder. :)

    Feb 07th, 2017 - 02:20 pm - Link - Report abuse -2
  • Voice

    What does Poop taste like...?

    Feb 07th, 2017 - 05:03 pm - Link - Report abuse -2
  • :o))

    REF: “the US position, 'CALLING' for an immediate end to the Russian occupation of Crimea. Crimea is part of Ukraine”:
    - WORDS: 100%
    - ACTION: 0%

    Feb 07th, 2017 - 06:20 pm - Link - Report abuse +2
  • DemonTree

    I didn't ask you, but that's crazy. You think the military junta were good guys because they are from Argentina? And, say, Gandhi and Nelson Mandela are bad guys because they are not?

    How stupid.

    Feb 07th, 2017 - 08:15 pm - Link - Report abuse +4
  • Kanye

    Both the Trolls are talking about the taste of poop - very juvenile.
    Moderator, time to shut down this thread.

    Feb 07th, 2017 - 11:23 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Voice

    Define Troll....would that be someone with multiple accounts...
    ...then shut yourself down are fooling no one...
    Or do we have two boring Canadians with no sense of humour and an affinity for keeping British arses clean...?

    Feb 08th, 2017 - 12:38 am - Link - Report abuse -4
  • Hepatia

    England will return the Malvinas within 25 years.

    Feb 08th, 2017 - 04:46 am - Link - Report abuse -5
  • Patrick Edgar

    As long as Macri is open and directly expresses truly what the Argentine want or will accept, and he does not do any “behind closed doors” agreements, or “implied or secret agreements or ”assumptions“ behind the backs of the Argentine ... However, after such an overture and unexpected boldness in turn, I imagine there may even by some ”honorable reciprocity” going on here. I think this is great for Britain ! Mrs May changed the course. There is now a broad and flat wide field before which to face each other and say how we each view the matter and discuss it publicly. It does the People good to have to instruct themselves in order to catch up and get what is happening out there where the big players left their presence, and their mark.

    Feb 08th, 2017 - 05:29 am - Link - Report abuse -4
  • imoyaro

    Speaking of Tribes, the “Troll” aka Chopper, says that he is going on vacation. As he claims to be from Mendoza, what this consists of is this. The Mendoza area is an area supposedly inhabited by Ucumars, the Argentine version of “Bigfoot.” Chopper will camp out for a week or two. While there he will go to hiking trails, take off his oversize shoes, and tramp around the trails. When touristas come along, he will shake the nearby brush and make grunting noises, causing the touristas to flee with interesting accounts of the “encounter.” All this is done with the collusion of his probation officers, not to mention the provincial Tourism Department. I do hope this clarifies the reality of the situation...

    Feb 09th, 2017 - 06:44 am - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Think

    Mr. Patrick Edgar...

    Some of us do feebly try to practice the classic form of cynicism...
    I view Mr. Macri and Ms. May as full practitioners of its modern understanding...
    No broad, flat wide fields before them... No search for Virtue... Just money, power and fame...

    Feb 09th, 2017 - 11:33 am - Link - Report abuse -3

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