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Pope Francis defends indigenous peoples' rights to their ancestral lands
Pope Francis insisted that indigenous groups must give prior consent to any economic activity affecting their ancestral lands, a view that conflict with the Trump administration, which is pushing to build a US$3.8bn oil pipeline over opposition from American Indians. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesWell, as I have explained before, then it's time all citizens of ALL nations in the Americas from Canada to Chile and Uruguay begin preparations to VACATE this continent.
Feb 25th, 2017 - 11:58 am - Link - Report abuse -4Argentines are the only non-squatters since we never acknowledged the indians.
Pack your bags, everyone.
Rubbish! I suppose you are too poor to have ever seen a 100 Peso note. We want our lands back. Go home to Italy!
Feb 25th, 2017 - 12:03 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Pope Francis defends indigenous peoples' rights to their ancestral lands,
Feb 25th, 2017 - 12:47 pm - Link - Report abuse +7Does this now mean that all you usurpers from argie land and the others, should now pack your bags and leave them to their own lands that you lot stole from them. ?
Reference the Falklands - Pope Francis, the first Latin American pontiff, said in 2012 when he was archbishop of Buenos Aires that Britain had “usurped” the disputed islands from Argentina. In 2011, he said the islands were “ours,” a view most Argentinians share.
Feb 25th, 2017 - 04:49 pm - Link - Report abuse +4He's wrong of course.
Argentina's Illegitimate Sovereignty Claims:
https://www.academia.edu/27599163/Argentinas_Illegitimate_Sovereignty_Claims_V2
He also trusted that felt “used” by some of his countrymen, who have visited him on numerous occasions in the Vatican since he was elected Pope in March 2013. Among them were numerous politicians, including the current President, Mauricio Macri, and its predecessor, Cristina Kirchner. (Cadena 3 22.1.17)
Yep.
The Voice aka Lautaro...
Feb 25th, 2017 - 06:03 pm - Link - Report abuse -5What lands are you referring to...?
You live in England...
...and go back home to Italy...?
If anyone does a simple back search on that ID they will find you have also used it to play an Italian living in Argentina...
Give it a rest....
“Argentines are the only non-squatters since we never acknowledged the indians.”
Feb 25th, 2017 - 06:36 pm - Link - Report abuse +6So there were no indigenous peoples in what is now Argentina ?
How convenient for you. You also expect the descendants of the Mayans, Aztecs, Toltecs Incas, Jivaros etc to pack up and leave?
To where do the Inuit people leave for, or the Lakota,Navajo,Salish and Cheyenne ?
Well, you have explained the Argentine psyche. It makes them the scum of the Earth with you at the top of the list as their chief spokesman
Voice, we all wish you would go home too. ;-)
Feb 25th, 2017 - 07:49 pm - Link - Report abuse +3AustrOllOpithecus
Feb 25th, 2017 - 08:33 pm - Link - Report abuse +3Well, as I have explained before, then it's time all citizens of ALL nations in the Americas from Canada to Chile and Uruguay begin preparations to VACATE this continent.
No doubt you will all try and come here,lol
“Pope Francis defends indigenous peoples' rights to their ancestral lands”
Feb 26th, 2017 - 04:15 am - Link - Report abuse +3Presumably that means that the Pope defends to rights of the indigenous peoples of the Falkland Islands to their ancestral Islands.
It is reported in the press in UK Sunday 26th February that the ARGENTINE Pope has also decided that a pedophile priest should not leave the priesthood but should continue subject to living a “life of prayer”. What a plonker!
Feb 26th, 2017 - 02:57 pm - Link - Report abuse +4He will need more than a prayer, if the people get hold of him..
Feb 26th, 2017 - 07:42 pm - Link - Report abuse +4Brit bobs posts at academia are funny, they are two page pamphlets that seem written by an elementary student with nationalist delusions.
Feb 26th, 2017 - 09:15 pm - Link - Report abuse -6Any serious article would have ample sources and logical arguments, based on justice and lawful thinking, as well as scientific method, all of the above lacking by our Brit Bobo.
You second class brits need to understand that latín culture is not bigot like yours, so our ancestors mixed racially with the aboriginal populace. Hence why the usual latin american is the mulato, not white but not black either.
Hence we have no aboriginal populace, since we did not confine aboriginals in ghetto reservations like the anglos love to do.
Any serious article would have ample sources and logical arguments, based on justice and lawful thinking
Feb 26th, 2017 - 11:05 pm - Link - Report abuse +2So where is yours over the Falkland's then.??
Luke and Chopper are apparently liars cut from the same cloth...
Feb 27th, 2017 - 12:11 am - Link - Report abuse +3“Illiteracy, poverty, and hunger are the causes of a disease that affects a great part of the Qom people. Malnutrition, with its irreversible consequences, infant mortality, lack of hope, lack of belief, and marginality are its direct effects. These are the main symptoms of tuberculosis, history’s largest pandemic, of which social and institutional violence are its most prominent signs. Its full name is social injustice.”
You really are trash.
Where is the proof that the Qom are purebreed aboriginals? There are not any purebreed aboriginals not even in bolivia, every bolivian has at least one spanish ancestor.
Feb 27th, 2017 - 01:03 am - Link - Report abuse -6These brits, always bashing with the aboriginals without any historical reliable sources. I have a book on Argentinas philogeny, with statistics and historical récords proving the racial mixture.
The rest is Bulls... Invented by the brits who support the “mapuches” with your funds, ironically enough the leader of the mapuche movement is a white man, with italian descent.
Luke, yes, he is the only one with a conscience. You really should scrap those 100 Peso notes. They can be used as evidence of genocide.
Feb 27th, 2017 - 09:54 am - Link - Report abuse +2“I have a book on Argentinas philogeny, with statistics and historical récords”
Feb 27th, 2017 - 10:38 am - Link - Report abuse +2Well Argentina is certainly know for it's accuracy in its statistics !!!!!!!
“we have no aboriginal populace” So the War in the Desert was really a big “love in” ?
Wiki.
Rosas's campaign resulted in a brief period of peace with indigenous communities and brought an end to the malones, until he was ousted at the Battle of Caseros.[10] Despite having been at war with the Argentine forces since 1821, the “enemies” led counter-attacks during the Battle of Caseros. They continued to lose control of their territories, however, and gradually retreated to the south. The final defeat of the “enemies” came during the Conquest of the Desert, led by Julio Argentino Roca.
These peoples were half breeds ?
There are none so blind as those that don't wish to see !
Old cuckold and cheater.
Feb 28th, 2017 - 03:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Conquest of America for Spain had the spiritual endorsement and legal framework of the Pope and the Catholic Church.
Let the Pope begin by giving the example and share the lands (in Latin America) that are still possession of the Catholic Church... not to mention the Bolivian Catholic Church that refused to return the land where is located the Church of Nuestra Seniora de Copacavana (it was the place where an original Inca temple was).
Clyde, pal, set your facts straight, the mapuches, the ones that did the malones, were not argentinian aboriginals, but invaders from south chile, they were known as the Araucanos.
Feb 28th, 2017 - 03:22 pm - Link - Report abuse -3Their name comes from the zone they invaded from, the Araucania wich is on Chile!
These beautiful chilean indians you brits defend, commited genocide with the tehuelches and the patagones (from where the name Patagonia comes), and then proceeded to ransack Argentina permanently, kidnapping women and children as sex slaves, not to mention slaughter of innocents.
President Alsina attempted to build a very expensive trench to end their raiding, wich costed a fortune and never stopped the attacks. Until the great Roca decided to do the right thing and managed to give peace after centuries of constant araucanian aggression.
I hope the history lesson is not wasted on you brits
Luke still genocide in my book
Feb 28th, 2017 - 05:13 pm - Link - Report abuse +1@LukeDig
Feb 28th, 2017 - 06:30 pm - Link - Report abuse +4“the mapuches,” “were not argentinian aboriginals, but invaders from south chile,”
Still a dammed site more local to that region than Southern Italy.
Not to mention that “Chile” and “Argentina” never existed in their world, these lines on the map were drawn by the Indian Murdering, Creole Planter Bastards, who invaded S. America from Europe.
That would be you.
“Our self-respect as a virile people obliges us to put down as soon as possible, by reason or by force, this handful of savages who destroy our wealth and prevent us from definitely occupying, in the name of law, progress and our own security, the richest and most fertile lands of the Republic.”
— Julio Argentino Roca.
The difference between modern Europeans here and those of your Colonial lineage, is that at least we are trying not to repeat the past tragedies, which you seem to glory in.
Glorying in the slaughter of a Stone Age people who were completely defenceless against guns, steel and European diseases.
What a real hard fight that must have been, how brave of your ancesters.
Then when it’s you lot getting the kicking, you whinge like Girlies.
Because the brits ocuppied the american shores with stuffed bears and kisses, and the indians were not killed by the million before their independence. Because slave trade was not the main business of the anglo portuguese alliance.
Feb 28th, 2017 - 06:51 pm - Link - Report abuse -3Really chaps, you brits are like the guy who has sh*t his pants and has the arrogance to tell others they smell.
By the way, unlike you anglos, the women and children were spared in the conquista del desierto. Anglos killed everything in their path in NA
LD
Feb 28th, 2017 - 09:01 pm - Link - Report abuse +3“the women and children were spared in the conquista del desierto”
Another of the great Argie myths ?
Get YOUR facts straight. “ the great Roca decided to do the right thing” !
If Anglos-a stupid expression- wiped out native populations in N.America-there are still a few left,- it was genocide.
Argentinian genocide is “the right thing” ? That tells us everything about YOUR mindset
Historian Jens Andermann has noted that contemporary sources on the campaign indicate that the Conquest was intended by the Argentine government to exterminate the indigenous tribes, an example of genocide.[12] First-hand accounts stated that Argentine troops killed prisoners and committed “mass executions”.[12] The 15,000 Indians taken captive “became servants or prisoners and were prevented from having children.”[1][2]
Whatever the reason, these were indigenous peoples of the S.American continent trying to shift a group of Spanish/Italian squatters who were taking over the whole of the land which is now ARGENTINA.
By the way, I'm not your pal.
Pugol H
You beat me to it.
#LukeDig
Feb 28th, 2017 - 10:56 pm - Link - Report abuse +4No, Latin culture is not bigoted like ours; it's bigoted in a different way. Sure the Spanish colonisers mixed with the natives, but they treated people with mixed ancestry as inferior to those of Spanish ancestry, and pure natives even worse. And nowadays it is still the native people who have the worst health, education etc services, and the higher up you go in politics or business or wherever, the whiter the people are.
And how very convenient to believe there are no natives left, that way you have no need to feel guilty and no responsibility towards them. You can forget that your country was created by the colonisers and enlarged by conquest, and continue viewing yourself as a victim.
Point is, these people are integrated to society, we even had a muslim president. Of course there were excesses in the past, but these pale in comparison to british crimes against humanity both past and present under Nato.
Mar 01st, 2017 - 12:12 am - Link - Report abuse -2Brits keep bashing with the aboriginals as if they never did the same a thousandfold in NA and around the world.
The spanish, also bashed on the same grounds, had derecho de indias or derecho indiano, wich granted aboriginals many rights, we had a Bartolomé de las Casas way before anglos, and the spanish kings even considered and attempted to abandon the colonies because of religious reasons (no right to other people's lands). Thankfully they never did, but it is a show of how latín culture was, is and will be far more humane than anglosaxon culture
You do talk “ bollocks ” Luke
Mar 01st, 2017 - 12:45 pm - Link - Report abuse +2@LukeDig
Mar 03rd, 2017 - 05:38 pm - Link - Report abuse +1All the bashing on both sides is pretty pointless, we would be far better off worrying about what our own countries are doing today than digging up things from the past to attack each other.
And what does having a not-actually-Muslim president prove? The US recently had a black president and still has problems with racism. Supposing you are right and things really are better in Argentina, that doesn't mean there are no problems at all. Nearly every country can easily find someone worse to point to, it proves nothing.
Same as it is foolish to blame every problem in Latin America on Britain or the US, ignoring that you have the power to make your own decisions and mistakes.
Well said, Demon Tree, he is just a cynical Argie teenager. As an afterthought ” how many black or Asian members of congress are there in the Argentine government?
Mar 03rd, 2017 - 08:23 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Golfie, we do not have that much asians or blacks like for one of them being in the congress, they are too few, and do not give a darn about politics.
Mar 04th, 2017 - 05:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0As for Mr. Tree, you are right, however, it´s the brits favorite argument to talk about aboriginals and blacks regarding argentina... It´s a defense I can hardly understand considering the horrid past and present in humanitarian matters in the UK...
@LukeDig
Mar 06th, 2017 - 06:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Does that mean you don't have any black or Asian members of Congress? What about native ones?
And I don't know why that argument is so popular, but maybe it's because some of the Argentine posters here like to claim the moral high ground. You yourself seem pretty keen to blame everything on Britain, and you still haven't found me any evidence that Britain masterminded the Paraguayan War.
Also, what do you mean by the horrid present in humanitarian matters in the UK?
DT
Mar 06th, 2017 - 10:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0present in humanitarian matters in the UK...
I would also like to know. His head is firmly stuck up his ..........
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