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Malvinas sovereignty: UK officials and Parliament members were willing to listen to Argentina's claim
British officials and members of Parliament were “more understanding and willing to listen to Argentina's claim over the Malvinas Islands” according to congress member Margarita Stolbizer who recently visited London and Scotland as part of a delegation of Argentine lawmakers. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesWhat a load of bollocks, The UK probably said that ” we will not talk or negociate anything to do with the FALKLANDS unless they ( the FALKLANDERS ) are present.
Feb 07th, 2017 - 09:16 am - Link - Report abuse +5Easily resolved by writing a letter to ones MP to seek clarification on what exactly was discussed. I have done this before and will do it again. In my opinion these people will lie at every opportunity. In the forth coming IRC task to ID the dead in the Darwin cemetery, it is already being muted that this is the first step in regaining the islands.
Feb 07th, 2017 - 09:22 am - Link - Report abuse +4Claim?
Feb 07th, 2017 - 10:30 am - Link - Report abuse +3Funny thing to say when Argentina has never legally owned the Falklands. So how can they 'be claimed' ?
Falklands- Never Belonged to Argentina:-
https://www.academia.edu/31111843/Falklands_Never_Belonged_to_Argentina
Listening politely to someone does not imply any sort of agreement with what they are saying. But then I guess she was desperate to say something to the Argentine press to compete with Pinedo's drivvle.
Feb 07th, 2017 - 10:56 am - Link - Report abuse +4Surprised at the level of interest in corruption ? Really ??
In the UK it is called diplomacy, you look them in the eye, smile, nod where appropriate and make your guests feel welcome.
Feb 07th, 2017 - 11:07 am - Link - Report abuse +5You may wish to add for example, 'yes, we understand you have an historic claim' or 'I am sure you feel strongly about the Islands belonging to Argentina'....
You see, you take nothing and give nothing but feigned politeness and understanding, you keep your guests happy, yet you have said nothing. That is diplomacy.
I think this type of reporting is very damaging. It will give them so much hope and then when the true stance of 'nada' comes forth from HMG it will only dash their hopes to smithereens again....so so cruel! What a load of utter tosh....
Feb 07th, 2017 - 12:02 pm - Link - Report abuse +5Sounds like - Wishful thinking
Feb 07th, 2017 - 12:09 pm - Link - Report abuse +5The small part of the chat on the phony claim was pre-arranged for political appearances: Argentina agreed to pretend to talk and the UK agreed to pretend to listen. That lets the argie media go nuts while the monkeys thump their chests, all the while accomplishing the usual nothing.
Feb 07th, 2017 - 12:30 pm - Link - Report abuse +6“but admitted she was also surprised at the importance that the British gave to combating corruption.”
Feb 07th, 2017 - 12:46 pm - Link - Report abuse +4Doesn't she read the news? But I'm glad they are stressing the importance of this, and also finally looking at how richer countries like Britain can help by making it harder to launder and hide the profits of corruption.
Time to get on the road you Anglo tossers, my annual vacation has once again arrived!
Feb 07th, 2017 - 02:30 pm - Link - Report abuse -8You have about two weeks to spout your lies, hatred, racism, ignorance, vitriol, jingoism, prejudice, phobias, half-truths, and angloisms unfettered.
But don't worry, I will be back promptly and refreshed for yet another year of adventures and of putting you all back into your high chairs, leashing you back into your dens, and making you scurry back into your murine interstices.
Gooyaw!
Have a good holiday, Trollboy. You obviously need one...!
Feb 07th, 2017 - 02:51 pm - Link - Report abuse +5Mr. DemonTree...
Feb 07th, 2017 - 03:21 pm - Link - Report abuse -6“”Doesn't she read the news?“”..........., you say about Mme Margarita Stolbizer..., based only on a bad, tendentious translation from a dubious, tendentious news source...
Hereby, for your kind info..., the original article...:
http://www.telam.com.ar/notas/201702/178981-stolbizer-predisposicion-britanicos-soberania-malvinas.html
I say...:
I would dare to say that it is you..., the one that “doesn't properly read the news”...
And your ending paragraph.........., ohhh boy !!!..:
“” I'm glad they are stressing the importance of this, and also finally looking at how richer countries like Britain can help by making it harder to launder and hide the profits of corruption.“”...
It's just too brainhaughtilywashed good to comment...!!!
You don't think Britain and other countries have been making it entirely too easy to do this, and were ignoring the issue until now?
Feb 07th, 2017 - 03:40 pm - Link - Report abuse +5Until now...?
Feb 07th, 2017 - 03:59 pm - Link - Report abuse -3Has Albion closed their tax havens around the world...?
Has Albion impied any intention of closing their tax havens around the world...?
Dead Cow
Feb 07th, 2017 - 04:56 pm - Link - Report abuse +7Enjoy your vacation...we will !
We have about two weeks free of your lies, hatred, racism, ignorance, vitriol, jingoism, prejudice, phobias, half-truths, and self -deluded rants. Oh bliss !!!
Two days of the vacation is on the Bus...isn't it...?
Feb 07th, 2017 - 05:05 pm - Link - Report abuse -2What's with these Argies ? besides Stolbizer and Malcorra having similarly ugly mugs, do they also share the same obtuseness in 'hearing' what was never said ?
Feb 07th, 2017 - 05:29 pm - Link - Report abuse +5@Think
Feb 07th, 2017 - 05:48 pm - Link - Report abuse +5Cameron passed a law to make businesses investing in Britain more transparent, and was encouraging other countries to do the same. He was also supposed to pressure the BOTs to sign up to this. But some refused point blank and others made excuses. Corbyn wanted to put them under direct rule in order to force them to but that is really the nuclear option.
Anyway, that was before the referendum and it's been 24 hour Brexit ever since. But if the MPs are bringing it up now then at least the policy hasn't been completely forgotten.
Mr. DemonTree...
Feb 07th, 2017 - 06:13 pm - Link - Report abuse -5Any normally informed person in the world knows that...
- What I found provocatively brainhaughtilywashed in your previous comment was that you seem to choose to believe the easy and haughty Anglo version of reality....
That political and financial figures from “foreign” Countries are some kind of uninformed Orang-Utans just extracted from Borneo's jungle...and not the elitist final product of an Ivy League of International educational and financial institutions...
@Think
Feb 07th, 2017 - 07:08 pm - Link - Report abuse +3Uninformed Orangutans straight from the jungle? Hmmm, a certain political figure from one foreign country does spring to mind...
But do you really think I believe that, or is it more likely that I just phrased my comment badly?
I Think you based your above comment on some easily digestible disinformation...
Feb 07th, 2017 - 07:21 pm - Link - Report abuse -4A common ailment in this post-truth era...
Most of the time..., you are ok..
I guess I'm not 'normally informed' then. Do you mean this article or something else?
Feb 07th, 2017 - 07:48 pm - Link - Report abuse +3And what could the government do to tackle corruption in Argentina?
I repeat...:
Feb 07th, 2017 - 08:04 pm - Link - Report abuse -4I Think you based your above comment...: “”Doesn't she read the news?“”....
... on some easily digestible disinformation served to you through a bad, tendentious translation by a dubious, tendentious news source...
I knew the translations here were bad (twitted, anyone?), but I didn't think they were actually biased. Got any other examples?
Feb 07th, 2017 - 08:55 pm - Link - Report abuse +4But I see that Stolbizer has been spending her time accusing CFK of various corruption schemes, so she doesn't have any reason to be surprised; in fact she should be an expert on corruption by now.
“Got any other examples?”... You ask...
Feb 07th, 2017 - 09:30 pm - Link - Report abuse -4Plenty..., I say...:
One of the best ones was a MercoPress “translated verbatim transcription in quotation marks” by Cmdr. Fidel Castro about the Malvinas Islands...
Not only was it baaaaaaaaaad...
They even putted the “F” word in in his mouth a dozen of times...
You should have seen all those “aware and awake” Anglo Turnip commentators rejoicing at the “Fact” that good ol' Fidel was using the “F” world to refer to the Malvinas Islands...
Never got any feedback of any of them AngloTurnips about my link to the original Spanish transcription of that speech..., though...
;-)
Think, haven't you got the message? - Whatever you say is of no consequence. In that respect its in the same category as Nostril's rantings - entertainment. ;-)
Feb 07th, 2017 - 10:48 pm - Link - Report abuse +4Unreal ! Never saw that coming ! Good for Britain, it is about $%^& time !!!!!
Feb 08th, 2017 - 03:15 am - Link - Report abuse -5England will return the Malvinas within 25 years.
Feb 08th, 2017 - 04:46 am - Link - Report abuse -4“Malvinas sovereignty: UK officials and Parliament members were willing to listen to Argentina's claim”
Feb 08th, 2017 - 05:39 am - Link - Report abuse +5They are VERY polite, the British! They listened and were quietly amused at the bullshit! Meanwhile the Argentine politicians were becoming increasingly more deluded!
lay off the cholesterol Gordo, it causes brain clots! This is momentous! If it is what I think it is, I am utmost impressed with Ms May . There is a single story here, different to Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie's Single Story, which is what both Britain and Argentina were doing up until now. You should be elated ! The ball is in Macri' Court now ... and that is what worries me. For all we know our two governments could have accorded the resulting aim already, one that hides what otherwise might not be accepted by whoever, though effectively quashing the spontaneous creative will of the People and it's own iniciative. But that's just negative speculation ! Besides I maybe looking right past Britain's own sense of accountability in leading the Argentine and the Islanders to become enemies which would be an astoundingly honorable turn around policy. One which makes it clear that Britain intends to stay good friends with Argentina, so get with the program boys! . Let's just hope we haven't set of too far Argentina's gaining reaction momentum, which is a real possibility. The only thing that could get the Argentine thinking “amicably” of Britain again would be the removal of Mt Pleasant with the explicit purpose being friendship with Argentina. An apology would not be out of place either, now that would truly be very sophisticated, and could only be matched by an apology by the Argentine Government on behalf of those in the past it could not stop, as they were the armed military institution of Galtieri's Junta.
Feb 08th, 2017 - 07:20 am - Link - Report abuse -6@PE
Feb 08th, 2017 - 08:20 am - Link - Report abuse +3You shouldn't get your hopes so high. Both governments want better business links so are prepared to try and work together, but that doesn't mean anything will really change wrt the Falklands. And Macri has been trying to buy new fighter jets and build the military back up, so I don't see Mount Pleasant going anywhere in the near future.
Not to mention that if CFK gets back in we'll all be back to square one.
@Think
I read that as the real f-word at first which made no sense! Seems kind of foolish to believe that from a translation though. When newspapers in Argentina quote the UK government or the FIG talking about it, what do they write?
Oh Mr Edgar, you are deluded. 'An apology would not be out of place'.........Playing the victim again I see,
Feb 08th, 2017 - 10:15 am - Link - Report abuse +3CFK spent her whole tenure promoting the Malvinas Myth, threatening, insulting and trying to deny the Falklands Islanders their right to self determination, and you think the UK should apologise....get with it lad, grow up and stop playing the victim.
With regard to the rest of your post, please refer to my earlier post regarding 'Diplomacy'.
@ patricio ”...clear that Britain intends to stay good friends with Argentina...
Feb 08th, 2017 - 12:42 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Argentina has no friends, patricio.
Now, back to the manicomio .
P.E
Feb 08th, 2017 - 02:38 pm - Link - Report abuse +1“ An apology would not be out of place either,”
For what ????????
Ho sempre avuto una grande ammirazione per gli italiani, ma dopo aver letto i contributi di Patrick Edgar forse dovrò cambiare le mie idee. Che stupido, lui è!
Feb 08th, 2017 - 07:07 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Patrick Edgar
Feb 09th, 2017 - 08:06 pm - Link - Report abuse +1“This is momentous! If it is what I think it is, I am utmost impressed with Ms May ”
You can get excited if the British MPs followed up listening to the Argentine claim, by agreeing with it.
Listening to what the Argentine delegation claims, does not imply acceptance.
“past Britain's own sense of accountability in leading the Argentine and the Islanders to become enemies ”
And CFK was not accountable for causing the hatred?
How short is your memory?
“An apology would not be out of place either,”
What for?
Should the Islanders apologise for exercising the right granted under the United Nations Charter to express self determination?
Should British apologise for CFK and her corruption raddled mafia for stirring up hatred?
Should Britain apologise for sending Prince William to the Falklands(2012) in a yellow, unarmed air/sea rescue helicopter, because Timmerman claimed that was an act of aggression?
Should the Islanders apologise to Argentina for the unmarked minefields the Argentines left after 1982.
Should the Islanders apologise to Argentina, because the climate is too cold for Argentines to want to move there?
Pray, do inform us of what you are talking about.
“ and could only be matched by an apology by the Argentine Government on behalf of those in the past it could not stop”
The Argentines started the 1982 war, therefore an apology is needed from Argentina.
If the Argentines threw Galteiri out of power after the war, they could have risen up and done it before the war. The reason they didn't before is that most Argentine people were complicit with and GUILTY of causing the Falklands war.
Just like WW2 when Argentina supported the Fascists, right up to the end of WW2 when they declared war against Germany .
Didn't stop your country harbouring Nazi scum like Mengele after WW2 though did it?
Perhaps Britain should apologise for not attacking the Argentine Navy in 1982, in March to prevent the war happening?
Absurd @Demon Tree. Do you see Argentina as “an enemy of Britain”? One of the things for example that is most noticeable in these groups, when you look at its argumentative situation objectively, is that while the Argentine are from a generation that grew up learning from older generations also raised learning generally or commonly knows facts about Britain and its History. While the British here come from generations who knew nothing about Argentina and had to build a sense of what the country was. That sense was built only now, after the start of the internet Falkland Islands debate. This means the British need to realize they are wrong about Argentina three times more often, and know three times less than what Argentinians, those who cared to argue in these groups, do. Mt Pleasant is a destructive insult to the historical relationship itself between Argentina and Britain. But you would have to come from a well educated echelon of society, rather than a military background for example, and versed in British Argentine joint history, to know that.
Feb 09th, 2017 - 11:20 pm - Link - Report abuse -1@ Pete bog
The Kirchners merely reacted where any normal country leader would have a some point reacted and said “enough is enough”. There was no reason for Mt Pleasant to even be built there. Serious military professionals would have to agree that the option to not build a base for the Falklands, rather first see what course Argentina continued on, in the case of Argentina specifically, was very much a good viable alternative. Indeed Argentina later after the Junta, continued with its traditional policy about the islands, disarmed and dismantled its military more than ever before in its history, yet Britain continue to run Mt Pleasant going on 35 years now, never being able to say it is there for any other reason, explicitly idicating year after year by its own personnel, it is there because of Argentina. Yet Argentina has not had so much as a sling shot pointed at the islands ever. That my friend in international polit
Patricio, Argentina has no friends. So you can stop mumbling about some wondrous friendly relationship between the UK and Argentina.
Feb 10th, 2017 - 12:06 am - Link - Report abuse +3patricio: “Yet Argentina has not had so much as a sling shot pointed at the islands ever. ”
Patricio, you simply must lay off the drugs. You write such nonsense.
Patrick Edgar
Feb 10th, 2017 - 09:22 am - Link - Report abuse +3“ Yet Argentina has not had so much as a sling shot pointed at the islands ever.”
Where were you in 1982 ? You remind me of Holocaust deniers.
Patrick Edgar
Feb 10th, 2017 - 12:18 pm - Link - Report abuse +1“The Kirchners merely reacted where any normal country leader would have a some point reacted and said “enough is enough”.
Is it normal to say that a Prince flying a bright yellow unarmed helicopter is a military threat to Argentina?
Did the Prince attack Argentina in his unarmed helicopter as predicted by CFK, or is it just possible he was there to perform the task of rescuing people?
”There was no reason for Mt Pleasant to even be built there”
How would your war veterans get to visit the cemetery without MPA?
MPA means the Islanders can have an international airport that allows the rest of the world outside (and including) the South Atlantic to communicate with them so they are not held to ransom by Argentine airlines as in 1970s/early 1980s.
If you see MPA as a military threat to Argentina rather than a means of defending the Islands from your Imperialist ambitions, how many Tornado air raids have the RAF launched against Argentina since 1986?
How many Argentine Navy ships have been attacked from MPA since 1986?
”never being able to say it (MPA)is there for any other reason“
Try international airport. And a regional one. Your war veterans could not fly to the Falklands if MPA was not there.
And if the Skylon ever visits after it is built, a spaceport?
However you want to return to the days where Argentina sent an ancient flying boat to provide the islands with air communications. Right?
”Yet Argentina has not had so much as a sling shot pointed at the islands ever.”
Except 1982. And although not directly at the islands as such, you forget that the Argentine Navy pre 1982 fired on unarmed fishing vessels and British research vessels around the Islands
Your country is not so good when the other side fires back though, is it?
If the military at MPA were removed, Argentina would attack unarmed fishing boats around the and attack the Falkland Islands.
So MPA stays.
Do you see Argentina as “an enemy of Britain”?
Feb 10th, 2017 - 02:09 pm - Link - Report abuse +1But Argentina see Britain as an enemy of Argentina,
these argies are just thieves and vandals just like their past relatives...lol
@PE
Feb 10th, 2017 - 02:11 pm - Link - Report abuse +2It's true we don't learn much if anything about Argentina in Britain, but after seeing what various Argentine posters apparently learned in school, I'm not so sure that is a bad thing. I doubt our schools would be any less partisan in teaching the history, so maybe it is better to start out knowing nothing.
As for the base, it was built immediately after the war, which was certainly a good enough reason to think it necessary. And if Britain had made more of a show of military force beforehand, the Junta would probably not have decided to invade and a lot of people would not have died.
I prefer the approach of taking precautions even if it turns out they weren't needed. The options for Britain now are to maintain the base, or trust Argentina absolutely, since we no longer have a military capable of retaking the islands. I do think Argentina would be very unlikely to use force again in the immediate future, but fact it would be very difficult to do probably contributes to that attitude.
It is better to be ready and not needed, rather than unready and surprised.
Feb 10th, 2017 - 02:14 pm - Link - Report abuse +1When dealing with these delinquent children you have to be ready,
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